Why Liberals Hate Free Speech

[Delta4Embassy]

Liberals are the power in the political realm....and they illustrate what Lord Action meant about power absolutely corrupting those who control it.



1." ...do any of you actually remember a time when liberals truly supported and believed in freedom of speech.... genuine,bona fide agreement with the principle that liberty includes allowing those with whom you disagree to have access to the marketplace of ideas, and that this marketplace itself will decide which are the best ones. You know, Voltaire's "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it," and all that?

I can't either. Probably nobody can who was not born during or before World War II,



2.... those on the Left do not believe in free speech. They simply do not accept the fundamental principle that people of all opinions ought to be able to express those opinions without being punished for it, or at least hindered to the greatest degree possible in their ability to express themselves.



3. [Thus the] editorial in Harvard's student newspaper The Crimson, in which Sandra Korn, a student columnist and "women's studies" major (who didn't see that one coming?) obligingly calls for academic totalitarianism,

"Yet the liberal obsession with 'academic freedom" seems a bit misplaced to me. .... No academic question is ever 'free' from political realities. If our university community opposes racism, sexism, and heterosexism, why should we put up with research that counters our goals simply in the name of "academic freedom"?



"Instead, I would like to propose a more rigorous standard: one of 'academic justice. When an academic community observes research promoting or justifying oppression, it should ensure that this research does not continue.



"The power to enforce academic justice comes from students, faculty, and workers organizing together to make our universities look as we want them to do. Two years ago, when former summer school instructor Subramanian Swamy published hateful commentary about Muslims in India, the Harvard community organized to ensure that he would not return to teach on campus. I consider that sort of organizing both appropriate and commendable. Perhaps it should even be applied more broadly...


There, in a nutshell, is the modern liberal attitude toward freedom of speech, and by extension freedom of thought. If research doesn't substantiate the cultural goals and priorities of today's Neo-Fascists, then we must ensure that it "does not continue." Why liberals hate freedom of speech



If speech refutes the Left's positions on any number of issues, then it has to be silenced. "Academic justice" means suppression of all those naughty things that people might say that contradict us.


As far as speech is concerned, the Left definitely prefers a command economy over the free market.

Think hating free speech isn't a partisan issue,

" Bill O’Reilly Cuts Off BET Host Who Refuses To Say If #BlackLivesMatter Leadership Repudiates Callin
Stephanie, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Current Events "

Think hating free speech crosses the aisle if what's being said or not said doesn't jib with your agenda. Like Trump and that Mexican reporter.

 

[Seawytch]

Don't worry...a President Ben Carson will make sure that only Liberal free speech would be targeted in his administration.

Ben Carson Assures Conservatives He Will Only Target Liberal Free Speech | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Right winger....right....that's why Hitler was head of the National Socialists...

Saddam was the head of the Republican Guard......

 

[PoliticalChic]

. Try to get your bigoted vocabulary correct.
Fascists, Communists, Liberals, Progressives, Nazis, and socialist are all Left-Wing.

/facepalm

Well....now for the truth.....you'd best take notes:


Here is a little quiz that will show just how wrong you are:


Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.

How do you not know the political spectrum? That is Intro to Political Theory. Pretty basic stuff. Your subjective bullet points don't change that.

Now, take notes, you dunce, and I'll explain how and why you've been convinced to believe a myth.

1. At the start of the depression, Mussolini, Roosevelt, Hitler, and Stalin were powerful leaders who many looked to based on the belief that capitalism had failed the world.

'2. All four were megalomaniacs and none believed that that there could or should be any restrictions on their power.

a. Roosevelt's guru, Rex Tugwell (look him up) spoke of how he despised the Constitution:
It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said: 'Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.63




3. The Nazis claimed that they could have written FDR's book:
a. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”

b. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’

c. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”

d. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”


4. Early on, FDR made his choice....Stalin: he recognized the USSR during his first year in office....1933...well before Hitler attacked his brother dictator (1941)


5. But....when the horrors of the Holocaust became known....FDR and the other Progressives/Liberals jumped like rats leaving a sinking ship....they had to distance themselves from their partner Leftwingers....

a. "Before WW II, the same folks who championed Progressivism, viewed fascism as a noble economic agenda, and praised Mussolini. It was the horrors of the Holocaust that required both the rapid retreat from associations with the term fascism, and the rebranding by John Dewey of progressivism as liberalism.
W.E.B.DuBois suggested that National Socialism seemed an excellent model for economic organization.
http://www.ghi-dc.org/files/publications/bu_supp/supp5/supp5_099.pdf





6. Having control of the schools and the media allowed the Liberals/Progressives/Democrats to claim that the Nazis were the opposite side of the aisle....'Rightwingers'...and true fools accepted that, even though 'Nazi' was a contraction of 'National Socialist.'


7. BTW....FDR's BFF, Stalin, had taught Hitler how to build concentration camps, and fed him the resources for his Blitzkrieg....



Everything in this post is true and accurate: check it out, and see how you've been lied to.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Don't worry...a President Ben Carson will make sure that only Liberal free speech would be targeted in his administration.

Ben Carson Assures Conservatives He Will Only Target Liberal Free Speech | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

My posts have been founded on what is....
...yours on the support of the Magic 8-Ball.


Let's make it clear: you have been unable to deny any of the posts I've provided....Liberals/Progressives/Democrats hate free speech....

...and the stronger they become, the less free speech, religious freedom and liberty will be available.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Right winger....right....that's why Hitler was head of the National Socialists...

Saddam was the head of the Republican Guard......

With some trepidation, I suggest you read and consider post #84.....

But.... Careful....if this is the first time you've ever tried to think you could wind up with an aneurysm!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Don't worry...a President Ben Carson will make sure that only Liberal free speech would be targeted in his administration.

Ben Carson Assures Conservatives He Will Only Target Liberal Free Speech | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

BTW, have you noticed that comparing my posts with yours makes your sig line an outright lie?

You should consider changing your worldview or your sig.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

With some trepidation, I suggest you read and consider post #84.....

But.... Careful....if this is the first time you've ever tried to think you could wind up with an aneurysm!

Don't worry, not much thinking needed in this case...


But tell me something, if Hitler was a commie/socialist/liberal....... why did he put all the German socialists and communists in concentration camps after he grabbed power?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Liberals are the power in the political realm....and they illustrate what Lord Action meant about power absolutely corrupting those who control it.



1." ...do any of you actually remember a time when liberals truly supported and believed in freedom of speech.... genuine,bona fide agreement with the principle that liberty includes allowing those with whom you disagree to have access to the marketplace of ideas, and that this marketplace itself will decide which are the best ones. You know, Voltaire's "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it," and all that?

I can't either. Probably nobody can who was not born during or before World War II,



2.... those on the Left do not believe in free speech. They simply do not accept the fundamental principle that people of all opinions ought to be able to express those opinions without being punished for it, or at least hindered to the greatest degree possible in their ability to express themselves.



3. [Thus the] editorial in Harvard's student newspaper The Crimson, in which Sandra Korn, a student columnist and "women's studies" major (who didn't see that one coming?) obligingly calls for academic totalitarianism,

"Yet the liberal obsession with 'academic freedom" seems a bit misplaced to me. .... No academic question is ever 'free' from political realities. If our university community opposes racism, sexism, and heterosexism, why should we put up with research that counters our goals simply in the name of "academic freedom"?



"Instead, I would like to propose a more rigorous standard: one of 'academic justice. When an academic community observes research promoting or justifying oppression, it should ensure that this research does not continue.



"The power to enforce academic justice comes from students, faculty, and workers organizing together to make our universities look as we want them to do. Two years ago, when former summer school instructor Subramanian Swamy published hateful commentary about Muslims in India, the Harvard community organized to ensure that he would not return to teach on campus. I consider that sort of organizing both appropriate and commendable. Perhaps it should even be applied more broadly...


There, in a nutshell, is the modern liberal attitude toward freedom of speech, and by extension freedom of thought. If research doesn't substantiate the cultural goals and priorities of today's Neo-Fascists, then we must ensure that it "does not continue." Why liberals hate freedom of speech



If speech refutes the Left's positions on any number of issues, then it has to be silenced. "Academic justice" means suppression of all those naughty things that people might say that contradict us.


As far as speech is concerned, the Left definitely prefers a command economy over the free market.

Think hating free speech isn't a partisan issue,

" Bill O’Reilly Cuts Off BET Host Who Refuses To Say If #BlackLivesMatter Leadership Repudiates Callin
Stephanie, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Current Events "

Think hating free speech crosses the aisle if what's being said or not said doesn't jib with your agenda. Like Trump and that Mexican reporter.

That's a lie.

I saw the exchange....the guy refused to stop filibustering and allow anyone else to speak.

 

[PoliticalChic]

With some trepidation, I suggest you read and consider post #84.....

But.... Careful....if this is the first time you've ever tried to think you could wind up with an aneurysm!

Don't worry, not much thinking needed in this case...


But tell me something, if Hitler was a commie/socialist/liberal....... why did he put all the German socialists and communists in concentration camps after he grabbed power?

1. I see you quoted the Liberal motto: "...not much thinking needed..."

2. Dictionary.com says a falling out is a quarrel or estrangement between persons formerly in close association with one another.A falling out.


3. So....you were afraid to take the quiz I created....because it proves that communism, Nazism, Liberalism are all permutations of one view.

4. Further evidence:
a. A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." November 27, 1925.

b. Shortly thereafter the Nazis found it more useful to stress differences, and the earlier campaign posters showing similarities disappeared, posters with both the hammer and sickle and the swastika.

c. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

d. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists."
Vladimir Bukovsky.


In short.....I'm never wrong.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

In short.....I'm never wrong.

You're a complete moron

But if you're never wrong you shouldn't have a problem providing an answer to my question....

 

[PoliticalChic]

In short.....I'm never wrong.

You're a complete moron

But if you're never wrong you shouldn't have a problem providing an answer to my question....

Clean off your specs......question answered in post #90, item #2...

...and supported with evidence in item #3


Stop by any grade school and one of the students would, I'm certain, be happy to explain any part that is still outside your ken.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Clean off your specs......question answered in post #90, item #2...

...and supported with evidence in item #3

Why did Hitler put all his fellow commies and socialists in concentration camps?

Answer.......????

2. Dictionary.com says a falling out is a quarrel or estrangement between persons formerly in close association with one another.A falling out.

3. So....you were afraid to take the quiz I created....because it proves that communism, Nazism, Liberalism are all permutations of one view.


Sorry, I still think you're a moron

 

[PoliticalChic]

Clean off your specs......question answered in post #90, item #2...

...and supported with evidence in item #3

Why did Hitler put all his fellow commies and socialists in concentration camps?

Answer.......????

2. Dictionary.com says a falling out is a quarrel or estrangement between persons formerly in close association with one another.A falling out.

3. So....you were afraid to take the quiz I created....because it proves that communism, Nazism, Liberalism are all permutations of one view.


Sorry, I still think you're a moron

"Sorry, I still think you're a moron."

Notice of infraction: Based on the posts you have submitted, the fourth word in that line is no longer an option for you to include.
It represents a 'fact' not in evidence.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

"Sorry, I still think you're a moron."

Notice of infraction: Based on the posts you have submitted, the fourth word in that line is no longer an option for you to include.
It represents a 'fact' not in evidence.

You're not qualified to make judgements about facts and evidence

 

[jillian]

 

[PoliticalChic]

Another completely typical post of yours.

Zero substance, zero knowledge evinced, zero value.

But....it is shorter than the usual Liberal "is not, is not."

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Sorry, I still think you're a moron."

Notice of infraction: Based on the posts you have submitted, the fourth word in that line is no longer an option for you to include.
It represents a 'fact' not in evidence.

You're not qualified to make judgements about facts and evidence

Then, why have you subscribed to the post, making several vain attempts to rebut them?
(Be sure to let me know if you require the definitions of any terms in that sentence.)

For clarity, and so that I may address you correctly, are you stupid, or a liar?

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Then, why have you subscribed to the post, making several vain attempts to rebut them?
(Be sure to let me know if you require the definitions of any terms in that sentence.)

I've got nothing better to do at the moment and you're always good for a laugh....

For clarity, and so that I may address you correctly, are you stupid, or a liar?

I already told you I'm a socialist (you know, like Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Mao.....)

 

[jillian]

Another completely typical post of yours.

Zero substance, zero knowledge evinced, zero value.

But....it is shorter than the usual Liberal "is not, is not."

no. just an observation on your daily cut and paste troll thread.

if only you were as smart as you think you are. stick to piano. at least that's constructive.

:thus: