Why I will not now or ever advocate, argue for or endorse Trump

[eagle1462010]

Losing jobs and lowering our workers wages doesn't help America

Offshoring work doesn't cost net jobs. You keep ignoring my points on that consumers save money and US companies remain more competitive as opposed to foreign competitors. Both good for the economy. The end of blacksmiths was economically efficient.

And again, my property is not yours to do with as you see fit

We could continue our fight with opposing tax strategies again. You want some more of that............Maybe a VAT>

No, I support the Fair Tax. I believe you know that. I totally oppose a VAT. The whole point of the Fair Tax is to not drive economic decisions. VATS directly and strongly drive economic decisions by making it artificially cheaper to maintain less efficient operations in house to avoid the VAT. The Fair Tax doesn't have that problem

And I told you why I opposed the Fair Tax. especially those dumb ass gov't checks out the butt.

At least the VAT is self regulating because no one will try to eat anothers bill in business up the food chain.

It will increase the cost of everything we buy under either of those............but increasing the cost VIA TAX versus increasing the cost via TARIFF..........One is GOOD AND OTHER IS EVIL.

Both raise the price of goods and services. PERIOD. Both are Consumption Taxes. One might save some jobs, the other not so much............You are in favor of raising the prices of EVERYTHING in this country via TAXATION. At least if I raise prices via a Tariff, some companies might not leave.

Your property and me grabbing it..........Grab your ankles instead. You chose to leave this country and want a Free Pass back in I suggest you stay over there. You want your cake and eat it to while proposing massive taxation on the people of this country while you get to play overseas and pay nothing on the way back in.

No dice sister. Enjoy your stay overseas.

 

[kaz]

Both raise the price of goods and services. PERIOD.

The taxes you pay are already built into the prices of the products you buy, tom-ay-to, tom-ah-to.

You seriously think the customers of your business aren't paying your income tax when they buy your company's product? Tell me you realize they are

 

[eagle1462010]

Both raise the price of goods and services. PERIOD.

The taxes you pay are already built into the prices of the products you buy, tom-ay-to, tom-ah-to.

You seriously think the customers of your business aren't paying your income tax when they buy your company's product? Tell me you realize they are

Of course they do..............Just as I told you in the other discussion.

I agree with a simple Flat Tax. and I do agree with imposing Tariffs and getting out of the Free Trade Deals.

 

[2aguy]

Shipping our jobs overseas is not in the best interest of this country

Of course it is, when it's done by a private company with a free choice. That means it was economically more efficient. Which benefits our economy as a whole. And I continue to find it stunning how many conservatives believe it's a legitimate function of government to use force to make our choices for us. If I want to move the operations of my company offshore, it's none of your business to stop me. Set up your own company and keep your operations here.

I don't get what the rest of it has to do with what I'm arguing. I never said trade is totally free. But I want people who move us in the right direction, not the wrong one as Trump says he wants to do and make it less free

Will Trump actually act on his negotiating points......?

We know for sure that hilary will.....

of the two....if you support free trade...Trump is the better bet.........

 

[kaz]

Both raise the price of goods and services. PERIOD.

The taxes you pay are already built into the prices of the products you buy, tom-ay-to, tom-ah-to.

You seriously think the customers of your business aren't paying your income tax when they buy your company's product? Tell me you realize they are

Of course they do..............Just as I told you in the other discussion.

I agree with a simple Flat Tax. and I do agree with imposing Tariffs and getting out of the Free Trade Deals.

So let's think this through. You want a "flat tax." So you want companies to be taxed more the more people they have onshore and the more they pay those people. So companies that automate and have operations overseas get a tax break. That's what you want to incent, less hiring. And that makes sense how?

A fair tax taxes the source of the economy once and it doesn't discriminate against hirers like you want to do. But that makes less sense to you than disincenting companies from having US employees.

I understand. OK, I don't...

 

[eagle1462010]

Both raise the price of goods and services. PERIOD.

The taxes you pay are already built into the prices of the products you buy, tom-ay-to, tom-ah-to.

You seriously think the customers of your business aren't paying your income tax when they buy your company's product? Tell me you realize they are

Of course they do..............Just as I told you in the other discussion.

I agree with a simple Flat Tax. and I do agree with imposing Tariffs and getting out of the Free Trade Deals.

So let's think this through. You want a "flat tax." So you want companies to be taxed more the more people they have onshore and the more they pay those people. So companies that automate and have operations overseas get a tax break. That's what you want to incent, less hiring. And that makes sense how?

A fair tax taxes the source of the economy once and it doesn't discriminate against hirers like you want to do. But that makes less sense to you than disincenting companies from having US employees.

I understand. OK, I don't...

Whatever.........was that an attempt at semantics. The Flat Tax proposals are out there. Allows your Income to be taxed on a post card. You know the same thing Cruz has been saying. In his plan he lays out that tax as well. Then he proposes a VAT tax at 16%. You say you support Cruz. But say you don't support a Flat Tax, but hate the VAT, but want a Large Sales Tax.

Do you support the policies of the candidate you prescribe...............................

I'm not the one confused here. You are................have you ditched Cruz for his proposals............that you get so upset about when discussed.................BUT IT'S CRUZ OR NOTHING.

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[kaz]

Both raise the price of goods and services. PERIOD.

The taxes you pay are already built into the prices of the products you buy, tom-ay-to, tom-ah-to.

You seriously think the customers of your business aren't paying your income tax when they buy your company's product? Tell me you realize they are

Of course they do..............Just as I told you in the other discussion.

I agree with a simple Flat Tax. and I do agree with imposing Tariffs and getting out of the Free Trade Deals.

So let's think this through. You want a "flat tax." So you want companies to be taxed more the more people they have onshore and the more they pay those people. So companies that automate and have operations overseas get a tax break. That's what you want to incent, less hiring. And that makes sense how?

A fair tax taxes the source of the economy once and it doesn't discriminate against hirers like you want to do. But that makes less sense to you than disincenting companies from having US employees.

I understand. OK, I don't...

Whatever.........was that an attempt at semantics. The Flat Tax proposals are out there. Allows your Income to be taxed on a post card. You know the same thing Cruz has been saying. In his plan he lays out that tax as well. Then he proposes a VAT tax at 16%. You say you support Cruz. But say you don't support a Flat Tax, but hate the VAT, but want a Large Sales Tax.

Do you support the policies of the candidate you prescribe...............................

I'm not the one confused here. You are................have you ditched Cruz for his proposals............that you get so upset about when discussed.................BUT IT'S CRUZ OR NOTHING.

A VAT if it's implemented like the Fair Tax to replace all other taxes would be way better than we have now.

Is your standard really that you need to find a candidate though who agrees with you on everything?

 

[eagle1462010]

Both raise the price of goods and services. PERIOD.

The taxes you pay are already built into the prices of the products you buy, tom-ay-to, tom-ah-to.

You seriously think the customers of your business aren't paying your income tax when they buy your company's product? Tell me you realize they are

Of course they do..............Just as I told you in the other discussion.

I agree with a simple Flat Tax. and I do agree with imposing Tariffs and getting out of the Free Trade Deals.

So let's think this through. You want a "flat tax." So you want companies to be taxed more the more people they have onshore and the more they pay those people. So companies that automate and have operations overseas get a tax break. That's what you want to incent, less hiring. And that makes sense how?

A fair tax taxes the source of the economy once and it doesn't discriminate against hirers like you want to do. But that makes less sense to you than disincenting companies from having US employees.

I understand. OK, I don't...

Whatever.........was that an attempt at semantics. The Flat Tax proposals are out there. Allows your Income to be taxed on a post card. You know the same thing Cruz has been saying. In his plan he lays out that tax as well. Then he proposes a VAT tax at 16%. You say you support Cruz. But say you don't support a Flat Tax, but hate the VAT, but want a Large Sales Tax.

Do you support the policies of the candidate you prescribe...............................

I'm not the one confused here. You are................have you ditched Cruz for his proposals............that you get so upset about when discussed.................BUT IT'S CRUZ OR NOTHING.

A VAT if it's implemented like the Fair Tax to replace all other taxes would be way better than we have now.

Is your standard really that you need to find a candidate though who agrees with you on everything?

In regards to a Fair Tax it is a better plan. Because no company in the food chain to market is going to eat the taxes required to be payed in the producer below them in production. Which is why 158 countries in the world use it. But like any other tax it is far to easy to simply increase the rate for the gov't to spend more. And in those countries that is exactly what they have done. A VAT takes less Federal Employees to monitor it...............But it increases prices...............just as a Tariff does.


There is no candidate that I agree with completely. That is not possible and personally a stupid question. The establishment has been blocking these proposals forever, and will again block any off these from becoming law.

Out of the candidates.........Rand Paul was graded better by debt over time than the rest.
Carson did almost as well, and I stated that his plan needs a few points up to be revenue nuetral
Trump is speculated badly than the others on the stage. Cruz's scores badly.

The best plans were from those no longer in the race.

In regards to Trump.......Do you have to agree with everything he says to vote for him. No. He was never my first choice, but he is now the better choice to beat Hillary and prevent a 3rd term of Obama. Except for people like you.....Who will pick up your toys and walk away if you don't get what you want, guaranteeing a Hillary win.

 

[kaz]

There is no candidate that I agree with completely. That is not possible and personally a stupid question

that was my point, you said that about my supporting Cruz. You did say a lot of things I agree with though. And no, the Fair Tax isn't a solution to stopping government from raising tax rates

 

[eagle1462010]

There is no candidate that I agree with completely. That is not possible and personally a stupid question

that was my point, you said that about my supporting Cruz. You did say a lot of things I agree with though. And no, the Fair Tax isn't a solution to stopping government from raising tax rates

I have stated why I don't support Cruz. Specifically on that tax issue.

On the Robo calls who attacked my preferred candidate. On the Robo calls that attack Rubio in other states.

His wife's ties to Goldman Sachs who are so far up the establishments ass they are Nascar signs...............

WIth only 2 really in the race I made a choice. I chose Trump. It was not my first choice but don't take my toys and go home because he lost. What finally sold me on that choice was Jeff Sessions backing him.........Primarily on securing the border and stopping the TPP. I'm against Free Trade deals if you haven't figured that out yet. I'm against the TPP for the same reasons Jeff Sessions has been fighting against. Now corps can sue in the WTO against countries...............

This policy is BS, along with the WTO courts under NAFTA ordering us to change our very laws............

So those are selling points. Others end Inversion......lower corp rates and regulations. Guess who's saying that. Trump is saying that. Whether it's real or memorex is the ultimate question.

The career politicians haven't fixed the damn thing for over 3 decades and can't be trusted to fix the mess they corrected. So I'll go outside the box and hope it finally gets done. I'll take the chance and risk pandora's box for it. Because we are going down the rabbit hole and if we don't turn back now we will never get out of it.

That is why..................Jeff Sessions has been in private meetings with him. I trust Sessions. He didn't endorse him without studying him and asking him direct questions in private.

I'm voting for Trump. Should Cruz win I'll vote for him. If the GOP steals the election via convention I'M DONE WITH THE GOP. I'll register Independent immediately after. This is the people's choice not the establishments choice.

 

[kaz]

There is no candidate that I agree with completely. That is not possible and personally a stupid question

that was my point, you said that about my supporting Cruz. You did say a lot of things I agree with though. And no, the Fair Tax isn't a solution to stopping government from raising tax rates

I have stated why I don't support Cruz. Specifically on that tax issue.

On the Robo calls who attacked my preferred candidate. On the Robo calls that attack Rubio in other states.

His wife's ties to Goldman Sachs who are so far up the establishments ass they are Nascar signs...............

WIth only 2 really in the race I made a choice. I chose Trump. It was not my first choice but don't take my toys and go home because he lost. What finally sold me on that choice was Jeff Sessions backing him.........Primarily on securing the border and stopping the TPP. I'm against Free Trade deals if you haven't figured that out yet. I'm against the TPP for the same reasons Jeff Sessions has been fighting against. Now corps can sue in the WTO against countries...............

This policy is BS, along with the WTO courts under NAFTA ordering us to change our very laws............

So those are selling points. Others end Inversion......lower corp rates and regulations. Guess who's saying that. Trump is saying that. Whether it's real or memorex is the ultimate question.

The career politicians haven't fixed the damn thing for over 3 decades and can't be trusted to fix the mess they corrected. So I'll go outside the box and hope it finally gets done. I'll take the chance and risk pandora's box for it. Because we are going down the rabbit hole and if we don't turn back now we will never get out of it.

That is why..................Jeff Sessions has been in private meetings with him. I trust Sessions. He didn't endorse him without studying him and asking him direct questions in private.

I'm voting for Trump. Should Cruz win I'll vote for him. If the GOP steals the election via convention I'M DONE WITH THE GOP. I'll register Independent immediately after. This is the people's choice not the establishments choice.

I left the party about 1990. Voted Republican once for President since then. As for the taking my ball and going home, I've said I would vote for Rand, I would probably vote for Cruz, Rubio or Kasich. I would have considered others but they dropped out too early. In fact if it was my way or the highway, I'd have been gone when Rand dropped out, he was my first choice.

I don't have a lot of litmus tests. In fact my stated standard for Republicans is give me one reason to vote for you. A standard they consistently fail. However, stating as Trump repeatedly does that he's against free market capitalism is one litmus test I do have. And even that I don't hunt them down and figure out how they don't always support it or they'd all fail. But Trump actually keeps saying he's against free markets. Won't do it

 

[Cecilie1200]

I'm a free market capitalist. Right there, Trump is a non-starter

I counter your point with this....

if hilary wins she will appoint probably 3, maybe 4 Supreme Court justices......your free market capitalism will not survive 30 years of left wing, anti free market rulings.........

Trump...is 4 years and probably out....and possibly good justice picks......

hilary will be able to damage this country for 30 years with her court picks...

So I vote for Trump just hoping with his giving me no reason to believe so that he'll make better Supreme picks than Hillary? I need a little more than that

What, you don't think "Why the hell not? It could work" is an effective campaign slogan?

 

[Cecilie1200]

I'm a free market capitalist. Right there, Trump is a non-starter

Everyone's a free market capitalist – including Trump, Clinton, and Sanders.

What this actually means is that one is a naïve, sophomoric reactionary extremist with an unwarranted hostility toward necessary, proper, and Constitutional regulatory policy as authorized by the Commerce Clause, that one advocates for a wrongheaded, errant pre-Lochner economic regime, and that one harbors childish fantasies about returning to an idealized American past that never actually existed to begin with.

yep, socialists are free market capitalists too.

You're an idiot, clayton. No you're not a free market capitalist, you don't even know what it means. It's the opposite of socialism

If you believe in Free Market capitalism you need to see how much damage hilary will do.......4 years of Trump is nothing compared to that.

"You have to panic at the threat of Hillary and stampede into voting the way I want! Stop thinking so much!"

Can you prove that Donald Trump will be "nothing compared to Hillary", rather than being EXACTLY like Hillary, but with even less class?