Why higher education should be free

[alan1]

What year did you graduate?

That is irrelevant.
I know how this works, I tell you the year, then you tell me that college cost less back then, then I tell you that wages were less back then.

But I'll go ahead and give you this.....I graduated 3 months after the birth of my second child and my wife graduated 6 months before the birth of our second child. So, there you have it, a married couple with a child (then children) managed to work their way through college debt free. Granted, it took me more than 4 years because I couldn't attend college full time, but I was also busy supporting a family at the same time. Of course, I wasn't supporting that family by myself, my wife also worked her ass off while she was attending college.

Well if you know how it works, then you know college relative to wages say... 30 years ago, was very diffrent to college today

Btw, I graduated college last year. I had a heap of scholarships, worked full time and went part time to offset the costs and still managed to walk away with around 20k in debt. I was honestly happy to have only 20k, because I have friends who owe more on their student loans then most people owe on their mortgage.

And 20k used to buy a house.
I've heard the horror stories of kids graduating with astronomical debt, I'm glad you dodged that bullet.

 

[percysunshine]

Bob Samuels: Why All Public Higher Education Should Be Free

Tell me why this would be wrong? Do we want a nation of idiots? Ya see what that got us...Bush for 2 terms and Obama so far for one....seriously tell me how normal people can afford college without going into extreme debt...

the failures of social engineering lay bare
utopian dreams have no care
ultimately, nothing to ware​

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Depends.

You wanna invest in the future of our country?

Or, invest in the future of other countries.

The Ds would vote to invest in the US.

Rs want to invest in other countries.

But, the countries that are overtaking us DO invest in their own. They don't stand around screaming Commie or Socialist at each other. They just do what is right for their own future.

That's why so many are WAY ahead of us in so many areas and why we currently have more than 3 million technical jobs for which we do not have qualified people.

 

[percysunshine]

utopias do not exist
persuit of imaginary idols is folly​

 

[BillyV]

Thats what happens when Big government artificially inflates education costs.

It's not big government. It's the market at work.

An education has become more important becomes incomes for higher educated people have risen faster than those without an education. This has led to more demand and higher prices for an education, especially for the highest quality schools, which has relatively fixed supply. Tuition for a Harvard MBA this year is $120k (so I've read).

No. It's not just market. The government is making it easier to get money for education, so schools are free to raise prices outside the normal range.

I also think it's a combination of the two; without available funding, the market could not bear the amount of increase relative to income levels. But I think it's true that income levels for degreed employees have risen faster than average. In the end, the market will adjust; when rational consumers decide that the college education will not generate a sufficient return on the investment, less will choose to go, which will then reduce the price. The free market is a wonderful thing!

 

[dblack]

Depends.

You wanna invest in the future of our country?....

I want the freedom for each of us to invest in the future we value. You may have different priorities than I do and I respect that. I'd like the same respect in return.

 

[percysunshine]

I want to invest in the Chevy Volt.

Only costs my neighbor his entire $49,000 income to make just one at GM, ...so it can be rationalised away...

 

[P@triot]

Bob Samuels: Why All Public Higher Education Should Be Free

Tell me why this would be wrong? Do we want a nation of idiots? Ya see what that got us...Bush for 2 terms and Obama so far for one....seriously tell me how normal people can afford college without going into extreme debt...

It's wrong because there is no "free". Someone else has to pay for it. Which means someone else is indebted to the person receiving the education. Indebted is a fancy word for SLAVERY. Are you telling me you don't think SLAVERY is wrong? Nobody should be forced to work to provide for someone else.

Nothing should be free. Everyone should get off of their fat, lazy asses and go earn what they want....

 

[uscitizen]

Lower education is free and yet we are to some extent a nation of idiots.
What is the dropout rate in this free education system?
How many who participate really strive to learn and better themselves?

Why would making higher education free change things for the better?

We must learn there is a cost for success. For most of us anyway.
Some are born with a silver spoon in their mouth.
But most of us MUST learn that there is work involved to achieve success.

Yes higher education should be free for those who have learned and proved it but then scholarships are currently available for those who strive to excel.

 

[P@triot]

I have 3 kids I would love to know how they are supposed to afford college minus them getting a scholarship of some kind...

By you working and them taking college loans. This is not rocket science you parasite. You're the one who had 3 children. It's your responsibility to arrange their education, not society's....

 

[percysunshine]

Free higher education does not exist. It is an oxymoron.

I had friends with rich alumni parents who bought their kids entry to college because they didn't have the grades. They all flunked out within two years. I had friends who got to college on a government grant, because they did not have the grades. They also flunked out in two years.

Nothing is free.

 

[uscitizen]

Failure is free.

At the time it happens, however you will pay for the rest of your life.
Even if it is not an issue of money.

 

[squeeze berry]

Bob Samuels: Why All Public Higher Education Should Be Free

Tell me why this would be wrong? Do we want a nation of idiots? Ya see what that got us...Bush for 2 terms and Obama so far for one....seriously tell me how normal people can afford college without going into extreme debt...

fine, I want reimbursed with interest

 

[P@triot]

Depends.

You wanna invest in the future of our country?

Or, invest in the future of other countries.

The Ds would vote to invest in the US.

Rs want to invest in other countries.

But, the countries that are overtaking us DO invest in their own. They don't stand around screaming Commie or Socialist at each other. They just do what is right for their own future.

That's why so many are WAY ahead of us in so many areas and why we currently have more than 3 million technical jobs for which we do not have qualified people.

We lead the world in EVERYTHING. We have the best healthcare in the world (best doctors, nurses, technology, resources, etc.). We have the best military in the world. We have the best athletes in the world. We have the best agriculture in the world.

You're another asshole communist who can't have an honest conversation...

 

[LoneLaugher]

Depends.

You wanna invest in the future of our country?

Or, invest in the future of other countries.

The Ds would vote to invest in the US.

Rs want to invest in other countries.

But, the countries that are overtaking us DO invest in their own. They don't stand around screaming Commie or Socialist at each other. They just do what is right for their own future.

That's why so many are WAY ahead of us in so many areas and why we currently have more than 3 million technical jobs for which we do not have qualified people.

We lead the world in EVERYTHING. We have the best healthcare in the world (best doctors, nurses, technology, resources, etc.). We have the best military in the world. We have the best athletes in the world. We have the best agriculture in the world.

You're another asshole communist who can't have an honest conversation...

Willful ignorance.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Bob Samuels: Why All Public Higher Education Should Be Free

Tell me why this would be wrong? Do we want a nation of idiots? Ya see what that got us...Bush for 2 terms and Obama so far for one....seriously tell me how normal people can afford college without going into extreme debt...

fine, I want reimbursed with interest

Is this what Shakespeare meant by "to be or not to be"?

Board Question #15335 | The 100 Hour Board

 

[Artevelde]

Bob Samuels: Why All Public Higher Education Should Be Free

Tell me why this would be wrong? Do we want a nation of idiots? Ya see what that got us...Bush for 2 terms and Obama so far for one....seriously tell me how normal people can afford college without going into extreme debt...

So Professors will work for no pay? Get real.

 

[Old Rocks]

Depends.

You wanna invest in the future of our country?

Or, invest in the future of other countries.

The Ds would vote to invest in the US.

Rs want to invest in other countries.

But, the countries that are overtaking us DO invest in their own. They don't stand around screaming Commie or Socialist at each other. They just do what is right for their own future.

That's why so many are WAY ahead of us in so many areas and why we currently have more than 3 million technical jobs for which we do not have qualified people.

We lead the world in EVERYTHING. We have the best healthcare in the world (best doctors, nurses, technology, resources, etc.). We have the best military in the world. We have the best athletes in the world. We have the best agriculture in the world.

You're another asshole communist who can't have an honest conversation...

LOL. Best healthcare in the world?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4]"We're Number 37" - Paul Hipp - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Londoner]

Having a well educated workforce that can keep high tech jobs at home is just like having an advanced industrial infrastructure. We invest in roads, bridges, energy grids ... because we need these things. Education is just as vital as infrastructure. China educates more of its children than the USA, and they are currently cleaning our clock. [American capitalists are the single biggest ally of China, from whom they get so much of their cheap labor] The Right has been manipulated to hate government because government has a flaw: it can be used democratically to make decisions against the money which funds elections, staffs governments, and runs the world. The wealthy people who own government want tax breaks so they can leave dynastic inheritances to their families; they don't want education for the nation.

 

[Artevelde]

Depends.

You wanna invest in the future of our country?

Or, invest in the future of other countries.

The Ds would vote to invest in the US.

Rs want to invest in other countries.

But, the countries that are overtaking us DO invest in their own. They don't stand around screaming Commie or Socialist at each other. They just do what is right for their own future.

That's why so many are WAY ahead of us in so many areas and why we currently have more than 3 million technical jobs for which we do not have qualified people.

We lead the world in EVERYTHING. We have the best healthcare in the world (best doctors, nurses, technology, resources, etc.). We have the best military in the world. We have the best athletes in the world. We have the best agriculture in the world.

You're another asshole communist who can't have an honest conversation...

LOL. Best healthcare in the world?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4]"We're Number 37" - Paul Hipp - YouTube[/ame]

Which number is greater do you think? That of US citizens seeking medical care abroad or that of foreign nationals seeking medical treatment in the US?