Why labor unions can't win

TemplarKormac

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Unions are as old as the hills themselves, and their tactics are likewise the same. On top of everything else, they are overwhelmingly liberal Democrat. But over the past 30 years they have seen their power dwindle in the American workplace. They are suffering defeat after defeat, simply because the time for the labor union has passed. Frankly, they haven't served a viable purpose after the late 1980's or so. What you have now are labor unions who demand entitlements, and even fight for teachers convicted of watching pornography in a classroom full of children.

As June 2012 in Wisconsin came along, the death knell of labor unions was sounded. When Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker defeated union backed Tom Barrett in his recall election, it was painfully obvious. Unions were no longer viable. In Chattanooga recently, labor unions were dealt a crippling blow by workers at Volkswagen, when they voted not to unionize at the plant. There is no place for the labor union in America anymore, and the people have made that known loud and clear. The labor union can no longer force companies to their knees, nor enforce the far left version of "pay equality" on unsuspecting businesses.

They’re not dead yet. But labor unions have become so unpopular they can't organize workers even with the blessing of employers.

Chattanooga, Tennessee has become the latest mournful battlefield for the United Auto Workers, which lost a closely watched unionization vote at the Volkswagen factory there. Unlike other automakers, Volkswagen allowed the UAW free access to its workers and tacitly approved the unionization effort, since the German automaker works closely with unions in its home country and other nations where it manufacturers vehicles. Even that couldn't put the UAW over the top, however, and the defeat could signal a dead end for the UAW in its plan to unionize other southern auto plants run by firms such as Mercedes, BMW, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai and Kia.

The Chattanooga vote became a sort of national litmus test of union power, with public figures such as conservative activist Grover Norquist and Republican Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee joining some local officials in the fight against the UAW. That may have helped tip the balance, but unions in general are in a sharp decline that shows no sign of reversing. With unemployment persistently high, CEOs getting richer than ever and worries about income inequality frequently making the evening news, you might think it’s a ripe time for unions to recruit more members among the dispossessed workers of America. But it's not happening, as the following two charts show:

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Why labor unions can't win | The Exchange - Yahoo Finance
 
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Unions eventually stab you in the back.

They sell you a good game and for a while they get away with winning you unearned wages, pensions, vacations and numerous other unearned perks, but the inevitable always happens:

They negotiate and demand until you have no job left, while the union executives dine and wine with the President and pad their bank accounts.

And that is the ultimate betrayal.
 
The things that the unions fought for in the past are now required by law. Unions today serve no purpose but to collect money for the democrat party.
 
Capitalism is founded upon the struggle of management versus those that they have hired. Management has won a huge battle now that unions are becoming a thing of the past. It is now up to the worker to constantly strive to find better employment. Workers have no other options than to get up and walk away as soon as they can.
 
Capitalism is founded upon the struggle of management versus those that they have hired. Management has won a huge battle now that unions are becoming a thing of the past. It is now up to the worker to constantly strive to find better employment. Workers have no other options than to get up and walk away as soon as they can.

Well no. The worker's best option might be staying there. Or it might be finding a better job. But you are correct that workers are now empowered to make their own way, rather than letting Big Daddy Union tell them what to do.
 
I have no problem with unions and unionism.

1. Covered by freedom of assembly in the Constitution

2. They serve as part of the checks and balances necessary in a market economy

3. If any object to public employee unions, take it up with the corrupt politicians who sign away the public fisc.
 
Is it just a coincidence that those graphs in the OP are eerily similar to wage stagnation and income mobility graphs for the same period. The Oligarchs are the only ones winning. Pitting the middle class against each other while they enjoy massive proffits.
 
I have no problem with unions and unionism.

1. Covered by freedom of assembly in the Constitution

2. They serve as part of the checks and balances necessary in a market economy

3. If any object to public employee unions, take it up with the corrupt politicians who sign away the public fisc.

Do you have a problem with the American Nazi Party or those idiot Baptists that protest military funerals?
 
Is it just a coincidence that those graphs in the OP are eerily similar to wage stagnation and income mobility graphs for the same period. The Oligarchs are the only ones winning. Pitting the middle class against each other while they enjoy massive proffits.

There is no wage stagnation. It is a canard invented by the left to feed class warfare.
 
"Well no. The worker's best option might be staying there. Or it might be finding a better job. But you are correct that workers are now empowered to make their own way, rather than letting Big Daddy Union tell them what to do. "

You are wrong. It is never good for a worker to stay long at all. One educates themselves so they have a marketable skill. They then use that skill to constantly move on to higher pay and better benefits. Threatening to walk away when needed most is a powerful tool.
 
"Well no. The worker's best option might be staying there. Or it might be finding a better job. But you are correct that workers are now empowered to make their own way, rather than letting Big Daddy Union tell them what to do. "

You are wrong. It is never good for a worker to stay long at all. One educates themselves so they have a marketable skill. They then use that skill to constantly move on to higher pay and better benefits. Threatening to walk away when needed most is a powerful tool.

Lemme guess. You never worked for a company. Amiright?
 
I have no problem with unions and unionism.

1. Covered by freedom of assembly in the Constitution

2. They serve as part of the checks and balances necessary in a market economy

3. If any object to public employee unions, take it up with the corrupt politicians who sign away the public fisc.

All of the things that the unions fought for in the past are now required by law.
 
Unions are as old as the hills themselves, and their tactics are likewise the same. On top of everything else, they are overwhelmingly liberal Democrat. But over the past 30 years they have seen their power dwindle in the American workplace. They are suffering defeat after defeat, simply because the time for the labor union has passed. Frankly, they haven't served a viable purpose after the late 1980's or so. What you have now are labor unions who demand entitlements, and even fight for teachers convicted of watching pornography in a classroom full of children.

As June 2012 in Wisconsin came along, the death knell of labor unions was sounded. When Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker defeated union backed Tom Barrett in his recall election, it was painfully obvious. Unions were no longer viable. In Chattanooga recently, labor unions were dealt a crippling blow by workers at Volkswagen, when they voted not to unionize at the plant. There is no place for the labor union in America anymore, and the people have made that known loud and clear. The labor union can no longer force companies to their knees, nor enforce the far left version of "pay equality" on unsuspecting businesses.

They’re not dead yet. But labor unions have become so unpopular they can't organize workers even with the blessing of employers.

Chattanooga, Tennessee has become the latest mournful battlefield for the United Auto Workers, which lost a closely watched unionization vote at the Volkswagen factory there. Unlike other automakers, Volkswagen allowed the UAW free access to its workers and tacitly approved the unionization effort, since the German automaker works closely with unions in its home country and other nations where it manufacturers vehicles. Even that couldn't put the UAW over the top, however, and the defeat could signal a dead end for the UAW in its plan to unionize other southern auto plants run by firms such as Mercedes, BMW, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai and Kia.

The Chattanooga vote became a sort of national litmus test of union power, with public figures such as conservative activist Grover Norquist and Republican Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee joining some local officials in the fight against the UAW. That may have helped tip the balance, but unions in general are in a sharp decline that shows no sign of reversing. With unemployment persistently high, CEOs getting richer than ever and worries about income inequality frequently making the evening news, you might think it’s a ripe time for unions to recruit more members among the dispossessed workers of America. But it's not happening, as the following two charts show:

d6a2dc60-95ba-11e3-b2fa-83b38391ed19_UnionMembers.JPG


3d120160-95bb-11e3-b2fa-83b38391ed19_UnionMemRate.JPG

Why labor unions can't win | The Exchange - Yahoo Finance

This is a perfect example of the loss of appeal of the unions! The UAW was provided an office (when the opposition was denied access), they were able to lie to, I mean lobby the workers and still 87% 6 out of 7 workers voted against unionization!
 
"Lemme guess. You never worked for a company. Amiright?"

Yes I did. Then I started my own.
 
Labor unions can work great. But the labor movement lost ground when it fell for the idea that state policy would help their cause. Labor law has never been anything other than a scheme to co-opt unions into 'labor management' devices, herding workers into their corporate pens.
 
Unions are programmed to put themselves out of commission.

If the companies screw up, the unions organize the workers, which force the companies to wise up and treat their employees well, which means the time workers' pay and comps improve to the point they don't need the unions.

This is a cycle that will continue in our history.
 
If companies keep raising wages periodically for their workers, the workers increase production. It most always works out this way. You work as hard you are paid for. Higher wages most always equals higher production.
 
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