Why did Hitler declare war on the U.S.?

[alang1216]

Hitler is often described as a "mad man" whose declaration of war against the U.S. was the worst strategic blunder of WW2. But I am wondering if there may have been a rational basis for his decision.

In December 1941 the German army was at the gates of Moscow, poised for what it seemed to be an imminent defeat of the USSR. In that event, Germany would have established an impregnable Fortress Europe for years to come. In contrast Germany's ally Japan was about to be squashed by the far greater industrial resources of the U.S., possibly creating a new world empire even more threatening to Germany than that of the British.

By quickly declaring war against the U.S. could Hitler have decided that drawing off U.S. resources to fight an unwinnable war in Europe would extend the war with Japan (possibly to a stalemate) and eventually lead to a comprehensive peace treaty?

There is almost no documentation of Hitler's thinking on this matter, but being a monster does not necessarily make one a moron. Any thoughts on this theory?

I think be felt he had little to lose and everything to gain. The US was already at war with Germany by supplying the UK, just an undeclared one. If Hitler could unleash his U-Boats on the US and embargo the UK they'd have to sue for peace. With them gone the US would be hard pressed to fight Germany without a base of operations and might sue for peace too to focus on Japan.

 

[jwoodie]

japan was harder to get to Spanky.

Not from Tinian Island, Alfalfa.

 

[Muhammed]

Hitler is often described as a "mad man" whose declaration of war against the U.S. was the worst strategic blunder of WW2. But I am wondering if there may have been a rational basis for his decision.

In December 1941 the German army was at the gates of Moscow, poised for what it seemed to be an imminent defeat of the USSR. In that event, Germany would have established an impregnable Fortress Europe for years to come. In contrast Germany's ally Japan was about to be squashed by the far greater industrial resources of the U.S., possibly creating a new world empire even more threatening to Germany than that of the British.

By quickly declaring war against the U.S. could Hitler have decided that drawing off U.S. resources to fight an unwinnable war in Europe would extend the war with Japan (possibly to a stalemate) and eventually lead to a comprehensive peace treaty?

There is almost no documentation of Hitler's thinking on this matter, but being a monster does not necessarily make one a moron. Any thoughts on this theory?

Roosevelt started arming the UK, USSR, France and China, cut off fuel to Japan and moved the Pacific fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor.

The jackass party of slavery also instituted the first peacetime draft in US history.

That stuff certainly didn't go unnoticed by Hitler.

You think FDR was wrong to draft people?

Conscription is a particularly abhorrent form of slavery.

But of course Democrats have never been morally outraged by the institution of slavery.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Fortunately for the world, Hitler was an idiotic, incompetent murderous tyrant, unlike the usually cunning and shrewd Stalin. Hitler's decision to declare war on the U.S. was just one of his many blunders. But, really, it made no difference, since FDR was determined to go to war against Germany anyway, especially after Germany attacked FDR's beloved Soviet Union. If Hitler had delayed declaring war, FDR would have forced him to do so very soon anyway, but at least then it would have been under better PR circumstances.

 

[Picaro]

I don't see the conflict

No, I Suppose You Wouldn't
Amazing....

Obviously you have trouble grasping timelines and sequences of events. Stick to comic books.

 

[Picaro]

Here's A Question

Britain And France Were Bound By Treaty To Ensure The Sovereignty Of Poland
Germany Invaded Poland, Britain And France Declared War On Germany
USSR Co-Invaded Poland With Germany
Britain And France Didn't Declare War On USSR

FDR, Churchill, DeGaulle, and Truman sold Poland out to Stalin.

Patton was right.

Patton was a moron

You're just pissed that he was right about the Russians.

History shows he was an excellent general.

Basically he just copied Rommel, and left the real war winning jobs in logistics to the mid-level types while focused on politics and wowing the press and the hicks back home with tales of his studly manliness and palying the gung ho 'hardass' for the rubes. He was a good division commander, with help, that's it. He wanted to run for President, like many of the other Generals.
I liked him , he just wasn't that great a general compared to many others.

 

[miketx]

Hitler is often described as a "mad man" whose declaration of war against the U.S. was the worst strategic blunder of WW2. But I am wondering if there may have been a rational basis for his decision.

In December 1941 the German army was at the gates of Moscow, poised for what it seemed to be an imminent defeat of the USSR. In that event, Germany would have established an impregnable Fortress Europe for years to come. In contrast Germany's ally Japan was about to be squashed by the far greater industrial resources of the U.S., possibly creating a new world empire even more threatening to Germany than that of the British.

By quickly declaring war against the U.S. could Hitler have decided that drawing off U.S. resources to fight an unwinnable war in Europe would extend the war with Japan (possibly to a stalemate) and eventually lead to a comprehensive peace treaty?

There is almost no documentation of Hitler's thinking on this matter, but being a monster does not necessarily make one a moron. Any thoughts on this theory?

Roosevelt started arming the UK, USSR, France and China, cut off fuel to Japan and moved the Pacific fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor.

The jackass party of slavery also instituted the first peacetime draft in US history.

That stuff certainly didn't go unnoticed by Hitler.

You think FDR was wrong to draft people?

He also behaved badly during the bonus army march, according to historians.

 

[Picaro]

Hitler didn’t have a whole lot of respect for the war making capabilities of America.

He considered us nothing more than “a country of mongrels filled with n*****s and Jews”.

He also counted on the large German Bund groups and sympathizers like Joe Kennedy and Lindberg, and the GOP and anti-Roosevelt Democrats to keep the U.S. out of the war despite FDR's efforts; it was FDR who turned out to be right, not the isolationist tards.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Hitler didn’t have a whole lot of respect for the war making capabilities of America.

He considered us nothing more than “a country of mongrels filled with n*****s and Jews”.

He also counted on the large German Bund groups and sympathizers like Joe Kennedy and Lindberg, and the GOP and anti-Roosevelt Democrats to keep the U.S. out of the war despite FDR's efforts; it was FDR who turned out to be right, not the isolationist tards.

/—-/ Many Americans were still reeling from the bloodbath of WWI and didn’t want to get involved in another European mess.

 

[Picaro]

He also behaved badly during the bonus army march, according to historians.

How so?

A second, smaller Bonus March in 1933 at the start of the Roosevelt administration was defused in May with an offer of jobs with the Civilian Conservation Corps at Fort Hunt, Virginia, which most of the group accepted. Those who chose not to work for the CCC by the May 22 deadline were given transportation home.[1] In 1936, Congress overrode President Roosevelt's veto and paid the veterans their bonus nine years early.

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During the presidential campaign of 1932, Roosevelt had opposed the veterans' bonus demands.[31] A second bonus march planned for the following year in May by the "National Liaison Committee of Washington," disavowed by the previous year's bonus army leadership, demanded that the Federal government provide marchers housing and food during their stay in the capital.[32] Despite his opposition to the marcher's demand for immediate payment of the bonus, Roosevelt greeted them quite differently than did Hoover. The administration set up a special camp for the marchers at Fort Hunt, Virginia, providing forty field kitchens serving three meals a day, bus transportation to and from the capital, and entertainment in the form of military bands.[33]

Administration officials, led by presidential confidant Louis Howe, tried to negotiate an end to the protest. Roosevelt arranged for his wife, Eleanor, to visit the site unaccompanied. She lunched with the veterans and listened to them perform songs. She reminisced about her memories of seeing troops off to World War I and welcoming them home. The most that she could offer was a promise of positions in the newly created Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC).[30] One veteran commented, "Hoover sent the army, Roosevelt sent his wife."[34] In a press conference following her visit, the First Lady described her reception as courteous and praised the marchers, highlighting how comfortable she felt despite critics of the marchers who described them as communists and criminals.[30]

Roosevelt later issued an executive order allowing the enrollment of 25,000 veterans in the CCC, exempting them from the normal requirement that applicants be unmarried and under the age of 25.[35] Congress, with Democrats holding majorities in both houses, passed the Adjusted Compensation Payment Act in 1936, authorizing the immediate payment of the $2 billion in World War I bonuses, and then overrode Roosevelt's veto of the measure.[36] The House vote was 324 to 61,[37] and the Senate vote was 76 to 19.[38]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army#cite_note-38

Bonus Army - Wikipedia

Roosevelt opposed paying it because it would require thousands of man hours and the money would cut into other programs; he offered them jobs, which was a better deal in his mind at the time, and something conservatives could compromise on as an alternative, if they weren't so enthusiastic about shooting down all the uppity proles which of course got their stooges tossed out of office and got Roosevelt elected in the first place, i.e. the same sort of dim-witted dumbassery that has them barely beating vermin like hillary by a few percentage points, for example.

 

[Picaro]

Hitler didn’t have a whole lot of respect for the war making capabilities of America.

He considered us nothing more than “a country of mongrels filled with n*****s and Jews”.

He also counted on the large German Bund groups and sympathizers like Joe Kennedy and Lindberg, and the GOP and anti-Roosevelt Democrats to keep the U.S. out of the war despite FDR's efforts; it was FDR who turned out to be right, not the isolationist tards.

/—-/ Many Americans were still reeling from the bloodbath of WWI and didn’t want to get involved in another European mess.

True, but that doesn't change the fact that it has always been a futile fantasy. Even Jefferson had to face that reality of geo-politics in 1803.

 

[miketx]

He also behaved badly during the bonus army march, according to historians.

How so?

A second, smaller Bonus March in 1933 at the start of the Roosevelt administration was defused in May with an offer of jobs with the Civilian Conservation Corps at Fort Hunt, Virginia, which most of the group accepted. Those who chose not to work for the CCC by the May 22 deadline were given transportation home.[1] In 1936, Congress overrode President Roosevelt's veto and paid the veterans their bonus nine years early.

...

During the presidential campaign of 1932, Roosevelt had opposed the veterans' bonus demands.[31] A second bonus march planned for the following year in May by the "National Liaison Committee of Washington," disavowed by the previous year's bonus army leadership, demanded that the Federal government provide marchers housing and food during their stay in the capital.[32] Despite his opposition to the marcher's demand for immediate payment of the bonus, Roosevelt greeted them quite differently than did Hoover. The administration set up a special camp for the marchers at Fort Hunt, Virginia, providing forty field kitchens serving three meals a day, bus transportation to and from the capital, and entertainment in the form of military bands.[33]

Administration officials, led by presidential confidant Louis Howe, tried to negotiate an end to the protest. Roosevelt arranged for his wife, Eleanor, to visit the site unaccompanied. She lunched with the veterans and listened to them perform songs. She reminisced about her memories of seeing troops off to World War I and welcoming them home. The most that she could offer was a promise of positions in the newly created Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC).[30] One veteran commented, "Hoover sent the army, Roosevelt sent his wife."[34] In a press conference following her visit, the First Lady described her reception as courteous and praised the marchers, highlighting how comfortable she felt despite critics of the marchers who described them as communists and criminals.[30]

Roosevelt later issued an executive order allowing the enrollment of 25,000 veterans in the CCC, exempting them from the normal requirement that applicants be unmarried and under the age of 25.[35] Congress, with Democrats holding majorities in both houses, passed the Adjusted Compensation Payment Act in 1936, authorizing the immediate payment of the $2 billion in World War I bonuses, and then overrode Roosevelt's veto of the measure.[36] The House vote was 324 to 61,[37] and the Senate vote was 76 to 19.[38]

Bonus Army - Wikipedia

Roosevelt opposed paying it because it would require thousands of man hours and the money would cut into other programs; he offered them jobs, which was a better deal in his mind at the time, and something conservatives could compromise on as an alternative, if they weren't so enthusiastic about shooting down all the uppity proles which of course got their stooges tossed out of office and got Roosevelt elected in the first place, i.e. the same sort of dim-witted dumbassery that has them barely beating vermin like hillary by a few percentage points, for example.

Story I heard was they killed some of the marchers. But, I wasn't there.

 

[Rambunctious]

Why did Hitler declare war on the U.S.?

It was a distraction for the German people...Hitler wanted to hide the fact that the war against the Soviet Union was costing untold numbers of German soldiers....

 

[Votto]

Here's A Question

Britain And France Were Bound By Treaty To Ensure The Sovereignty Of Poland
Germany Invaded Poland, Britain And France Declared War On Germany
USSR Co-Invaded Poland With Germany
Britain And France Didn't Declare War On USSR

FDR, Churchill, DeGaulle, and Truman sold Poland out to Stalin.

Patton was right.

Patton was a moron

You're just pissed that he was right about the Russians.

History shows he was an excellent general.

Basically he just copied Rommel, and left the real war winning jobs in logistics to the mid-level types while focused on politics and wowing the press and the hicks back home with tales of his studly manliness and palying the gung ho 'hardass' for the rubes. He was a good division commander, with help, that's it. He wanted to run for President, like many of the other Generals.
I liked him , he just wasn't that great a general compared to many others.

Studying your opponent and making adjustments accordingly is part of what makes a great general.

Why is it that Montgomery could not seem to do that?

 

[rightwinger]

Here's A Question

Britain And France Were Bound By Treaty To Ensure The Sovereignty Of Poland
Germany Invaded Poland, Britain And France Declared War On Germany
USSR Co-Invaded Poland With Germany
Britain And France Didn't Declare War On USSR

FDR, Churchill, DeGaulle, and Truman sold Poland out to Stalin.

Patton was right.

Patton was a moron

You're just pissed that he was right about the Russians.

History shows he was an excellent general.

Excellent tactical general. Strategically, he was a moron
Engaging Russia would have needlessly killed 100,000 Americans
Ask the Germans how it turned out

 

[rightwinger]

Hitler is often described as a "mad man" whose declaration of war against the U.S. was the worst strategic blunder of WW2. But I am wondering if there may have been a rational basis for his decision.

In December 1941 the German army was at the gates of Moscow, poised for what it seemed to be an imminent defeat of the USSR. In that event, Germany would have established an impregnable Fortress Europe for years to come. In contrast Germany's ally Japan was about to be squashed by the far greater industrial resources of the U.S., possibly creating a new world empire even more threatening to Germany than that of the British.

By quickly declaring war against the U.S. could Hitler have decided that drawing off U.S. resources to fight an unwinnable war in Europe would extend the war with Japan (possibly to a stalemate) and eventually lead to a comprehensive peace treaty?

There is almost no documentation of Hitler's thinking on this matter, but being a monster does not necessarily make one a moron. Any thoughts on this theory?

Roosevelt started arming the UK, USSR, France and China, cut off fuel to Japan and moved the Pacific fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor.

The jackass party of slavery also instituted the first peacetime draft in US history.

That stuff certainly didn't go unnoticed by Hitler.

You think FDR was wrong to draft people?

Conscription is a particularly abhorrent form of slavery.

But of course Democrats have never been morally outraged by the institution of slavery.

Only way to fight a war of that magnitude

 

[miketx]

Here's A Question

Britain And France Were Bound By Treaty To Ensure The Sovereignty Of Poland
Germany Invaded Poland, Britain And France Declared War On Germany
USSR Co-Invaded Poland With Germany
Britain And France Didn't Declare War On USSR

FDR, Churchill, DeGaulle, and Truman sold Poland out to Stalin.

Patton was right.

Patton was a moron

You're just pissed that he was right about the Russians.

History shows he was an excellent general.

Excellent tactical general. Strategically, he was a moron
Engaging Russia would have needlessly killed 100,000 Americans
Ask the Germans how it turned out

You progressives are so stupid. you can't ask them because they are all dead.

 

[Picaro]

Here's A Question

Britain And France Were Bound By Treaty To Ensure The Sovereignty Of Poland
Germany Invaded Poland, Britain And France Declared War On Germany
USSR Co-Invaded Poland With Germany
Britain And France Didn't Declare War On USSR

FDR, Churchill, DeGaulle, and Truman sold Poland out to Stalin.

Patton was right.

Patton was a moron

You're just pissed that he was right about the Russians.

History shows he was an excellent general.

Basically he just copied Rommel, and left the real war winning jobs in logistics to the mid-level types while focused on politics and wowing the press and the hicks back home with tales of his studly manliness and palying the gung ho 'hardass' for the rubes. He was a good division commander, with help, that's it. He wanted to run for President, like many of the other Generals.
I liked him , he just wasn't that great a general compared to many others.

Studying your opponent and making adjustments accordingly is part of what makes a great general.

Why is it that Montgomery could not seem to do that?

Montgomery wasn't a great one, either; he was way to cautious, which is why Bradley's much more aggressive tactics were successful in Sicily and quickly settled that theater while Montgomery was still fiddle faddling around.We would probably still be trying to take Sicily today if it were left up to Montgomery's leadership. Britain's best general as William Slim, possibly the best General of the war as well. His achievements were some pretty amazing feats.

 

[Picaro]

Why did Hitler declare war on the U.S.?

It was a distraction for the German people...Hitler wanted to hide the fact that the war against the Soviet Union was costing untold numbers of German soldiers....

He had to raid his neighbors to survive after 1938, when his big economic plan his fans around the world were gushing over failed miserably and he was left vulnerable politically at home.

 

[jwoodie]

Hitler didn’t have a whole lot of respect for the war making capabilities of America.

He considered us nothing more than “a country of mongrels filled with n*****s and Jews”.

He also counted on the large German Bund groups and sympathizers like Joe Kennedy and Lindberg, and the GOP and anti-Roosevelt Democrats to keep the U.S. out of the war despite FDR's efforts; it was FDR who turned out to be right, not the isolationist tards.

/—-/ Many Americans were still reeling from the bloodbath of WWI and didn’t want to get involved in another European mess.

True, but that doesn't change the fact that it has always been a futile fantasy. Even Jefferson had to face that reality of geo-politics in 1803.

I suppose you are a fan of Woodrow Wilson?