Zone1 WHUUUUUT??!$!#! corrupt mr Zelensky wants to take back crimea?

[otto105]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/03/europe/zelensky-ukraine-putin-erin-burnett-interview-intl-cmd/index.html

here we see the ultimate territorial greed by NATO and the EU displayed in "brave mr Zelensky's publicly stated goals".
a sea (the Black Sea) with connection at Turkey to the Medditeranean Sea and thus The Atlantic,
control of which is vital to the defense of Russia itself,
was taken from Russia via the principles of media manipulation, political manipulations and voting results manipulations in Ukraine (by The West, in the 2000s and 2010s probably, but before that as well).

and now that Russia finally stepped in and liberated the Russian native speakers in that region, who clearly indicated in several referendums that they wanted to be a part of Russia,
as well as that naval base, and while Zelensky is losing his war to regain control over his old border territories,
i do suspect the US Democrats to be supporting mr Zelensky for another round of war, that has no doubt proven very profitable for the insiders at the top, and more and more rounds (years!) of war.
juuuuust great. NOT!

So, you lika the pootin.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Zelensky is finished. What he wants or does not want is not important. He is totally inconsequential to this war now.

What skye thinks is totally inconsequential to this discussion. What she wants or does not want does not matter. She has no idea what she is talking about.

 

[peacefan]

So you think the Ukrainians should have left the Russian stooge in power when he didn't represent the wishes of the majority of the Ukrainian population.

not necessarily.
but what i *am* saying is that Zelensky and his gang of profiteers should have been a lot more reasonable in the Minsk agreement negotiations.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Russia agreed to the Minsk negotiations.

not necessarily.
but what i *am* saying is that Zelensky and his gang of profiteers should have been a lot more reasonable in the Minsk agreement negotiations.

 

[peacefan]

Russia agreed to the Minsk negotiations.

Minsk agreements - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Amid rising tensions between Russia and Ukraine in early 2022, Russia officially recognised the DPR and LPR on 21 February 2022.[9] Following that decision, on 22 February 2022, Russian President Vladimir Putin declared that the Minsk agreements "no longer existed", and that Ukraine, not Russia, was to blame for their collapse.[10] Russia then invaded Ukraine on 24 February 2022.[11]

 

[luiza]

So, you lika the pootin.

And why not ?Contrast with poor Americans who have someone as a President who is corrupt, a pervert and literally very badly mentally unbalanced .DearUncle P speaks good English , is teetotal , does not smoke and is very health conscious . What is there that we should dislike? And he is winning the war very easily .

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Russia agreed to the Minsk agreement.

 

[otto105]

And why not ?Contrast with poor Americans who have someone as a President who is corrupt, a pervert and literally very badly mentally unbalanced .DearUncle P speaks good English , is teetotal , does not smoke and is very health conscious . What is there that we should dislike? And he is winning the war very easily .

Learn English boi

Maybe then we can discuss.

 

[AZrailwhale]

not necessarily.
but what i *am* saying is that Zelensky and his gang of profiteers should have been a lot more reasonable in the Minsk agreement negotiations.

So you think Ukraine should have let Russia get away with invading and conquering part of its territory? Is that your definition of being "reasonable"? Allowing armed robbery to stand? If I pistol whip you and steal all your money, would you not call the police to get your money back?

 

[peacefan]

So you think Ukraine should have let Russia get away with invading and conquering part of its territory? Is that your definition of being "reasonable"? Allowing armed robbery to stand? If I pistol whip you and steal all your money, would you not call the police to get your money back?

due to the Russian native speakers in Eastern Ukraine, this can not be dismissed with a robbery comparison.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yes, of course it can be dismissed as a robbery comparison.

Only a litwit would think otherwise.

 

[AZrailwhale]

due to the Russian native speakers in Eastern Ukraine, this can not be dismissed with a robbery comparison.

There are millions of native Spanish speakers in California, should Mexico be allowed to invade and annex California? It's exactly comparable. Regardless of what native language they speak, citizens of Ukraine are Ukrainian, NOT RUSSIAN.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The Russian speakers are Ukrainians not Russians.

 

[peacefan]

There are millions of native Spanish speakers in California, should Mexico be allowed to invade and annex California? It's exactly comparable. Regardless of what native language they speak, citizens of Ukraine are Ukrainian, NOT RUSSIAN.

you're comparing apples to oranges.
the Spanish native speakers in California came to the US for better living conditions than they'd get in Mexico.
they're happy to integrate.

the native Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea have voiced their opinion in Russian-organized referendums : they want to join the Russian Federation or Russia.
those referendum results were subsequently dismissed as irrelevant by NATO and the EU!
PROOF THAT WE'VE HAD A SECRET PLAN SINCE AT LEAST THE 2000s TO TAKE UKRAINE AND THE BLACK SEA FROM RUSSIA.

and eh, what you're suggesting here is nothing short of oppression, did you know that?

 

[luiza]

Learn English boi

Maybe then we can discuss.

I cannot easily envisage any time that I would choose to discuss anything with you , other than when you are paying normal charges for advice and help.And that includes English lessons concentrating on your Speech and Comprehension .

 

[DudleySmith]

Or better yet, since you and your Democrat brethren so supported and celebrated Ukraine, why don’t you leave this first world paradise and sign up for the Ukraine front lines.. you could sure show Putin yourself

Maybe they will, just as soon as all you GOP shills leave the commie U.S. and go live in libertarian Somalia or Wall Street's BFF Red China. All that social Darwinism you fat fools spout can then be an example for the rest of the world of your vast productivity and superiority n stuff. My guess is you won't, you're too well subsidized by the govt. here.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

peacefan's objections are immaterial.

 

[peacefan]

peacefan's objections are immaterial.

no. they're very concrete.
but ultimately probably futile.
Putin is losing the war.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

We can agree on Putin is losing the war.

 

[Kilroy2]

Russia annexed Crimea in a war. Crimea was another nation. If it work so well then what is stopping them from doing it again to any neighboring country.

Victor the previous president of Ukraine went to live in Russia

Russian claims the land because ethnic Russians lives there

Based on that logic the British should be coming soon.