Why NOTHING should be free

[P@triot]

Children, elderly, vets, mentally ill and more - rw's don't care. The most you'll hear is that "they shouldn't have had the kid in the first place" or other idiotic and cold-blooded crap.

They won't be happy until we have soup kitchens and bread lines.

Which is why conservatives give exponentially more to charity than liberals. Most conservatives tithe 10% of their salary to their church - and that's just the start of their charitable contributions. While your average liberal doesn't even acknowledge the existence of God, much less give any money to any cause.

Furthermore, the churches are out there doing amazing work in the community, while asshole liberals like you just attack them for feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, and providing necessities to those in need. Communism over actual solutions, right comrade?

 

[GoneBezerk]

Hick....the example showed socialist ideas of giving away free stuff doesn't work.

The bar became the govt when they were handing out free goodies to the crowd. Nobody was forced to buy a beer to be in the bar, so it isn't a capitalist model.

I witnessed socialism on display in Germany when a local bar had "American Buffett" night on Thursday nights to draw in crowds to pay for beer, watch soccer and eat FREE American food.

The food was chicken wings, jalapeno poppers, etc and......CHEESEBURGERS. The cheeseburger plate was empty when I went through the line so I headed back a second time once they brought up about 20 cheeseburgers......well, about 8 people stole 20 cheeseburgers before we could get to the plate.

You see since they were FREE and the best food in the place, people took 2-3 of them for themselves or for their table instead of sharing with others. Now, if they had to pay $4 per cheeseburger then they would have 1 maybe 2 tops for the night.

Free stuff when provided to people will be gobbled up and stolen before others in line get to it.

Was the place crowded?
If so, then CAPITALISM worked

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ah yes, the ignorant battle cry of the idiot communist. You know what would "benefit us ALL", asshole? Ending the dependent parasites like you. Forcing you parasites to get up off of your lazy ass and provide for yourselves.

What do you think should be the fate of dependent parasites in this country?

Living in cardboard boxes? Dumster diving for food? Going from door to door asking for handouts? Dying in the streets for lack of medical care?

Is this your view of America?

My "view" of America is the exact same as our founders - constitutional government, self-reliance, personal responsibility, and FREEDOM. That includes FREDDOM from being a forced indebted SLAVE to the parasites.

As far as what I think should be the fate of dependent parasites in this country? I think if someone should encounter unfortunate circumstances, they should turn to:

1.) Themselves (you can be your own safety net through proper planning)

2.) Their family

3.) Their friends

4.) Their neighbors

5.) Their church

6.) Charity

That is more than enough safety nets than anyone could possibly need. If it's not, then yes, I think they should just curl up and die. I think they should make the same sacrifice that our 18 year old men & women in uniform make to ensure the survival of this nation. No sob story is worth trading FREEDOM and this nation for.

And if liberals would chip in and help us 1/1,000th as much as they bitch and call for Socialism, there wouldn't be anyone in need.

As far as what I think should be the fate of dependent parasites in this country

so you think any unfortunate in this Country is a Parasite?.......the guy riding down the Street using his Tongue to pilot his chair...is a Parasite?......a person born with some horrible Handicap is now a Parasite?.....if you think so....that kinda makes you a Dick.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Exactly! "Debtors prisons" and "workhouses" is 1,000x's better than having parasite mooches like you taking the American people for all they have and collapsing this once great nation. God forbid we have personal accountability & responsibility, right mooch?

Further more, the idiot liberal like you make such absurd extreme positions. It's either communism or death for the poor in your minds. As if people without insurance can't be put on payment plans and required to pay back their debts, no matter how long it takes.

So much easier to just STEAL from another and force them into SLAVERY, right Jillian?

Once again we find you making weak, uneducated "points" and me thoroughly dismantling them. Doesn't this get tired/embarassing for you ever?

Jill is not a "mooch" dickhead......and you havent "dismantled anyone....well maybe in your mind you have.....but after seeing the shit you post....i dont think so....

And yet you can't dispute one thing I've said or support your position on my posts. Your silence (ie lack of evidenc) is deafening....

talking about Jill dumbass.....lets see you prove what you said about her?.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Rotwieler I was kthenunderstanding a 8th a eduicatiion level cozier this obit take out his qsss

you're not from around here, are you?

looks like another Ginscopy Ernie.....

 

[LilOlLady]

I have always worked very hard for a living, and never expected a dime from another.

I too disagree with giving free hand outs... but let me ask you a few questions.

1. How is a baby that was going to be aborted going to be raised ( sorry the non-profits can not handle the huge amount it takes ) I have worked in this field.

2. If a family goes through a really hard time, don't you feel that a family deserves food and shelter for a short time?

3. When a non-insured person gets into a horrible accident, you feel that they should just die ?

I could go on

Someone gave your stupid ass a job and you have received lots of freee stuff and too stupid to realize it and paid for a lot of things you did not use. Self righteous radical right want to keep what they work for without paying for the things they use paid for by the federal, state or local government. YOU never pay for all the stuff you use.
Wake up fool, this is america you live in and give thanks that you have to share.

 

[Murf76]

What do you think should be the fate of dependent parasites in this country?

Living in cardboard boxes? Dumster diving for food? Going from door to door asking for handouts? Dying in the streets for lack of medical care?

Is this your view of America?

My "view" of America is the exact same as our founders - constitutional government, self-reliance, personal responsibility, and FREEDOM. That includes FREDDOM from being a forced indebted SLAVE to the parasites.

As far as what I think should be the fate of dependent parasites in this country? I think if someone should encounter unfortunate circumstances, they should turn to:

1.) Themselves (you can be your own safety net through proper planning)

2.) Their family

3.) Their friends

4.) Their neighbors

5.) Their church

6.) Charity

That is more than enough safety nets than anyone could possibly need. If it's not, then yes, I think they should just curl up and die. I think they should make the same sacrifice that our 18 year old men & women in uniform make to ensure the survival of this nation. No sob story is worth trading FREEDOM and this nation for.

And if liberals would chip in and help us 1/1,000th as much as they bitch and call for Socialism, there wouldn't be anyone in need.

As far as what I think should be the fate of dependent parasites in this country

so you think any unfortunate in this Country is a Parasite?.......the guy riding down the Street using his Tongue to pilot his chair...is a Parasite?......a person born with some horrible Handicap is now a Parasite?.....if you think so....that kinda makes you a Dick.....

Not to answer for the OP, but I kind of doubt that's what he has in mind. I think we could say without fear of contradiction at this point that most of us could cite a case of someone receiving welfare benefits who doesn't deserve them due to poor choices and not because they aren't able-bodied. I know I can cite a fair number.

What I don't think do-gooders take into account, in addition of course to the unfair nature of forcing one able-bodied citizen to support another, are the negative effects socially of hand-outs. If all but the truly needy had to rely on family, friends, charity, doesn't it stand to reason that they'd be required to comport themselves in such a manner as to earn the goodwill of others?

IOW, we enable poor choices and bad behavior that wouldn't be tolerated otherwise. I know one older couple who have no other disability than their continued abuse of alcohol. In fact, we spent two years raising their teenager in our home, because they would NOT control their drinking in order to provide housing. Today, they get every manner of welfare, free housing, food, healthcare... and they drink themselves to noisy, angry inebriation every single day. But if these people weren't qualified for the welfare that makes their lifestyle possible, they'd either choose drinking in a cardboard box or they'd pull themselves together enough to be worthy of community support. A family can't provide consequences to a delinquent member at this point because the delinquent can simply AVOID those consequences. It doesn't matter if we refuse to enable, Uncle Sugar does it anyway.

Sometimes it truly is better to slap a hand than hold it.

 

[LilOlLady]

Most of those people who receive "hand out" have fallen on hard time and have paid into the system and have paid for those handouts, exsept those who were born disabled. You left wiinger who hold your bibles in one hand and preach Christianity are full of shit. The fucking air you breath is free. GOD given rights are not free because even GOD expects something in return. That you worship him. That makes you a slave?

 

[rightwinger]

Ah yes, the ignorant battle cry of the idiot communist. You know what would "benefit us ALL", asshole? Ending the dependent parasites like you. Forcing you parasites to get up off of your lazy ass and provide for yourselves.

What do you think should be the fate of dependent parasites in this country?

Living in cardboard boxes? Dumster diving for food? Going from door to door asking for handouts? Dying in the streets for lack of medical care?

Is this your view of America?

My "view" of America is the exact same as our founders - constitutional government, self-reliance, personal responsibility, and FREEDOM. That includes FREDDOM from being a forced indebted SLAVE to the parasites.

As far as what I think should be the fate of dependent parasites in this country? I think if someone should encounter unfortunate circumstances, they should turn to:

1.) Themselves (you can be your own safety net through proper planning)

2.) Their family

3.) Their friends

4.) Their neighbors

5.) Their church

6.) Charity

That is more than enough safety nets than anyone could possibly need. If it's not, then yes, I think they should just curl up and die. I think they should make the same sacrifice that our 18 year old men & women in uniform make to ensure the survival of this nation. No sob story is worth trading FREEDOM and this nation for.

And if liberals would chip in and help us 1/1,000th as much as they bitch and call for Socialism, there wouldn't be anyone in need.

If you reside in an impoverished area, 1-5 are already out of the question

Private charity can only go so far, especially in bad economic times.

In all nations there are the haves and the have nots

Great nations are judged not on how well the haves are doing, but how the have nots are doing

 

[DiamondDave]

Then MOVE to another area....

And our 'have nots' are doing much better than other 'have nots' around the world... AC, cell phone, cable, video games, etc all pretty standard with our poor...

Private charity only goes so far because the government has taken over entitlements (beyond its power) and then tax earners more and more.... and of course because liberals would rather be generous with the monies of others (especially those they vilify), than with their own

 

[naturegirl]

Then MOVE to another area....

And our 'have nots' are doing much better than other 'have nots' around the world... AC, cell phone, cable, video games, etc all pretty standard with our poor...

Private charity only goes so far because the government has taken over entitlements (beyond its power) and then tax earners more and more.... and of course because liberals would rather be generous with the monies of others (especially those they vilify), than with their own

Most of these "havenots" are doing better than I am today. I have to pay for all the things they get free, then I have to pay for their freebies.

Not sure how we're going to make payroll this week. May have to lay off a couple more very soon.

 

[Harry Dresden]

so you think any unfortunate in this Country is a Parasite?.......the guy riding down the Street using his Tongue to pilot his chair...is a Parasite?......a person born with some horrible Handicap is now a Parasite?.....if you think so....that kinda makes you a Dick.....

Not to answer for the OP, but I kind of doubt that's what he has in mind. I think we could say without fear of contradiction at this point that most of us could cite a case of someone receiving welfare benefits who doesn't deserve them due to poor choices and not because they aren't able-bodied. I know I can cite a fair number.

What I don't think do-gooders take into account, in addition of course to the unfair nature of forcing one able-bodied citizen to support another, are the negative effects socially of hand-outs. If all but the truly needy had to rely on family, friends, charity, doesn't it stand to reason that they'd be required to comport themselves in such a manner as to earn the goodwill of others?

IOW, we enable poor choices and bad behavior that wouldn't be tolerated otherwise. I know one older couple who have no other disability than their continued abuse of alcohol. In fact, we spent two years raising their teenager in our home, because they would NOT control their drinking in order to provide housing. Today, they get every manner of welfare, free housing, food, healthcare... and they drink themselves to noisy, angry inebriation every single day. But if these people weren't qualified for the welfare that makes their lifestyle possible, they'd either choose drinking in a cardboard box or they'd pull themselves together enough to be worthy of community support. A family can't provide consequences to a delinquent member at this point because the delinquent can simply AVOID those consequences. It doesn't matter if we refuse to enable, Uncle Sugar does it anyway.

Sometimes it truly is better to slap a hand than hold it.

maybe thats what he meant Murf,i dont know....but he did not separate the genuine handicapped from the non handicapped .. there are two many people here who seem to think a genuinely handicapped person.....is a leach off of society and should be looked after TOTALLY by their family,without stopping to realize how hard and time consuming it may be and how costly it is for a non-professional to do this.....its also costly with aide...if i dont see the separation then i just assume that the poster means them too....

 

[Murf76]

so you think any unfortunate in this Country is a Parasite?.......the guy riding down the Street using his Tongue to pilot his chair...is a Parasite?......a person born with some horrible Handicap is now a Parasite?.....if you think so....that kinda makes you a Dick.....

Not to answer for the OP, but I kind of doubt that's what he has in mind. I think we could say without fear of contradiction at this point that most of us could cite a case of someone receiving welfare benefits who doesn't deserve them due to poor choices and not because they aren't able-bodied. I know I can cite a fair number.

What I don't think do-gooders take into account, in addition of course to the unfair nature of forcing one able-bodied citizen to support another, are the negative effects socially of hand-outs. If all but the truly needy had to rely on family, friends, charity, doesn't it stand to reason that they'd be required to comport themselves in such a manner as to earn the goodwill of others?

IOW, we enable poor choices and bad behavior that wouldn't be tolerated otherwise. I know one older couple who have no other disability than their continued abuse of alcohol. In fact, we spent two years raising their teenager in our home, because they would NOT control their drinking in order to provide housing. Today, they get every manner of welfare, free housing, food, healthcare... and they drink themselves to noisy, angry inebriation every single day. But if these people weren't qualified for the welfare that makes their lifestyle possible, they'd either choose drinking in a cardboard box or they'd pull themselves together enough to be worthy of community support. A family can't provide consequences to a delinquent member at this point because the delinquent can simply AVOID those consequences. It doesn't matter if we refuse to enable, Uncle Sugar does it anyway.

Sometimes it truly is better to slap a hand than hold it.

maybe thats what he meant Murf,i dont know....but he did not separate the genuine handicapped from the non handicapped .. there are two many people here who seem to think a genuinely handicapped person.....is a leach off of society and should be looked after TOTALLY by their family,without stopping to realize how hard and time consuming it may be and how costly it is for a non-professional to do this.....its also costly with aide...if i dont see the separation then i just assume that the poster means them too....

I do think that most people make those kind of differentiations. I know another family where 3 out of their 4 children are extremely low IQ, the non-PC term would be mental retardation. Now, these would be senior citizens today with only one elderly sibling of normal skills to attend them. Without subsidization, they wouldn't be able to live in a family environment; they aren't high enough functioning for that. But together, with a little help, they get by.

I think it's completely appropriate that we do what's possible for our most needy citizens, and if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say most folks see it that way. My preference, of course, would be that it be done at the State level though, as I don't find welfare programs to be constitutionally valid or even effective.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Ah yes, the ignorant battle cry of the idiot communist. You know what would "benefit us ALL", asshole? Ending the dependent parasites like you. Forcing you parasites to get up off of your lazy ass and provide for yourselves.

What do you think should be the fate of dependent parasites in this country?

Living in cardboard boxes? Dumster diving for food? Going from door to door asking for handouts? Dying in the streets for lack of medical care?

Is this your view of America?

My "view" of America is the exact same as our founders - constitutional government, self-reliance, personal responsibility, and FREEDOM. That includes FREDDOM from being a forced indebted SLAVE to the parasites.

As far as what I think should be the fate of dependent parasites in this country? I think if someone should encounter unfortunate circumstances, they should turn to:

1.) Themselves (you can be your own safety net through proper planning)

2.) Their family

3.) Their friends

4.) Their neighbors

5.) Their church

6.) Charity

That is more than enough safety nets than anyone could possibly need. If it's not, then yes, I think they should just curl up and die. I think they should make the same sacrifice that our 18 year old men & women in uniform make to ensure the survival of this nation. No sob story is worth trading FREEDOM and this nation for.

And if liberals would chip in and help us 1/1,000th as much as they bitch and call for Socialism, there wouldn't be anyone in need.

You forgot health care. Or are you one of those rw's who wants to be able to be seen in the ER but not have to pay for it. After all, under the current SOCIALIST system, the libs are stuck paying your health care bills if you choose not or cannot pay it yourself. Under ObamaCare, we would all pay less but the lazy rw's would have pay their own.

Listening to Mittens dancing around his Great (though nonexistent) Plan. What he plans to cut is tax deductions for our homes and for charitable donations, including to church. Add to that the higher local taxes because the Rs want everything at a state level, and the middle class will lose most of what they have. He would also cut any and all aid to vets and turn the VA into a voucher system.

You really have no idea how much liberals do in their communities and you have no right to say that you do.

 

[P@triot]

Can you imagine how charity contributions would fall if the high tax rates did not engourage charitable contribution deductions?

No... I can't. Not at all. In fact, we could still have the same "charitable contribution deductions" while still having an exponentially lower corporate tax rate. The charitable contributions would sky rocket even more! So, your point is an epic fail!

But, kudos for trying.

 

[P@triot]

The OP is at it again. He is listening to talk radio.

The American private sector has been given more subsidies and bailouts than the citizenry has seen in welfare payments by an unimaginable factor.

My brother-in-law is a lobbyist. The point of becoming a large corporation is to have enough money to lobby Washington for access to the tax payer's wallet.

The OP understands none of this.

During the largest fiscal crisis in the last 70 years, the wealthy were bailed out with TARP and the poor were foreclosed upon.

This is how welfare works. It always goes to those on top.

Except that you're the fucking idiots giving the "subsidies and bailouts" to bail out your precious little unions that have had collapsed America. I have been dead set against every bail out - from both George W. Bush and Barack Obama.

You really illustrate how stupid the left is. They give themselves giant bail outs, then cry, piss, and moan about the bailouts...

Can we please see ANY form of consistency from you hypocritical, policy contradicting dumb asses?!?!

 

[P@triot]

he'd rather we had debtors prisons and workhouses like dickensian england.

Funny we don't have debtor's prisons except for the IRS. The government can put you in jail for not paying taxes but you can't go to jail for not paying your bills. Do you agree it's OK for the government to have debtor's prison??

the IRS doesn't have debtors prison. you go to jail for dodging taxes because you violate the law.

so your premise, as usual, is nonsense.

Funny how it's "against the law" if the government doesn't get paid, but perfectly ok if corporations don't get paid. Can you explain that to me? Of course you can't....

so your premise, as usual, is nonsense

 

[P@triot]

Ah yes, the ignorant battle cry of the idiot communist. You know what would "benefit us ALL", asshole? Ending the dependent parasites like you. Forcing you parasites to get up off of your lazy ass and provide for yourselves.

What do you think should be the fate of dependent parasites in this country?

Living in cardboard boxes? Dumster diving for food? Going from door to door asking for handouts? Dying in the streets for lack of medical care?

Is this your view of America?

How about they GET A JOB and take care of themselves?

Gasp!!! The horrors!

 

[P@triot]

You forgot health care. Or are you one of those rw's who wants to be able to be seen in the ER but not have to pay for it. After all, under the current SOCIALIST system, the libs are stuck paying your health care bills if you choose not or cannot pay it yourself.

Where is healthcare "forgtton" in my post? The same exact rules apply. It is no different from food, housing, etc. Your arguments are so weak, you literally have to just make shit up

As Andrew Wilkow points out all the time, "your ability to pay today has no bearing on your ability to pay tomorrow". If someone can't pay their healthcare bill, you put them on a damn payment plan and demand that they back it back, no longer how long it takes. If they refuse, you throw them in prison (just like the IRS does) and you work them to death on roads, saving the tax payer's money for having to pay for roads. It's a win-win-win.

Under ObamaCare, we would all pay less but the lazy rw's would have pay their own.

Obamacare has caused the price of healthcare to skyrocket since it was implemented. So we all pay MORE. Furthermore, Republicans are the ones insured and you know it. That's why it's your side crying for the free healthcare and mandate to make conservatives pay for it. Just stop with your nonsense...

Listening to Mittens dancing around his Great (though nonexistent) Plan. What he plans to cut is tax deductions for our homes and for charitable donations, including to church. Add to that the higher local taxes because the Rs want everything at a state level, and the middle class will lose most of what they have. He would also cut any and all aid to vets and turn the VA into a voucher system.

You expose your ignorance every time you speak. How does CUTTING taxes (which means leaving MORE money in the people's hands - where it belongs) cause the "middle class" to lose anything?!?!? At the state level, if the middle class doesn't like something, they can get the fuck out and move to a state where they do like things. For instance, you socialist idiot liberal Dumbocrats can all move to California, where you're policies have already collapsed that state and turned it into the world's biggest shit hole. So why do you Dumbocrats agree with that? You could live in your communist utopia! Because you know that would give the conservatives the flexibility to move to the state they want, and they wouldn't be there to pay for your failed policies!

You really have no idea how much liberals do in their communities and you have no right to say that you do.

Actually, I do, or I wouldn't comment. They've released the numbers (try doing some homework), and conservatives donate more to charity than liberals do. Sorry you hate the facts so much, but that is typical of your side of the aisle.

 

[tjvh]

I have always worked very hard for a living, and never expected a dime from another.

I too disagree with giving free hand outs... but let me ask you a few questions.

1. How is a baby that was going to be aborted going to be raised ( sorry the non-profits can not handle the huge amount it takes ) I have worked in this field.

2. If a family goes through a really hard time, don't you feel that a family deserves food and shelter for a short time?

3. When a non-insured person gets into a horrible accident, you feel that they should just die ?

I could go on

Someone gave your stupid ass a job and you have received lots of freee stuff and too stupid to realize it and paid for a lot of things you did not use. Self righteous radical right want to keep what they work for without paying for the things they use paid for by the federal, state or local government. YOU never pay for all the stuff you use.
Wake up fool, this is america you live in and give thanks that you have to share.

17 more days before the Mailman brings your check... Don't forget to budget our money until then.