Why cant progressives understand

[Moonglow]

individual liberty and freedom is PROGRESS? Statism is REGRESSIVE. By the very definition..
"im a progressive. i believe people should only say what the govt allows"
You people are so stupid. smh

That really is not what progressive is since the person trying to curtail freedoms is a doing a regressive act of intolerance...Damn those Latin prefixes...

The American left wants more and more government, more rules, more taxation and wants the average American to pony up to help foreigners that want to live here. The American left is no friend of average Americans who are looking to be free and prosper.

The left is not in power, so they can shit in one hand and wish it was in another...The right wants more power but they keep screwing up and shooting folks in parades, getting sued and going broke...

 

[Pete7469]

No, you are just always wrong

She gets it right once in a while.

 

[Moonglow]

individual liberty and freedom is PROGRESS? Statism is REGRESSIVE. By the very definition..
"im a progressive. i believe people should only say what the govt allows"
You people are so stupid. smh

That really is not what progressive is since the person trying to curtail freedoms is a doing a regressive act of intolerance...Damn those Latin prefixes...

thats my point lol

Sharpen it..

 

[NightFox]

That still does not answer the question. What do you oppose regarding Marxism?

As you say, we are taking "steps" toward it voting for the DNC, so what step should we be avoiding so we don't step in poo?

Well, when the government owns all the factories and banks and businesses and is the landlord to us all, we ought to worry. What has always worried me more than that is that when communism takes over, millions of its own people end up being killed. Why it must always be authoritarian and repress human rights, I don't know. But that has been its track record.

Leftists are usually that way. That's why conservatives support limited government and more freedom for the people. Leftist ideology is no friend of the common citizen.

If only people could be free and still have healthcare and a job that paid their bills. Unions and universal payer healthcare have a role in making life for the common citizen better, imo.

You mean unions where employees are FORCED to join? No thanks. They're corrupt.

Nothing is perfect, but I don't believe employees are forced to join unions anymore. I wasn't.

It's determined by State Labor Laws and/or Constitutional Provisions and whether or not they prohibit union security agreements so it varies by State (If I'm not mistaken 28 states prohibit these ), so in the States that don't have such prohibition you *could* be forced to join a union as a condition of employment by a given employer.

 

[TNHarley]

No, you are just always wrong

She gets it right once in a while.

everyone does. Bad thing about her is, she usually sides against freedom and private property.

 

[Pete7469]

That still does not answer the question. What do you oppose regarding Marxism?

As you say, we are taking "steps" toward it voting for the DNC, so what step should we be avoiding so we don't step in poo?

I'd say, stay off of other people's lawn and you won't step in shit.

The way to prosperity was paved a long time ago. After just 241 the US has become a financial juggernaut with a GDP that rivals almost that of the entire world. Nations and cultures that have existed for thousands of years can't compare to what we accomplished by keeping government managed, not being managed by government and allowing people to prosper on their own efforts, or put forth less effort and achieve little. It's called freedom and responsibility.

 

[TNHarley]

individual liberty and freedom is PROGRESS? Statism is REGRESSIVE. By the very definition..
"im a progressive. i believe people should only say what the govt allows"
You people are so stupid. smh

That really is not what progressive is since the person trying to curtail freedoms is a doing a regressive act of intolerance...Damn those Latin prefixes...

thats my point lol

Sharpen it..

Why? I thought it was pretty clear.

 

[TNHarley]

That still does not answer the question. What do you oppose regarding Marxism?

As you say, we are taking "steps" toward it voting for the DNC, so what step should we be avoiding so we don't step in poo?

I'd say, stay off of other people's lawn and you won't step in shit.

The way to prosperity was paved a long time ago. After just 241 the US has become a financial juggernaut with a GDP that rivals almost that of the entire world. Nations and cultures that have existed for thousands of years can't compare to what we accomplished by keeping government managed, not being managed by government and allowing people to prosper on their own efforts, or put forth less effort and achieve little. It's called freedom and responsibility.

Its called PROGRESS

 

[Moonglow]

individual liberty and freedom is PROGRESS? Statism is REGRESSIVE. By the very definition..
"im a progressive. i believe people should only say what the govt allows"
You people are so stupid. smh

That really is not what progressive is since the person trying to curtail freedoms is a doing a regressive act of intolerance...Damn those Latin prefixes...

thats my point lol

Sharpen it..

Why? I thought it was pretty clear.

I just like to see wood whittled...

 

[Pete7469]

everyone does. Bad thing about her is, she usually sides against freedom and private property.

She isn't a moron about it though. I think she just has to stand up for her side because so many of them are blithering idiots.

 

[OldLady]

It's true. I turn off and expect no sense whatsoever from a poster who immediately calls me a communist or a Marxist. Last thing I am and anyone who thinks that is what Dems are supporting is just plain crackers. It is nothing but divisive propaganda and extreme hyperbole, alternate facts as some would say.
So that kind of gibberish doesn't facilitate discussion or even making someone aware of another point of view. Some of us would listen, but when they start right out with "You aren't talking about cognizant people who critically analyse information, use facts or logic or even desire to make the effort to think...." I'm pretty much not going to read the rest.

You're one of the few libs I have any respect for on the forum OL, but you know damn well the democrook party is RIDDLED with people who are nothing less than ardent communists. You might not be a red diaper baby, you might respect other people's desire to keep most of what they earn, you might respect private property and the RKBA, but most of the fools in your party do not.

That explains a lot of what's going on here. I'm not a Democrat. Never have been. So how would I know who's communist.
It does concern me that a few Democrats have been talking about a maximum cap on earnings for individuals. Now THAT sounds like communism to me, or damned close to it. But it is definitely NOT a part of the Dems platform. If you actually listen to the words actual Dem leaders say, they are more moderate than you guys pretend.

 

[OldLady]

It's true. I turn off and expect no sense whatsoever from a poster who immediately calls me a communist or a Marxist. Last thing I am and anyone who thinks that is what Dems are supporting is just plain crackers. It is nothing but divisive propaganda and extreme hyperbole, alternate facts as some would say.
So that kind of gibberish doesn't facilitate discussion or even making someone aware of another point of view. Some of us would listen, but when they start right out with "You aren't talking about cognizant people who critically analyse information, use facts or logic or even desire to make the effort to think...." I'm pretty much not going to read the rest.

You're one of the few libs I have any respect for on the forum OL, but you know damn well the democrook party is RIDDLED with people who are nothing less than ardent communists. You might not be a red diaper baby, you might respect other people's desire to keep most of what they earn, you might respect private property and the RKBA, but most of the fools in your party do not.

That explains a lot of what's going on here. I'm not a Democrat. Never have been. So how would I know who's communist.
It does concern me that a few Democrats have been talking about a maximum cap on earnings for individuals. Now THAT sounds like communism to me, or damned close to it. But it is definitely NOT a part of the Dems platform. If you actually listen to the words actual Dem leaders say, they are more moderate than you guys pretend.

Okay. Sick of getting laughed at by the fucking joker. I'm outta here.

 

[TNHarley]

It's true. I turn off and expect no sense whatsoever from a poster who immediately calls me a communist or a Marxist. Last thing I am and anyone who thinks that is what Dems are supporting is just plain crackers. It is nothing but divisive propaganda and extreme hyperbole, alternate facts as some would say.
So that kind of gibberish doesn't facilitate discussion or even making someone aware of another point of view. Some of us would listen, but when they start right out with "You aren't talking about cognizant people who critically analyse information, use facts or logic or even desire to make the effort to think...." I'm pretty much not going to read the rest.

You're one of the few libs I have any respect for on the forum OL, but you know damn well the democrook party is RIDDLED with people who are nothing less than ardent communists. You might not be a red diaper baby, you might respect other people's desire to keep most of what they earn, you might respect private property and the RKBA, but most of the fools in your party do not.

That explains a lot of what's going on here. I'm not a Democrat. Never have been. So how would I know who's communist.
It does concern me that a few Democrats have been talking about a maximum cap on earnings for individuals. Now THAT sounds like communism to me, or damned close to it. But it is definitely NOT a part of the Dems platform. If you actually listen to the words actual Dem leaders say, they are more moderate than you guys pretend.

Okay. Sick of getting laughed at by the fucking joker. I'm outta here.

I laughed because the essence of communism is the non existence of money and the state. Its not my fault your stupid posts make me laugh OL.
I also laughed because you said Dem leaders are moderate. What leaders are you referring to? The ones nobody ever hears about?

 

[Pete7469]

That explains a lot of what's going on here. I'm not a Democrat. Never have been. So how would I know who's communist.
It does concern me that a few Democrats have been talking about a maximum cap on earnings for individuals. Now THAT sounds like communism to me, or damned close to it. But it is definitely NOT a part of the Dems platform. If you actually listen to the words actual Dem leaders say, they are more moderate than you guys pretend.

It depends on who they're talking to. On a national stage you're likely to hear them sound "moderate", but when the campaigns are over who is the democrook "maverick"? Which democrook has broke from the rest of the party in recent years to oppose gun control? How many supported the the investigation into how planned parenthood sold baby parts? What democrooks want to reign in the EPA, undo or even alter obozocare, investigate hitlery, tighten border security, throw out ANY illegals, even the criminals? The republicrat "maverick" was a celebrity, until he ran against the moonbat messiah, then he was a nazi again.

So please tell me whom these democrook "moderates" are? I don't see one. I heard the meat puppet faggot claim all sorts of "moderate" positions in his campaign, but when he was in a room full of zealots he flatly insisted he was all for single payer, they just couldn't get it done yet. In the same sorts of rooms he assured sycophants of his contempt for the rest of us and declared that because he looked "different" we clung to our guns and religion and hated him because he was black. Maybe not in so many words, but that was his context. I've even heard democrooks assert on the floor of congress that they should nationalize the oil industry.

Ask Venezuela how well that worked for them.

 

[Tehon]

I turn off and expect no sense whatsoever from a poster who immediately calls me a communist or a Marxist.

Embrace it.

 

[Tehon]

Democratic socialism isn't Marxism.

It's not even close.

 

[Tehon]

It's true. I turn off and expect no sense whatsoever from a poster who immediately calls me a communist or a Marxist. Last thing I am and anyone who thinks that is what Dems are supporting is just plain crackers. It is nothing but divisive propaganda and extreme hyperbole, alternate facts as some would say.
So that kind of gibberish doesn't facilitate discussion or even making someone aware of another point of view. Some of us would listen, but when they start right out with "You aren't talking about cognizant people who critically analyse information, use facts or logic or even desire to make the effort to think...." I'm pretty much not going to read the rest.

Well then, where did Chavez go wrong? Bernie won't answer that question.

And when Hillary was asked what is the difference between a socialist and a democrat, she won't answer as well.

Democratic socialism isn't Marxism. I know socialism is a step toward communism if that is your goal, but that if that is NOT your goal, it is not a step toward communism. It is no more sensible or accurate to call all liberals communists than it is for liberals to call all conservatives racists and Nazis.

That still does not answer the question. What do you oppose regarding Marxism?

As you say, we are taking "steps" toward it voting for the DNC, so what step should we be avoiding so we don't step in poo?

Well, when the government owns all the factories and banks and businesses and is the landlord to us all, we ought to worry. What has always worried me more than that is that when communism takes over, millions of its own people end up being killed. Why it must always be authoritarian and repress human rights, I don't know. But that has been its track record.

Hitler did not own all the factories and banks and businesses, yet he fully embraced a socialist state in every other capacity. He gave free medical and education and retirement, etc., etc. Is this the model of the DNC you speak of?

Hitler once said, "Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?". Hitler understood the only issue was control. He still had full control over industry even though he did not own them in name.

Looking at the US, we seem to be following a very similar model with a "privatized" Fed and bailing corporations out, etc.

Hitler's economic policies were quite successful at lifting Germany out of depression.

 

[Toronado3800]

individual liberty and freedom is PROGRESS? Statism is REGRESSIVE. By the very definition..
"im a progressive. i believe people should only say what the govt allows"
You people are so stupid. smh

I think your definitions are running to the extreme somewhat like how every series of comparisons end up with Hitler.

If you want to win supporters for your cause the answer is not name calling but bridging the gap.

I have to "win supporters" for freedom. Holy shit

I suppose it is all in the POV then TNHarley.

Consider though, your posts here have made me figure everything you type is a bit of "team worship" cheerleader quality posting.

A bit more gentle persuasion would get you further.

Unless arguing and chest thumping are what you are your goal not making people agree your point of view is best.

"team worship" Not sure what that means

Team worship....like in sports. A fan embraces the cheats and criminals on his favorite team but wants those from other teams banned from the league.

Politics is that way anynore. Folks have a team they root for and fall in line with its members and ideology no matter how inconsistent or swaying it is.

Me, I like guns, I love the death penalty, I believe we have had socialized medicine since hospitals became worth going to and I recognize the big government expendatures of the 19th century which built the U.S.

So I am not a cheerleader for either team we are stuck with.

Makes me dangerous and honest.

 

[Conservative65]

individual liberty and freedom is PROGRESS? Statism is REGRESSIVE. By the very definition..
"im a progressive. i believe people should only say what the govt allows"
You people are so stupid. smh

They've been brainwashed to believe that what they support is actually what they want instead of what they're being told to do. That's how brainwashing works. Make someone think what they support is really their idea.

 

[TNHarley]

individual liberty and freedom is PROGRESS? Statism is REGRESSIVE. By the very definition..
"im a progressive. i believe people should only say what the govt allows"
You people are so stupid. smh

I think your definitions are running to the extreme somewhat like how every series of comparisons end up with Hitler.

If you want to win supporters for your cause the answer is not name calling but bridging the gap.

I have to "win supporters" for freedom. Holy shit

I suppose it is all in the POV then TNHarley.

Consider though, your posts here have made me figure everything you type is a bit of "team worship" cheerleader quality posting.

A bit more gentle persuasion would get you further.

Unless arguing and chest thumping are what you are your goal not making people agree your point of view is best.

"team worship" Not sure what that means

Team worship....like in sports. A fan embraces the cheats and criminals on his favorite team but wants those from other teams banned from the league.

Politics is that way anynore. Folks have a team they root for and fall in line with its members and ideology no matter how inconsistent or swaying it is.

Me, I like guns, I love the death penalty, I believe we have had socialized medicine since hospitals became worth going to and I recognize the big government expendatures of the 19th century which built the U.S.

So I am not a cheerleader for either team we are stuck with.

Makes me dangerous and honest.

i aint either. I wish we would ban the duopoly. They both hate us