Why liberals hate values

[MrMarbles]

So then how do you explain Canada? Canada is liberal. Canada is working. Canada has, is, and will work. Is Canada evil? Liberalism at work, just North of you guys, look up and see the light.

 

[Avatar4321]

So then how do you explain Canada? Canada is liberal. Canada is working. Canada has, is, and will work. Is Canada evil? Liberalism at work, just North of you guys, look up and see the light.

Easy immigration to the South :rotflmao:

 

[MrMarbles]

Easy immigration to the South :rotflmao:

Easier to the north.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

So then how do you explain Canada? Canada is liberal. Canada is working. Canada has, is, and will work. Is Canada evil? Liberalism at work, just North of you guys, look up and see the light.

Canada's success is due in large part to their proximity to the booming economic engine of capitalism that is america, and their ability to engage in the worldwide commerce infrastructure protected by the U.S. thank you.

 

[Isaac Brock]

There's no black white logic here. Didn't you read it when I wrote "some programs are ok"? Quit it with your strawman arguments. Why don't you go look that one up. "Strawman argument", google it. The only people who can't get jobs are the ones who refuse to speak and dress in a professional way.

So let me get this straight. You say there is a finite, static point where "some programs are ok", but if you exceed that line, it is now evil. You can't seem to actually define that line, but state that liberals have passed it.

"Strawman argument"? Hello pot, this is kettle, you're black.

Yes. IT's a balance. The balance we have now is great, but the libs still want more government and less freedom. Why do you fear competition?

How can you say with certainty that you've reached to optimum balance? Why do you fear new ideas? What if universal health care did indeed raise the standard of living of your countrymen as it has done in Canada, Sweden and Norway? Is the concept still evil? Of course not. It's good public policy.

Why do you assume one country's balance is optimal for all?

My analogies are accurate if you read and think. It's not just random words.
Liberalism is evil, it devalues values themselves, preferring to teach people that stealing from others for their own personal success is A. OK. Consider yourself vanquished.

Liberalism is not evil if one is even a casual student of history. It is a necessary component in any thriving capitalist society. Of course we could always throw ourselves back to the dawn of industrial England or modern day Saudi Arabia where concepts of liberalism are unheard of, but somehow I do believe that we would not be quite will to give up our liberties and social net.

 

[freeandfun1]

What if universal health care did indeed raise the standard of living of your countrymen as it has done in Canada, Sweden and Norway? Is the concept still evil? Of course not. It's good public policy.

What do those three countries have in common? Very small populations compared to the USA. Universal Health Care will not raise the standard of living of Americans. Our population is too big and the bureaucracy of a Universal Health Care system would render the system in-op. Look how bad it is with it the way it is now. If we introduce even more bureaucracy into the system, it will only worsen.

 

[Isaac Brock]

What do those three countries have in common? Very small populations compared to the USA. Universal Health Care will not raise the standard of living of Americans. Our population is too big and the bureaucracy of a Universal Health Care system would render the system in-op. Look how bad it is with it the way it is now. If we introduce even more bureaucracy into the system, it will only worsen.

I agree with you. I don't think that the US could support universal health care. The point I am making however, is that there is no fine line for the amount of social programs a country provides between higher standard of living and economic disaster. In many countries where more comprehensive social welfare exists, higher standards of living persist despite suggestions from some that it will destroy their economies and societies. Clearly that hasn't been the case.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I agree with you. I don't think that the US could support universal health care. The point I am making however, is that there is no fine line for the amount of social programs a country provides between higher standard of living and economic disaster. In many countries where more comprehensive social welfare exists, higher standards of living persist despite suggestions from some that it will destroy their economies and societies. Clearly that hasn't been the case.

Those economies are not growing either. Since life's tendency is to grow, it is immoral and anti-life to engage in activities which have been proven to limit growth. Socialism is stealing. Investors will not invest in societies which condone stealing their money.

 

[MrMarbles]

Those economies are not growing either. Since life's tendency is to grow, it is immoral and anti-life to engage in activities which have been proven to limit growth. Socialism is stealing. Investors will not invest in societies which condone stealing their money.

Not growing? Please enlighten us why. This should be good....

Canada's success is due in large part to their proximity to the booming economic engine of capitalism that is america, and their ability to engage in the worldwide commerce infrastructure protected by the U.S. thank you.

US is just as dependant on us, as we are on you.

 

[Annie]

Canada's success is due in large part to their proximity to the booming economic engine of capitalism that is america, and their ability to engage in the worldwide commerce infrastructure protected by the U.S. thank you.



US is just as dependant on us, as we are on you.
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How do you figure? You brought it up. % of American exports to Canada. % of Canadian exports to US.

 

[Annie]

I just read through what I posted and what the last 2 pages and 1st page say. Seems to me this should move to politics or USA chat? If no one voices a problem with that I'm going to move this shortly. I think I know what Rtwngavngr intended, but Bully's early entry changed the direction.

 

[007]

Let's, for the sake of argument, assume that I am a liberal...since I donnot believe in a supreme being,

Now pulpit, you know that just ain't true. You DO believe. As a matter fact, you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you can't deny that.

The day the 666 disappears from your avatar picture of our President, then you can make the claim that you "don't believe". But as long as that's there, what you are OBVIOUSLY saying with that, is that you DO BELIEVE IN THE DEVIL, you're PRONOUNCING that with the picture. Now everyone knows that if the devil exists, then so does God. So whether you like it or not, YOU are telling us in your own way, that yes, you REALLY DO BELIEVE IN GOD.

Praise the Lord brother.

 

[Comrade]

Not growing? Please enlighten us why. This should be good....

I wouldn't say Canada is not growing, but by all reckoning this growth is on par with similar socialist economies in Europe, which is far less than what the US has posted since the late 70's, when it outstripped Western Europe and Canada after both adopted their extensive socailist economic policies.

I think the point that shouldn't be lost here is that compared to America, opportunity in Canada is limited, and it's economic policies are directly responsible for it's stagnant performance... Canada's land and resources are massive compared to what each American on average can claim. And their spending on defence is almost nil as a cost per person, let alone the outlays for Military R&D. So what is the problem, seriously? Get off the dole Canada.

Plenty of numbers to back me up on this, but for starters you can go here:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

GDP per Capita:

Canada: 29.7K
USA: 37.8K

GDP growth %
Canada: 1,6%
USA: 3.1%

Unemployment %
Canada: 7.7%
USA: 6.2%

Inflation %
Canada: 2.8%
USA: 2.1%

Everything better in America for business. At some point all the middle class in Canada will live like our relative poorest. That's what the USSR found out the hard way, and now I'm afraid our allies will as well.

 

[Annie]

Canada's success is due in large part to their proximity to the booming economic engine of capitalism that is america, and their ability to engage in the worldwide commerce infrastructure protected by the U.S. thank you.



US is just as dependant on us, as we are on you.
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How do you figure? You brought it up. % of American exports to Canada. % of Canadian exports to US.

Mr. Marbles has been deafeningly quiet. :shocked:

Here is a synopsis of what is going on between our countries, WE are not as dependent on exports:

http://www.buyusa.gov/canada/en/traderelationsusacanada.html

 

[Comrade]

Mr. Marbles has been deafeningly quiet. :shocked:

Here is a synopsis of what is going on between our countries, WE are not as dependent on exports:

http://www.buyusa.gov/canada/en/traderelationsusacanada.html

So with all the bitching from Canada your saying we could have just cut them off from their allowance? Jeez, would that work? Definately worth a try!

 

[MrMarbles]

So with all the bitching from Canada your saying we could have just cut them off from their allowance? Jeez, would that work? Definately worth a try!

Fine, close the borders! Lets see what happens. Both countries will take a massive hit. If you guys think you can make it with out us, then why don'y you do so?

Mr. Marbles has been deafeningly quiet.

Only been one day since my last post. I do have a real life that needs tending to time and again. I can't just sit here all day waiting for someone to pay attention to me.

As for the numbers posted, I don't disagree with them. We have improvements to make, but not towards the American style. We are already ranked higher then in the world, why move down?

But anyway.......

Do liberals hate values no.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Fine, close the borders! Lets see what happens. Both countries will take a massive hit. If you guys think you can make it with out us, then why don'y you do so?




Only been one day since my last post. I do have a real life that needs tending to time and again. I can't just sit here all day waiting for someone to pay attention to me.

As for the numbers posted, I don't disagree with them. We have improvements to make, but not towards the American style. We are already ranked higher then in the world, why move down?

But anyway.......

Do liberals hate values no.

The fact that income redistribution slows economic expansion is indisputable. Disagree if you want; it's foolish. You libs justify this in the end with your environmental wacko assertions that humanity is evil anyway.

That ranking you keep touting is basically a rating on who is most socialist, it's nothing to be proud of. The U.S. gives more aid out all around the world than any other nation. The booming us economy in the 80's is what allowed us to outspend the soviet union on defense. We won economically, not through aggression. The world should be thanking us for defeating communist totalitarianism, all we get is shit. Envy is the ugliest of emotions.

 

[Annie]

The fact that income redistribution slows economic expansion is indisputable. Disagree if you want; it's foolish. You libs justify this in the end with your environmental wacko assertions that humanity is evil anyway.

That ranking you keep touting is basically a rating on who is most socialist, it's nothing to be proud of. The U.S. gives more aid out all around the world than any other nation. The booming us economy in the 80's is what allowed us to outspend the soviet union on defense. We won economically, not through aggression. The world should be thanking us for defeating communist totalitarianism, all we get is shit. Envy is the ugliest of emotions.

 

[Comrade]

Only been one day since my last post. I do have a real life that needs tending to time and again. I can't just sit here all day waiting for someone to pay attention to me.

As for the numbers posted, I don't disagree with them. We have improvements to make, but not towards the American style. We are already ranked higher then in the world, why move down?

What, you mean this UN compiled survey?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1845&e=12&u=/cpress/cda_un_index

This index doesn't seem to be based on a fixed standards of actual statistics, you know, a set a rules and weights to apply to each ranking. As far as I can tell every factor described in the report here is a black mark on Canada vs. the U.S. and yet for a mysterious reason Canada still pulls ahead in the final ranking?

This dog and pony show is so tranparently politicized, and it's kind of odd to see anyone get excited over some "official" report that a committee of U.N. diplomats grunted out onto paper.

Does it feel special to get a Blue ribbon from the U.N., even without the actual statistics to back it up? Is this the world version of the special olympics?

 

[MrMarbles]

We will see how you guys act 'if' the US is ever on top.