Who's responisibility is it?

[daveman]

Did you notice any "kollektive" aspects of the USAF?

No. Stupid.

What's your definition of the word "collective," Chomsky?

"This year's Department of Defense theme 'Hurts One. Affects All' and an Air Force-specific message of 'Real Wingmen Act' will reinforce the idea of acting as a team, demonstrate the value of bystander intervention and stress collective responsibility for prevention..."

Air Force officials focus on sexual assault

We're talking about guns, not kollektivism or sexual assault, Zippy.

 

[daveman]

You are responsible.
You are just too stupid to know it.

What are you doing to assuage your guilt?

NOTE: Posting emotional rants on the internet, while perhaps making your feel better about your "crimes", has no actual effect on anything whatsoever.

I'm trying to understand why the "Land of the Free" ignores so many dead children.
What about you?

"While the vast majority of those now writing on collective responsibility in philosophical circles continue to debate the possibility of collective responsibility, a smaller group of scholars has in recent years placed two further—and very important—concerns at the center of our attention.

"The first has to do with whether groups have to meet the same stringent conditions of moral responsibility that individuals do. (Intentionality becomes key here.)

"The second has to do with the advantages and disadvantages of holding particular kinds of groups, e.g., nation states, races, and ethnic groups, morally responsible in practice."

Collective Responsibility (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

I told you: Posting emotional rants on the internet, while perhaps making your feel better about your "crimes", has no actual effect on anything whatsoever.

 

[Si modo]

The shooter's.

End of story.

His mother, He is a victim. End of story. Unles she was retarded also. To allow guns in reach of a mentally retarded child is a crime.

I suggest you go tell someone with Asperger's they're retarded.

Meanwhile, the left simply refuses to hold criminals accountable for their actions.

I'm also wondering when 20 year olds are considered children.

 

[daveman]

His mother, He is a victim. End of story. Unles she was retarded also. To allow guns in reach of a mentally retarded child is a crime.

I suggest you go tell someone with Asperger's they're retarded.

Meanwhile, the left simply refuses to hold criminals accountable for their actions.

I'm also wondering when 20 year olds are considered children.

It's understandable. Leftists are emotional children, so it's no surprise they can't recognize maturity in others.

 

[boedicca]

His mother, He is a victim. End of story. Unles she was retarded also. To allow guns in reach of a mentally retarded child is a crime.

I suggest you go tell someone with Asperger's they're retarded.

Meanwhile, the left simply refuses to hold criminals accountable for their actions.

I'm also wondering when 20 year olds are considered children.

When ObamaCare made insurance for Children mandatory up to 26 years of age.

 

[Katzndogz]

Lanza's mother could not possibly have given him any guns at all. She was dead and the dead can't give anyone anything.

The only people that could possibly have stopped the Newtown shootings were disarmed themselves and in a room where they could be shot at will.

 

[jtpr312]

When you leftist scumbags start wailing about the 1,000,000+ innocents murdered every year for the sake of convienence, you can cry about 20 kids getting shot, until then, STFU wth your fake tears. Save your sanctimonious bullshit for someone else, because the right knows the truth. You're all full of crap. You cry crocodile tears over 20 kids shot, but you protest for the right to murder 1,000,000 innocents a year in the womb. Screw the lot of you. It has nothing to do with dead kids, and everything to do with your despising firearms and even more, the armed citizen. Screw you, screw obama, screw pelosi, fienstien, screw bloomberg, and screw the rest of you socialist a-holes and your socialist scum senators and congressmen.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Just as acts of terror are addressed by society, continuous acts of terror with guns are the responsibility of the society that allows them to repeat themselves ad infinitum. If a plane crashed daily the wackos who think the 2nd amendment is about freedom to murder would be up in arms. They'd blame someone for surely it would be someone else's fault. Those who feel the need to be armed to the teeth are the weak and cowardly and this woman was another prepper according to an article today. Another nutcase loony with a sick son. Great combination.

"The tragedy isn’t one school shooting, it’s the unceasing toll across our country. More Americans die in gun homicides and suicides in six months than have died in the last 25 years in every terrorist attack and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq combined."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/opinion/sunday/kristof-do-we-have-the-courage-to-stop-this.html

And what others do:

"Other countries offer a road map. In Australia in 1996, a mass killing of 35 people galvanized the nation’s conservative prime minister to ban certain rapid-fire long guns. The “national firearms agreement,” as it was known, led to the buyback of 650,000 guns and to tighter rules for licensing and safe storage of those remaining in public hands.

The law did not end gun ownership in Australia. It reduced the number of firearms in private hands by one-fifth, and they were the kinds most likely to be used in mass shootings.

In the 18 years before the law, Australia suffered 13 mass shootings — but not one in the 14 years after the law took full effect. The murder rate with firearms has dropped by more than 40 percent, according to data compiled by the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, and the suicide rate with firearms has dropped by more than half.

Or we can look north to Canada. It now requires a 28-day waiting period to buy a handgun, and it imposes a clever safeguard: gun buyers should have the support of two people vouching for them."

quotes from link above.


http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/267838-fuck-you-guns-9.html#post6508046

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/267838-fuck-you-guns-3.html#post6502919

The United States does not ave the courage to make real changes. The right, the NRA is controlled by big money and really, that's all that matters. That trumps all rights of all people in the US. And, it definitely trumps the right of those 20 babied to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[squeeze berry]

here's a list:

1. Bush
2. GOP
3. obstructionist HOR
4. whitey
5. KKK
6. Romney
7. Myan calendar

 

[Harry Dresden]

Lanza's mother could not possibly have given him any guns at all. She was dead and the dead can't give anyone anything.

The only people that could possibly have stopped the Newtown shootings were disarmed themselves and in a room where they could be shot at will.

he got the guns before she was killed....

 

[georgephillip]

No. Stupid.

What's your definition of the word "collective," Chomsky?

"This year's Department of Defense theme 'Hurts One. Affects All' and an Air Force-specific message of 'Real Wingmen Act' will reinforce the idea of acting as a team, demonstrate the value of bystander intervention and stress collective responsibility for prevention..."

Air Force officials focus on sexual assault

We're talking about guns, not kollektivism or sexual assault, Zippy.

We're talking about responsibility, individually and collectively, for gun violence, Pussy.
How many more children will die at the hands of other gun pussies before you catch up?

 

[georgephillip]

What are you doing to assuage your guilt?

NOTE: Posting emotional rants on the internet, while perhaps making your feel better about your "crimes", has no actual effect on anything whatsoever.

I'm trying to understand why the "Land of the Free" ignores so many dead children.
What about you?

"While the vast majority of those now writing on collective responsibility in philosophical circles continue to debate the possibility of collective responsibility, a smaller group of scholars has in recent years placed two further—and very important—concerns at the center of our attention.

"The first has to do with whether groups have to meet the same stringent conditions of moral responsibility that individuals do. (Intentionality becomes key here.)

"The second has to do with the advantages and disadvantages of holding particular kinds of groups, e.g., nation states, races, and ethnic groups, morally responsible in practice."

Collective Responsibility (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

I told you: Posting emotional rants on the internet, while perhaps making your feel better about your "crimes", has no actual effect on anything whatsoever.

You prove the usefulness of emotional rants with virtually ever post you make.
What does that have to do with individual and collective responsibility for gun violence in the "Land of the Free?"

What's really "exceptional" about America, Skippy?
The 17 Americans killed by jihadist "terrorists" since 911?
Or the approximately 10,000 gun (pussy) murders Americans inflicted upon each other in 2010?

Gun violence is a national security issue - CNN.com

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I'm trying to understand why the "Land of the Free" ignores so many dead children.
What about you?

"While the vast majority of those now writing on collective responsibility in philosophical circles continue to debate the possibility of collective responsibility, a smaller group of scholars has in recent years placed two further—and very important—concerns at the center of our attention.

"The first has to do with whether groups have to meet the same stringent conditions of moral responsibility that individuals do. (Intentionality becomes key here.)

"The second has to do with the advantages and disadvantages of holding particular kinds of groups, e.g., nation states, races, and ethnic groups, morally responsible in practice."

Collective Responsibility (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

I told you: Posting emotional rants on the internet, while perhaps making your feel better about your "crimes", has no actual effect on anything whatsoever.

You prove the usefulness of emotional rants with virtually ever post you make.
What does that have to do with individual and collective responsibility for gun violence in the "Land of the Free?"

What's really "exceptional" about America, Skippy?
The 17 Americans killed by jihadist "terrorists" since 911?
Or the approximately 10,000 gun (pussy) murders Americans inflicted upon each other in 2010?

Gun violence is a national security issue - CNN.com

We are held hostage by domestic terrorists that the rabid right protects.

What a sad and sick thing it is that those very people, the rabid rw's, are incapable of feeling real emotion, real sorrow for 20 murdered children and the adults who died trying to save them. Instead, all they care about is their guns.

I own guns but I would happily give them up if it could save those lives.

 

[Si modo]

I told you: Posting emotional rants on the internet, while perhaps making your feel better about your "crimes", has no actual effect on anything whatsoever.

You prove the usefulness of emotional rants with virtually ever post you make.
What does that have to do with individual and collective responsibility for gun violence in the "Land of the Free?"

What's really "exceptional" about America, Skippy?
The 17 Americans killed by jihadist "terrorists" since 911?
Or the approximately 10,000 gun (pussy) murders Americans inflicted upon each other in 2010?

Gun violence is a national security issue - CNN.com

We are held hostage by domestic terrorists that the rabid right protects.

What a sad and sick thing it is that those very people, the rabid rw's, are incapable of feeling real emotion, real sorrow for 20 murdered children and the adults who died trying to save them. Instead, all they care about is their guns.

I own guns but I would happily give them up if it could save those lives.

Cool. I have hostages. Now, what would be an appropriate ransom? Hmmmmmm.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

You prove the usefulness of emotional rants with virtually ever post you make.
What does that have to do with individual and collective responsibility for gun violence in the "Land of the Free?"

What's really "exceptional" about America, Skippy?
The 17 Americans killed by jihadist "terrorists" since 911?
Or the approximately 10,000 gun (pussy) murders Americans inflicted upon each other in 2010?

Gun violence is a national security issue - CNN.com

We are held hostage by domestic terrorists that the rabid right protects.

What a sad and sick thing it is that those very people, the rabid rw's, are incapable of feeling real emotion, real sorrow for 20 murdered children and the adults who died trying to save them. Instead, all they care about is their guns.

I own guns but I would happily give them up if it could save those lives.

Cool. I have hostages. Now, what would be an appropriate ransom? Hmmmmmm.

Children's lives.

Until life means as much as guns, nothing will change and really, I can't imagine that the rabid rw's will suddenly care more about American children than they do their large capacity clips and semi-auto guns.

 

[syrenn]

I told you: Posting emotional rants on the internet, while perhaps making your feel better about your "crimes", has no actual effect on anything whatsoever.

You prove the usefulness of emotional rants with virtually ever post you make.
What does that have to do with individual and collective responsibility for gun violence in the "Land of the Free?"

What's really "exceptional" about America, Skippy?
The 17 Americans killed by jihadist "terrorists" since 911?
Or the approximately 10,000 gun (pussy) murders Americans inflicted upon each other in 2010?

Gun violence is a national security issue - CNN.com

We are held hostage by domestic terrorists that the rabid right protects.

What a sad and sick thing it is that those very people, the rabid rw's, are incapable of feeling real emotion, real sorrow for 20 murdered children and the adults who died trying to save them. Instead, all they care about is their guns.

I own guns but I would happily give them up if it could save those lives.

As to being held hostage.... we can also argue we are held hostage by the rabid left.


The way i see it, if any one of the teachers had been armed.... they may have fared a bit better and the carnage less.

No one expects a soft target.... to shoot back. Sorta throws a wrench in the gears. From what i understand the school nurse would have had a damn fine chance of taking him out in the back of the head. He walked into her office where she was under the desk watching him out of the port in the back. He came in... turned around and left.

If she had been armed....that could have been a pretty clean shot.

Really, you own guns.... feel free to give them up now if you feel it will help. Obviously, gun control and citizens owning them meant nothing to you before.....and if you dont turn them in now... it still meas nothing to you but a political talking point of faux rage.

 

[syrenn]

We are held hostage by domestic terrorists that the rabid right protects.

What a sad and sick thing it is that those very people, the rabid rw's, are incapable of feeling real emotion, real sorrow for 20 murdered children and the adults who died trying to save them. Instead, all they care about is their guns.

I own guns but I would happily give them up if it could save those lives.

Cool. I have hostages. Now, what would be an appropriate ransom? Hmmmmmm.

Children's lives.

Until life means as much as guns, nothing will change and really, I can't imagine that the rabid rw's will suddenly care more about American children than they do their large capacity clips and semi-auto guns.

funny.. you are rabid left... and still own guns.....

 

[georgephillip]

I told you: Posting emotional rants on the internet, while perhaps making your feel better about your "crimes", has no actual effect on anything whatsoever.

You prove the usefulness of emotional rants with virtually ever post you make.
What does that have to do with individual and collective responsibility for gun violence in the "Land of the Free?"

What's really "exceptional" about America, Skippy?
The 17 Americans killed by jihadist "terrorists" since 911?
Or the approximately 10,000 gun (pussy) murders Americans inflicted upon each other in 2010?

Gun violence is a national security issue - CNN.com

We are held hostage by domestic terrorists that the rabid right protects.

What a sad and sick thing it is that those very people, the rabid rw's, are incapable of feeling real emotion, real sorrow for 20 murdered children and the adults who died trying to save them. Instead, all they care about is their guns.

I own guns but I would happily give them up if it could save those lives.

We're also held hostage by financial terrorists, as well:

From: Moneynews

"So why are these billionaires dumping their shares of U.S. companies?

"After all, the stock market is still in the midst of its historic rally. Real estate prices have finally leveled off, and for the first time in five years are actually rising in many locations. And the unemployment rate seems to have stabilized.

"It’s very likely that these professional investors are aware of specific research that points toward a massive market correction, as much as 90%.

Whether the billionaires are correct about a 90% market correction or not, this economy has been in free-fall since 2008, and when it bottoms out, the resulting CRASH will focus our attention the same way 911 did.

Many US gun pussies will likely fall into lock step behind the billionaires.

"Sad" and "sick" won't begin to describe what happens after that in the Land of the Free.

 

[georgephillip]

You prove the usefulness of emotional rants with virtually ever post you make.
What does that have to do with individual and collective responsibility for gun violence in the "Land of the Free?"

What's really "exceptional" about America, Skippy?
The 17 Americans killed by jihadist "terrorists" since 911?
Or the approximately 10,000 gun (pussy) murders Americans inflicted upon each other in 2010?

Gun violence is a national security issue - CNN.com

We are held hostage by domestic terrorists that the rabid right protects.

What a sad and sick thing it is that those very people, the rabid rw's, are incapable of feeling real emotion, real sorrow for 20 murdered children and the adults who died trying to save them. Instead, all they care about is their guns.

I own guns but I would happily give them up if it could save those lives.

As to being held hostage.... we can also argue we are held hostage by the rabid left.


The way i see it, if any one of the teachers had been armed.... they may have fared a bit better and the carnage less.

No one expects a soft target.... to shoot back. Sorta throws a wrench in the gears. From what i understand the school nurse would have had a damn fine chance of taking him out in the back of the head. He walked into her office where she was under the desk watching him out of the port in the back. He came in... turned around and left.

If she had been armed....that could have been a pretty clean shot.

Really, you own guns.... feel free to give them up now if you feel it will help. Obviously, gun control and citizens owning them meant nothing to you before.....and if you dont turn them in now... it still meas nothing to you but a political talking point of faux rage.

Guns are woven into the fabric of America so tightly it would be national suicide to ask civilians to give up their firearms. What about banning the sale of semi-automatic handguns and high-capacity magazines?

 

[daveman]

What's your definition of the word "collective," Chomsky?

"This year's Department of Defense theme 'Hurts One. Affects All' and an Air Force-specific message of 'Real Wingmen Act' will reinforce the idea of acting as a team, demonstrate the value of bystander intervention and stress collective responsibility for prevention..."

Air Force officials focus on sexual assault

We're talking about guns, not kollektivism or sexual assault, Zippy.

We're talking about responsibility, individually and collectively, for gun violence, Pussy.
How many more children will die at the hands of other gun pussies before you catch up?

I haven't shot any children.

Therefore, I am not responsible for any children's deaths.

Period.

Kollektive responsibility is bullshit. No wonder you think it's grand.