Why are Republicans being blamed for this shutdown?

[thanatos144]

You mean like those 50+ bills that are sitting in Reid's desk?

The HOUSE has voted on 3 bills. The HOUSE is the ONLY body to have voted to keep government open.

Why isn't the Senate going to conference to negotiate?

Nope sorry, the Senate sent 3 bills to the house (voted on all of them) and each one funded the government. The House is the one that didn't vote on any of them because Boehner knew they'd pass.

when?

 

[Darkwind]

Today, the DNC released this about the Government shutdown.

They made us do it!

 

[Darkwind]

You mean like those 50+ bills that are sitting in Reid's desk?

The HOUSE has voted on 3 bills. The HOUSE is the ONLY body to have voted to keep government open.

Why isn't the Senate going to conference to negotiate?

Nope sorry, the Senate sent 3 bills to the house (voted on all of them) and each one funded the government. The House is the one that didn't vote on any of them because Boehner knew they'd pass.

Wrong.

The HOUSE has sent two bills that keep the government open.

If you have to be this dishonest to make a point, you should reconsider your position.

You own this. Be proud. Now you can say that you have cut government spending and finally shut up the GOP!

 

[Nyvin]

You mean like those 50+ bills that are sitting in Reid's desk?

The HOUSE has voted on 3 bills. The HOUSE is the ONLY body to have voted to keep government open.

Why isn't the Senate going to conference to negotiate?

Nope sorry, the Senate sent 3 bills to the house (voted on all of them) and each one funded the government. The House is the one that didn't vote on any of them because Boehner knew they'd pass.

Wrong.

The HOUSE has sent two bills that keep the government open.

If you have to be this dishonest to make a point, you should reconsider your position.

You own this. Be proud. Now you can say that you have cut government spending and finally shut up the GOP!

Okay, after looking into it, it's actually "two" bills the Senate sent the house. But still, the House didn't vote on either measure without their precious delay of ACA in it. That shows where their goals lay.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The House Rules Committee has been in existence since 1789. The first actual government shutdown was in 1976 during the Ford Administration. Over the past 80 years and 64 years that Democrats have controlled the Rules Committee, there have been fifteen government shutdowns. FIFTEEN. In the 16 years the Republicans have controlled it there have been two. TWO.

So, why are the Republicans being blamed? Yeah, Democrats have very short memories.


September 30 - October 11, 1976: Citing out of control spending, President Gerald Ford vetoed a funding bill for the United States Department of Labor and the United States Department of Health, Education, and Welfare (HEW), leading to a partial government shutdown. On October 1, the Democratic-controlled Congress overrode Ford's veto but it took until October 11 for a continuing resolution ending funding gaps for other parts of government to become law.

September 30 - October 13, 1977: The Democratic-controlled House continued to uphold the ban on using Medicaid dollars to pay for abortions, except in cases where the life of the mother was at stake. Meanwhile, the Democratic-controlled Senate pressed to loosen the ban to allow abortion funding in the case of rape or incest. A funding gap was created when disagreement over the issue between the houses had become tied to funding for the Departments of Labor and HEW, leading to a partial government shutdown. A temporary agreement was made to restore funding through October 31, 1977, allowing more time for Congress to resolve its dispute.

October 31 - November 9 1977: The earlier temporary funding agreement expired. President Jimmy Carter signed a second funding agreement to allow for more time for negotiation.

November 30 - December 9, 1977: The second temporary funding agreement expired. The House held firm against against the Senate in its effort to ban Medicaid paying for the abortions of victims of statutory rape. A deal was eventually struck which allowed Medicaid to pay for abortions in cases resulting from rape, incest, or in which the mother's health is at risk.

September 30 - October 18, 1978: Deeming them wasteful, President Carter vetoed a public works appropriations bill and a defense bill including funding for a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. Spending for the Department of HEW was also delayed over additional disputes concerning Medicaid funding for abortion.

September 30 - October 12, 1979: Against the opposition of the Senate, the House pushed for a 5.5 percent pay increase for congress members and senior civil servants. The House also sought to restrict federal spending on abortion only to cases where the mother's life is in danger, while the Senate wanted to maintain funding for abortions in cases of rape and incest.

November 20 - November 23, 1982: President Ronald Reagan pledged that he would veto any spending bill that failed to include at least half of the $8.4 billion in domestic budget cuts that he proposed. Although the Republican controlled Senate passed a bill that met his specifications, the Democratic House insisted on larger cuts to defense than Reagan wanted and for congressional and civil servant pay raises. A compromise bill fell $2 billion short of the cuts Reagan wanted, so Reagan vetoed the bill and shut down the federal government. A temporary bill restored spending through 15 December and gave Congress the time to work out a more lasting deal.

September 30 - October 2, 1982: Congress passed the required spending bills a day late.

December 17 - December 21, 1982: The Democratic controlled House and the Republican controlled Senate wished to fund jobs, but President Reagan vowed to veto any such legislation. The House also opposed plans to fund the MX missile. The shutdown ended after Congress abandoned their jobs plan, but Reagan was forced to yield on funding for both the MX and Pershing II missiles. He also accepted funding for the Legal Services Corporation, which he wanted abolished, in exchange for higher foreign aid to Israel.

November 10 - November 14, 1983: The Democratic controlled House increased education funding, but cut defense and foreign aid spending, which led to a dispute with President Reagan. Eventually, the House reduced their proposed education funding, and also accepted funding for the MX missile. However, the foreign aid and defense cuts remained, and oil and gas leasing was banned in federal wildlife refuges. Abortion was also prohibited for being paid for with government employee health insurance.

September 30 - October 3, 1984: The House wished to link the budget to both a crime-fighting package President Reagan supported and a water projects package he did not. The Senate additionally tied the budget to a civil rights measure designed to overturn Grove City v. Bell. Reagan proposed a compromise where he abandoned his crime package in exchange for Congress dropping theirs. A deal was not struck, and a three-day spending extension was passed instead.

October 3 - October 5, 1984: The three-day spending extension expired, forcing a shutdown. Congress dropped their proposed water and civil rights packages, while President Reagan kept his crime package. Funding for aid to the Nicaraguan Contras was also passed.

October 16 - October 18, 1986: A dispute over multiple issues between the Democratic controlled House and President Reagan and the Republican Senate forced a shutdown. The Democratic controlled House dropped many of their demands in exchange for a vote on their welfare package, and a concession of the sale of then-government-owned Conrail.

December 18 - December 20, 1987: Democrats, who now controlled both the House and the Senate, opposed funding for the Contras, and wanted the Federal Communications Commission to begin reenforcing the "Fairness Doctrine". They yielded on the "Fairness Doctrine" in exchange for non-lethal aid to the Contras.

October 5 - October 9, 1990: President George H.W. Bush vowed to veto any continuing resolution that was not paired with a deficit reduction package, and did so when one reached his desk. The House failed to override his veto before a shutdown occurred. Congress then passed a continuing resolution with a deficit reduction package that Bush signed to end the shutdown.

November 13 - November 19, 1995: In the shutdown of 1995 and 1996 President Bill Clinton vetoed a continuing resolution passed by the Republican-controlled Congress. A deal was reached allowing for 75 percent funding for four weeks, and Clinton agreed to a seven-year timetable for a balanced budget.

December 16 - January 6, 1996: Subsequently the Republicans demanded President Clinton propose a budget with the seven-year timetable using Congressional Budget Office numbers, rather than Clinton's Office of Management and Budget numbers. However, Clinton refused. Eventually, Congress and Clinton agreed to pass a compromise budget.

You're very strange. None of these 'shutdowns' mirror the current situation. The Republicans are holding the country hostage because they want to kill the ACA, a law. There are ways to repeal a law without harming millions of American citizens, that the Republicans in the H. of Rep. are not capable of repealing the ACA has driven them to new lows.

 

[J.E.D]

You are the ones who HELD (past tense) this government hostage for this healthcare bill of yours.

Next.

We're talking "present tense" bud. You pubs hold the house and are the ones failing the nation right now.

Next.

Two compromise bills sent to the Senate. Both rejected.

You fucking own it.

You fucking wish.

 

[ron4342]

Darkwind posted:
Conciliatory bills and offers have been made to the Senate. They rejected all of it.
Ron sez:
True the Senate rejected the bills for a very SPECIFIC reason. President Obama requested a "clean" bill with no riders attached to it. EVERY BILL THE HOUSE SENT THE SENATE HAD A RIDER THAT WOULD GUT THE ACA. The House knew this before hand and continued to play politics by adding riders.
Here is something to keep in mind; The debt ceiling has been raised dozens of times by presidents from both parties. Reagan raised it 18 times. NOT ONCE, NEVER, has a political party added a rider to the bill to try to further their political agenda. NOT ONCE HAS THAT HAPPENED, UNTIL THE PRESENT DAY ASSHOLE REPUBLICANS DECIDED TO TRY TO HOLD THE US HOSTAGE SO THEY COULD GET THEIR WAY. What we have here is a minority trying to control a majority. Even the smarter republican politicians are condemning what they have done.

 

[Plasmaball]

i love also how you guys rail about how the world hates obama....Well since the right seems to be the blame on this one, the world isnt going to look to kind on you folks.