Why Isn't 20,000 Border Patrol Agents Enough

[Yarddog]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

I know right? They all work 24 hours a day 7 days a week with no sick leave time off and no supervisors and no sleep!

With 3 shifts, it's 6 agents per mile, assume supervision and administration and we end up with say 5 agents per mile. Of course as you pointed out we have 1300 miles of natural border which should require less patrolling.

But they are not necessarily dispersed along a straight line, they may be covering a deep zone along that line.
For one thing, one of the problems is tunneling under the wall and how far into US territory do their tunnels run?
all that ground needs to be covered.
Another thing is , Smugglers and cartels can use mexican civilians as diversions when they want to move something important across the border. Simply send a couple hundred across to tie up border agents while they are moving somewhere else.
If Border agents are requesting more people, there may be a good reason for it.

 

[August West]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

He wants to re-enact the Battle of the Somme maybe? Never mind, he would have no idea what that was.

 

[toobfreak]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

Where the hell did YOU learn math? People work an 8 hour shift. Assuming three shifts a day with no sickness, absentees or vacations, that means 6,600 agents ON DUTY at any given time. Spread over 2000 miles, that is one agent every 3.3 miles. If they ride in teams of two, then that is one vehicle every 6.7 miles. At that scarcity, it is a wonder they ever catch anyone at all.

 

[August West]

The border sheriffs don`t want a wall.
Texas Border Sheriffs: There is No Crisis and We Don’t Want Trump’s Wall

 

[B. Kidd]

The border sheriffs don`t want a wall.
Texas Border Sheriffs: There is No Crisis and We Don’t Want Trump’s Wall

How much graft are they getting paid to look the other way?
Get real.

 

[depotoo]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

Uhhhm, there are 3 shifts a day.

 

[depotoo]

The border sheriffs don`t want a wall.
Texas Border Sheriffs: There is No Crisis and We Don’t Want Trump’s Wall

We went through this before when you posted it. Care for a reminder with all my links, again?
Here, will do it anyway-

ONLY ON ABC-7: Hudspeth County Sheriff advocates for border wall
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He also needs his memory to be refreshed-
America’s Dirtiest Cops: Cash, Cocaine, Corruption on the Texas Border – Rolling Stone
https://psmag.com/news/corruption-in-the-construction-of-a-texas-border-wall
At border, corruption of U.S. officials leaves an open door for drug cartels | Texas | Dallas News

The Sheriff Who Went to Pot
He won by the greatest majorities of any elected official in South Texas without ever soliciting campaign funds; instead, he would say with a shrug, “People always phone me, wanting to give me money.” Wild rumors swirled wherever he kicked up dust. Was it true that he had a network of spies on both sides of the border? Was it true that his enemies sometimes wound up face down in the Rio Grande? Residents of the Valley seemed wholly unbothered. They preferred that their sheriffs be larger than life. Still, few wished to believe what was being suggested in Laredo’s federal courthouse on July 25, 1994—namely, that a man like Brig Marmolejo could be bought by drug-dealing inmates at the Hidalgo County jail.

No one can bribe me. It was the kind of declaration one seldom heard, and almost never believed, from a politician in the bribe-infested Valley. Brig Marmolejo was different, or at least he had been. He won office in 1976 with law-and-order rhetoric and a record to back it up. His pledge to the voters of Hidalgo County was that he would not be only tough but pure: “I will not seek favor with any group, and I will enforce the law equally when and where required.” For several years, Marmolejo lived up to that pledge when so many others could not. He was an exception, the rare Valley official who seemed capable of honesty.

But by this summer, Brig Marmolejo had become the latest in a series of Valley public figures to be accused of federal crimes. In April Marmolejo’s chief deputy, Bob Davis, had pleaded guilty to selling confidential police information. That same month, Zapata County sheriff Romeo Ramirez and county clerk Arnoldo Flores pleaded guilty to federal drug-related charges after being arrested in Operation Prickly Pear, a U.S. government sting that culminated in June with the conviction of Zapata County judge Jose Luis Guevara, on several counts of public corruption. And a few weeks before Marmolejo’s trial, defense attorney Robert Salinas, who had once been the Hidalgo County district attorney, pleaded guilty to one count of money laundering and one count of failing to file an IRS form after it was learned that he had been the “house counsel” for three drug organizatons, including the massive Donna-based drug-distributing network of Ramon “El Lechero” Martinez.

On July 27 Marmolejo joined their corrupt ranks. The Laredo jury found him guilty of eight counts of bribery, money laundering, and racketeering. For those who remembered the sheriff’s once-unassailable integrity, the implications of his demise were unbearably grim—so much so that many of his supporters chose to buy his ludicrous conspiracy theories rather than see the pressures of the Valley for what they were. Even those who had a stake in his conviction seemed to fall into brooding after the jury’s decision. “The temptations must have been unbelievable,” said IRS special agent John Trevino, one of the most active federal agents in the Marmolejo investigation. “Over the years, I’m sure the offers kept coming until finally the sheriff couldn’t pass up the chance.” Added former assistant U.S. attorney Jack Wolfe, who once prosecuted Homero Beltran, the drug trafficker who bribed Marmolejo: “I have a real feeling of empathy for Brig now.”

This was not just one sheriff’s story, after all. It was the story of borders easily crossed, of temptations ferried and ethics bartered. It was the ageless parable of the Rio Grande Valley.

Life is short. Embrac

 

[skews13]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

For the same reason as the bloated Pentagon money, and private prison money.

Kick backs.

 

[kyzr]

The border sheriffs don`t want a wall.
Texas Border Sheriffs: There is No Crisis and We Don’t Want Trump’s Wall

There is a townhall on FXN in a few minutes on the border wall in Texas. Should be good.

 

[leecross]

To a wealthy egomaniac like Trump too much is never enough especially if it's someone else's money.

No one does more to make your life as safe and healthy and comfortable and prosperous and stable and well functioning as President Trump.

I am not a moral or regularly religious man, but if I was, (as John Adams said the Constitution was only capable of governing) I would not stand idly by and allow you to take unchallenged whacks at the President and discourage support for him.

It is what the enemies of America need us to do so that others will join in with what they believe is harmless fun. Like a football rivalry.

It is much more serioys than that.

It is how Jihad has worked to gain so much land and so many converts in 1400 years.

If we all stop supporting the President and the Dems are able to get enough support to depose the President, all the bad guys would benefit and make progress in achieving their goal to take control of the American people.

We know that there is a Grand Jihad afoot in America to supplant tbe Constitution with Sharia law.

And every criticism whether by a Jihadist or Communist or fun loving college student or hard working factory worker, is seen by others and encourages them to bash the President, too.

The danger is that we dont know how many will or wont take him down, but we know human weakness and that some people who currently support DJT will eventually succumb to constant negative messages about the president and may start thinking negatively about him.

And the next step is to join in the criticisms and there starts a new source of bashing.

So, we must protect the Presidency if the President is to continue working for us.

Therefore, according to the Crossfield Memo, anyone who posts like America's enemies may be treated like an enemy.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

With a wall, that could be reduced. Dems want agents risking their lives chasing the trespassers all over the border

 

[Flopper]

Dems say that they are for more drones and high-tech, etc., but if we don't have the agents to apprehend, then all we have is alot of video.
A wall/barrier/fence will chokepoint incursions and insure that we have the agents to do most of the apprehensions.
It's not rocket science, folks!

We have a lot of agents and Trump wants that number nearly doubled. It seems to me what is needed listening interviews with the border patrol is monitoring for intrusion. If you know where the intrusion is then it's a matter of getting to that point fast enough.

IMHO, the type of border barriers should be dependent on terrain. Obviously building a wall where you have a good natural barrier is not the way to go and neither is putting a chain link fence beside high density neighborhood. Regardless of the barrier type, it is only a means of slowing down the intruder. So if you have the right kind of barrier and monitoring then the border patrol becomes much more effective.

Even if you have the right kind barriers and sufficient border patrol, you will still have large numbers of migrants entering the country.

 

[bripat9643]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

I know right? They all work 24 hours a day 7 days a week with no sick leave time off and no supervisors and no sleep!

With 3 shifts, it's 6 agents per mile, assume supervision and administration and we end up with say 5 agents per mile. Of course as you pointed out we have 1300 miles of natural border which should require less patrolling.

But they are not necessarily dispersed along a straight line, they may be covering a deep zone along that line.
For one thing, one of the problems is tunneling under the wall and how far into US territory do their tunnels run?
all that ground needs to be covered.
Another thing is , Smugglers and cartels can use mexican civilians as diversions when they want to move something important across the border. Simply send a couple hundred across to tie up border agents while they are moving somewhere else.
If Border agents are requesting more people, there may be a good reason for it.

If we had a wall, they would be right on the border. coverage in depth is necessary only when you have porous border.

 

[bripat9643]

Dems say that they are for more drones and high-tech, etc., but if we don't have the agents to apprehend, then all we have is alot of video.
A wall/barrier/fence will chokepoint incursions and insure that we have the agents to do most of the apprehensions.
It's not rocket science, folks!

We have a lot of agents and Trump wants that number nearly doubled. It seems to me what is needed listening interviews with the border patrol is monitoring for intrusion. If you know where the intrusion is then it's a matter of getting to that point fast enough.

IMHO, the type of border barriers should be dependent on terrain. Obviously building a wall where you have a good natural barrier is not the way to go and neither is putting a chain link fence beside high density neighborhood. Regardless of the barrier type, it is only a means of slowing down the intruder. So if you have the right kind of barrier and monitoring then the border patrol becomes much more effective.

Even if you have the right kind barriers and sufficient border patrol, you will still have large numbers of migrants entering the country.

What we need is a wall.

 

[leecross]

Dems say that they are for more drones and high-tech, etc., but if we don't have the agents to apprehend, then all we have is alot of video.
A wall/barrier/fence will chokepoint incursions and insure that we have the agents to do most of the apprehensions.
It's not rocket science, folks!

We have a lot of agents and Trump wants that number nearly doubled. It seems to me what is needed listening interviews with the border patrol is monitoring for intrusion. If you know where the intrusion is then it's a matter of getting to that point fast enough.

IMHO, the type of border barriers should be dependent on terrain. Obviously building a wall where you have a good natural barrier is not the way to go and neither is putting a chain link fence beside high density neighborhood. Regardless of the barrier type, it is only a means of slowing down the intruder. So if you have the right kind of barrier and monitoring then the border patrol becomes much more effective.

Even if you have the right kind barriers and sufficient border patrol, you will still have large numbers of migrants entering the country.

You should learn from history.

LBJ ran the VietNam War from the Oval Office instead of finding out what the boots on the ground (including the combat as well as the intel officers) needed and wanted and recommended and then stepping back and letting them win the war.

Pres. Trump is doing what LBJ should have done in Vietnam.

You sound like LBJ.

 

[Flopper]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

Wit a wall, that could be reduced. Dems want agents risking their lives chasing th3 trespassers all over the border

Keep in mind the actual US border is not 2000 miles, but over 10,000 miles.

 

[BluesLegend]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

You realize there's over 20 MILLION illegals in our country, based on that we need a LOT more border patrol agents to stop the invasion.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

Wit a wall, that could be reduced. Dems want agents risking their lives chasing th3 trespassers all over the border

Keep in mind the actual US border is not 2000 miles, but over 10,000 miles.

The real problem is the southern border. First things first.

 

[candycorn]

Build the damn wall.

As soon as Mexico sends the money

 

[candycorn]

Dems say that they are for more drones and high-tech, etc., but if we don't have the agents to apprehend, then all we have is alot of video.
A wall/barrier/fence will chokepoint incursions and insure that we have the agents to do most of the apprehensions.
It's not rocket science, folks!

We have a lot of agents and Trump wants that number nearly doubled. It seems to me what is needed listening interviews with the border patrol is monitoring for intrusion. If you know where the intrusion is then it's a matter of getting to that point fast enough.

IMHO, the type of border barriers should be dependent on terrain. Obviously building a wall where you have a good natural barrier is not the way to go and neither is putting a chain link fence beside high density neighborhood. Regardless of the barrier type, it is only a means of slowing down the intruder. So if you have the right kind of barrier and monitoring then the border patrol becomes much more effective.

Even if you have the right kind barriers and sufficient border patrol, you will still have large numbers of migrants entering the country.

What we need is a wall.

As soon as Mexico sends the money.