Why Do Subordinates In Many Animal Species Accept Social Position Without A Fight?

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    Why Do Subordinates In Many Animal Species Accept Social Position Without A Fight?


    I forward the hypothesis that constant infighting is detrimental to the fitness of the population. As a result, a population with a high proportion of aggressive individuals will be less successful than one with a greater number of submissive or 'cowardly' individuals, which will be dominated by the minority of more aggressive members.

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    Actually, subordinate doesn't mean submissive in all cases. The matter is something that I have noted in my life often, seeing that the subordinates can often control the situation much better than the "dominant" being, based on human interaction though not the other beasts. I have always been the "weaker" in life (based on standards at the time) and yet, in spite of me not wanting them to, people often rally behind me. It's odd that I never want to lead, or follow for that matter, but always ended up being the "dominant" person in social circles.

    It's a reason I like cyber life better, people don't follow me as often ;)
     
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    We're not talking about M/S, KK :rolleyes:
     
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    You will forgive my ignorance ... M/S? You mean Microsoft?

    i was talking about common social circles, such as in school or *shudder* church (where I wanted nothing to do with "friends"). Size, I was always much smaller than other kids, often mistaken for less than half my age. Personality I was, and still am IRL, and introvert. But somehow, in spite of these obviously "weaker" traits, I was often considered the leader. So in humans this behavior is observable as well and is not surprising to me. Though I still don't understand the connection that was made to evolutionary processes, but meh. I believe it is more behavioral for the fish as well, it just may be that for some reason the ones thought commonly as "weaker" hold a social trait that makes others willingly follow them or even protect them (not mention so speculation on my part there) as I had experienced in my life.

    This is that whole "outside the box" thinking I try to get you to understand, so you may not get the connection of thought here.
     
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    Sheeple ... yeah ... you know calling me that is like saying an apple is orange. Why not stop being like RGS and read what I posted then commenting on that or adding to the topic you started instead of trying to blindly insult someone? :cool:
     
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    Of course, Edit, Man was a new evolutionary pressure they had not faced prior to that point in their evolution
     
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    He told you the answer to that.
    He's a little guy, but maybe not aware of how that often shapes one's behavior in the attempt to stand out.
    Have you noticed how, so often, the largest people among us are not very self assertive, just mellow and going with the flow?
     
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    True.

    In a hierarchy, the person at the top is not necessarily the strongest or the smartest.

    They are just the person at the top.
     

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