Who started it? The origins of the violent rhetoric we've seen during the GOP primary season

[Agit8r]

It's just a bit easier for people to "go there" when it involves a candidate without any obvious redeeming value.

Please elaborate.

Let's take Mitt Romney for instance. For all of his bad qualities, he seemed to be a polite fellow who had raised X number of seemingly well adjusted sons, stood by his wife through her health problems, had been a reasonably decent governor--in a word, he had a modicum of merit as a public servant, and as a Citizen.

The same cannot be said for AT LEAST one of the GOP candidates this time around.

So, are you telling me that Donald Trump deserves having death threats made against him?

What he deserves is irrelevant to my point. I'm saying that it is easier for people to get to such a point when the person has established a persona that is devoid of humanity.

I have too much Daft Punk running through my head to deal with your bulls**t right now. The intent was established, as you said "it's just a bit easier for people to "go there" when it involves a candidate without any obvious redeeming value." That made clear that since Trump, according to you has "no redeeming value" that it somehow makes it easier for, or warrants the threats made against his life.

It does not in itself warrant such threats, no. It's just part of the whole package

 

[TemplarKormac]

It does not in itself warrant such threats, no. It's just part of the whole package

But it's just more justifiable in Trump's case, according to you. Brilliant.

 

[Pogo]

BULLSHIT.

>> A spokesperson for the Chicago Police Department tells ABC7 Eyewitness News the Chicago Police Department did not talk to the Trump campaign or tell them to cancel the event, and that the first police heard was at 6:30 p.m. when they were notified by UIC and Secret Service that the event was canceled.


... n a statement from UIC Police Chief Kevin Booker, he said: "The University of Illinois at Chicago worked with all appropriate agencies to address the security concerns associated with an event of this nature including the Secret Service, Chicago Police Department and Illinois State Police as well as campaign and protest organizers. The vast majority of attendees at today's events exercised their Constitutional rights of free speech and free assembly peacefully. The abrupt announcement of the cancellation of the event created challenges in managing an orderly exit from the Pavilion, which nonetheless, was accomplished with no injuries or arrests." << --- posted for literally the 11th time
RUMP cancelled the event --- no one else. No one suggested he cancel it --- he did that on his own. And you'll notice in the last part --- he waited until the 10,000 seat venue was filled, and even a half hour after his own scheduled speech time --- to cancel the event, sending ten thousand people who didn't get what they came for out to the street.

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--- all of which sure as fuck looks like he was trying to incite a riot which he could then blame on somebody else, as he does with literally everything.

He's playing you for a fool. And you're lining up with your mouth open going "yyyyess... master.... may ... I ... have.... another".

I didn't say anything about the police, Pogo. So in your eternal rage, you wound up misquoting me. Show me where I mentioned anything about the Police. I do believe I mentioned that Trump cancelled the event. It's right there in my quote.

Do you liberals read? At all?

So that flew right by your blinders did it?

Let's roll it again in slomo:

This past Saturday in Chicago, Illinois, students from the University of Illinois at Chicago, along with Bernie Sanders supporters, spurred on by MoveOn.org, instigated a violent protest outside of UIC pavilion which caused Donald Trump to cancel his rally there.​

What does "which caused" mean in your language?
You were caught lying. Man up and admit it.

 

[Agit8r]

It does not in itself warrant such threats, no. It's just part of the whole package

But it's just more justifiable in Trump's case, according to you. Brilliant.

He's campaigned to become Grand Wizard/dictator. That is why he is receiving threats. It's just easier for those that do, knowing he has never done anything of value in his entire life.

 

[TemplarKormac]

He's campaigned to become Grand Wizard/dictator. That is why he is receiving threats. It's just easier for those that do, knowing he has never done anything of value in his entire life.

Sigh.

 

[Never3ndr]

Finally, the guy is a business and media genius. You can point to a lot of his business failings, but, in the business world, there are a lot of risk-taking side projects that are tried and failed...and it's actually great. It is when you DON'T take risks and try new things out that you actually end up failing.

Pretty much irrelevant. Number one, it's been figured out that if Rump took all that inheritance from Daddy and simply invested it in the stock market -- and not bothered with hotels, casinos, vodka, steaks, airlines, board games etc etc etc ---- he would have the same amount of money as he does, even with the 2008 crash. In other words he did all that wheeling and dealing for effectively --- nothing.

And second, even if he had been a business "genius", that has nothing to do with governing and actually serves the opposite interest. The purpose of business is to enrich itself using the population as its fuel; the purpose of government is to protect that population. The first exploits; the second champions. They serve two different and opposing masters.

I made this point about Romney four years ago. Still applies. "Business experience" is not an asset for a Presidential candidate. We can stop pretending it is.

I've actually heard this myself, but I haven't seen the numbers worked out anywhere so I still consider it a rumor. Regardless, even if it numerically does work out as equivalent, the intangible value of his name brand is actually worth something, so I would still consider him to have been successful.

Remember, I'm not a supporter of Trump, the reasons I listed are legitimate reasons that I've seen people list as why they vote for him. That doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with all of those reasons (in fact, I'd actually say I agree with none of those reasons)...however, I think it is always important to at least understand the opposing side's reasoning. Personally, I'd actually say that having ties to big business is a HUGE reason not to vote for a candidate. The last couple people that did that (both Bush's) made us go to war in areas, surprise, surprise, that related directly to their type of business (oil) and directly assisted partners that they had ties to (in Saudi Arabia, if memory serves correctly, as well as Cheney's business). Personally, I really don't want to be in another war during our next presidency, so, I'd rather we not elect another big business guy that will get us into some conflict so him and his buddies can make some cash.

Edit: Just to clarify there are certainly other reasons why people vote for him, but I'd consider them illegitimate as they are based on either untruth, lack of education, or just plain xenophobia.

 

[edthecynic]

"It wasn't until February that Trump made the first of a series of incendiary remarks at a Las Vegas campaign rally where he said he would have liked "to punch that guy (a protester) in the face."

Not quite!
On Sept 3, 2015, Trump sent his paid thug out to steal a protesters sign outside Trump Tower and Trump's paid thug then assaulted the person he stole the sign from when the owner of the sign tried to take his property back. Thump then threatened to sue the victim of the robbery and assault. That set the stage for all the abuses by Trump's followers at his rallies.

 

[Agit8r]

He's campaigned to become Grand Wizard/dictator. That is why he is receiving threats. It's just easier for those that do, knowing he has never done anything of value in his entire life.

Sigh.

Whatever his real intentions are, we may never know, because he has appealed to the darkest angels of human nature, and that is how he will be judged by voters and would-be vigilantes alike.

 

[Pogo]

it is really wonderous the propaganda machine he works up among his supporters. He literally goes North Korea style on his followers dismissing any media source that speaks ill of him while giving praise to anything that agrees or favorably covers him. He controls the information his supporters digest really admirably and, if you ever want to accrue power, you honestly should take note...its really fucking impressive.

He does have an evil cleverness like the attempt to incite a riot in Chicago. Unethical as that is I have to admit it's cunning.

But the other fatal character flaw that brings up is related to the incessant narcissism ---- complete inability to take a punch. Runs away from Megyn Kelly and goes on a twitter whine fest. Runs away from David Duke. Runs away from his own rally, then tries to blame variously, the police, CNN, MoveOn, and even Bernie Sanders, who was at the time busy at his own rally. Anyone but his own doing.

I've actually put out the challenge to anyone, to come up with any instance, at any time, any where, before or during this campaign, where Rump has EVER taken responsibility for a fuckup, admitted he was wrong, or apologized for anything whatsoever. I have no takers. And I don't expect any.

This is a waste of human protoplasm whose entire focus for the seventy years of his life has been focused on a single thing: attracting attention to Numero Uno. That doesn't add up in any way to Presidential material. Nor does it invite any suggestion that he intends to do a complete and sudden 180 and start looking out for other people ---- one of those things (like holding a real job) that he's literally never done in his life.

 

[TemplarKormac]

"It wasn't until February that Trump made the first of a series of incendiary remarks at a Las Vegas campaign rally where he said he would have liked "to punch that guy (a protester) in the face."

Not quite!
On Sept 3, 2015, Trump sent his paid thug out to steal a protesters sign outside Trump Tower and Trump's paid thug then assaulted the person he stole the sign from when the owner of the sign tried to take his property back. Thump then threatened to sue the victim of the robbery and assault. That set the stage for all the abuses by Trump's followers at his rallies.

If he was on Trump's property, he deserved it. Sorry.

 

[Never3ndr]

it is really wonderous the propaganda machine he works up among his supporters. He literally goes North Korea style on his followers dismissing any media source that speaks ill of him while giving praise to anything that agrees or favorably covers him. He controls the information his supporters digest really admirably and, if you ever want to accrue power, you honestly should take note...its really fucking impressive.

He does have an evil cleverness like the attempt to incite a riot in Chicago. Unethical as that is I have to admit it's cunning.

But the other fatal character flaw that brings up is related to the incessant narcissism ---- complete inability to take a punch. Runs away from Megyn Kelly and goes on a twitter whine fest. Runs away from David Duke. Runs away from his own rally, then tries to blame variously, the police, CNN, MoveOn, and even Bernie Sanders, who was at the time busy at his own rally. Anyone but his own doing.

I've actually put out the challenge to anyone, to come up with any instance, at any time, any where, before or during this campaign, where Rump has EVER taken responsibility for a fuckup, admitted he was wrong, or apologized for anything whatsoever. I have no takers. And I don't expect any.

This is a waste of human protoplasm whose entire focus for the seventy years of his life has been focused on a single thing: attracting attention to Numero Uno. That doesn't add up in any way to Presidential material. Nor does it invite any suggestion that he intends to do a complete and sudden 180 and start looking out for other people ---- one of those things (like holding a real job) that he's literally never done in his life.

I honestly wouldn't go so far as to say he incited a riot. Let's be clear, he is a polarizing individual. He makes inane remarks. However, he hasn't (so far) stepped into calling for riots. In fact, we should acknowledge that what happened in Chicago was a travesty coming from the left. Trump and his supporters were denied basic American rights, freedom to assemble and freedom of speech. It is pretty despicable and the extremists on the left really need to be targeted as true threats to our country.

He has a really strong propaganda machine and it works. I'll be honest, I really admire him for it. Instead of attacking the actual arguments presented he attacks the organization or person. This helps to further polarize his voter base with an "us vs. them" mentality, making it seem that he is maliciously attacked while not even addressing the issues (thereby making them seem as if they lack enough credibility to even address). It is actually pretty damn beautiful and I don't know how many times I've seen Trump supporters blanket dismiss any negative coverage under something like "that's just MSM" as if that actually addresses the points that are brought up. His information control is wondrous. To be sure, it is no surprise somebody like Putin likes the guy.

Trump has a lot of issues with how he presents himself, considering that he is posturing for President. I don't disagree there.

 

[Pogo]

I've actually heard this myself, but I haven't seen the numbers worked out anywhere so I still consider it a rumor. Regardless, even if it numerically does work out as equivalent, the intangible value of his name brand is actually worth something, so I would still consider him to have been successful.

It's been some while since I heard this analysis and I'll have to hunt it down. If I can find it I'll bring it back.

Related to this of course is that Rump is universally judged to wildly exaggerate his worth, like so many other things, which may well be why he doesn't want to show his tax returns. In any event when he spews on and on about how rich he is, how much he has (zzzzzzz), we all need to remember the old adage "consider the source".

The brand-name thing, eh, I just consider that another facet of his narcissism idolatry. And that's something I have absolute zero respect for.

 

[Never3ndr]

I've actually heard this myself, but I haven't seen the numbers worked out anywhere so I still consider it a rumor. Regardless, even if it numerically does work out as equivalent, the intangible value of his name brand is actually worth something, so I would still consider him to have been successful.

The brand-name thing, eh, I just consider that another facet of his narcissism idolatry. And that's something I have absolute zero respect for.

Not really, all you really have to do is look at somebody like Kim Kardashian and you realize how much money you can make simply off of how recognizable your name is...regardless of the reason for it being so famous.

 

[Pogo]

Obviously a riot didn't happen so no he didn't in

I've actually heard this myself, but I haven't seen the numbers worked out anywhere so I still consider it a rumor. Regardless, even if it numerically does work out as equivalent, the intangible value of his name brand is actually worth something, so I would still consider him to have been successful.

The brand-name thing, eh, I just consider that another facet of his narcissism idolatry. And that's something I have absolute zero respect for.

Not really, all you really have to do is look at somebody like Kim Kardashian and you realize how much money you can make simply off of how recognizable your name is...regardless of the reason for it being so famous.

Kim Kardashian. Pffft. That isn't making your case.

 

[Never3ndr]

Obviously a riot didn't happen so no he didn't in

I've actually heard this myself, but I haven't seen the numbers worked out anywhere so I still consider it a rumor. Regardless, even if it numerically does work out as equivalent, the intangible value of his name brand is actually worth something, so I would still consider him to have been successful.

The brand-name thing, eh, I just consider that another facet of his narcissism idolatry. And that's something I have absolute zero respect for.

Not really, all you really have to do is look at somebody like Kim Kardashian and you realize how much money you can make simply off of how recognizable your name is...regardless of the reason for it being so famous.

Kim Kardashian. Pffft.

Yeah, she reportedly earned $52.5 million last year. Nobody has been able to monetize themselves better than she has. Name recognition and monetizing off of that is actually really powerful. You can bet that, regardless of if he wins or loses...Trump wins. He's going to likely make millions (billions?) just simply based off of the media coverage he's getting and will continue to get following this election. Like him or not, the guy is a business genius.

Kim Kardashian

 

[Pogo]

I honestly wouldn't go so far as to say he incited a riot. Let's be clear, he is a polarizing individual. He makes inane remarks. However, he hasn't (so far) stepped into calling for riots.

Obviously no riot took place so nobody incited a riot. But I believe that was probably his intent in releasing ten thousand people who didn't get what they came for out into the street at once. These would be his useful idiots, after which he could proceed to blame CNN, the police, MoveOn, Bernie Sanders, Mitt Romney, Rosie O'Donnell, Muslims, Mexicans, Jews, Blacks, Catholics, unions, Lake Michigan, the rotary club of East Jipip, or anything except Numero Uno's own legacy.

But if that was his plan, and not just abject cowardice, it didn't work. And that's a good thing.

In fact, we should acknowledge that what happened in Chicago was a travesty coming from the left. Trump and his supporters were denied basic American rights, freedom to assemble and freedom of speech. It is pretty despicable and the extremists on the left really need to be targeted as true threats to our country.

Nobody was "denied any rights" basic or otherwise. Rump himself shut down the event, as just described. And he did so without any such suggestion from security --- which means it was his decision and his alone. It's dishonest to then turn around and blame some third party.

He has a really strong propaganda machine and it works. I'll be honest, I really admire him for it. Instead of attacking the actual arguments presented he attacks the organization or person. This helps to further polarize his voter base with an "us vs. them" mentality, making it seem that he is maliciously attacked while not even addressing the issues (thereby making them seem as if they lack enough credibility to even address). It is actually pretty damn beautiful and I don't know how many times I've seen Trump supporters blanket dismiss any negative coverage under something like "that's just MSM" as if that actually addresses the points that are brought up. His information control is wondrous. To be sure, it is no surprise somebody like Putin likes the guy.

Trump has a lot of issues with how he presents himself, considering that he is posturing for President. I don't disagree there.

I can't see a facility for hoodwinking people as any kind of positive or admirable trait at all. That makes no sense. Somebody might come up with a clever plan to commit murder or rob a bank or poison a city water supply ---- that wouldn't make it "beautiful". It remains despicable no matter how it's done.

 

[Pogo]

Obviously a riot didn't happen so no he didn't in

I've actually heard this myself, but I haven't seen the numbers worked out anywhere so I still consider it a rumor. Regardless, even if it numerically does work out as equivalent, the intangible value of his name brand is actually worth something, so I would still consider him to have been successful.

The brand-name thing, eh, I just consider that another facet of his narcissism idolatry. And that's something I have absolute zero respect for.

Not really, all you really have to do is look at somebody like Kim Kardashian and you realize how much money you can make simply off of how recognizable your name is...regardless of the reason for it being so famous.

Kim Kardashian. Pffft.

Yeah, she reportedly earned $52.5 million last year. Nobody has been able to monetize themselves better than she has. Name recognition and monetizing off of that is actually really powerful. You can bet that, regardless of if he wins or loses...Trump wins. He's going to likely make millions (billions?) just simply based off of the media coverage he's getting and will continue to get following this election. Like him or not, the guy is a business genius.

Kim Kardashian

Sorry --- money numbers mean absolutely nothing to me. Not impressed in the least. Puts me to sleep.

Now had she done something creative with her life that lifted human spirits or helped somebody outside of Numero Uno --- I'd be applauding. But money? Who cares. That's a false god.

 

[candycorn]

BULLSHIT.

>> A spokesperson for the Chicago Police Department tells ABC7 Eyewitness News the Chicago Police Department did not talk to the Trump campaign or tell them to cancel the event, and that the first police heard was at 6:30 p.m. when they were notified by UIC and Secret Service that the event was canceled.


... n a statement from UIC Police Chief Kevin Booker, he said: "The University of Illinois at Chicago worked with all appropriate agencies to address the security concerns associated with an event of this nature including the Secret Service, Chicago Police Department and Illinois State Police as well as campaign and protest organizers. The vast majority of attendees at today's events exercised their Constitutional rights of free speech and free assembly peacefully. The abrupt announcement of the cancellation of the event created challenges in managing an orderly exit from the Pavilion, which nonetheless, was accomplished with no injuries or arrests." << --- posted for literally the 11th time
RUMP cancelled the event --- no one else. No one suggested he cancel it --- he did that on his own. And you'll notice in the last part --- he waited until the 10,000 seat venue was filled, and even a half hour after his own scheduled speech time --- to cancel the event, sending ten thousand people who didn't get what they came for out to the street.

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--- all of which sure as fuck looks like he was trying to incite a riot which he could then blame on somebody else, as he does with literally everything.

He's playing you for a fool. And you're lining up with your mouth open going "yyyyess... master.... may ... I ... have.... another".

I didn't say anything about the police, Pogo. So in your eternal rage, you wound up misquoting me. Show me where I mentioned anything about the Police. I do believe I mentioned that Trump cancelled the event. It's right there in my quote.

Do you liberals read? At all?

So that flew right by your blinders did it?

Let's roll it again in slomo:

This past Saturday in Chicago, Illinois, students from the University of Illinois at Chicago, along with Bernie Sanders supporters, spurred on by MoveOn.org, instigated a violent protest outside of UIC pavilion which caused Donald Trump to cancel his rally there.​

What does "which caused" mean in your language?
You were caught lying. Man up and admit it.

Templar can’t “man” up; you’d have to be a man first.

I wonder what he’ll do after Trump loses? He’s abandoned Conservatism and the Republican party. I guess we’ll get a lot of posts about Harry Browne and libertarians that are 3 pages long and nobody reads?

 

[Geaux4it]

Obama started it

-Geaux

Hillary Clinton: Donald Trump Is Invoking A Kind Of Mob Violence 'That Led To Lynching'

nd what about this?

They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun” – Barack Obama

“I want you to argue with them and get in their face!” – Barack Obama

“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!” – Barack Obama

“Hit Back Twice As Hard” – Barack Obama

“We talk to these folks… so I know who’s a** to kick“– Barack Obama

Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat” - – Barack Obama

“Punish your enemies.” - Barack Obama

“I’m itching for a fight.” – Barack Obama

 

[Pete7469]

Leftists have been violent since Engels published the idiocy Marx regurgitated. The first countries to go moonbat were all violent overthrows of existing governments and mass murders followed them.

Bed wetters in the US have been consistently violent going back to the assassination of President McKinley in 1901.

No political force has been more violent and deadly than leftists.