Why are the R lynching Michael Steele?

[007]

They want to try to chase away a great asset to their party. Look being black is a huge asset, but I respect him more for his intelligence and good fiscal conservative principles!

Why the hell do they choose to embrace Palin? Palin turned out to be a meat-head! The D would lick their lips if she was the choosen one in 2012. They embrace uncharismatic Bobby Jindal, but I can't seem him beating the highly charismatic Big O in a debate.

And Steele said the right thing on abortion! Its should be left up to the states to decide! Look the more the Republicans push an agenda that appears to like the religious right the more elections they will lose! America typically likes right leaning moderates and not far right leaning religious freaks!

Huckabee, I love that you are a fair tax man, but you can take your non-belief in evolution and your non-belief that the dinosaurs never existed and stick it up your ass!

"Look?" At what? Aren't you "talking?" Wouldn't "LISTEN" be much more appropriate since you're "talking?" You've been listening to the pundits and politicians too long. You've started talking like them. They ALL say "LOOK." Look at what? You can't "see" spoken words.

Now that I've exposed your gulability and propensity to follow the crowd, link me to where Huckabee says he doesn't believe dinasours walked the earth.

 

[BrokenAngel]

Lynching?



You are a race baiter! And, a liar!

I might be race baiting, but I am not a liar! What can I say I am a fan of Steele and would actually like to case my vote this time instead of voting for the lesser evil! I was excited when Steele became the chairman, because I thought he would use it as a launching pad to run in 2012!

He has might vote, that is if Mitt Romney isn't running!

I really think it has more to do with him trying to send that urban hip hop message than anything else.

TPMDC | Talking Points Memo | Steele's New GOP Message: "My Bad"; Bachmann To Steele: "You Be Da Man!"

The GOP's Hip-Hop Makeover

Steele is an asset to the Republican Party. His views on a lot of things, such as state's rights, are welcomed and they speak for what the people are screaming for. The "urban message" though has rubbed a lot of the GOP the wrong way. They have said they are tired of the "bling" message and what not. I think it offends their sensabilities because it is not a tradtional way of rhitnking. Plus.. and lets be honest.. it doesn't exactly look natural on the man. He looks a little like my own dad trying too hard to be cool when he stands up their saying "Are there any conservatives in the house?"

 

[WillowTree]

Yet whenever I ask someone who espouses these thoughts what exactly is being crammed down their throats via someone else's religious doctrine, they never have an answer for me.

REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE.



Giving the STATE or THE FEDS the right to decide for women whether they bring a pegnancy to term is cramming someobdy else's religion down their throats.

Clear enough?

Funny innit? The party of people who want to convince us they are adult enough to make "REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE" are the same people who aren't adult enough to don a condom or swallow a pill..

 

[born rich]

1) Steele lacks the mojo for the front of the house.

2) Sara Palin was a stunt -- she was used to throw the election. Had the GOP taken the country from Gingrich/Clinton prosperity to Great Depression II, and still been in office while their policies came home to roost, they would have lost the presidency in 2012 (badly), and, more importantly, the Dems would have a filibuster proof margin in the Senate, with the largest House majority in history. The country would be looking at another liberal era, like 1945-1980.

McCain literally had no choice. If the GOP had the presidency right now, it would have bankrupted them for the long term. I applaud the GOP's choice. They put Obama and the Dems in a financial black hole from which they will not escape. Gingrich is poised to re-take Washington in 2012, and the GOP can go back to the politics of terrorism -- a necessary front for the continued defunding the middle class.

 

[007]

1) Steele lacks the mojo for the front of the house.

2) Sara Palin was a stunt -- she was used to throw the election. Had the GOP taken the country from Gingrich/Clinton prosperity to Great Depression II, and still been in office while their policies came home to roost, they would have lost the presidency in 2012 (badly), and, more importantly, the Dems would have a filibuster proof margin in the Senate, with the largest House majority in history. The country would be looking at another liberal era, like 1945-1980.

McCain literally had no choice. If the GOP had the presidency right now, it would have bankrupted them for the long term. I applaud the GOP's choice. They put Obama and the Dems in a financial black hole from which they will not escape. Gingrich is poised to re-take Washington in 2012, and the GOP can go back to the politics of terrorism -- a necessary front for the continued defunding the middle class.

You're kind of all over the spectrum here, but pretty close to the truth. Do you have a political leaning? I don't really pick one up from your post.

 

[editec]

I don't completely disagree with your analysis. A bit over simplified when it comes to who is in the party and what they think. But look, the liberal wing (bluebloods) are for illegal immigration (good for business doncha know), for increased government regulation, for tax and spend fiscal policies and are generally far more Machiavellian in their attitudes and policies. Also, I think you have it wrong about where neo-cons come from. The bluebloods can up with that theory as an militaristic adjunct to their "free markets" philosophy. If we turn other countries into democracies, we'll have more markets to sell to. (Good for business doncha know).

As to the Bible thumpers, they are as poisonous in large doses as the bluebloods.

I think the solution is strengthening the libertarian part of the Repub party and have a little flavoring from the thumpers and bluebloods. Just a little around the edges. Where the party has gotten into trouble is allowing either of those wings to have too much say so in policies or ideas.

At least the libertarians are reality based problem solvers.

As a humanist I find their solutions somewhat repulsive, but I can appreiate their honesty, if nothing else.

They don't PRETEND to give a shit about their fellow men.

Social darwinism has proved to be disasterous everywhere it's tried (because its victims won't just off themselves as libertarians imagine they will) but it's marginally better thought out than the artsy fartsy excesses of many who image themsleves to be liberals.

Perhaps that is a valid criticism of some "hard core" libertarians. I don't actually know any current supporters of Manchester Liberalism, but I'll let you know if I run in to Sumner someplace. He'd be a little elderly at this point though.

I think of current libertarian thought as being directional rather than destinational. The practicalities of where we find ourselves and the tensions from other aspects of the party would prevent ever arriving anywhere near the destination. If United States v. Darby Lumber Co. ever gets overturned, you let me know and then you might have something to worry about. That would mean the libertarians had actually made a dent in the New Deal socialism and was actively rolling it back.

Until then, all you can say is they want less and smaller government in general. I know just that is plenty offensive to some here.

I could probably sign onto libertarianism in some aspects if it was predicated on the assumption that history mattered.

But since few Libertarians are ever willing to acknowledge that them what has the power didn't actually get it by hard work, but through theft, and since they deny that every person who is a citizen deserves a REAL chance to make it in America, I think of them as basically having a philosophy that makes sense EXCEPT for the largely unspoken presupposition that we all had/have the same opportunities to make it.

I would dearly LOVE to live in the meritocracy most libertarians think we live in.

Sadly we don't, ergo, libertarianism is flawed at its givens.

 

[Newby]

Yet whenever I ask someone who espouses these thoughts what exactly is being crammed down their throats via someone else's religious doctrine, they never have an answer for me.

REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE.



Giving the STATE or THE FEDS the right to decide for women whether they bring a pegnancy to term is cramming someobdy else's religion down their throats.

Clear enough?

REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE can and should be made before conception is even in the picture. Clear enough?

And that's it? That's all you can think of that the 'religious right' is trying to push on you? And technically, they're not even doing that since killing your unborn child is legal. So, what else?

 

[jillian]

REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE can and should be made before conception is even in the picture. Clear enough?

In your view... and you can feel free to comport yourself accordingly. Now do us all a favor and stay away from everyone else.

Thanks.

 

[WillowTree]

Yet whenever I ask someone who espouses these thoughts what exactly is being crammed down their throats via someone else's religious doctrine, they never have an answer for me.

REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE.



Giving the STATE or THE FEDS the right to decide for women whether they bring a pegnancy to term is cramming someobdy else's religion down their throats.

Clear enough?

REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE can and should be made before conception is even in the picture. Clear enough?

And that's it? That's all you can think of that the 'religious right' is trying to push on you? And technically, they're not even doing that since killing your unborn child is legal. So, what else?

Absolutely!

 

[Newby]

REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE can and should be made before conception is even in the picture. Clear enough?

In your view... and you can feel free to comport yourself accordingly. Now do us all a favor and stay away from everyone else.

Thanks.

I will as soon as you let my freedom of speech alone, quit trying to infringe on my right to bear arms, and quit grabbing all of my tax dollars to promote your own 'moral' agenda.

And to excuse the murder of a baby under the guise of 'choice' is the most uncaring, inhumane action I can think of, yet the left stands on their moral high horse about supposedly caring and having a bleeding heart for every other thing on the planet that can promote their agenda. Too bad babies don't help out your cause in some way, huh?

 

[Red Dawn]

Yet whenever I ask someone who espouses these thoughts what exactly is being crammed down their throats via someone else's religious doctrine, they never have an answer for me.

REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE.



Giving the STATE or THE FEDS the right to decide for women whether they bring a pegnancy to term is cramming someobdy else's religion down their throats.

Clear enough?

Funny innit? The party of people who want to convince us they are adult enough to make "REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE" are the same people who aren't adult enough to don a condom or swallow a pill..

1) conservative wingnuts don't think teenagers should be educated in condom use, pills, or contraception.

2) Cons fought tooth and nail to keep Plan B contraception off the market

3) pills and condoms aren't 100% effective.

4) I know for a fact that a lot of rich republican women would go to canada, or a liberal state to get an abortion if they needed one, while denying the same right to other women in their home state.

 

[BrokenAngel]

REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE can and should be made before conception is even in the picture. Clear enough?

In your view... and you can feel free to comport yourself accordingly. Now do us all a favor and stay away from everyone else.

Thanks.

Do you believe an abortion after 28 weeks, or partial birth abortions, are alright? I promise I am not a hate mongering flamer but more curious as to where you view a line should be drawn if any.

 

[xotoxi]

Look being black is a huge asset...

Are you saying that Steele is a huge black asset?

 

[Newby]

REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE.



Giving the STATE or THE FEDS the right to decide for women whether they bring a pegnancy to term is cramming someobdy else's religion down their throats.

Clear enough?

Funny innit? The party of people who want to convince us they are adult enough to make "REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE" are the same people who aren't adult enough to don a condom or swallow a pill..

1) conservative wingnuts don't think teenagers should be educated in condom use, pills, or contraception.

2) Cons fought tooth and nail to keep Plan B contraception off the market

3) pills and condoms aren't 100% effective.

4) I know for a fact that a lot of rich republican women would go to canada, or a liberal state to get an abortion if they needed one, while denying the same right to other women in their home state.

You know for a 'fact' that 'rich republican women' would go elsewhere? Falacious argument anyone?

 

[WillowTree]

REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE.



Giving the STATE or THE FEDS the right to decide for women whether they bring a pegnancy to term is cramming someobdy else's religion down their throats.

Clear enough?

Funny innit? The party of people who want to convince us they are adult enough to make "REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE" are the same people who aren't adult enough to don a condom or swallow a pill..

1) conservative wingnuts don't think teenagers should be educated in condom use, pills, or contraception.

2) Cons fought tooth and nail to keep Plan B contraception off the market

3) pills and condoms aren't 100% effective.

4) I know for a fact that a lot of rich republican women would go to canada, or a liberal state to get an abortion if they needed one, while denying the same right to other women in their home state.

s only teens become impregnated and seek abortion? When you are 20- 30- and 40- it ain't happen????

 

[WillowTree]

REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE.



Giving the STATE or THE FEDS the right to decide for women whether they bring a pegnancy to term is cramming someobdy else's religion down their throats.

Clear enough?

Funny innit? The party of people who want to convince us they are adult enough to make "REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE" are the same people who aren't adult enough to don a condom or swallow a pill..

1) conservative wingnuts don't think teenagers should be educated in condom use, pills, or contraception.

2) Cons fought tooth and nail to keep Plan B contraception off the market

3) pills and condoms aren't 100% effective.

4) I know for a fact that a lot of rich republican women would go to canada, or a liberal state to get an abortion if they needed one, while denying the same right to other women in their home state.[/QUOTE]



You know it for a fact huh? Okay, I'm all ready to be convinced. Show me! (sorry Missourian couldn't help myself)

 

[BrokenAngel]

1) conservative wingnuts don't think teenagers should be educated in condom use, pills, or contraception.

2) Cons fought tooth and nail to keep Plan B contraception off the market

3) pills and condoms aren't 100% effective.

4) I know for a fact that a lot of rich republican women would go to canada, or a liberal state to get an abortion if they needed one, while denying the same right to other women in their home state.

1) Wingnuts aren't even close to the party majority and most Conservatives would rather their child be taught how to use condoms, pills, or any form of contraception before being taught that abortion is a viable and easy to use option. The issue Conservatives have is spending tax payer dollars in a "Bailout" bill to purchase condoms and give them out freely. If you are going to have sex go buy your own. I personally don't feel like buying boxes of condoms to drop off at a frat house so they can have a blast over the weekend so why should my taxpayer money go towards that?

2) Plan B feels like murder to those Conservatives who are a little more hard core in their beliefs. Anyone who feels that as soon as the egg is fertalized it is a spirit living and growing in the womb would have an issue with that. You are disallowing the egg to connect to the walls of the uterus and flushing out your system when you take the Plan B pill. I think it is wrong to push abortion or pro-life beliefs on anyone, but you do need to understand where the world is coming from if you wish to change it rather than just complain.

3) Pills and condoms are not 100% effective that is true. Which is why Conservatives do believe abstinance should also be taught as a form of birth control. Why it should be culturally understood that you should avoid sex before marriage. Condoms won't even protect you against some of the diseases out there and with the rate at which these diseases are spreading you should avoid sexual contact before being tested and commited to each other anyways.

4) The rich have always, and will always believe that a different set of rules apply to them whether they are Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, it doesn't matter. I am a moderate in my beliefs and my recent pregnancy was unplanned. I fought with my boyfriend and got him to understand I was not ready for a child, that I needed more time to be young and foolish and stupid so I went to Planned Parenthood. Sitting in the waiting room I was between two women. One was a single mother of 4 who worked hard to get what she could for her children and found herself pregnant again. She couldn't afford another child or to take the time off work to deal with the pregnancy. The other girl next to me was 17 and waiting for her friend. This 17 year old told me about her mother's history as we sat there talking. Her grandmother was going to have an abortion and at the last minute decided against it. She felt she could have the child and just give it up. That child was this girl's mother and that story along with seeing my son on the screen made me run out of that clinic as fast as my feed would carry me. If nothing else I could have always given him up right? Allowed him to be adopted out to a family that was ready for him and wanted a child. By the time he arrived I couldn't bare the thought of not seeing him walk or hearing his first words... and that may have showed me what I feel about abortion when it comes to my own body but I wouldn't push that belief on someone else. I just wish people would think rather than doing what I did initially and panic out of fear of not being ready or out of a want to be free.

 

[Newby]

Nice post, Angel. I guess I don't look at it as pushing a 'belief' that I have on someone else. It is not a 'belief', it is accepted in our society that murder is wrong, and I simply see it as murder.

 

[BrokenAngel]

Nice post, Angel. I guess I don't look at it as pushing a 'belief' that I have on someone else. It is not a 'belief', it is accepted in our society that murder is wrong, and I simply see it as murder.

That is the problem with belief.. it becomes engrained that the belief is the ONLY TRUE way to be. Leaves little room for understanding of your fellow man. Also.. if you are religious at all.. God says He is the final judge of man's sin so as long as your life is lived well what does it matter to you if your neighbor sins so long as it is not with you or against you? The baby is up.. have to get back to his flash cards and reading. ^_^

 

[Newby]

Nice post, Angel. I guess I don't look at it as pushing a 'belief' that I have on someone else. It is not a 'belief', it is accepted in our society that murder is wrong, and I simply see it as murder.

That is the problem with belief.. it becomes engrained that the belief is the ONLY TRUE way to be. Leaves little room for understanding of your fellow man. Also.. if you are religious at all.. God says He is the final judge of man's sin so as long as your life is lived well what does it matter to you if your neighbor sins so long as it is not with you or against you? The baby is up.. have to get back to his flash cards and reading. ^_^

There are absolute rights and there are absolute wrongs, killing an innocent baby is wrong, there isn't any 'belief' in there. I also think that a woman will pay her own personal ramifications after killing her own child, but I don't care about the woman, I care about the innocent child being murdered.