Why I’m a white, straight, male, Christian Liberal...

[Jitss617]

I'm a conservative because I believe people should take care of themselves and their families.

Churches and charities can take care of those who can't take care of themselves.

Government should butt out of the charity business.

You don’t do everything on your own. You didn’t fight off the Nazis nor build the roads in your town. That was a collective community of people you don’t know. As a member of that community do you not have any responsibilities to each other?

When the money runs out what do you do with us?

That’s not a real question. Be smarter. Debate meaningfully.

Answer the question! Expose your hate

 

[WelfareQueen]

You want an education? Work for it. I did. You want healthcare? Ditto

If it’s about work how do you explain the fact that 78% or children in the top quintile of income families go to college but only 28% of the lowest income quintile? It’s not about working hard it’s about being born into a wealthy family. Yes you can find exceptions - it’s 28% not zero percent - but at the end of the day who your born to in this country determine your outcome more than how hard you work. Thats not American idealism.

Don't begrudge people who have been successful in life. They are successful almost always because of hard work, talent, and brains.

If you want good things in life take the necessary steps to make it happen. If you have nothing, if you are a failure, you have no one to blame but yourself.

I went to Graduate School. I paid every penny. I worked night shifts in a hospital to get through school. I pretty much didn't sleep for three years. As a result I had a good career and made good money. I worked for what I have.

Many have more than me. I say good for them. They were either smarter, hard harder, or had more talent than me. I do not begrudge them their success. Neither should you.

 

[citygator]

Well deregulate and allow the poor and ordinary to work

Deregulation leads to worker abuse. Look at how industries have gone as labor has become unorganized and regulations have relaxed. Minimum wages are at an all time low in real dollars. Profits over people rules the day. You need more not less regulation right now.

 

[citygator]

You want an education? Work for it. I did. You want healthcare? Ditto

If it’s about work how do you explain the fact that 78% or children in the top quintile of income families go to college but only 28% of the lowest income quintile? It’s not about working hard it’s about being born into a wealthy family. Yes you can find exceptions - it’s 28% not zero percent - but at the end of the day who your born to in this country determine your outcome more than how hard you work. Thats not American idealism.

Don't begrudge people who have been successful in life. They are successful almost always because of hard work, talent, and brains.

If you want good things in life take the necessary steps to make it happen. If you have nothing, if you are a failure, you have no one to blame but yourself.

I went to Graduate School. I paid every penny. I worked night shifts in a hospital to get through school. I pretty much didn't sleep for three years. As a result I had a good career and made good money. I worked for what I have.

Many have more than me. I say good for them. They were either smarter, hard harder, or had more talent than me. I do not begrudge them their success. Neither should you.

You skipped over my acknowledgement that there are always individuals who make it out but the statistics don’t lie. 28% of poor vs 78% of rich families go to college. That is a huge difference driven by your station in life not your effort. Surely you can see that?

 

[gipper]

Yes, I’m a white, straight, male, Christian liberal and here is why I am liberal.

1. I believe a country should take care of its weakest members. A country cannot call itself civilized when its children, disabled, sick, and elderly are neglected. Period.

2. I believe healthcare is a right, not a privilege. Doesn’t mean Obamacare is the “end-all, be-all” but I have yet to hear an argument that "letting people die because they can't afford healthcare" is a better alternative. Hospitals treat emergencies even if victims can’t pay today, yet we won’t treat victims before they need emergency care unless they can afford it? How does that make sense?

3. I believe education should be affordable and accessible to everyone. It doesn't have to be free but 78% of kids from the highest income quintile attend college vs 28% from the lowest income quintile. Your parents wealth should not limit your educational attainment.

4. I don't believe your money should be taken from you and given to people who don't want to work. I have literally never encountered anyone who believes this. Ever. I just have a massive moral problem with a society where a handful of people possess all of the wealth. The top 1% own 30% of everything and the top 10% own 70% which is a historic imbalance. The richest 400 Americans own more than the bottom 150 million. Fair wages, lower housing costs, universal healthcare, affordable education, and the wealthy actually paying their share would go a long way toward alleviating this. Somehow believing that makes me a communist to righties.

5. I believe companies should be required to pay their employees a decent, livable wage. Somehow this is also interpreted as communism even though a livable wage was a capitalism reality 50 years ago for blue collar Americans. Neither minimum wages nor overall wages have kept up with inflation.

6. I am not anti-Christian. Like I said, I am a Christian. All I ask is that non-Christians be allowed to be non-Christians if they want. Let’s all do our own thing without the government playing favorites.

7. I don't believe LGBT people should have more rights than you. I just believe they should have the *same* rights as you.

8. I don't believe in open borders just because I don’t think the answer is a 1,000 mile 50 ft high concrete wall. I believe in compassion for qualified asylum seekers and a solution for DACA and Dreamers. I believe there are far more humane ways to handle undocumented immigration than our current practices (i.e., detaining children, splitting up families, ending DACA, etc). Illegal immigrants are not qualified for welfare already so stop with the scare tactics.

9. I don't believe the government should regulate everything, but since greed is such a driving force in our country, we NEED regulations to prevent cutting corners, environmental destruction, tainted food/water, unsafe materials in consumable goods or medical equipment, etc. Just kind of seems like common sense when the alternative to government regulation is companies having their bottom line drive safety decisions.

10. I believe systemic racism and misogyny in our society exists and needs to be addressed so we can start dismantling everything that's causing people to be marginalized.

11. I am not interested in coming after your guns. What I am interested in is sensible policies, which is mostly background checks and a provision for those in mental health crises.

12. I do believe there is a place for so-called political correctness which I prefer to think of as social politeness. If I call you Charles and you say you prefer to be called Chuck I’ll call you Chuck. It’s the polite thing to do.

So, I'm a liberal.

(I didn't write the above from scratch but majorly edited a similar post to reflect my personal beliefs. Please feel free to do the same with this post).

This sounds to me "well I kinda think this, but then there's that.". Basically wishy washy crap. (No offense).

America was founded on individual liberty and responsibility. It is very simple. Your life is what you make it. if you're a loser and a fuck up look in the mirror. Pretty simple.

You have the right to your life, your freedom, and your pursuit of happiness. The government doesn't owe you shit but those three things and the promises made in the bill of rights and constitution.

You want an education? Work for it. I did. You want healthcare? Ditto. Make your life what you want it to be. No body owes you a damn thing. Once you understand that, and that the Government is not your friend but a necessary evil, you will fully have your head out of your ass and can have a fullfilled life.

You’re dreaming. We are way passed that.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Well deregulate and allow the poor and ordinary to work

Deregulation leads to worker abuse. Look at how industries have gone as labor has become unorganized and regulations have relaxed. Minimum wages are at an all time low in real dollars. Profits over people rules the day. You need more not less regulation right now.

Regulation drains 3 trillion dollars a years off of our GDP. Regulation is necessary, but it comes at a huge cost. Who should pay that cost in your opinion?

 

[Jitss617]

Well deregulate and allow the poor and ordinary to work

Deregulation leads to worker abuse. Look at how industries have gone as labor has become unorganized and regulations have relaxed. Minimum wages are at an all time low in real dollars. Profits over people rules the day. You need more not less regulation right now.

Min wage abuses ppl today, immigration lowers our wages, destroys black communities.. that’s abuse.. answer some questions coward

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Yes, I’m a white, straight, male, Christian liberal and here is why I am liberal.

1. I believe a country should take care of its weakest members. A country cannot call itself civilized when its children, disabled, sick, and elderly are neglected. Period.

2. I believe healthcare is a right, not a privilege. Doesn’t mean Obamacare is the “end-all, be-all” but I have yet to hear an argument that "letting people die because they can't afford healthcare" is a better alternative. Hospitals treat emergencies even if victims can’t pay today, yet we won’t treat victims before they need emergency care unless they can afford it? How does that make sense?

3. I believe education should be affordable and accessible to everyone. It doesn't have to be free but 78% of kids from the highest income quintile attend college vs 28% from the lowest income quintile. Your parents wealth should not limit your educational attainment.

4. I don't believe your money should be taken from you and given to people who don't want to work. I have literally never encountered anyone who believes this. Ever. I just have a massive moral problem with a society where a handful of people possess all of the wealth. The top 1% own 30% of everything and the top 10% own 70% which is a historic imbalance. The richest 400 Americans own more than the bottom 150 million. Fair wages, lower housing costs, universal healthcare, affordable education, and the wealthy actually paying their share would go a long way toward alleviating this. Somehow believing that makes me a communist to righties.

5. I believe companies should be required to pay their employees a decent, livable wage. Somehow this is also interpreted as communism even though a livable wage was a capitalism reality 50 years ago for blue collar Americans. Neither minimum wages nor overall wages have kept up with inflation.

6. I am not anti-Christian. Like I said, I am a Christian. All I ask is that non-Christians be allowed to be non-Christians if they want. Let’s all do our own thing without the government playing favorites.

7. I don't believe LGBT people should have more rights than you. I just believe they should have the *same* rights as you.

8. I don't believe in open borders just because I don’t think the answer is a 1,000 mile 50 ft high concrete wall. I believe in compassion for qualified asylum seekers and a solution for DACA and Dreamers. I believe there are far more humane ways to handle undocumented immigration than our current practices (i.e., detaining children, splitting up families, ending DACA, etc). Illegal immigrants are not qualified for welfare already so stop with the scare tactics.

9. I don't believe the government should regulate everything, but since greed is such a driving force in our country, we NEED regulations to prevent cutting corners, environmental destruction, tainted food/water, unsafe materials in consumable goods or medical equipment, etc. Just kind of seems like common sense when the alternative to government regulation is companies having their bottom line drive safety decisions.

10. I believe systemic racism and misogyny in our society exists and needs to be addressed so we can start dismantling everything that's causing people to be marginalized.

11. I am not interested in coming after your guns. What I am interested in is sensible policies, which is mostly background checks and a provision for those in mental health crises.

12. I do believe there is a place for so-called political correctness which I prefer to think of as social politeness. If I call you Charles and you say you prefer to be called Chuck I’ll call you Chuck. It’s the polite thing to do.

So, I'm a liberal.

(I didn't write the above from scratch but majorly edited a similar post to reflect my personal beliefs. Please feel free to do the same with this post).

Cause you appreciate a good pegging.

 

[WelfareQueen]

You want an education? Work for it. I did. You want healthcare? Ditto

If it’s about work how do you explain the fact that 78% or children in the top quintile of income families go to college but only 28% of the lowest income quintile? It’s not about working hard it’s about being born into a wealthy family. Yes you can find exceptions - it’s 28% not zero percent - but at the end of the day who your born to in this country determine your outcome more than how hard you work. Thats not American idealism.

Don't begrudge people who have been successful in life. They are successful almost always because of hard work, talent, and brains.

If you want good things in life take the necessary steps to make it happen. If you have nothing, if you are a failure, you have no one to blame but yourself.

I went to Graduate School. I paid every penny. I worked night shifts in a hospital to get through school. I pretty much didn't sleep for three years. As a result I had a good career and made good money. I worked for what I have.

Many have more than me. I say good for them. They were either smarter, hard harder, or had more talent than me. I do not begrudge them their success. Neither should you.

You skipped over my acknowledgement that there are always individuals who make it out but the statistics don’t lie. 28% of poor vs 78% of rich families go to college. That is a huge difference driven by your station in life not your effort. Surely you can see that?

False assumption. Does poverty drive lack of education or does lack of education drive poverty? In social research it is called an arrow issue. I know which way the arrow points in this issue, do you?

 

[citygator]

Regulation drains 3 trillion dollars a years off of our GDP. Regulation is necessary, but it comes at a huge cost. Who should pay that cost in your opinion?

That’s a meaningless statistic. Regulation drains it where? It’s cheaper to dump sewage on your lawn. Is that a drain on GDP to require you to pay to remove your sewage to a treatment plant?? Come in.

 

[Jitss617]

Regulation drains 3 trillion dollars a years off of our GDP. Regulation is necessary, but it comes at a huge cost. Who should pay that cost in your opinion?

That’s a meaningless statistic. Regulation drains it where? It’s cheaper to dump sewage on your lawn. Is that a drain on GDP to require you to pay to remove your sewage to a treatment plant?? Come in.

Lol you care about the environment but snip then neck of living babies .. seriously who are you talking to

 

[buttercup]

We are upside down bigly on wealth equity. This nation won’t survive a handful of people owning everything and all others fighting for scraps. It’s a recipe for disaster. You’re smart enough to read trends and graphs. It doesn’t end well.

I agree, but what you don't get is that the powers-that-shouldn't-be want MORE of that, they are purposely destroying the middle class and taking us all toward an unfree system, where the masses of people are equally poor, with no opportunity to rise up, while the oligarchs at the top live like kings.

What you want is NOT going to bring about the results you want, it's going to do the exact opposite.

Why do you think they're shutting down all the mom and pop stores and small businesses, while letting the big corporations continue on, making a killing? They have been intentionally destroying the free market and livelihood of millions of people, to create dependency on the government.

When you have time, watch this video. It's about technocracy, which is part of what is coming.

 

[citygator]

False assumption. Does poverty drive lack of education or does lack of education drive poverty? In social research it is called an arrow issue. I know which way the arrow points in this issue, do you

Kind of but no. Your college chances are driven by your parents income. But yes, after your parents couldn’t afford to send you to college now you don’t have money to send yours.. statistically in meaningful numbers. I know all you poor ass people climbed out of the gutter to go to Harvard but that isn’t what happens broadly. We need to level the field. Tilt it towards some and yes, away from others.

 

[WelfareQueen]

You want an education? Work for it. I did. You want healthcare? Ditto

If it’s about work how do you explain the fact that 78% or children in the top quintile of income families go to college but only 28% of the lowest income quintile? It’s not about working hard it’s about being born into a wealthy family. Yes you can find exceptions - it’s 28% not zero percent - but at the end of the day who your born to in this country determine your outcome more than how hard you work. Thats not American idealism.

Don't begrudge people who have been successful in life. They are successful almost always because of hard work, talent, and brains.

If you want good things in life take the necessary steps to make it happen. If you have nothing, if you are a failure, you have no one to blame but yourself.

I went to Graduate School. I paid every penny. I worked night shifts in a hospital to get through school. I pretty much didn't sleep for three years. As a result I had a good career and made good money. I worked for what I have.

Many have more than me. I say good for them. They were either smarter, hard harder, or had more talent than me. I do not begrudge them their success. Neither should you.

You skipped over my acknowledgement that there are always individuals who make it out but the statistics don’t lie. 28% of poor vs 78% of rich families go to college. That is a huge difference driven by your station in life not your effort. Surely you can see that?

I will help you out. The largest variable in determining poverty and lack of education is low I.Q. Period. It is not race, or gender, and anything else.

The data shows regardless of race those one standard deviation above the norm in I.Q. (116 or above) have over a 90% probability of obtaining at least a 4 year college degree. The odds of those folks living in poverty is virtually nil. And again, there is no statisically significant difference in race or gender. If you are smart in America you will be educated and make a good living almost always. If you are not you likely will struggle.

 

[citygator]

Lol you care about the environment but snip then neck of living babies .. seriously who are you talking to

You dodged my point I made to WQueen. I’m too smart to be distracted by deflection. Regulations was the topic on that line.

 

[Jitss617]

False assumption. Does poverty drive lack of education or does lack of education drive poverty? In social research it is called an arrow issue. I know which way the arrow points in this issue, do you

Kind of but no. Your college chances are driven by your parents income. But yes, after your parents couldn’t afford to send you to college now you don’t have money to send yours.. statistically in meaningful numbers. I know all you poor ass people climbed out of the gutter to go to Harvard but that isn’t what happens broadly. We need to level the field. Tilt it towards some and yes, away from others.

Poor blacks had 5 schools in the largest cites in the 1940’s they were extremely poor and tested just as well as rich whites.. go away with your fake news

 

[WelfareQueen]

Regulation drains 3 trillion dollars a years off of our GDP. Regulation is necessary, but it comes at a huge cost. Who should pay that cost in your opinion?

That’s a meaningless statistic. Regulation drains it where? It’s cheaper to dump sewage on your lawn. Is that a drain on GDP to require you to pay to remove your sewage to a treatment plant?? Come in.

Regulation cost money. That is a fact. Who pays? I cannot make this any simpler.

 

[WelfareQueen]

False assumption. Does poverty drive lack of education or does lack of education drive poverty? In social research it is called an arrow issue. I know which way the arrow points in this issue, do you

Kind of but no. Your college chances are driven by your parents income. But yes, after your parents couldn’t afford to send you to college now you don’t have money to send yours.. statistically in meaningful numbers. I know all you poor ass people climbed out of the gutter to go to Harvard but that isn’t what happens broadly. We need to level the field. Tilt it towards some and yes, away from others.

Your college chances are driven by your native ability. You think Leon from the hood with a 150 I.Q. is not going to College? In what universe? You seem like a decent guy but for christsakes use your brain. The smarter you are the more sought after you become by universities, employers, and all the rest.

 

[citygator]

You want an education? Work for it. I did. You want healthcare? Ditto

If it’s about work how do you explain the fact that 78% or children in the top quintile of income families go to college but only 28% of the lowest income quintile? It’s not about working hard it’s about being born into a wealthy family. Yes you can find exceptions - it’s 28% not zero percent - but at the end of the day who your born to in this country determine your outcome more than how hard you work. Thats not American idealism.

Don't begrudge people who have been successful in life. They are successful almost always because of hard work, talent, and brains.

If you want good things in life take the necessary steps to make it happen. If you have nothing, if you are a failure, you have no one to blame but yourself.

I went to Graduate School. I paid every penny. I worked night shifts in a hospital to get through school. I pretty much didn't sleep for three years. As a result I had a good career and made good money. I worked for what I have.

Many have more than me. I say good for them. They were either smarter, hard harder, or had more talent than me. I do not begrudge them their success. Neither should you.

You skipped over my acknowledgement that there are always individuals who make it out but the statistics don’t lie. 28% of poor vs 78% of rich families go to college. That is a huge difference driven by your station in life not your effort. Surely you can see that?

I will help you out. The largest variable in determining poverty and lack of education is low I.Q. Period. It is not race, or gender, and anything else.

The data shows regardless of race those one standard deviation above the norm in I.Q. (116 or above) have over a 90% probability of obtaining at least a 4 year college degree. The odds of those folks living in poverty is virtually nil. And again, there is no statisically significant difference in race or gender. If you are smart in America you and educated and make a good living almost always. If you are not you likely will struggle.

Your success is moderately affect by your intelligence. It is an effect but environmental factors weigh much heavier.

See here: brains are 21% of your outcome and can only explain less than half of the outcome.

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But a lot of other things also predict income. So, what’s the unique contribution of AFQT scores? More precisely, how much of the variability in income can they explain? Statisticians often answer this question by reporting a statistic called r-squared that varies from zero to one. In this analysis, zero means AFQT has no predictive power, while one would mean that someone’s income can be perfectly predicted by knowing their AFQT score. An r-squared of .5 would mean that half of the variation in income could be explained by knowing someone’s AFQT scores (or, less scientifically, half the time you can predict someone’s income by knowing how they did on the AFQT).

The data show that AFQT scores explain 21% of the variation in income between survey respondents. That translates to a correlation coefficient of .46.

Is that a large correlation? It depends upon your perspective. If your cup is half full, you can correctly point out that .46 rivals the largest observed correlations in social psychology, sociology, and other relevant fields. But if your cup is half empty, you’ll say that many things determine how much money people make, and smarts is only one of them.”

Can Intelligence Predict Income?

I sometimes encounter people I’ve come to think of as “IQ truthers.” IQ is the magic social science variable that explains virtually every observed correlation. Racial differences? The intergenerational transmission of wealth? The effects of parenting or family structure? All of it must boil...

ifstudies.org

 

[citygator]

Regulation drains 3 trillion dollars a years off of our GDP. Regulation is necessary, but it comes at a huge cost. Who should pay that cost in your opinion?

That’s a meaningless statistic. Regulation drains it where? It’s cheaper to dump sewage on your lawn. Is that a drain on GDP to require you to pay to remove your sewage to a treatment plant?? Come in.

Regulation cost money. That is a fact. Who pays? I cannot make this any simpler.

I showed you an example where crapping on your lawn cost less money than paying for sewage. Is your argument that crapping on your lawn is better for GDP? I can’t make it any simpler for you.