Who's fault?

[Steelplate]

It's Madison Avenue's fault for creating desire for a lot of shit we don't really need.

Excellent point.... it's called SUPPLY SIDE economics... AKA Trickle Down Economics...AKA Voodoo Economics.

no one forced your sorry asses to buy anything except for obiedoodle

My sorry ass? I live a pretty minimalist lifestyle. so don't lump me in with you "next big thing-ers".

They create the market... You just "have" to have one of our widgets, or you're out of the loop. Kind of like the marketing campaign that they are doing politically right now... the one YOU fell hook, line and sinker for.

The whole ultra-conservative agenda is to protect billionaires at the expense of everyday workers.... sure, it's wrapped up in the American flag with a bow that says "Freedom" on it... but a pig with lipstick on it is still a pig.

 

[AmericanFirst]

And Bush.

Bush was a lot better than what we have in the wh now. It is time for you to stop blaming Bush. Obamaturd has spent a lot more than Bush.

 

[Article 15]

that's the funniest part.. all sanctimonious dimbulbs screaming that medicare is a sacred cow but they stole 960 Billion dollars from it to fund obiedoodlecare..

and as if timed to perfection, WillowTree pipes in with the erroneous talking point! Nice timing, well done.

Wait til she says that 50% of Americans don't pay income tax. Just don't ask her how that came about.

 

[WillowTree]

that's the funniest part.. all sanctimonious dimbulbs screaming that medicare is a sacred cow but they stole 960 Billion dollars from it to fund obiedoodlecare..

and as if timed to perfection, WillowTree pipes in with the erroneous talking point! Nice timing, well done.

Here boy. Educate yourself.


Nine Hundred Sixty Billion Dollars from Medicare to fund Obamacare - Google Search

 

[WillowTree]

Excellent point.... it's called SUPPLY SIDE economics... AKA Trickle Down Economics...AKA Voodoo Economics.

no one forced your sorry asses to buy anything except for obiedoodle

My sorry ass? I live a pretty minimalist lifestyle. so don't lump me in with you "next big thing-ers".

They create the market... You just "have" to have one of our widgets, or you're out of the loop. Kind of like the marketing campaign that they are doing politically right now... the one YOU fell hook, line and sinker for.

The whole ultra-conservative agenda is to protect billionaires at the expense of everyday workers.... sure, it's wrapped up in the American flag with a bow that says "Freedom" on it... but a pig with lipstick on it is still a pig.

I prefer to drink conservative kool aid, you like the communist flavor.

 

[AmericanFirst]

And Bush.

Bush raised the debt by 8 trillion in 8 years, BUT Obama has raised it by 6 trillion in 3 years. And if we had approved his budget it would be even higher. Bush started 2 wars. Obama has started 3 and working on 4 as well as continuing the 2.

Obama proposed a 3 TRILLION dollar budget. And he wants us to think he is serious about cutting spending? The house has passed Budget bills and the Senate REFUSES to even send them to committee. The Democrats are not interested in cutting anything.

The Senate REFUSES to do its job. The house has done its repeatedly. The democrats went to a compromise meeting on CUTTING the budget and demanding 2 trillion in new taxes. With no meaningful cuts at all.

Exactly, the dimwits cry and try to blame the republicans but they have gotten pretty good at lying, the problem is they believe their lies.

 

[Jarhead]

It's Madison Avenue's fault for creating desire for a lot of shit we don't really need.

lol.....you truly have no sense of personal responsibility.
Madison avenue can tell me all they want what products I should buy.
I buy what I can afford...and what makes sense.....regardless of what Madison Avenue says.
About 25 years ago, I saw an ad for a set of towels.....we were recently married and somewhat poor....so a set of towels for 20 bucks was a great idea.
Well...4 bath towels, 4 hand towels and 4 washcloths were delviered 2 weeks later in a box that was no larger than a shoe box. You could see right through the towels...not light...but you could see full shapes of objects on the other side.
Who's fault?
Mine......a wasted 20 bucks and blamed no one but myself.

But the left is always blaming someone else for their poor decisions.....now its Madison Avenues fault.

Gotta love it

 

[VaYank5150]

And Bush.

Bush raised the debt by 8 trillion in 8 years, BUT Obama has raised it by 6 trillion in 3 years. And if we had approved his budget it would be even higher. Bush started 2 wars. Obama has started 3 and working on 4 as well as continuing the 2.

Obama proposed a 3 TRILLION dollar budget. And he wants us to think he is serious about cutting spending? The house has passed Budget bills and the Senate REFUSES to even send them to committee. The Democrats are not interested in cutting anything.

The Senate REFUSES to do its job. The house has done its repeatedly. The democrats went to a compromise meeting on CUTTING the budget and demanding 2 trillion in new taxes. With no meaningful cuts at all.

Exactly, the dimwits cry and try to blame the republicans but they have gotten pretty good at lying, the problem is they believe their lies.

How many times was it the Republicans raised the debt ceiling again
under President Bush?


Five times the ceiling was raised, with nineteen times many of the
current leadership, including Eric Cantor and John Boehner and Mitch
McConnell voted to do so.


That resulted in five times over the 8 years of the Bush
Administration that the debt ceiling was raised, after the Bush
administration started with a SURPLUS from Clinton's administration.


Republicans, particularly Bush, campaigned on paying off the debt in
10 years.


Instead: June 2002 - a $450 Billion increase; May 2003 - a $900
Billion increase; November 2004 - $800 Billion increase; March 2006 -
$781 Billion increase; September 2007 - $850 Billion increase.


NINETEEN TIMES they voted to raise the debt ceiling!!
During Bush Presidency, Current GOP Leaders Voted 19 Times To Increase Debt Limit By $4 Trillion | ThinkProgress...


"But while the four Republicans in Congressional leadership positions
are attempting to hold the increase hostage now, they combined to vote
for a debt limit increase 19 times during the presidency of George W.
Bush. In doing so, they increased the debt limit by nearly $4
trillion."


Hypocrite Republicans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


These would be the same Republicans, particularly Eric Cantor (and
John Boehner), who, in the words of Wikipedia:


"In October 2008, Cantor advocated and voted for the TARP program
which aided distressed banks."


Not surprsingly, Cantor was a campaign contribution recipient of
donations from Citigroup, which benefitted from the TARP bailout.


Of course, Cantor who now will only approve aid for the Joplin,
Missouri Tornado Disaster relief under the Obama Administration was a
big supporter for Hurricane Katrina Relief for the gulf.........and
was alleged to have received extensive campaign contributions from
companies where FEMA services were privatized, including Dewberry in
his home state of Virginia.


Perhaps the good people in Joplin, Missouri suffering from the Tornado
Disaster, for whom Cantor and other Republicans won't vote aid,
(unless it is taken from the pockets of other people who are
suffering, but never the wealthy or corporations who are their donors
and who receive generous tax cuts and subsidies) should have realized
that if they didn't bribe the Republicans with campaign donations they
shouldn't expect to benefit from government funds?


The 2010 elections were really more of an auction than anything else,
with the GOP looting government not to make it smaller, but to benefit
their campaign donors at the expense of the citizens of the United
States who are disaster victims.


Follow the money;


it won't be going into the pockets of average Americans harmed by
natural disasters.


But it does tend to go to corporations and a very few very wealthy
people.


Follow the money; it goes to politicians and their campaigns.


Shame on the GOP.

 

[AmericanFirst]

And Bush.

Bush raised the debt by 8 trillion in 8 years, BUT Obama has raised it by 6 trillion in 3 years. And if we had approved his budget it would be even higher. Bush started 2 wars. Obama has started 3 and working on 4 as well as continuing the 2.

Obama proposed a 3 TRILLION dollar budget. And he wants us to think he is serious about cutting spending? The house has passed Budget bills and the Senate REFUSES to even send them to committee. The Democrats are not interested in cutting anything.

The Senate REFUSES to do its job. The house has done its repeatedly. The democrats went to a compromise meeting on CUTTING the budget and demanding 2 trillion in new taxes. With no meaningful cuts at all.

And notice that the budget Obama proposed got zero support. And one must ask why Obama ignored his debt commission's recommendations? Why did he waste the time?

Because obamaturd is a socialist bent on collapsing our economy.

 

[WillowTree]

Bush raised the debt by 8 trillion in 8 years, BUT Obama has raised it by 6 trillion in 3 years. And if we had approved his budget it would be even higher. Bush started 2 wars. Obama has started 3 and working on 4 as well as continuing the 2.

Obama proposed a 3 TRILLION dollar budget. And he wants us to think he is serious about cutting spending? The house has passed Budget bills and the Senate REFUSES to even send them to committee. The Democrats are not interested in cutting anything.

The Senate REFUSES to do its job. The house has done its repeatedly. The democrats went to a compromise meeting on CUTTING the budget and demanding 2 trillion in new taxes. With no meaningful cuts at all.

Exactly, the dimwits cry and try to blame the republicans but they have gotten pretty good at lying, the problem is they believe their lies.

How many times was it the Republicans raised the debt ceiling again
under President Bush?


Five times the ceiling was raised, with nineteen times many of the
current leadership, including Eric Cantor and John Boehner and Mitch
McConnell voted to do so.


That resulted in five times over the 8 years of the Bush
Administration that the debt ceiling was raised, after the Bush
administration started with a SURPLUS from Clinton's administration.


Republicans, particularly Bush, campaigned on paying off the debt in
10 years.


Instead: June 2002 - a $450 Billion increase; May 2003 - a $900
Billion increase; November 2004 - $800 Billion increase; March 2006 -
$781 Billion increase; September 2007 - $850 Billion increase.


NINETEEN TIMES they voted to raise the debt ceiling!!
During Bush Presidency, Current GOP Leaders Voted 19 Times To Increase Debt Limit By $4 Trillion | ThinkProgress...


"But while the four Republicans in Congressional leadership positions
are attempting to hold the increase hostage now, they combined to vote
for a debt limit increase 19 times during the presidency of George W.
Bush. In doing so, they increased the debt limit by nearly $4
trillion."


Hypocrite Republicans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


These would be the same Republicans, particularly Eric Cantor (and
John Boehner), who, in the words of Wikipedia:


"In October 2008, Cantor advocated and voted for the TARP program
which aided distressed banks."


Not surprsingly, Cantor was a campaign contribution recipient of
donations from Citigroup, which benefitted from the TARP bailout.


Of course, Cantor who now will only approve aid for the Joplin,
Missouri Tornado Disaster relief under the Obama Administration was a
big supporter for Hurricane Katrina Relief for the gulf.........and
was alleged to have received extensive campaign contributions from
companies where FEMA services were privatized, including Dewberry in
his home state of Virginia.


Perhaps the good people in Joplin, Missouri suffering from the Tornado
Disaster, for whom Cantor and other Republicans won't vote aid,
(unless it is taken from the pockets of other people who are
suffering, but never the wealthy or corporations who are their donors
and who receive generous tax cuts and subsidies) should have realized
that if they didn't bribe the Republicans with campaign donations they
shouldn't expect to benefit from government funds?


The 2010 elections were really more of an auction than anything else,
with the GOP looting government not to make it smaller, but to benefit
their campaign donors at the expense of the citizens of the United
States who are disaster victims.


Follow the money;


it won't be going into the pockets of average Americans harmed by
natural disasters.


But it does tend to go to corporations and a very few very wealthy
people.


Follow the money; it goes to politicians and their campaigns.


Shame on the GOP.

It doesn't really matter how many times it was raised under President Bush. it doesn't really matter that obie doodle voted NO and said "Raising the Debt ceiling is a sign of failed leadership>" Yep he did, and I hold him to it.. What matters is that we have an unsustainable spending situation and it must be stopped. Taxes ain't the problem. Spending is the problem.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Bush raised the debt by 8 trillion in 8 years, BUT Obama has raised it by 6 trillion in 3 years. And if we had approved his budget it would be even higher. Bush started 2 wars. Obama has started 3 and working on 4 as well as continuing the 2.

Obama proposed a 3 TRILLION dollar budget. And he wants us to think he is serious about cutting spending? The house has passed Budget bills and the Senate REFUSES to even send them to committee. The Democrats are not interested in cutting anything.

The Senate REFUSES to do its job. The house has done its repeatedly. The democrats went to a compromise meeting on CUTTING the budget and demanding 2 trillion in new taxes. With no meaningful cuts at all.

Exactly, the dimwits cry and try to blame the republicans but they have gotten pretty good at lying, the problem is they believe their lies.

How many times was it the Republicans raised the debt ceiling again
under President Bush?


Five times the ceiling was raised, with nineteen times many of the
current leadership, including Eric Cantor and John Boehner and Mitch
McConnell voted to do so.


That resulted in five times over the 8 years of the Bush
Administration that the debt ceiling was raised, after the Bush
administration started with a SURPLUS from Clinton's administration.


Republicans, particularly Bush, campaigned on paying off the debt in
10 years.


Instead: June 2002 - a $450 Billion increase; May 2003 - a $900
Billion increase; November 2004 - $800 Billion increase; March 2006 -
$781 Billion increase; September 2007 - $850 Billion increase.


NINETEEN TIMES they voted to raise the debt ceiling!!
During Bush Presidency, Current GOP Leaders Voted 19 Times To Increase Debt Limit By $4 Trillion | ThinkProgress...


"But while the four Republicans in Congressional leadership positions
are attempting to hold the increase hostage now, they combined to vote
for a debt limit increase 19 times during the presidency of George W.
Bush. In doing so, they increased the debt limit by nearly $4
trillion."


Hypocrite Republicans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


These would be the same Republicans, particularly Eric Cantor (and
John Boehner), who, in the words of Wikipedia:


"In October 2008, Cantor advocated and voted for the TARP program
which aided distressed banks."


Not surprsingly, Cantor was a campaign contribution recipient of
donations from Citigroup, which benefitted from the TARP bailout.


Of course, Cantor who now will only approve aid for the Joplin,
Missouri Tornado Disaster relief under the Obama Administration was a
big supporter for Hurricane Katrina Relief for the gulf.........and
was alleged to have received extensive campaign contributions from
companies where FEMA services were privatized, including Dewberry in
his home state of Virginia.


Perhaps the good people in Joplin, Missouri suffering from the Tornado
Disaster, for whom Cantor and other Republicans won't vote aid,
(unless it is taken from the pockets of other people who are
suffering, but never the wealthy or corporations who are their donors
and who receive generous tax cuts and subsidies) should have realized
that if they didn't bribe the Republicans with campaign donations they
shouldn't expect to benefit from government funds?


The 2010 elections were really more of an auction than anything else,
with the GOP looting government not to make it smaller, but to benefit
their campaign donors at the expense of the citizens of the United
States who are disaster victims.


Follow the money;


it won't be going into the pockets of average Americans harmed by
natural disasters.


But it does tend to go to corporations and a very few very wealthy
people.


Follow the money; it goes to politicians and their campaigns.


Shame on the GOP.

Keep the surplus bull up, we were in a recession when clintdick left office, they were calling it the clinton recession.

 

[Jarhead]

Exactly, the dimwits cry and try to blame the republicans but they have gotten pretty good at lying, the problem is they believe their lies.

How many times was it the Republicans raised the debt ceiling again
under President Bush?


Five times the ceiling was raised, with nineteen times many of the
current leadership, including Eric Cantor and John Boehner and Mitch
McConnell voted to do so.


That resulted in five times over the 8 years of the Bush
Administration that the debt ceiling was raised, after the Bush
administration started with a SURPLUS from Clinton's administration.


Republicans, particularly Bush, campaigned on paying off the debt in
10 years.


Instead: June 2002 - a $450 Billion increase; May 2003 - a $900
Billion increase; November 2004 - $800 Billion increase; March 2006 -
$781 Billion increase; September 2007 - $850 Billion increase.


NINETEEN TIMES they voted to raise the debt ceiling!!
During Bush Presidency, Current GOP Leaders Voted 19 Times To Increase Debt Limit By $4 Trillion | ThinkProgress...


"But while the four Republicans in Congressional leadership positions
are attempting to hold the increase hostage now, they combined to vote
for a debt limit increase 19 times during the presidency of George W.
Bush. In doing so, they increased the debt limit by nearly $4
trillion."


Hypocrite Republicans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


These would be the same Republicans, particularly Eric Cantor (and
John Boehner), who, in the words of Wikipedia:


"In October 2008, Cantor advocated and voted for the TARP program
which aided distressed banks."


Not surprsingly, Cantor was a campaign contribution recipient of
donations from Citigroup, which benefitted from the TARP bailout.


Of course, Cantor who now will only approve aid for the Joplin,
Missouri Tornado Disaster relief under the Obama Administration was a
big supporter for Hurricane Katrina Relief for the gulf.........and
was alleged to have received extensive campaign contributions from
companies where FEMA services were privatized, including Dewberry in
his home state of Virginia.


Perhaps the good people in Joplin, Missouri suffering from the Tornado
Disaster, for whom Cantor and other Republicans won't vote aid,
(unless it is taken from the pockets of other people who are
suffering, but never the wealthy or corporations who are their donors
and who receive generous tax cuts and subsidies) should have realized
that if they didn't bribe the Republicans with campaign donations they
shouldn't expect to benefit from government funds?


The 2010 elections were really more of an auction than anything else,
with the GOP looting government not to make it smaller, but to benefit
their campaign donors at the expense of the citizens of the United
States who are disaster victims.


Follow the money;


it won't be going into the pockets of average Americans harmed by
natural disasters.


But it does tend to go to corporations and a very few very wealthy
people.


Follow the money; it goes to politicians and their campaigns.


Shame on the GOP.

Keep the surplus bull up, we were in a recession when clintdick left office, they were calling it the clinton recession.

not to mention the dot com bubble that burst...it created untolds amount of tax revenue on inflated salaries that were all a farce...

 

[NYcarbineer]

Your problem is you see the dems as "owning" medicaire and SS.
They dont.
Reps agree both need to be reformed to rectify the problem.

You are falling for the compromise BS.

Reps dont want to cut SS and MC anymore than dems do. They just know it needs to be done.

Do you need the questions repeated too?

Why don't you just tell em the fabricated answer in your fantasy mind? Go ahead.

No one can answer the questions because the Republicans have offered ZERO compromise and are acting as though they have a 100% mandate to enact 100% of their agenda,

when in fact they are in the minority in this process.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Exactly, the dimwits cry and try to blame the republicans but they have gotten pretty good at lying, the problem is they believe their lies.

How many times was it the Republicans raised the debt ceiling again
under President Bush?


Five times the ceiling was raised, with nineteen times many of the
current leadership, including Eric Cantor and John Boehner and Mitch
McConnell voted to do so.


That resulted in five times over the 8 years of the Bush
Administration that the debt ceiling was raised, after the Bush
administration started with a SURPLUS from Clinton's administration.


Republicans, particularly Bush, campaigned on paying off the debt in
10 years.


Instead: June 2002 - a $450 Billion increase; May 2003 - a $900
Billion increase; November 2004 - $800 Billion increase; March 2006 -
$781 Billion increase; September 2007 - $850 Billion increase.


NINETEEN TIMES they voted to raise the debt ceiling!!
During Bush Presidency, Current GOP Leaders Voted 19 Times To Increase Debt Limit By $4 Trillion | ThinkProgress...


"But while the four Republicans in Congressional leadership positions
are attempting to hold the increase hostage now, they combined to vote
for a debt limit increase 19 times during the presidency of George W.
Bush. In doing so, they increased the debt limit by nearly $4
trillion."


Hypocrite Republicans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


These would be the same Republicans, particularly Eric Cantor (and
John Boehner), who, in the words of Wikipedia:


"In October 2008, Cantor advocated and voted for the TARP program
which aided distressed banks."


Not surprsingly, Cantor was a campaign contribution recipient of
donations from Citigroup, which benefitted from the TARP bailout.


Of course, Cantor who now will only approve aid for the Joplin,
Missouri Tornado Disaster relief under the Obama Administration was a
big supporter for Hurricane Katrina Relief for the gulf.........and
was alleged to have received extensive campaign contributions from
companies where FEMA services were privatized, including Dewberry in
his home state of Virginia.


Perhaps the good people in Joplin, Missouri suffering from the Tornado
Disaster, for whom Cantor and other Republicans won't vote aid,
(unless it is taken from the pockets of other people who are
suffering, but never the wealthy or corporations who are their donors
and who receive generous tax cuts and subsidies) should have realized
that if they didn't bribe the Republicans with campaign donations they
shouldn't expect to benefit from government funds?


The 2010 elections were really more of an auction than anything else,
with the GOP looting government not to make it smaller, but to benefit
their campaign donors at the expense of the citizens of the United
States who are disaster victims.


Follow the money;


it won't be going into the pockets of average Americans harmed by
natural disasters.


But it does tend to go to corporations and a very few very wealthy
people.


Follow the money; it goes to politicians and their campaigns.


Shame on the GOP.

Keep the surplus bull up, we were in a recession when clintdick left office, they were calling it the clinton recession.

No, actually when Clinton left office, unemployment was 4% and the annual GDP rate for the quarter was 2.4%.

 

[8537]

that's the funniest part.. all sanctimonious dimbulbs screaming that medicare is a sacred cow but they stole 960 Billion dollars from it to fund obiedoodlecare..

and as if timed to perfection, WillowTree pipes in with the erroneous talking point! Nice timing, well done.

Here boy. Educate yourself.


Nine Hundred Sixty Billion Dollars from Medicare to fund Obamacare - Google Search

You didn't even click on your own link, didya? First result points out that the figure is 460 billion over 10 years. It also points out that much of the savings comes from the manner in which Medicare Advantage payments are handled.

 

[Woyzeck]

All the dems are offering is massive cuts to the Defense budget and HUGE increases in taxes. Remind us again why there is no deal on the Debt ceiling?

Oh it's the Republican's fault, everyone knows that. Congress is chastised for playing Russian roulette with the economy from the likes of Warren Buffet and The Economist, but they're turning down Obama's compromises and refusing to tax the rich an inch or cut funding to the military.

Interestingly enough, they had no zero issues with raising the debt ceiling before this. A cynical poster might think this having something to do with election season coming up.

 

[Jarhead]

Do you need the questions repeated too?

Why don't you just tell em the fabricated answer in your fantasy mind? Go ahead.

No one can answer the questions because the Republicans have offered ZERO compromise and are acting as though they have a 100% mandate to enact 100% of their agenda,

when in fact they are in the minority in this process.

you seem to want to ignore the non partisan logic I presented and instead keep and regurgitating the rhetoric the democrats want you to regurgitate.

The GOP know that reforming MC and SS is a death sentence for the upcoming election. So do the democrats.

Both did not want to put it on the table....but both did....becuase it is a must

The only difference is...the democrats are using it to heir advantage as they know their supporters listen to the rhetoric and dont think things out....so they are claiming the cut is something they DONT want to do (which is true for both parties) but that they are doing it so the GOP will ALSO give in on something....implying that the GOP WANTS to cut MC and SS.

But you see...the GOP DID give in on something.....MC and SS.....

Question is......why should the GOP give in on something else as well....and what is the Democratic party willing to give in?

Why do you see the DEMs as owning MC and SS? Isnt that somewhat partisan of you?

 

[Jarhead]

All the dems are offering is massive cuts to the Defense budget and HUGE increases in taxes. Remind us again why there is no deal on the Debt ceiling?

Oh it's the Republican's fault, everyone knows that. Congress is chastised for playing Russian roulette with the economy from the likes of Warren Buffet and The Economist, but they're turning down Obama's compromises and refusing to tax the rich an inch or cut funding to the military.

Interestingly enough, they had no zero issues with raising the debt ceiling before this. A cynical poster might think this having something to do with election season coming up.

Please explain where Obama compromised?
What has he offered up other than the obvious that both agreed needed to be done?

 

[Kuros]

All the dems are offering is massive cuts to the Defense budget and HUGE increases in taxes. Remind us again why there is no deal on the Debt ceiling?

Oh it's the Republican's fault, everyone knows that. Congress is chastised for playing Russian roulette with the economy from the likes of Warren Buffet and The Economist, but they're turning down Obama's compromises and refusing to tax the rich an inch or cut funding to the military.

Interestingly enough, they had no zero issues with raising the debt ceiling before this. A cynical poster might think this having something to do with election season coming up.

Please explain where Obama compromised?
What has he offered up other than the obvious that both agreed needed to be done?

Boehner: Back to Biden, please

When the Republican leadership orchestrated the Eric Cantor June 23rd walkout of the debt ceiling talks, led by Joe Biden, the strategy was to up the ante by forcing President Obama to engage them.

Obama offered a grand deal -- huge cuts across the board, including substantial rollbacks of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security benefits -- but including the suspension of economically distorting tax benefits for the rich and highly profitable firms, particularly ethanol and oil, that were gorging themselves on public dollars.

. . .

Now, John Boehner is showing that he is trapped in an ideological bind with his own constituents and that Obama is too overwhelming for him. The big deal won't work, Boehner says, because Boehner can't get his caucus to do the deal of the era because it involves minor revenue increases. They'd rather default on the national debt and undermine global trust in the United States as a political stunt.

I don't even blame Boehner, anymore (I will continue to blame Cantor, though). I blame the right-wingers who won't tax an ounce to cut a pound.

 

[Jarhead]

Oh it's the Republican's fault, everyone knows that. Congress is chastised for playing Russian roulette with the economy from the likes of Warren Buffet and The Economist, but they're turning down Obama's compromises and refusing to tax the rich an inch or cut funding to the military.

Interestingly enough, they had no zero issues with raising the debt ceiling before this. A cynical poster might think this having something to do with election season coming up.

Please explain where Obama compromised?
What has he offered up other than the obvious that both agreed needed to be done?

Boehner: Back to Biden, please

When the Republican leadership orchestrated the Eric Cantor June 23rd walkout of the debt ceiling talks, led by Joe Biden, the strategy was to up the ante by forcing President Obama to engage them.

Obama offered a grand deal -- huge cuts across the board, including substantial rollbacks of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security benefits -- but including the suspension of economically distorting tax benefits for the rich and highly profitable firms, particularly ethanol and oil, that were gorging themselves on public dollars.

. . .

Now, John Boehner is showing that he is trapped in an ideological bind with his own constituents and that Obama is too overwhelming for him. The big deal won't work, Boehner says, because Boehner can't get his caucus to do the deal of the era because it involves minor revenue increases. They'd rather default on the national debt and undermine global trust in the United States as a political stunt.

I don't even blame Boehner, anymore (I will continue to blame Cantor, though). I blame the right-wingers who won't tax an ounce to cut a pound.

I am curiouis....do you truly believe that the GOP were willing to commit political suicide by reforming MC, MC and SS?

Dont you realize...those substantial cuts in MC MC and SS were not "offered by the President"...they were "givens"...and nether party wanted to do it...but it MUST be done...

But for some reason, the democrats are getting "cheers" for giving in on that.

Interesting how that works.....no?