Why is simple arithmetic so hard for many people???

[healthmyths]

Obama said:"We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children,"

GIVEN: Census bureau says 10 million of the 46 million "uninsured' are not citizens… leaving 36 million…
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau

GIVEN: 14 million are eligible for Medicaid..but they are counted as "uninsured"…. leaving 22 million…
Source: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

GIVEN:18 million counted as 'Uninsured" make over $50,000, are under 34 and pay an average of $1,000 a year out of pocket instead of taking employers insurance.
Source: CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009

That leaves 4 million truly uninsured that need coverage. 98.7% ARE covered.. of those that want coverage.
So do you believe there are 46 million "UNINSURED as Obama used to pass Obamacare?
Is it right that these 4 million that truly need coverage because many of you defend ambulance chasing millionaire lawyers?
You have no problem with tanning salons being taxed 10% because they cause cancer!
YET you defenders of millionaire lawyers don't want a 10% tax on their $200 billion a year which could provide a $4,000 a year premium for the truly
4 million uninsured that want insurance?
YOU people would refuse 4 million people coverage in order to defend millionaire lawyers??
What is this world coming to that you have NO compassion for those that don't have insurance!

AND at the same time YOU encourage hospitals to mark up sometimes 6,000% the claims sent to Medicare/insurance companies to cover expenses of the uninsured?

Are you people not only inept at arithmetic but heartless and cruel while defending the millionaire ambulance chasing lawyers that are the direct cause for
over $850 billion a year in needless duplicate test,etc. "DEFENSIVE MEDICINE"???


In a recent Gallup survey, physicians attributed 34 percent of overall healthcare costs to defensive medicine and 21 percent of their practice to be defensive in nature. Specifically, they estimated that 35 percent of diagnostic tests, 29 percent of lab tests, 19 percent of hospitalizations, 14 percent of prescriptions, and 8 percent of surgeries were performed to avoid lawsuits.

Liability reform has been estimated to result in anywhere from a 5 percent to a 34 percent reduction in medical expenditures by reducing defensive medicine practices, with estimates of savings from $54 billion to $650 billion.

FOLKS simple math: Current health care expenditures $2.5 trillion.
34% of the $2.5 trillion according to the experts is due to "defensive medicine" OR $850 BILLION a year!

 

[Mr. H.]

Liberals don't use simple math.
They use the broad stroke method. Sweep the majority under the rug for the sake of the minority.

 

[healthmyths]

Liberals don't use simple math.
They use the broad stroke method. Sweep the majority under the rug for the sake of the minority.

The point is EVERYONE without thinking uses Obama's 46 million to 50 million number!
And they don't seem to know that the really true number of people THAT TRULY NEED health insurance is less then 5 million!
14 million who say they are uninsured CAN BE with Medicaid!
10 million are not citizens and
18 million don't WANT insurance.

But they are all counted and that is simply wrong!!!

 

[Clementine]

And for that 5 million, the entire country will be paying triple what they are now for health insurance. Big Pharms will benefit as will the government. There are so damn many new taxes hidden in the health care bill, it's sickening. And they will have real time access to our money- all of our money, including savings, retirement and checking. And they do have the ability to take money, though we are supposed to trust them not to. Yea, right.

Small businesses will get hit the hardest with the new taxes. More jobs are going away. Obamacare is nothing but a job killing bill that transfers a lot more power over the people to government. It's not about health care and never was.

 

[Darkwind]

You are far too late. I made these arguments before this disaster was passed.


It falls in the deaf because the people who support this monstrosity do so out of fear and party loyalty.

I'm tired of beating them over the head with the truth only to have them spout more lies.

Let them die at the hands of their government.

 

[Interpol]

This whole thread is a huge dispatch from the bubble created by the paranoid fringe on the right.

I'm sorry to have to say that, but it's true.

"Tort Reform" as it's called by politicians accounts for less than 1% of the entire budget. The BIG BOLD NUMBERS on what medical liability reform costs in the OP's post are made up, probably from a retarded right-wing blog somewhere that invents its own facts, just like the sites that said Obama took 34 battleships on his trip to Indonesia and that the trip costed a few hundred billion dollars.

The CBO and other organizations all show that Obamacare has helped to slow the growth of healthcare spending, thus slowing the growth of our debt.

This fiscal year alone we're going to have a yearly deficit that is now less than half of what it was 5 years ago.

We can actually see and measure these things out here in the real world.

When someone tells you that Obamacare is "job killing", you simply must interrupt that person and say, "No, it is not".

Obamacare is here to stay, and a good deal of it is actually pretty common sense stuff. It's not perfect, but it's actually better than going back to what we had 5 years ago.

And it's not even socialist health care. All the crazies do is tell us that, and then we look into it and we see how distorted that claim is. It's still a private system, except the government is getting the middle man between you and your healthcare--your insurance company--to actually have to spend some money treating you retarded people.

That old expression still rings true, "If you want to live like a Republican, vote for a Democrat".

 

[Darkwind]

This whole thread is a huge dispatch from the bubble created by the paranoid fringe on the right.

I'm sorry to have to say that, but it's true.

"Tort Reform" as it's called by politicians accounts for less than 1% of the entire budget. The BIG BOLD NUMBERS on what medical liability reform costs in the OP's post are made up, probably from a retarded right-wing blog somewhere that invents its own facts, just like the sites that said Obama took 34 battleships on his trip to Indonesia and that the trip costed a few hundred billion dollars.

The CBO and other organizations all show that Obamacare has helped to slow the growth of healthcare spending, thus slowing the growth of our debt.

This fiscal year alone we're going to have a yearly deficit that is now less than half of what it was 5 years ago.

We can actually see and measure these things out here in the real world.

When someone tells you that Obamacare is "job killing", you simply must interrupt that person and say, "No, it is not".

Obamacare is here to stay, and a good deal of it is actually pretty common sense stuff. It's not perfect, but it's actually better than going back to what we had 5 years ago.

And it's not even socialist health care. All the crazies do is tell us that, and then we look into it and we see how distorted that claim is. It's still a private system, except the government is getting the middle man between you and your healthcare--your insurance company--to actually have to spend some money treating you retarded people.

That old expression still rings true, "If you want to live like a Republican, vote for a Democrat".

Wow, your entire reply is nothing more than lies. I wouldn't have thought someone would have so blatantly put them all out there in one outing.

Well done.

 

[ScienceRocks]

This society is fucked. They hear free shit=forgets how to do basic math! Free shit is like putting cat nip in front of a cat to people!

 

[francoHFW]

OP- same old Pubcrappe- the Census Bureau calls BULLSHYTTE. and thanks to the GOP, the 10 million illegals count.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Why is the insurance rate going up. It's costing a lot more.

 

[LoudMcCloud]

They are getting the right fuel to learn. They eat junk food all day and never get real calories and or vitamins. They are part of negative eugenics.

 

[rdean]

The number one cause of bankruptcy are medical bills.

Republicans want to keep it that way.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Some knothead a couple of weeks ago was saying students don't need to learn fractions.

 

[LoudMcCloud]

People think that putting shitty food in their body doesnt make them stupid as a stupid does. It makes you stupid.

 

[ScienceRocks]

OP- same old Pubcrappe- the Census Bureau calls BULLSHYTTE. and thanks to the GOP, the 10 million illegals count.

 

[alan1]

Not a single dissenting opinion has a link to back up their opposing viewpoint.
The OP cites facts and provides links.
The opposing lefties cite personal opinion and no facts. Kind of like the president, the crappy congress and the worthless media did while ramming this garbage up the American people's asses. I didn't even get a reach-around.

 

[healthmyths]

THANK YOU!

This is so obvious I guess it is overlooked kind of like the truck stuck under the bridge and all the experts making all sorts of exotic solutions when a little kid says:
"let some air out of the tires"!
So too here! Simple question of really HOW MANY are truly uninsured and that want to be!

In the case of the 18 million that WANT but CAN afford but don't NEED to spend as they are under 34 and making over $50K/

Some I'm sure have catastrophic insurance. Some may have HSAs which aren't counted as being insured.

Which BY THE WAY Obamacare is making harder to get as this article states:

"HSAs currently allow individuals to control their health care costs by paying for deductibles and routine medical expenses with tax-free dollars set aside in an HSA, reserving use of health insurance for major medical events. Patients have realized significant savings through use of this strategy because insurance companies have been able to offer high-deductible health plans (HDHPs) with low premiums for patients willing to fund routine health expenses independently. The PPACA threatens this approach by imposing minimum reimbursement rates on all health insurance plans—ensuring that premiums for HDHPs will increase when the new law becomes fully effective."
source:HSAs Losing Luster Under Obamacare

So subtracting 10 million non-citizens, 14 million eligible(with 10 million now enrolled!) - but enrolled, and the above 18 million..there are less then
5 million truly uninsured!

 

[Rozman]

Just like the Democrats saying 170 million people will lose their jobs because of sequestration.

 

[Rozman]

The Democrats pushed a whole lot of BS and they got away with it.
Does anyone think the Liberal run so called journalists dug into Obamacare?
They pushed it through.

 

[healthmyths]

No question when the editor of Newsweek once said:

Well, our job is to bash the president, that's what we do." --
Evan Thomas responding to a question on whether the media's unfair to Bush on the TV talk show Inside Washington,
February 2, 2007.Newsweek's Evan Thomas: 'Our Job Is To Bash the President' | NewsBusters

OK Mr. Thomas that sounds about right FAIR and Balanced Right ! Objective reporting!

So what about Obama.. Mr. Bush Bashing Editor of NewsWeek just doing your job...

I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God."
Evan Thomas on Hardball, June 5, 2009.
Newsweek?s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ?Sort of God? | NewsBusters

Or recently this "reporter"...
MSNBC host Chris Matthews just can’t say enough nice things about President Obama.
Already remembered for 2008 remarks about Mr. Obama’s speech sending a “thrill” up his leg, Mr. Matthews has now suggested the president may be “the perfect American.”