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What IS the point of places like USMB, folks?
It it designed as a place where partisands can score coups on each other?
Or is it to provide a place where we citizens can, though the process of intellecutal debate, arrive at a truer truth than either position originally had though intellectually challenging and testing of our POVs in debate?
Most people on USMB are here, I think, mostly to score points for their team. They see this activity is a team sport rather than a way of learning or possibly teaching their fellow citizens anything woth knowing.
Hence, we have threads that employ the same DISHONEST partisan's formula for evoking equally counter partisan responses.
These intellectually dishonest threads generally start out with an unspoken assumption and demand that people respond whatever follows without challenging the assumptions that are presented as if they were facts we all agree upon.
Now, on this board we tend to see more of that kind of dishonest posting coming from the RIGHT WING.
But that is, I think, mostly true because the right winger partisans here outnumber left wing partisans.
But every time anybody starts a post that PRESUMES, as but one example, that the POTUS has TOTAL responsiblity for the state of the economy TODAY, you know, you absolutely KNOW that that person's unspoken prsupposition is based on a false premise.
THE lie is this: what is happpening today is in no way the result of things that happened BEFORE the POTUS was in office.
Of course, we all KNOW that that is an insane assumption, but we see it implied over and over again on this board.
I'd estimate that about half the threads here START OUT with THAT false presumption -- that what is happening at this VERY MINUTE us entirely the responsibilith of the person in the WHITE HOUSE today.
My point here is that you partisans aren't usually worth the ASCIII you used to craft your TROLLING threads, or my time even considering whatever it is you wrote AFTER your introductary statement which is an OBVIOUS untruth.
Post of the thread.
Bush gave us $6.1 trillion in debt!!! Obama's first budget was $100 billion LESS than Bush's last budget!!!I agree. Bush gave us 500 billion in debt and Obama pushed to 1.4 trillion.The current financial situation?
Why are they so dishonest in their debating as to say that the minute Obama stepped into office the debt increased?
Why do they not admit that it was the 2 unecessary wars that Bush and Co. got us into that STARTED or FINISHED, rather, the financial situation in the country?
Why is this?
Bush gave us two unnecessary wars and Obama gave us a third.
Bush didn't pass Amnesty for illegals, Obama didn't pass Amnesty for illegals.
Uh, wait a minute.
Bush had a CFR,Tri-Lateral Commission, Bilderberg member V.P telling him what to do. Obama has a CFR, Tri-Lateral Commission, Bilderberg member V.P. telling him what to do.
Bush gave us $6.1 trillion in debt!!! Obama's first budget was $100 billion LESS than Bush's last budget!!!I agree. Bush gave us 500 billion in debt and Obama pushed to 1.4 trillion.
Bush gave us two unnecessary wars and Obama gave us a third.
Bush didn't pass Amnesty for illegals, Obama didn't pass Amnesty for illegals.
Uh, wait a minute.
Bush had a CFR,Tri-Lateral Commission, Bilderberg member V.P telling him what to do. Obama has a CFR, Tri-Lateral Commission, Bilderberg member V.P. telling him what to do.
Why?
there is no truth in anything you said there
Bush gave us $6.1 trillion in debt!!! Obama's first budget was $100 billion LESS than Bush's last budget!!!I agree. Bush gave us 500 billion in debt and Obama pushed to 1.4 trillion.The current financial situation?
Why are they so dishonest in their debating as to say that the minute Obama stepped into office the debt increased?
Why do they not admit that it was the 2 unecessary wars that Bush and Co. got us into that STARTED or FINISHED, rather, the financial situation in the country?
Why is this?
Bush gave us two unnecessary wars and Obama gave us a third.
Bush didn't pass Amnesty for illegals, Obama didn't pass Amnesty for illegals.
Uh, wait a minute.
Bush had a CFR,Tri-Lateral Commission, Bilderberg member V.P telling him what to do. Obama has a CFR, Tri-Lateral Commission, Bilderberg member V.P. telling him what to do.
Of course, fiscal budgets for each president don't run by calendar years. You have part of Clinton's budget helping Bush and part of Bush's budget hurting Obama. It was no less than Reagan in his first State of the Union speech who said you count each presidents deficit from budget year to budget year PLUS the interest on that debt.An example of what I just said can be seen in both parties blame game on the defecit and national debt. Some people claim bush made the national debt so big so its his fault and some claim it was obama, however the numbers will show what I just said about it being both parties to be true
Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)
1/29/2001 national debt was 5.73 trillion
1/28/2009 natoinal debt was 10.63 trillion
Bush added 4.9 trillion over 8 years or 0.63 trillion/year or 34% of the total national debt
1/29/2009 national debt was 10.63 trillion
1/29/2011 natoinal debt was 14.06 trillion
Obama added 3.4 trillion over 2 years or 1.72 trillion/year or 24% of the national debt.
Total national debt 14.06 trillion
"A trillion dollars would be a stack of thousand-dollar bills 67 miles high. The interest on the public debt this year we know will be over $90 billion, and unless we change the proposed spending for the fiscal year beginning October 1st, we'll add another almost $80 billion to the debt."
Ronald Reagan - February 18, 1981
So at the end of Clinton's last budget the debt was
Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2010
09/30/2001 - $5,807,463,412,200.06
And Bush"s was
09/30/2009 - $11,909,829,003,511.75
Which puts Bush's debt at
$6,102,365,591,311.69 minus the interest on the $5.8 trillion in debt passed to him or 42% without deducting interest.
The debt we started the day with today is
Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)
04/18/2011 - $14,309,159,097,877.65
So Obama's debt is
$2,399,330,094,365.90 minus the interest on the $11.9 trillion in debt passed to him or 17% without deducting interest.
Not only should you deduct the interest on the debt passed on to Obama, but you should deduct the cost of the two unfinished wars Bush passed on as well. If you did, Obama would have little or no debt!!!!!!!!
Of course, fiscal budgets for each president don't run by calendar years. You have part of Clinton's budget helping Bush and part of Bush's budget hurting Obama. It was no less than Reagan in his first State of the Union speech who said you count each presidents deficit from budget year to budget year PLUS the interest on that debt.An example of what I just said can be seen in both parties blame game on the defecit and national debt. Some people claim bush made the national debt so big so its his fault and some claim it was obama, however the numbers will show what I just said about it being both parties to be true
Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)
1/29/2001 national debt was 5.73 trillion
1/28/2009 natoinal debt was 10.63 trillion
Bush added 4.9 trillion over 8 years or 0.63 trillion/year or 34% of the total national debt
1/29/2009 national debt was 10.63 trillion
1/29/2011 natoinal debt was 14.06 trillion
Obama added 3.4 trillion over 2 years or 1.72 trillion/year or 24% of the national debt.
Total national debt 14.06 trillion
"A trillion dollars would be a stack of thousand-dollar bills 67 miles high. The interest on the public debt this year we know will be over $90 billion, and unless we change the proposed spending for the fiscal year beginning October 1st, we'll add another almost $80 billion to the debt."
Ronald Reagan - February 18, 1981
So at the end of Clinton's last budget the debt was
Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2010
09/30/2001 - $5,807,463,412,200.06
And Bush"s was
09/30/2009 - $11,909,829,003,511.75
Which puts Bush's debt at
$6,102,365,591,311.69 minus the interest on the $5.8 trillion in debt passed to him or 42% without deducting interest.
The debt we started the day with today is
Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)
04/18/2011 - $14,309,159,097,877.65
So Obama's debt is
$2,399,330,094,365.90 minus the interest on the $11.9 trillion in debt passed to him or 17% without deducting interest.
Not only should you deduct the interest on the debt passed on to Obama, but you should deduct the cost of the two unfinished wars Bush passed on as well. If you did, Obama would have little or no debt!!!!!!!!
The current financial situation?
Why are they so dishonest in their debating as to say that the minute Obama stepped into office the debt increased?
Why do they not admit that it was the 2 unecessary wars that Bush and Co. got us into that STARTED or FINISHED, rather, the financial situation in the country?
Why is this?
The current financial situation?
Why are they so dishonest in their debating as to say that the minute Obama stepped into office the debt increased?
Why do they not admit that it was the 2 unecessary wars that Bush and Co. got us into that STARTED or FINISHED, rather, the financial situation in the country?
Why is this?
The current financial situation?
Why are they so dishonest in their debating as to say that the minute Obama stepped into office the debt increased?
Why do they not admit that it was the 2 unecessary wars that Bush and Co. got us into that STARTED or FINISHED, rather, the financial situation in the country?
Why is this?
Because the vast majority of them will never admit to being wrong.
Did Marc ever answer my question? He asked my to answer his question and I did immediately, is he still dead silent?
On another note remember this folks, if your credit card balance is ever higher than you'd like, the way to fix it is by going on a shopping spree.
Did Marc ever answer my question? He asked my to answer his question and I did immediately, is he still dead silent?
On another note remember this folks, if your credit card balance is ever higher than you'd like, the way to fix it is by going on a shopping spree.
If you're referring to your question about if I blame Obama, the answer is no.
We have different ideological views on this.
You can't blame someone for taking over the wheel of a car already in crash and getting mad at that person when the car when people get hurt. I'm just glad no lives were lost.
Either that OR there is no truth in anything YOU said thereBush gave us $6.1 trillion in debt!!! Obama's first budget was $100 billion LESS than Bush's last budget!!!I agree. Bush gave us 500 billion in debt and Obama pushed to 1.4 trillion.
Bush gave us two unnecessary wars and Obama gave us a third.
Bush didn't pass Amnesty for illegals, Obama didn't pass Amnesty for illegals.
Uh, wait a minute.
Bush had a CFR,Tri-Lateral Commission, Bilderberg member V.P telling him what to do. Obama has a CFR, Tri-Lateral Commission, Bilderberg member V.P. telling him what to do.
Why?
there is no truth in anything you said there
Fiscal 2010 deficit thins to $1.29 trillion | Reuters
(Reuters) - The budget deficit for fiscal 2010 narrowed to $1.294 trillion from last year's record $1.416 trillion as tax collections started to recover and bailout spending fell sharply.
The Treasury Department said on Friday the deficit came to 8.94 percent of gross domestic product for the year ended September 30, versus 10 percent in fiscal 2009.
Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2010
Date - Dollar Amount
09/30/2009 - $11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 - $10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 - $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 - $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 - $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 - $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 - $6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 - $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 - $5,807,463,412,200.06
Did Marc ever answer my question? He asked my to answer his question and I did immediately, is he still dead silent?
On another note remember this folks, if your credit card balance is ever higher than you'd like, the way to fix it is by going on a shopping spree.
If you're referring to your question about if I blame Obama, the answer is no.
We have different ideological views on this.
You can't blame someone for taking over the wheel of a car already in crash and getting mad at that person when the car when people get hurt. I'm just glad no lives were lost.
Actually Obama didn't "take over the wheel."
He ASKED for it, and was given it....
Because he said he would "Change" the direction of the car, despite having only a learner's permit.
So far, he's received a Nobel Peace Prize, Attacked Libya, and the Car is still in the ditch.
Did Marc ever answer my question? He asked my to answer his question and I did immediately, is he still dead silent?
On another note remember this folks, if your credit card balance is ever higher than you'd like, the way to fix it is by going on a shopping spree.
If you're referring to your question about if I blame Obama, the answer is no.
We have different ideological views on this.
You can't blame someone for taking over the wheel of a car already in crash and getting mad at that person when the car when people get hurt. I'm just glad no lives were lost.
Because we do and you completely ignore it for your convenience
If you're referring to your question about if I blame Obama, the answer is no.
We have different ideological views on this.
You can't blame someone for taking over the wheel of a car already in crash and getting mad at that person when the car when people get hurt. I'm just glad no lives were lost.
Actually Obama didn't "take over the wheel."
He ASKED for it, and was given it....
Because he said he would "Change" the direction of the car, despite having only a learner's permit.
So far, he's received a Nobel Peace Prize, Attacked Libya, and the Car is still in the ditch.
You missed the point...the car was CRASHING, there wre no brakes. Its just a matter of how skillful the steerer/driver is to cause the LEAST amount of damage.
Pilot SULLY is a good example. The plane's going down...that's a given...he piloted it down the Manhattan river...doing the impossible.
That was the situation at hand.
Bush caused it to go into free fall and bounced...someone else had to handle the rest.
