Why did Hitler declare war on the United States?

[amiam*]

Please spare us your attempts to try and appear smarter.

The message was passed and approved by THE KAISER, Zimmerman had no authority to offer such a deal.

its amazing how people try to 'correct' things that are not wrong.

Xeno, if the shoe fits wear it! I recall reading an article in the Chicago Tribune archives that Zimmerman was brought before a board in Germany and he there confirmed that he sent the telegram. Check out the history before sticking foot in mouth.

Once again! One can wonder, why Zimmerman did not lie and so confirm Mexico's version of a forgery by the English.

Pay attention.

Nobody said Zimmerman didn't send the note.

What was said was he didn't ORIGINATE the note.

The only one with a foot in his mouth is you.

If you want to compare who knows WWI better, you or I, bring it on.

I will bury you.

It nice to know you think so highly of the Kaiser. Barbara Tuchman who authored the book "The Zimmernann Telegram" writes:

From:The Zimmerman Telegram by Barbara Tuchman p26:

Bismarck said of him [the Kaiser]that "he wanted it always to be Sunday." Wilhelm's Byzantine court assisted him in this illusion by providing him with his own morning paper, in a special imperial edition of one, made up of carefully excerpted items from the world press, printed in gold.

Wilhelm was interested in gold-plated news only and disliked above all else those tiresome visits from ministers with their reports of inconvenient facts that did not fit in with his schemes. To avoid listening to them, the Kaiser would walk up and down, do all the talking himself, and dismiss the minister in twenty minutes.

Once again. It was Arthur Zimmermann who authored the deal and not the Kaiser.

The Kaiser was busy reading his gold plated news!

 

[Samson]

Xeno, if the shoe fits wear it! I recall reading an article in the Chicago Tribune archives that Zimmerman was brought before a board in Germany and he there confirmed that he sent the telegram. Check out the history before sticking foot in mouth.

Once again! One can wonder, why Zimmerman did not lie and so confirm Mexico's version of a forgery by the English.

Pay attention.

Nobody said Zimmerman didn't send the note.

What was said was he didn't ORIGINATE the note.

The only one with a foot in his mouth is you.

If you want to compare who knows WWI better, you or I, bring it on.

I will bury you.

It nice to know you think so highly of the Kaiser. Barbara Tuchman who authored the book "The Zimmernann Telegram" writes:

From:The Zimmerman Telegram by Barbara Tuchman p26:

Bismarck said of him [the Kaiser]that "he wanted it always to be Sunday." Wilhelm's Byzantine court assisted him in this illusion by providing him with his own morning paper, in a special imperial edition of one, made up of carefully excerpted items from the world press, printed in gold.

Wilhelm was interested in gold-plated news only and disliked above all else those tiresome visits from ministers with their reports of inconvenient facts that did not fit in with his schemes. To avoid listening to them, the Kaiser would walk up and down, do all the talking himself, and dismiss the minister in twenty minutes.

Once again. It was Arthur Zimmermann who authored the deal and not the Kaiser.

The Kaiser was busy reading his gold plated news!

Hey, RETARD:

Read the Topic of this thread.

To prevent looking more like an idiot, start a thread about WW I.

 

[amiam*]

Hey, RETARD:

Read the Topic of this thread.

To prevent looking more like an idiot, start a thread about WW I.

I agree with you, after all I started this tread. I just did not wish Xeno to get away with his accusation and interpretation.

So, I started a thread on Arthur Zimmerman telegram authenticity....

 

[BolshevikHunter]

Hitler already knew that eventually America would declare War on Germany after FDR allowed our boys in Hawaii to be attacked by The Japanese while they were brushing their teeth. Hitler figured he would beat FDR to the punch. Otherwise, Hitler and Doenitz would continue to lose more U-BOATS from American Subs, but not knowing if they were American for sure. whenever Germany finally did sink one of ours, it would be viewed as an act of war. Had Hitler not declared War on The USA, The Socialist maggot FDR would have had two pre-texts to War. Hitler, and more so The Germans, were smarter than that. ~BH

 

[Charles Stucker]

The pact with Japan, as I understand it.

Why he honored it I do not know, as it wouldn't have been the first time he had told those with whom he had treaties to go pound sand.

At that point Hitler really needed the Japanese to attack the Russians in the east to prevent the Siberian divisions from hitting his army during the winter. Had Japan attacked Russia instead of the US the war would have gone dramatically differently.

 

[uscitizen]

Why did Hitler declare war on the United States?

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[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Why did Hitler declare war on the United States?

Because he wanted us to join his progressive socialist movement

dont take me serious

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

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[namvet]

he was after our hot women

 

[AkronGuy]

Did he or did he not attempt to continue his push into Russia when winter came?

Has or has not every invading force in Russia's history been defeated by the winter and Russia's 'scorched earth' philosophy?

If you fail to move into Russia and establish a secure hold on the region and the most secure supply lines ever seen by winter, you do not push onward or you will die.

It was more to do with his failing to supply the Nazi troops and armored units winter supplies, his meddling in military affairs, and his splitting of his troops. The winter wouldn't have matter if he hadn't of made those mistakes.

 

[AkronGuy]

Why did Hitler declare war on the United States?

Because basically FDR was prodding him into it for years. That and their pact with Japan.

 

[AkronGuy]

The same reason he attacked Russia and tried to invade during winter: because he was an idiot.

He was messed up, but he wasn't an idiot.

His rationale for attacking Russia was sound, they would've attacked him eventually, so it was better for him to attack them while their military was in turmoil and before they became reorganized.

 

[AkronGuy]

Because they shut down a good associate of his and a large source of funds.
Prescott Bush.

No. Nobody could make this shit up.

IBM got his counting computer thingy finished just in time though !
Gawd Blass Kaptlizm !

Revisionism R Fun!

Maybe you should actually do some research?


Just a though.

what did he say that was wrong? american companies heavily funded the nazis and you should research where there planes were created

Well considering we were on paper neutral, what's the big deal ? The Nazis weren't the worst regeime in existance at that time.

 

[AkronGuy]

I am not arguing that.

What he said wrong, and what most people get wrong when discussing this stuff..intentionally in most cases..is that these business were not directly funding "Nazi Germany" with malice aforethought. They were doing business, with legitimate German businessmen prior to any hostilities or the knowledge that we have now. There was little political about it. It was all greed.

Two questions. What do you mean "where the planes were created" and, second do you know what happened to the man Prescott Bush primarily did business with in Germany? Do you even know his name?

they knew what was going on in germany for years just as we did before entering the war, but they continued to fund it.

and yes I know prescott bush's history including his intricate working directly with nazis

Which was essentially no different than what was going on in the United States prior to the Final Solution. All businessmen and influential people in Nazi Germany were Nazi Party members. It was in essence required. If you weren't, then you either got the hell out or you were executed, hard decision to make right ? Don't politicize or moralize shit without knowing the full picture.

 

[AkronGuy]

I am not arguing that.

What he said wrong, and what most people get wrong when discussing this stuff..intentionally in most cases..is that these business were not directly funding "Nazi Germany" with malice aforethought. They were doing business, with legitimate German businessmen prior to any hostilities or the knowledge that we have now. There was little political about it. It was all greed.

Two questions. What do you mean "where the planes were created" and, second do you know what happened to the man Prescott Bush primarily did business with in Germany? Do you even know his name?

they knew what was going on in germany for years just as we did before entering the war, but they continued to fund it.

and yes I know prescott bush's history including his intricate working directly with nazis

I'm glad I found this place, I love these debates

First, understand I am not here to offend. I am open to being proven wrong, but I also am not a tyro.

Each of the business's that worked with Germany did so legally until the US prohibited the practice. Some continued to do so, including Prescott Bush. But it is my contention that none did so as a means to an end for the Nazi state.

So, lets start with Prescott. What intricate works, directly with the Nazis, are speaking to? And what is your source?

Well using that line of reasoning, you can say the Kennedy's are all terrorists and criminals. Look at their patriach and his family.

 

[AkronGuy]

"Hitler was not Stupid?"

Well, then let's euphemistically call him uninformed, grossly underestimating his enemies, and overestimating his allies. Perhaps we can all agree he was a megalomaniac?

First and formost, Hitler was Xenophobic, and if the Japanese, a race he considered subhuman, could sneak up on the US fleet in Pearl Harbor, then it only confirmed his suspicion that the faily large White Supremecy movement after WW I might be resurrected:

Japan had the same exact mindset, and felt the same exact way, which all empires did at that time.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Did he or did he not attempt to continue his push into Russia when winter came?

Has or has not every invading force in Russia's history been defeated by the winter and Russia's 'scorched earth' philosophy?

If you fail to move into Russia and establish a secure hold on the region and the most secure supply lines ever seen by winter, you do not push onward or you will die.

It was more to do with his failing to supply the Nazi troops and armored units winter supplies, his meddling in military affairs, and his splitting of his troops. The winter wouldn't have matter if he hadn't of made those mistakes.

so we're back to him being an idiot?

 

[AkronGuy]

Not being an idiot. Could you've gained the political heights from his humble background ? No, you probably couldn't, nor could I or many other people. He may have been a fucked up person, but he was a human being. It's just that we're not talanted to go from working class rural background to being a historal figure that'll never be forgotten and who's lack of tactical forethought on certain crucial issues affected world history. It was common traits in a remarkable man, arrogance, folly, and overestimation. His generals warned him and tried to influence him, his arrogance didn't listen.

Samething with Stalin, and Stalin's arrogance almost gave Hitler the war. Just like Churchill's and FDR's arrogance changed the world as well.

FTR: I don't support Hitler, I just see him as an extraordinary human being without moralizing his actions.

 

[Toronado3800]

Interesting point. I also despise Hitler. No harm in understanding how he rose to power though. I always take note in the tactic of one of Hitler's favorite tactics for motivating his political base, blaming others for your group's failures.

It was more to do with his failing to supply the Nazi troops and armored units winter supplies, his meddling in military affairs, and his splitting of his troops. The winter wouldn't have matter if he hadn't of made those mistakes.

The Nazi military. Ug, a bunch of contradictions here. They understood how to fight though. Took awhile for the Russians to figure it out after the purges.

Just think though. The Germans invaded Russia with Panzer MarkIII's and MarkIV's. The Russians had the venerable T-34 throughout the war. Not that the T-34 wasn't also better in the snow, it was just a better tank even if it took the Russians awhile to figure out how to fight a war.

 

[AkronGuy]

Interesting point. I also despise Hitler. No harm in understanding how he rose to power though. I always take note in the tactic of one of Hitler's favorite tactics for motivating his political base, blaming others for your group's failures.

It was more to do with his failing to supply the Nazi troops and armored units winter supplies, his meddling in military affairs, and his splitting of his troops. The winter wouldn't have matter if he hadn't of made those mistakes.

The Nazi military. Ug, a bunch of contradictions here. They understood how to fight though. Took awhile for the Russians to figure it out after the purges.

Just think though. The Germans invaded Russia with Panzer MarkIII's and MarkIV's. The Russians had the venerable T-34 throughout the war. Not that the T-34 wasn't also better in the snow, it was just a better tank even if it took the Russians awhile to figure out how to fight a war.

Well the blame others tactics goes back as far as politics. But it's effective. And people wonder why the Nazi idealogy is so attractive to Eastern European youth. Very similar circumstances. But not enough and the with history being what it is, very unlikely.

The Nazi military was one of the best militaries in the history of mankind. But Hitler squandered it on bad decisions. Also the Soviets had many many problems, much of their subjugated peoples hated them, all of Eastern Europe welcome Hitler as a savior, which in comparisson, he was. Also famine, genocide, purges, political turmoil and still getting over the Revolution. If it weren't for FDR's aid and Stalin eventually doing what if Hitler had done, won the day for the russians.