Why Hillary will win in 2016

[Kondor3]

Why Hillary will win in 2016

because when she actually loses

the libtards will claim that losing is still a form of winning

--LOL

Or, to borrow a sarcastic line from George Carlin...

"She'd be the last winner..."

<snicker>

 

[rightwinger]

CNN Poll yesterday


Marco Rubio fares best against the former first lady, trailing Clinton by 14 points, 55% to 41%. Bush trails Clinton by 17 points, 56% to 39%. Christie and Paul fall 19 points behind Clinton, each putting up 39% to Clinton's 58%. Huckabee, Walker, Carson and Cruz each trail Clinton by more than 20 points

 

[Hossfly]

How about this?

Hill runs with Jebby as her VP and Jebby runs with Hill as his VP. A win-win for the State.

...and after all, since both parties are aligned, what difference does it make?

Only a scumbag thinks that a War Hero and the Lying Cocksucker in Chief are even remotely similar.

Only a scumbag thinks a truly good and decent man like Mitt Romney and the Lying Cocksucker are in any way kindred spirits.

Only a scumbag thinks that Ronald Reagan and Jimmy the peanut are the same.

Only a scumbag would think that Bill the rapist Clinton and George HW Bush are the on the same page.

Only a scumbag.

Only a scumbag

I hope the bull dyke doesn't catch AIDS from one of her floozies.

 

[candycorn]

...All one need do is spend 10 minutes on this forum to quickly realize that very few persons in the aggregate could formulate the mix of laws, regulations, free market capitalism, military and scientific investments that delivered this nation to where it is...

Law and regulations do not make an economy.

People do.

Laws and regulations do not make scientific progress.

People do.

Laws and regulations do not create a powerful military.

People do.

The People, God bless them.

If you consider yourself superior to The People, then you have lost your way as an American.

If you consider The People incapable of holding a place in our society superior to that of government, then you have lost your way as an American.

I'd vote for a professional politician over a regular working guy to represent me every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Are all of these people wonderful people? No. Are all regular guys and gals wonderful people? No.

Your vote creates (actually, too late now, but it helps perpetuate) a permanent Ruling Class within our Republic.

I do not share your perspective.

I do not share your perspective that John McCain, for one, is a member of a "permanent ruling class". Nor the Kennedys, Clintons or Bush families for that matter.

I look at it as a job interview. You hire a person to do a job--represent you in Congress. I'm happy to have people who are owed favors, willing to reach across the aisle, see the larger picture (at times) and have respect for the institution where they serve.

If you think that every 2 years someone from your hometown should get a chance to "go up there and see what they can do"....fine; you are entitled to your opinion. I'll stick with the the guy who is effective over the "golly gee whiz" type every day.

 

[Kondor3]

...All one need do is spend 10 minutes on this forum to quickly realize that very few persons in the aggregate could formulate the mix of laws, regulations, free market capitalism, military and scientific investments that delivered this nation to where it is...

Law and regulations do not make an economy.

People do.

Laws and regulations do not make scientific progress.

People do.

Laws and regulations do not create a powerful military.

People do.

The People, God bless them.

If you consider yourself superior to The People, then you have lost your way as an American.

If you consider The People incapable of holding a place in our society superior to that of government, then you have lost your way as an American.

I'd vote for a professional politician over a regular working guy to represent me every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Are all of these people wonderful people? No. Are all regular guys and gals wonderful people? No.

Your vote creates (actually, too late now, but it helps perpetuate) a permanent Ruling Class within our Republic.

I do not share your perspective.

I do not share your perspective that John McCain, for one, is a member of a "permanent ruling class". Nor the Kennedys, Clintons or Bush families for that matter.

I look at it as a job interview. You hire a person to do a job--represent you in Congress. I'm happy to have people who are owed favors, willing to reach across the aisle, see the larger picture (at times) and have respect for the institution where they serve.

If you think that every 2 years someone from your hometown should get a chance to "go up there and see what they can do"....fine; you are entitled to your opinion. I'll stick with the the guy who is effective over the "golly gee whiz" type every day.

Do we presently have a 'permanent Ruling Class'?

No.

Are we headed in that direction if we do not cease electing sons and brothers and spouses and children of other Presidents?

Quite possibly.

To my mind, it's not worth taking such a risk.

Nobody is saying that we need Joe the Plumber in Washington.

Folks with a modicum of higher education and insight into domestic and economic and foreign policy will do very nicely.

But, unlike you, I don't want them making a 30 or 40 year-long career out of it.

And I don't want their kids and siblings and spouses going to the head of the line, in vetting prospects for the next round of Public Servants.

I want folks with serviceable credentials to be continually gleaned from amongst The People, so that they REMAIN Public Servants, and not the precursors of a genuine Ruling Class that could surface over the next few generations if we do not take the longer-viewed approach and watch ourselves with respect to nepotism and family dynasties.

Do not make the mistake of believing that I want Joe the Plumber to represent me.

Then again, you knew that when you wrote what you did, didn't you?

What I want is for us to glean reasonably well-qualified candidates from amongst The People without resorting to these unimaginative Dynastic Name-Dropping exercises.

And, for the sake of our Republic and its long-term viability and political health, I sure-as-hell hope that we can avoid such a mistake, as continuing to create Dynasties.

That goes for Clinton AND Bush.

Better be sure you have another pitcher warming up in the bullpen.

 

[candycorn]

...All one need do is spend 10 minutes on this forum to quickly realize that very few persons in the aggregate could formulate the mix of laws, regulations, free market capitalism, military and scientific investments that delivered this nation to where it is...

Law and regulations do not make an economy.

People do.

Laws and regulations do not make scientific progress.

People do.

Laws and regulations do not create a powerful military.

People do.

The People, God bless them.

If you consider yourself superior to The People, then you have lost your way as an American.

If you consider The People incapable of holding a place in our society superior to that of government, then you have lost your way as an American.

I'd vote for a professional politician over a regular working guy to represent me every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Are all of these people wonderful people? No. Are all regular guys and gals wonderful people? No.

Your vote creates (actually, too late now, but it helps perpetuate) a permanent Ruling Class within our Republic.

I do not share your perspective.

I do not share your perspective that John McCain, for one, is a member of a "permanent ruling class". Nor the Kennedys, Clintons or Bush families for that matter.

I look at it as a job interview. You hire a person to do a job--represent you in Congress. I'm happy to have people who are owed favors, willing to reach across the aisle, see the larger picture (at times) and have respect for the institution where they serve.

If you think that every 2 years someone from your hometown should get a chance to "go up there and see what they can do"....fine; you are entitled to your opinion. I'll stick with the the guy who is effective over the "golly gee whiz" type every day.

Do we presently have a 'permanent Ruling Class'?

No.

Are we headed in that direction if we do not cease electing sons and brothers and spouses and children of other Presidents?

Quite possibly.

To my mind, it's not worth taking such a risk.

Nobody is saying that we need Joe the Plumber in Washington.

Folks with a modicum of higher education and insight into domestic and economic and foreign policy will do very nicely.

But, unlike you, I don't want them making a 30 or 40 year-long career out of it.

If they are good at it...why not? I don't know if it will surprise you or not but aside from the political appointees and the cabinet secretaries, a great many people at the departments superintended by those appointees and secretaries are just these types of people you say shouldn't be there--working sometimes up to 40 years for the State Department or the US Navy or NASA or VA.

Should we initiate career limits as well? If we're going to pick an arbitrary number when someone near the top is going to be forced out...why not force out the guys and gals who are below them?

And I don't want their kids and siblings and spouses going to the head of the line, in vetting prospects for the next round of Public Servants.

I want folks with serviceable credentials to be continually gleaned from amongst The People, so that they REMAIN Public Servants, and not the precursors of a genuine Ruling Class that could surface over the next few generations if we do not take the longer-viewed approach and watch ourselves with respect to nepotism and family dynasties.

Do not make the mistake of believing that I want Joe the Plumber to represent me.

Then again, you knew that when you wrote what you did, didn't you?

Not sure what you want or what you don't want.

For all of the bitching and moaning about government being intrusive and all of the yakity yak about federal dominance...it seems strange that we have some misguided fools asking for federal laws that TELL US WHO WE CAN'T VOTE FOR. I'm smart enough to decide for myself. I'm sorry you think you are not.

What I want is for us to glean reasonably well-qualified candidates from amongst The People without resorting to these unimaginative Dynastic Name-Dropping exercises.

And, for the sake of our Republic and its long-term viability and political health, I sure-as-hell hope that we can avoid such a mistake, as continuing to create Dynasties.

That goes for Clinton AND Bush.

Better be sure you have another pitcher warming up in the bullpen.

I will accept the verdict of the American people. We get the government we deserve.... Always have, always will.

 

[Kondor3]

...I will accept the verdict of the American people...

Smack-dab in the middle of a vast canyon of Difference... an island of Common Ground.

As those favoring 'professional politicians' and those decrying family-dynasties make their case to that same People.

 

[JimH52]

...All one need do is spend 10 minutes on this forum to quickly realize that very few persons in the aggregate could formulate the mix of laws, regulations, free market capitalism, military and scientific investments that delivered this nation to where it is...

Law and regulations do not make an economy.

People do.

Laws and regulations do not make scientific progress.

People do.

Laws and regulations do not create a powerful military.

People do.

The People, God bless them.

If you consider yourself superior to The People, then you have lost your way as an American.

If you consider The People incapable of holding a place in our society superior to that of government, then you have lost your way as an American.

I'd vote for a professional politician over a regular working guy to represent me every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Are all of these people wonderful people? No. Are all regular guys and gals wonderful people? No.

Your vote creates (actually, too late now, but it helps perpetuate) a permanent Ruling Class within our Republic.

I do not share your perspective.

I do not share your perspective that John McCain, for one, is a member of a "permanent ruling class". Nor the Kennedys, Clintons or Bush families for that matter.

I look at it as a job interview. You hire a person to do a job--represent you in Congress. I'm happy to have people who are owed favors, willing to reach across the aisle, see the larger picture (at times) and have respect for the institution where they serve.

If you think that every 2 years someone from your hometown should get a chance to "go up there and see what they can do"....fine; you are entitled to your opinion. I'll stick with the the guy who is effective over the "golly gee whiz" type every day.

Do we presently have a 'permanent Ruling Class'?

No.

Are we headed in that direction if we do not cease electing sons and brothers and spouses and children of other Presidents?

Quite possibly.

To my mind, it's not worth taking such a risk.

Nobody is saying that we need Joe the Plumber in Washington.

Folks with a modicum of higher education and insight into domestic and economic and foreign policy will do very nicely.

But, unlike you, I don't want them making a 30 or 40 year-long career out of it.

And I don't want their kids and siblings and spouses going to the head of the line, in vetting prospects for the next round of Public Servants.

I want folks with serviceable credentials to be continually gleaned from amongst The People, so that they REMAIN Public Servants, and not the precursors of a genuine Ruling Class that could surface over the next few generations if we do not take the longer-viewed approach and watch ourselves with respect to nepotism and family dynasties.

Do not make the mistake of believing that I want Joe the Plumber to represent me.

Then again, you knew that when you wrote what you did, didn't you?

What I want is for us to glean reasonably well-qualified candidates from amongst The People without resorting to these unimaginative Dynastic Name-Dropping exercises.

And, for the sake of our Republic and its long-term viability and political health, I sure-as-hell hope that we can avoid such a mistake, as continuing to create Dynasties.

That goes for Clinton AND Bush.

Better be sure you have another pitcher warming up in the bullpen.

There is a "ruling class" in this country. It is just not so obvious. 99% of the country is being rules by the 1% with the majority of wealth. Their methods and tactics are not so obvious as to cause the 99% concern, at this point. But you can wager that the 1%ers are controlling the economic wealth of this nation.

It began in earnest with RR. His "trickle down" "voodoo" economic gave a signal to the 1%ers that the floor was not theirs. The trend has been nearly impossible to stop as we continue to see the rich become richer and the poor become poorer.

Call me a Socialist if you want to, but all the economic statistics prove this continuing trend.

 

[Kondor3]

Law and regulations do not make an economy.

People do.

Laws and regulations do not make scientific progress.

People do.

Laws and regulations do not create a powerful military.

People do.

The People, God bless them.

If you consider yourself superior to The People, then you have lost your way as an American.

If you consider The People incapable of holding a place in our society superior to that of government, then you have lost your way as an American.

I'd vote for a professional politician over a regular working guy to represent me every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Are all of these people wonderful people? No. Are all regular guys and gals wonderful people? No.

Your vote creates (actually, too late now, but it helps perpetuate) a permanent Ruling Class within our Republic.

I do not share your perspective.

I do not share your perspective that John McCain, for one, is a member of a "permanent ruling class". Nor the Kennedys, Clintons or Bush families for that matter.

I look at it as a job interview. You hire a person to do a job--represent you in Congress. I'm happy to have people who are owed favors, willing to reach across the aisle, see the larger picture (at times) and have respect for the institution where they serve.

If you think that every 2 years someone from your hometown should get a chance to "go up there and see what they can do"....fine; you are entitled to your opinion. I'll stick with the the guy who is effective over the "golly gee whiz" type every day.

Do we presently have a 'permanent Ruling Class'?

No.

Are we headed in that direction if we do not cease electing sons and brothers and spouses and children of other Presidents?

Quite possibly.

To my mind, it's not worth taking such a risk.

Nobody is saying that we need Joe the Plumber in Washington.

Folks with a modicum of higher education and insight into domestic and economic and foreign policy will do very nicely.

But, unlike you, I don't want them making a 30 or 40 year-long career out of it.

And I don't want their kids and siblings and spouses going to the head of the line, in vetting prospects for the next round of Public Servants.

I want folks with serviceable credentials to be continually gleaned from amongst The People, so that they REMAIN Public Servants, and not the precursors of a genuine Ruling Class that could surface over the next few generations if we do not take the longer-viewed approach and watch ourselves with respect to nepotism and family dynasties.

Do not make the mistake of believing that I want Joe the Plumber to represent me.

Then again, you knew that when you wrote what you did, didn't you?

What I want is for us to glean reasonably well-qualified candidates from amongst The People without resorting to these unimaginative Dynastic Name-Dropping exercises.

And, for the sake of our Republic and its long-term viability and political health, I sure-as-hell hope that we can avoid such a mistake, as continuing to create Dynasties.

That goes for Clinton AND Bush.

Better be sure you have another pitcher warming up in the bullpen.

There is a "ruling class" in this country. It is just not so obvious. 99% of the country is being rules by the 1% with the majority of wealth. Their methods and tactics are not so obvious as to cause the 99% concern, at this point. But you can wager that the 1%ers are controlling the economic wealth of this nation.

It began in earnest with RR. His "trickle down" "voodoo" economic gave a signal to the 1%ers that the floor was not theirs. The trend has been nearly impossible to stop as we continue to see the rich become richer and the poor become poorer.

Call me a Socialist if you want to, but all the economic statistics prove this continuing trend.

Yes.

Agree.

We have an Invisible Ruling Class.

We had little or no awareness or control of their ascension, but we may ultimately have control over their perpetuation.

We also are presently cultivating Family Political Dynasties.

Which pose a risk, in becoming a Ruling Class, or, in keeping with your own ideas, a Governing Class, operating on behalf of their clandestine Masters, the true Ruling Class.

Ruling Class... Governing Class... whatever.

We may not have seen the One Percent coming.

But we CAN see the Governing (Ruling?) Class coming, in the form of Political Dynasty Families... Clinton, Bush, Romney, whatever.

And we DO have a choice about whether or not to create and sustain such Dynasties.

I, for one, am against such Dynasties.

Out of a nation of 330,000,000 souls, we can do better... vastly better... we have a very deep bullpen for this ball game.

 

[CowboyTed]

Hillary will win in 2016 because (Choose one)

1. Liberal Media
2. Low information voters
3. Free stuff
4. Cheating at the polls
5. She is a woman
6. The Republican was not Conservative enough

Now, I know Republicans will use all these excuses. But what will be their main whine?

Bill and Hillary Clinton are the most scandal-ridden and (potentially) corrupt husband-and-wife tag-team to ever soil the American political landscape.

We do not need more American political dynastic families - we need fewer - and we need newer, younger faces and ideas and energy, to move us forward.

I seriously doubt that the Republican clods who served-up McSame and Mittens are going to surprise us and provide such fresh faces and ideas and energy.

But we aren't going to get those things from the Billary Tag-Team, either.

Guaranteed.

We will be hearing a lot more of this as well.

One thing the right has no use for is proof. If a Dem is accused, they are guilty. Never mind that investigations have never turned up proof of guilt. That doesn't matter to RWs.

As for dynasties, the candidates will be Jeb and Hillary.

Under the Clinton presidency, the country prospered.

Under the Bushes, our taxes went up and we were very near financial collapse.

Only a fool, or the 1% would vote for another Bush.

You're darned tootin', that we'll be hearing a lot more of this...

Mostly because it's true...

America doesn't need any more reinforcement of the idea of political-dynasty families...

Clinton or Bush or Romney or Roosevelt or Harrison or Adams or whatever...

And - just as American didn't need 8 years of McSame (Bush Lite), America sure-as-hell doesn't need another 8 years of Billary (Obama Lite), either...

It doesn't matter a damn, how the Nation fared under the Billary tag-team...

That was during the 1992-2000 timeframe...

That was then...

This is now...

We need fresh ideas and fresh faces and fresh courage and fresh faith and fresh vision, to continue moving us forward...

The Boomers have had 25 years (or will have, by 2017... Bubba, the Shrub, then Obumble).

Time to give the Next-Gen'ers a shot at the title...

Time to pass the torch...

Billary is the Past...

Let her remain there...

America has moved on...

Can I point out that the Clintons are not a dynasty. Bill was born to a single parent in modest means.

The Jeb Bush has a grandfather who was a senator, a father who was president and a brother who was president.

By definition the Clintons are not a dynasty....

 

[Kondor3]

...Can I point out that the Clintons are not a dynasty. Bill was born to a single parent in modest means.

The Jeb Bush has a grandfather who was a senator, a father who was president and a brother who was president.

By definition the Clintons are not a dynasty....

Can I point-out that you're being too Literal?

Dynasty... as in multiple members of the same family, annointed to high office... not a precisely-matching definition, but a functional one... close enough for Gubmint work.

One that is readily and broadly understood, if one is capable of moving beyond the Literal, to deal with the Metaphorical, such as is being applied here to the Clintons.

First Bubba...

Then Shrillary?

What next?

Chelsea?

Best to squash new dynasties before they emerge.

Like they (we) should have done with the Bushes.

Besides...

Bubba and Shrillary are, quite possibly, the most scandal-ridden and potentially corrupt tag-team man-and-wife couple to ever soil the American political landscape.

Dynasty-in-the-making PLUS scandal-after-scandal?

Out of a nation of 330,000,000 souls, we HAVE to be able to do better than this, on BOTH sides.

I suggest that the Dems get somebody else warming-up in the bullpen.

I suggest haste in that vetting process.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Law and regulations do not make an economy.

People do.

Laws and regulations do not make scientific progress.

People do.

Laws and regulations do not create a powerful military.

People do.

The People, God bless them.

If you consider yourself superior to The People, then you have lost your way as an American.

If you consider The People incapable of holding a place in our society superior to that of government, then you have lost your way as an American.

I'd vote for a professional politician over a regular working guy to represent me every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Are all of these people wonderful people? No. Are all regular guys and gals wonderful people? No.

Your vote creates (actually, too late now, but it helps perpetuate) a permanent Ruling Class within our Republic.

I do not share your perspective.

I do not share your perspective that John McCain, for one, is a member of a "permanent ruling class". Nor the Kennedys, Clintons or Bush families for that matter.

I look at it as a job interview. You hire a person to do a job--represent you in Congress. I'm happy to have people who are owed favors, willing to reach across the aisle, see the larger picture (at times) and have respect for the institution where they serve.

If you think that every 2 years someone from your hometown should get a chance to "go up there and see what they can do"....fine; you are entitled to your opinion. I'll stick with the the guy who is effective over the "golly gee whiz" type every day.

Do we presently have a 'permanent Ruling Class'?

No.

Are we headed in that direction if we do not cease electing sons and brothers and spouses and children of other Presidents?

Quite possibly.

To my mind, it's not worth taking such a risk.

Nobody is saying that we need Joe the Plumber in Washington.

Folks with a modicum of higher education and insight into domestic and economic and foreign policy will do very nicely.

But, unlike you, I don't want them making a 30 or 40 year-long career out of it.

And I don't want their kids and siblings and spouses going to the head of the line, in vetting prospects for the next round of Public Servants.

I want folks with serviceable credentials to be continually gleaned from amongst The People, so that they REMAIN Public Servants, and not the precursors of a genuine Ruling Class that could surface over the next few generations if we do not take the longer-viewed approach and watch ourselves with respect to nepotism and family dynasties.

Do not make the mistake of believing that I want Joe the Plumber to represent me.

Then again, you knew that when you wrote what you did, didn't you?

What I want is for us to glean reasonably well-qualified candidates from amongst The People without resorting to these unimaginative Dynastic Name-Dropping exercises.

And, for the sake of our Republic and its long-term viability and political health, I sure-as-hell hope that we can avoid such a mistake, as continuing to create Dynasties.

That goes for Clinton AND Bush.

Better be sure you have another pitcher warming up in the bullpen.

There is a "ruling class" in this country. It is just not so obvious. 99% of the country is being rules by the 1% with the majority of wealth. Their methods and tactics are not so obvious as to cause the 99% concern, at this point. But you can wager that the 1%ers are controlling the economic wealth of this nation.

It began in earnest with RR. His "trickle down" "voodoo" economic gave a signal to the 1%ers that the floor was not theirs. The trend has been nearly impossible to stop as we continue to see the rich become richer and the poor become poorer.

Call me a Socialist if you want to, but all the economic statistics prove this continuing trend.

Excellent example of what I try to get across to people every single day concerning their votes. "The Ruling Class", or "elite", or "powerful", or "influential", or "wealthy", determine the names on ballots, and we, the voters, choose between those preselected for us. In other words, the game is to place only those that have been approved of by "The Ruling Class" on the ballots, thus pre-determining the outcome of elections. This is very difficult to get folks to see and understand. Money, power, and influence select our representatives in government, thus the reason behind our decline and ruin. The very top echelon, the elite, put our government in power. And, from there, they, "The Ruling Class", determine the course this nation takes, concerning every aspect of our lives.

Now, try to explain this to voters and see how far you get. Most voters are under the illusion that they actual select the president, and members of Congress. When in reality, the very short list of choices on ballots were preselected long before election day. "The Ruling Class" know far in advance the ones that'll be "puppets", and those that wont be "puppets". The easily controlled and handled make ideal puppets, therefore have the greater chance of having their name appear on ballots come election day. It's a corrupt system that works due to the gullibility of the voters. All that's needed to pull this scam off election after election, is the non-stop propaganda machine spewing patriotic words and catch phrases such as "Constitution", "freedom", "liberty", "rights", "I'll fight for you", "together, we'll return America to her rightful place", "no new taxes", "better jobs and lower taxes", "better education", "health care", "no more war", "bring our troops home", "transparency in government", and others that have become hollow, meaningless, and low-grade rhetoric.

The old saying, "money talks", is a truism that rules the process and the political machine. Money enables those with it, to greatly multiply what they already have. Money buys influence in government, thus the corrupt nature of those entrusted with the power to legislate and to enact policy. Yet, voters will turn a blind eye to this, argue for their choice, and swear that everyone else running for office is anti-America, a crook, and unfit to hold office. They just can't bring themselves to believe that they're all crooks, all anti-America, and all unfit to hold office. To voters, their choice is unlike the rest of the pack, not dishonest, is very much pro-America, and would never stoop low enough to sell their political influence. This is the short explanation for America's steady decline. Those with power and wealth, increase their power and wealth by controlling the puppets that make up "The Washington Brotherhood". And, "The Washington Brotherhood" is the entity created through the gullibility of the American voter.

Anyone needing a good laugh, need only to pay attention to the arguments and conversations between die-hard Democrats and die-hard Republicans on public forums such as USMB. You'll see just how gullible and misinformed voters actually are, and their lack of knowledge concerning the political machine, how it works, and who actually controls and runs this once great nation. Also, you'll see such worn out and pathetic statements such as, "the lesser of two evils", and "I'm not going to waste my vote". Little do they know that this is music to the ears of professional politicians that survive by public division and party loyalty. In addition, this type of reasoning among voters, plays right into the hands of "The Ruling Class" which doesn't really care which puppet wins an election, so long as a puppet of any label wins. And, the reason that "The Ruling Class" doesn't care which one wins, is because the deck was stacked in their favor long before election day.

 

[JimH52]

Hillary will win in 2016 because (Choose one)

1. Liberal Media
2. Low information voters
3. Free stuff
4. Cheating at the polls
5. She is a woman
6. The Republican was not Conservative enough

Now, I know Republicans will use all these excuses. But what will be their main whine?

Bill and Hillary Clinton are the most scandal-ridden and (potentially) corrupt husband-and-wife tag-team to ever soil the American political landscape.

We do not need more American political dynastic families - we need fewer - and we need newer, younger faces and ideas and energy, to move us forward.

I seriously doubt that the Republican clods who served-up McSame and Mittens are going to surprise us and provide such fresh faces and ideas and energy.

But we aren't going to get those things from the Billary Tag-Team, either.

Guaranteed.

We will be hearing a lot more of this as well.

One thing the right has no use for is proof. If a Dem is accused, they are guilty. Never mind that investigations have never turned up proof of guilt. That doesn't matter to RWs.

As for dynasties, the candidates will be Jeb and Hillary.

Under the Clinton presidency, the country prospered.

Under the Bushes, our taxes went up and we were very near financial collapse.

Only a fool, or the 1% would vote for another Bush.

You're darned tootin', that we'll be hearing a lot more of this...

Mostly because it's true...

America doesn't need any more reinforcement of the idea of political-dynasty families...

Clinton or Bush or Romney or Roosevelt or Harrison or Adams or whatever...

And - just as American didn't need 8 years of McSame (Bush Lite), America sure-as-hell doesn't need another 8 years of Billary (Obama Lite), either...

It doesn't matter a damn, how the Nation fared under the Billary tag-team...

That was during the 1992-2000 timeframe...

That was then...

This is now...

We need fresh ideas and fresh faces and fresh courage and fresh faith and fresh vision, to continue moving us forward...

The Boomers have had 25 years (or will have, by 2017... Bubba, the Shrub, then Obumble).

Time to give the Next-Gen'ers a shot at the title...

Time to pass the torch...

Billary is the Past...

Let her remain there...

America has moved on...

Can I point out that the Clintons are not a dynasty. Bill was born to a single parent in modest means.

The Jeb Bush has a grandfather who was a senator, a father who was president and a brother who was president.

By definition the Clintons are not a dynasty....

Yup, but being the first woman President would change that, I would think.

 

[candycorn]

I'd vote for a professional politician over a regular working guy to represent me every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Are all of these people wonderful people? No. Are all regular guys and gals wonderful people? No.

Your vote creates (actually, too late now, but it helps perpetuate) a permanent Ruling Class within our Republic.

I do not share your perspective.

I do not share your perspective that John McCain, for one, is a member of a "permanent ruling class". Nor the Kennedys, Clintons or Bush families for that matter.

I look at it as a job interview. You hire a person to do a job--represent you in Congress. I'm happy to have people who are owed favors, willing to reach across the aisle, see the larger picture (at times) and have respect for the institution where they serve.

If you think that every 2 years someone from your hometown should get a chance to "go up there and see what they can do"....fine; you are entitled to your opinion. I'll stick with the the guy who is effective over the "golly gee whiz" type every day.

Do we presently have a 'permanent Ruling Class'?

No.

Are we headed in that direction if we do not cease electing sons and brothers and spouses and children of other Presidents?

Quite possibly.

To my mind, it's not worth taking such a risk.

Nobody is saying that we need Joe the Plumber in Washington.

Folks with a modicum of higher education and insight into domestic and economic and foreign policy will do very nicely.

But, unlike you, I don't want them making a 30 or 40 year-long career out of it.

And I don't want their kids and siblings and spouses going to the head of the line, in vetting prospects for the next round of Public Servants.

I want folks with serviceable credentials to be continually gleaned from amongst The People, so that they REMAIN Public Servants, and not the precursors of a genuine Ruling Class that could surface over the next few generations if we do not take the longer-viewed approach and watch ourselves with respect to nepotism and family dynasties.

Do not make the mistake of believing that I want Joe the Plumber to represent me.

Then again, you knew that when you wrote what you did, didn't you?

What I want is for us to glean reasonably well-qualified candidates from amongst The People without resorting to these unimaginative Dynastic Name-Dropping exercises.

And, for the sake of our Republic and its long-term viability and political health, I sure-as-hell hope that we can avoid such a mistake, as continuing to create Dynasties.

That goes for Clinton AND Bush.

Better be sure you have another pitcher warming up in the bullpen.

There is a "ruling class" in this country. It is just not so obvious. 99% of the country is being rules by the 1% with the majority of wealth. Their methods and tactics are not so obvious as to cause the 99% concern, at this point. But you can wager that the 1%ers are controlling the economic wealth of this nation.

It began in earnest with RR. His "trickle down" "voodoo" economic gave a signal to the 1%ers that the floor was not theirs. The trend has been nearly impossible to stop as we continue to see the rich become richer and the poor become poorer.

Call me a Socialist if you want to, but all the economic statistics prove this continuing trend.

Excellent example of what I try to get across to people every single day concerning their votes. "The Ruling Class", or "elite", or "powerful", or "influential", or "wealthy", determine the names on ballots, and we, the voters, choose between those preselected for us. In other words, the game is to place only those that have been approved of by "The Ruling Class" on the ballots, thus pre-determining the outcome of elections. This is very difficult to get folks to see and understand. Money, power, and influence select our representatives in government, thus the reason behind our decline and ruin. The very top echelon, the elite, put our government in power. And, from there, they, "The Ruling Class", determine the course this nation takes, concerning every aspect of our lives.

Now, try to explain this to voters and see how far you get. Most voters are under the illusion that they actual select the president, and members of Congress. When in reality, the very short list of choices on ballots were preselected long before election day. "The Ruling Class" know far in advance the ones that'll be "puppets", and those that wont be "puppets". The easily controlled and handled make ideal puppets, therefore have the greater chance of having their name appear on ballots come election day. It's a corrupt system that works due to the gullibility of the voters. All that's needed to pull this scam off election after election, is the non-stop propaganda machine spewing patriotic words and catch phrases such as "Constitution", "freedom", "liberty", "rights", "I'll fight for you", "together, we'll return America to her rightful place", "no new taxes", "better jobs and lower taxes", "better education", "health care", "no more war", "bring our troops home", "transparency in government", and others that have become hollow, meaningless, and low-grade rhetoric.

The old saying, "money talks", is a truism that rules the process and the political machine. Money enables those with it, to greatly multiply what they already have. Money buys influence in government, thus the corrupt nature of those entrusted with the power to legislate and to enact policy. Yet, voters will turn a blind eye to this, argue for their choice, and swear that everyone else running for office is anti-America, a crook, and unfit to hold office. They just can't bring themselves to believe that they're all crooks, all anti-America, and all unfit to hold office. To voters, their choice is unlike the rest of the pack, not dishonest, is very much pro-America, and would never stoop low enough to sell their political influence. This is the short explanation for America's steady decline. Those with power and wealth, increase their power and wealth by controlling the puppets that make up "The Washington Brotherhood". And, "The Washington Brotherhood" is the entity created through the gullibility of the American voter.

Anyone needing a good laugh, need only to pay attention to the arguments and conversations between die-hard Democrats and die-hard Republicans on public forums such as USMB. You'll see just how gullible and misinformed voters actually are, and their lack of knowledge concerning the political machine, how it works, and who actually controls and runs this once great nation. Also, you'll see such worn out and pathetic statements such as, "the lesser of two evils", and "I'm not going to waste my vote". Little do they know that this is music to the ears of professional politicians that survive by public division and party loyalty. In addition, this type of reasoning among voters, plays right into the hands of "The Ruling Class" which doesn't really care which puppet wins an election, so long as a puppet of any label wins. And, the reason that "The Ruling Class" doesn't care which one wins, is because the deck was stacked in their favor long before election day.

The person receiving the most votes wins. Nothing is pre-selected

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

She was going to sweep the 2008 election... how'd that work out again?

 

[candycorn]

She was going to sweep the 2008 election... how'd that work out again?

Gee...you would figure that these mythic shadowy boogie men would have installed Hillary 8 years ago and Gore before her.... I guess they took those two elections off?

 

[Jarhead]

If some Muslim guy wearing the Muslim garb with the long beard comes out on the stump, the left will go nuts about him and vote for him basically because....well....he is some Muslim guy wearing the Muslim garb with a long beard....

They prefer voting for the minority....not the mainstream type of person....it makes them feel good.

 

[candycorn]

If some Muslim guy wearing the Muslim garb with the long beard comes out on the stump, the left will go nuts about him and vote for him basically because....well....he is some Muslim guy wearing the Muslim garb with a long beard....

They prefer voting for the minority....not the mainstream type of person....it makes them feel good.

332-206
The left is the mainstream

 

[Jarhead]

If some Muslim guy wearing the Muslim garb with the long beard comes out on the stump, the left will go nuts about him and vote for him basically because....well....he is some Muslim guy wearing the Muslim garb with a long beard....

They prefer voting for the minority....not the mainstream type of person....it makes them feel good.

332-206
The left is the mainstream

I did not say the left was not the mainstream.

Based on the fact that the left went for Obama big time despite his lack of leadership experience, it seemed quite apparent that it was the fact that he was a black man as the reason he was elected.

This time around, they are all over Hillary. A woman. She proved to be a poor leader and trouble identifying her accomplishments as a leader (I mean....really....she needed an independent evaluator to tell her that it is not a good idea to have a low level staffer to unilaterally decide on security requests by an Ambassador in the most dangerous region in the world?)....

and the fact that she is not only the front runner....but the only runner, further solidifies that.

Yep....bring in a Muslim with the garb and the beard who is articulate and intelligent.....Hillary will have a run for her money.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Your vote creates (actually, too late now, but it helps perpetuate) a permanent Ruling Class within our Republic.

I do not share your perspective.

I do not share your perspective that John McCain, for one, is a member of a "permanent ruling class". Nor the Kennedys, Clintons or Bush families for that matter.

I look at it as a job interview. You hire a person to do a job--represent you in Congress. I'm happy to have people who are owed favors, willing to reach across the aisle, see the larger picture (at times) and have respect for the institution where they serve.

If you think that every 2 years someone from your hometown should get a chance to "go up there and see what they can do"....fine; you are entitled to your opinion. I'll stick with the the guy who is effective over the "golly gee whiz" type every day.

Do we presently have a 'permanent Ruling Class'?

No.

Are we headed in that direction if we do not cease electing sons and brothers and spouses and children of other Presidents?

Quite possibly.

To my mind, it's not worth taking such a risk.

Nobody is saying that we need Joe the Plumber in Washington.

Folks with a modicum of higher education and insight into domestic and economic and foreign policy will do very nicely.

But, unlike you, I don't want them making a 30 or 40 year-long career out of it.

And I don't want their kids and siblings and spouses going to the head of the line, in vetting prospects for the next round of Public Servants.

I want folks with serviceable credentials to be continually gleaned from amongst The People, so that they REMAIN Public Servants, and not the precursors of a genuine Ruling Class that could surface over the next few generations if we do not take the longer-viewed approach and watch ourselves with respect to nepotism and family dynasties.

Do not make the mistake of believing that I want Joe the Plumber to represent me.

Then again, you knew that when you wrote what you did, didn't you?

What I want is for us to glean reasonably well-qualified candidates from amongst The People without resorting to these unimaginative Dynastic Name-Dropping exercises.

And, for the sake of our Republic and its long-term viability and political health, I sure-as-hell hope that we can avoid such a mistake, as continuing to create Dynasties.

That goes for Clinton AND Bush.

Better be sure you have another pitcher warming up in the bullpen.

There is a "ruling class" in this country. It is just not so obvious. 99% of the country is being rules by the 1% with the majority of wealth. Their methods and tactics are not so obvious as to cause the 99% concern, at this point. But you can wager that the 1%ers are controlling the economic wealth of this nation.

It began in earnest with RR. His "trickle down" "voodoo" economic gave a signal to the 1%ers that the floor was not theirs. The trend has been nearly impossible to stop as we continue to see the rich become richer and the poor become poorer.

Call me a Socialist if you want to, but all the economic statistics prove this continuing trend.

Excellent example of what I try to get across to people every single day concerning their votes. "The Ruling Class", or "elite", or "powerful", or "influential", or "wealthy", determine the names on ballots, and we, the voters, choose between those preselected for us. In other words, the game is to place only those that have been approved of by "The Ruling Class" on the ballots, thus pre-determining the outcome of elections. This is very difficult to get folks to see and understand. Money, power, and influence select our representatives in government, thus the reason behind our decline and ruin. The very top echelon, the elite, put our government in power. And, from there, they, "The Ruling Class", determine the course this nation takes, concerning every aspect of our lives.

Now, try to explain this to voters and see how far you get. Most voters are under the illusion that they actual select the president, and members of Congress. When in reality, the very short list of choices on ballots were preselected long before election day. "The Ruling Class" know far in advance the ones that'll be "puppets", and those that wont be "puppets". The easily controlled and handled make ideal puppets, therefore have the greater chance of having their name appear on ballots come election day. It's a corrupt system that works due to the gullibility of the voters. All that's needed to pull this scam off election after election, is the non-stop propaganda machine spewing patriotic words and catch phrases such as "Constitution", "freedom", "liberty", "rights", "I'll fight for you", "together, we'll return America to her rightful place", "no new taxes", "better jobs and lower taxes", "better education", "health care", "no more war", "bring our troops home", "transparency in government", and others that have become hollow, meaningless, and low-grade rhetoric.

The old saying, "money talks", is a truism that rules the process and the political machine. Money enables those with it, to greatly multiply what they already have. Money buys influence in government, thus the corrupt nature of those entrusted with the power to legislate and to enact policy. Yet, voters will turn a blind eye to this, argue for their choice, and swear that everyone else running for office is anti-America, a crook, and unfit to hold office. They just can't bring themselves to believe that they're all crooks, all anti-America, and all unfit to hold office. To voters, their choice is unlike the rest of the pack, not dishonest, is very much pro-America, and would never stoop low enough to sell their political influence. This is the short explanation for America's steady decline. Those with power and wealth, increase their power and wealth by controlling the puppets that make up "The Washington Brotherhood". And, "The Washington Brotherhood" is the entity created through the gullibility of the American voter.

Anyone needing a good laugh, need only to pay attention to the arguments and conversations between die-hard Democrats and die-hard Republicans on public forums such as USMB. You'll see just how gullible and misinformed voters actually are, and their lack of knowledge concerning the political machine, how it works, and who actually controls and runs this once great nation. Also, you'll see such worn out and pathetic statements such as, "the lesser of two evils", and "I'm not going to waste my vote". Little do they know that this is music to the ears of professional politicians that survive by public division and party loyalty. In addition, this type of reasoning among voters, plays right into the hands of "The Ruling Class" which doesn't really care which puppet wins an election, so long as a puppet of any label wins. And, the reason that "The Ruling Class" doesn't care which one wins, is because the deck was stacked in their favor long before election day.

The person receiving the most votes wins. Nothing is pre-selected

Yes, you're absolutely correct. But, how did that person get their name on the ballot to begin with? Would I be correct in saying that the wealthy, the powerful, and the influential, enabled that name to be on the ballot? How do names get on ballots? The names are preselected for us. We choose between the candidates that the wealthy, the powerful, and the influential place on the ballots. We have a predetermined list to choose from, do we not?