Who is Minerva, quite right, a Roman Goddess, on the medal of honor!!

[irosie91]

How is that when they stood in opposition of the true God=YHWH? No wonder Jesus taught--Few will find the road that leads off into life( in Gods kingdom)

True God Yahweh? Only if your Judean, Israel's high God was EL. I don't believe Jesus was a Jew. No one knows Gods name, the creators name. Take your pick. The Christian religion is a trinity, do Jews or Muslims have a trinity , no, where do trinities come from, Rome, and Egypt also had some.

Catholicism councils created the trinity, at the first council of Nicea, no trinity was taught, it was added at a later council.
Jesus promised to keep making Gods name known( John 17:26)--the only way that can be done is through his one single true religion.
He also taught his followers that name-John 17:6

Jesus teaches he has a God like we do, his Father-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--so does Paul-2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28--Peter at 1Peter 1:3--John at Rev 1:6

No the Christian religion is not a trinity--the great apostasy is a trinity(2Thess 2:3)--The religion Jesus started serves-YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God and accepts Jesus as the one sent forth from God-the Messiah.

You can't prove the bible by the bible, and also orthodox religion teaches the trinity. Now Jesus never ever says what his Fathers name is. Also I agree he never says he is God. Then again, no one was sitting there writing anything he said , it was wrote after and certaintly not by a fisherman.

Your right the trinity is a Roman theology. Thank you.

why do you assume a fisherman would not write?

It is not totally impossible for a fisherman to know how to read and write.

However, it is highly unlikely that person would stay a fisherman due to better jobs opportunities.

have a cup of coffee------you are in a MESSAGEBOARD---the topic here is PETER---sometimes called PETER SIMON---he was a GALILEAN of Judea----2000 years ago. ----specifically, most likely a Pharisee by political inclination. At that time literacy amongst jewish males was very prevalent---
like approaching 100 % -----I have no doubt that Peter-simon was literate as was Jesus. Fishing was a prevalent occupation in the area called The GALIIL ---it is northern Judea----with some Israel thrown in, I believe. Being able to read would not provide specifically hot shot job opportunities for him------maybe he liked fish

 

[kjw47]

When the Israelites rejected the one sent forth from God--their Messiah Jesus--He tried to help them, they in turn hated him and sent him to be killed and thus were cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39) until they say--Blessed is the one who comes in the name of YHWH(Jehovah)-- its been over 1900 years--they refuse to this day.
A new religion began--ONE single religion--unified in Love, peace and thought--worldwide.

Who said he father was Yahweh, or Jehovah, he didn't.

There is no other name.
Remember Jesus said--- Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name--- he has a name--the only other name in existence = YHWH(Jehovah)
From Moses on up until this very day--every Israelite that served the true living God served a single being God named-YHWH. So did Jesus while he attended the synagogues and temples his first 30 years. The one Jesus calls his God--John 20:17, Rev 3:12
He is YHWH(Jehovah) besides him there is no other( true) God.
This is the bottom line of it all--John 4:22-24

Not true, Solomon turned into a pagan, and also Israel were followers of EL. Jesus never said the name of the Father, he said Jews followed their father the devil. Jesus was the man from Galilee, Nazareth, a Roman station , and wealthy town, who had lots of traffic, trade going on.

Yes Solomon fell to false god worship, he had over 700 wives yet went against Gods law and married foreign wives who thus turned him to false god worship.
John 17:6--Jesus taught the name to his followers. John 17:26--Jesus promised to keep making his Fathers name known. So he assuredly used it--but not in vain.

Gods personal name = YHWH(Jehovah)

I would guess you can call him or her or the creator whatever you want. Jesus says to call him "Our Father", the Lords prayer. I'm not jewish, that would be your name for him, not mine. Oh so we can blame Solomon's wife's for his idolatry. Poor thing, suppose to be the wisest of all, and yet he gets taken in by his wife's. In Ezra they had all intermarried, and Eze 16 the Lords says they are worst than Sodom , they were mainly pagans, and you know there is not much wrong with that, unless of course your killing your children as a sacrifice to God, like what Abraham was about to do. Yahweh was their tribal war God who they called upon for war.

See, you have it wrong--God was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son, because of his perfect justice, it was actually us asking him to sacrifice Jesus on our behalf. He couldn't let Abraham sacrifice Issac--he made future prophecys to Abraham concerning Issac. And Gods word does not go forth and return without results.

God knew with justice involved this had to occur

A sinless mortal, rebelled and sinned, losing a good standing for all mortals with God--justice--- A perfect mortal lived a perfect sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

So God knew it had to occur so was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son.

 

[irosie91]

Who said he father was Yahweh, or Jehovah, he didn't.

There is no other name.
Remember Jesus said--- Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name--- he has a name--the only other name in existence = YHWH(Jehovah)
From Moses on up until this very day--every Israelite that served the true living God served a single being God named-YHWH. So did Jesus while he attended the synagogues and temples his first 30 years. The one Jesus calls his God--John 20:17, Rev 3:12
He is YHWH(Jehovah) besides him there is no other( true) God.
This is the bottom line of it all--John 4:22-24

Not true, Solomon turned into a pagan, and also Israel were followers of EL. Jesus never said the name of the Father, he said Jews followed their father the devil. Jesus was the man from Galilee, Nazareth, a Roman station , and wealthy town, who had lots of traffic, trade going on.

Yes Solomon fell to false god worship, he had over 700 wives yet went against Gods law and married foreign wives who thus turned him to false god worship.
John 17:6--Jesus taught the name to his followers. John 17:26--Jesus promised to keep making his Fathers name known. So he assuredly used it--but not in vain.

Gods personal name = YHWH(Jehovah)

I would guess you can call him or her or the creator whatever you want. Jesus says to call him "Our Father", the Lords prayer. I'm not jewish, that would be your name for him, not mine. Oh so we can blame Solomon's wife's for his idolatry. Poor thing, suppose to be the wisest of all, and yet he gets taken in by his wife's. In Ezra they had all intermarried, and Eze 16 the Lords says they are worst than Sodom , they were mainly pagans, and you know there is not much wrong with that, unless of course your killing your children as a sacrifice to God, like what Abraham was about to do. Yahweh was their tribal war God who they called upon for war.

See, you have it wrong--God was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son, because of his perfect justice, it was actually us asking him to sacrifice Jesus on our behalf. He couldn't let Abraham sacrifice Issac--he made future prophecys to Abraham concerning Issac. And Gods word does not go forth and return without results.

God knew with justice involved this had to occur

A sinless mortal, rebelled and sinned, losing a good standing for all mortals with God--justice--- A perfect mortal lived a perfect sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

So God knew it had to occur so was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son.

do not try to discuss interpretation of fine literature with
Penelope-----she never read the stuff. Lots of people
never have. Think back-----how many of the kids in your ninth grade class actually READ the Odyssey? Why read a book when people like Penny can depend on CLASSIC COMICS----&/or CLIFF's NOTES

 

[Penelope]

Who said he father was Yahweh, or Jehovah, he didn't.

There is no other name.
Remember Jesus said--- Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name--- he has a name--the only other name in existence = YHWH(Jehovah)
From Moses on up until this very day--every Israelite that served the true living God served a single being God named-YHWH. So did Jesus while he attended the synagogues and temples his first 30 years. The one Jesus calls his God--John 20:17, Rev 3:12
He is YHWH(Jehovah) besides him there is no other( true) God.
This is the bottom line of it all--John 4:22-24

Not true, Solomon turned into a pagan, and also Israel were followers of EL. Jesus never said the name of the Father, he said Jews followed their father the devil. Jesus was the man from Galilee, Nazareth, a Roman station , and wealthy town, who had lots of traffic, trade going on.

Yes Solomon fell to false god worship, he had over 700 wives yet went against Gods law and married foreign wives who thus turned him to false god worship.
John 17:6--Jesus taught the name to his followers. John 17:26--Jesus promised to keep making his Fathers name known. So he assuredly used it--but not in vain.

Gods personal name = YHWH(Jehovah)

I would guess you can call him or her or the creator whatever you want. Jesus says to call him "Our Father", the Lords prayer. I'm not jewish, that would be your name for him, not mine. Oh so we can blame Solomon's wife's for his idolatry. Poor thing, suppose to be the wisest of all, and yet he gets taken in by his wife's. In Ezra they had all intermarried, and Eze 16 the Lords says they are worst than Sodom , they were mainly pagans, and you know there is not much wrong with that, unless of course your killing your children as a sacrifice to God, like what Abraham was about to do. Yahweh was their tribal war God who they called upon for war.

See, you have it wrong--God was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son, because of his perfect justice, it was actually us asking him to sacrifice Jesus on our behalf. He couldn't let Abraham sacrifice Issac--he made future prophecys to Abraham concerning Issac. And Gods word does not go forth and return without results.

God knew with justice involved this had to occur

A sinless mortal, rebelled and sinned, losing a good standing for all mortals with God--justice--- A perfect mortal lived a perfect sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

So God knew it had to occur so was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son.

No some kings in ancient times, when their tribes were facing hard times , sacrificed a child, and that is what Abraham was going to do, till he saw the light, but its a story. No we are not to take it literal for today, we would never think of sacrificing our children, and I'm sure God didn't either. Its a story, the greatest story. The moral of the story, is peace and not war.

 

[irosie91]

There is no other name.
Remember Jesus said--- Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name--- he has a name--the only other name in existence = YHWH(Jehovah)
From Moses on up until this very day--every Israelite that served the true living God served a single being God named-YHWH. So did Jesus while he attended the synagogues and temples his first 30 years. The one Jesus calls his God--John 20:17, Rev 3:12
He is YHWH(Jehovah) besides him there is no other( true) God.
This is the bottom line of it all--John 4:22-24

Not true, Solomon turned into a pagan, and also Israel were followers of EL. Jesus never said the name of the Father, he said Jews followed their father the devil. Jesus was the man from Galilee, Nazareth, a Roman station , and wealthy town, who had lots of traffic, trade going on.

Yes Solomon fell to false god worship, he had over 700 wives yet went against Gods law and married foreign wives who thus turned him to false god worship.
John 17:6--Jesus taught the name to his followers. John 17:26--Jesus promised to keep making his Fathers name known. So he assuredly used it--but not in vain.

Gods personal name = YHWH(Jehovah)

I would guess you can call him or her or the creator whatever you want. Jesus says to call him "Our Father", the Lords prayer. I'm not jewish, that would be your name for him, not mine. Oh so we can blame Solomon's wife's for his idolatry. Poor thing, suppose to be the wisest of all, and yet he gets taken in by his wife's. In Ezra they had all intermarried, and Eze 16 the Lords says they are worst than Sodom , they were mainly pagans, and you know there is not much wrong with that, unless of course your killing your children as a sacrifice to God, like what Abraham was about to do. Yahweh was their tribal war God who they called upon for war.

See, you have it wrong--God was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son, because of his perfect justice, it was actually us asking him to sacrifice Jesus on our behalf. He couldn't let Abraham sacrifice Issac--he made future prophecys to Abraham concerning Issac. And Gods word does not go forth and return without results.

God knew with justice involved this had to occur

A sinless mortal, rebelled and sinned, losing a good standing for all mortals with God--justice--- A perfect mortal lived a perfect sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

So God knew it had to occur so was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son.

No some kings in ancient times, when their tribes were facing hard times , sacrificed a child, and that is what Abraham was going to do, till he saw the light, but its a story. No we are not to take it literal for today, we would never think of sacrificing our children, and I'm sure God didn't either. Its a story, the greatest story. The moral of the story, is peace and not war.

Penelope----try not to comment on stuff about which you know nothing------it is irritating. ......the 'greatest story' ROFLMAO

 

[Penelope]

There is no other name.
Remember Jesus said--- Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name--- he has a name--the only other name in existence = YHWH(Jehovah)
From Moses on up until this very day--every Israelite that served the true living God served a single being God named-YHWH. So did Jesus while he attended the synagogues and temples his first 30 years. The one Jesus calls his God--John 20:17, Rev 3:12
He is YHWH(Jehovah) besides him there is no other( true) God.
This is the bottom line of it all--John 4:22-24

Not true, Solomon turned into a pagan, and also Israel were followers of EL. Jesus never said the name of the Father, he said Jews followed their father the devil. Jesus was the man from Galilee, Nazareth, a Roman station , and wealthy town, who had lots of traffic, trade going on.

Yes Solomon fell to false god worship, he had over 700 wives yet went against Gods law and married foreign wives who thus turned him to false god worship.
John 17:6--Jesus taught the name to his followers. John 17:26--Jesus promised to keep making his Fathers name known. So he assuredly used it--but not in vain.

Gods personal name = YHWH(Jehovah)

I would guess you can call him or her or the creator whatever you want. Jesus says to call him "Our Father", the Lords prayer. I'm not jewish, that would be your name for him, not mine. Oh so we can blame Solomon's wife's for his idolatry. Poor thing, suppose to be the wisest of all, and yet he gets taken in by his wife's. In Ezra they had all intermarried, and Eze 16 the Lords says they are worst than Sodom , they were mainly pagans, and you know there is not much wrong with that, unless of course your killing your children as a sacrifice to God, like what Abraham was about to do. Yahweh was their tribal war God who they called upon for war.

See, you have it wrong--God was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son, because of his perfect justice, it was actually us asking him to sacrifice Jesus on our behalf. He couldn't let Abraham sacrifice Issac--he made future prophecys to Abraham concerning Issac. And Gods word does not go forth and return without results.

God knew with justice involved this had to occur

A sinless mortal, rebelled and sinned, losing a good standing for all mortals with God--justice--- A perfect mortal lived a perfect sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

So God knew it had to occur so was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son.

do not try to discuss interpretation of fine literature with
Penelope-----she never read the stuff. Lots of people
never have. Think back-----how many of the kids in your ninth grade class actually READ the Odyssey? Why read a book when people like Penny can depend on CLASSIC COMICS----&/or CLIFF's NOTES

If you have time, lots of it read Eusebius and the prep of the gospels, and he says the Phoenician Kings use to sacrifice their kids when things were going bad. According to the OT Abraham was a wealthy with slaves, and he must of though sacrificing his son would bring blessing from the Gods, why else would that story be there.
I mean to just make it up, no , it had to come from somewhere.

 

[irosie91]

PS----for those who do not know-----killing of children was VERY prevalent in ancient times depending on culture. In fact---in the filth of ROMAN "CULTURE"----a man----who was the head of a household PATERFAMILIAS----had the indisputable RIGHT to
kill any of his children or any of his slaves------it was entirely legal. New born babies were not nurtured unless the Paterfamilias ALLOWED IT. If he did not want another kid in
the house-----the kid was left on a rock to die

 

[Penelope]

How is that when they stood in opposition of the true God=YHWH? No wonder Jesus taught--Few will find the road that leads off into life( in Gods kingdom)

True God Yahweh? Only if your Judean, Israel's high God was EL. I don't believe Jesus was a Jew. No one knows Gods name, the creators name. Take your pick. The Christian religion is a trinity, do Jews or Muslims have a trinity , no, where do trinities come from, Rome, and Egypt also had some.

Catholicism councils created the trinity, at the first council of Nicea, no trinity was taught, it was added at a later council.
Jesus promised to keep making Gods name known( John 17:26)--the only way that can be done is through his one single true religion.
He also taught his followers that name-John 17:6

Jesus teaches he has a God like we do, his Father-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--so does Paul-2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28--Peter at 1Peter 1:3--John at Rev 1:6

No the Christian religion is not a trinity--the great apostasy is a trinity(2Thess 2:3)--The religion Jesus started serves-YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God and accepts Jesus as the one sent forth from God-the Messiah.

You can't prove the bible by the bible, and also orthodox religion teaches the trinity. Now Jesus never ever says what his Fathers name is. Also I agree he never says he is God. Then again, no one was sitting there writing anything he said , it was wrote after and certaintly not by a fisherman.

Your right the trinity is a Roman theology. Thank you.

why do you assume a fisherman would not write?

It is not totally impossible for a fisherman to know how to read and write.

However, it is highly unlikely that person would stay a fisherman due to better jobs opportunities.

PS----for those who do not know-----killing of children was VERY prevalent in ancient times depending on culture. In fact---in the filth of ROMAN "CULTURE"----a man----who was the head of a household PATERFAMILIAS----had the indisputable RIGHT to
kill any of his children or any of his slaves------it was entirely legal. New born babies were not nurtured unless the Paterfamilias ALLOWED IT. If he did not want another kid in
the house-----the kid was left on a rock to die

This thread is about how the Roman Goddess Minerva is today still present in many things, I mean on the medal of honor. Romans were very religious, they valued kids, they were more educated that the tribes in Canaan.

 

[irosie91]

Not true, Solomon turned into a pagan, and also Israel were followers of EL. Jesus never said the name of the Father, he said Jews followed their father the devil. Jesus was the man from Galilee, Nazareth, a Roman station , and wealthy town, who had lots of traffic, trade going on.

Yes Solomon fell to false god worship, he had over 700 wives yet went against Gods law and married foreign wives who thus turned him to false god worship.
John 17:6--Jesus taught the name to his followers. John 17:26--Jesus promised to keep making his Fathers name known. So he assuredly used it--but not in vain.

Gods personal name = YHWH(Jehovah)

I would guess you can call him or her or the creator whatever you want. Jesus says to call him "Our Father", the Lords prayer. I'm not jewish, that would be your name for him, not mine. Oh so we can blame Solomon's wife's for his idolatry. Poor thing, suppose to be the wisest of all, and yet he gets taken in by his wife's. In Ezra they had all intermarried, and Eze 16 the Lords says they are worst than Sodom , they were mainly pagans, and you know there is not much wrong with that, unless of course your killing your children as a sacrifice to God, like what Abraham was about to do. Yahweh was their tribal war God who they called upon for war.

See, you have it wrong--God was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son, because of his perfect justice, it was actually us asking him to sacrifice Jesus on our behalf. He couldn't let Abraham sacrifice Issac--he made future prophecys to Abraham concerning Issac. And Gods word does not go forth and return without results.

God knew with justice involved this had to occur

A sinless mortal, rebelled and sinned, losing a good standing for all mortals with God--justice--- A perfect mortal lived a perfect sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

So God knew it had to occur so was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son.

do not try to discuss interpretation of fine literature with
Penelope-----she never read the stuff. Lots of people
never have. Think back-----how many of the kids in your ninth grade class actually READ the Odyssey? Why read a book when people like Penny can depend on CLASSIC COMICS----&/or CLIFF's NOTES

If you have time, lots of it read Eusebius and the prep of the gospels, and he says the Phoenician Kings use to sacrifice their kids when things were going bad. According to the OT Abraham was a wealthy with slaves, and he must of though sacrificing his son would bring blessing from the Gods, why else would that story be there.
I mean to just make it up, no , it had to come from somewhere.

you seem to imagine that the story came from your stinking ass. What do Phonecian kings have to do with the situation--------the people were not Phonecian. Mayans did lots of killing of people for ceremonial reasons too------but Abraham was not a MAYAN. Here is a test-----from what culture did Abraham emerge? AZTECS? A personal question----when you were a kid did you imagine that Mother Mary cooked
grits and gravy for baby jesus in the manger?. Did you ever hear of the historic place called MESOPOTAMIA by the ancient greeks?

 

[Penelope]

Yes Solomon fell to false god worship, he had over 700 wives yet went against Gods law and married foreign wives who thus turned him to false god worship.
John 17:6--Jesus taught the name to his followers. John 17:26--Jesus promised to keep making his Fathers name known. So he assuredly used it--but not in vain.

Gods personal name = YHWH(Jehovah)

I would guess you can call him or her or the creator whatever you want. Jesus says to call him "Our Father", the Lords prayer. I'm not jewish, that would be your name for him, not mine. Oh so we can blame Solomon's wife's for his idolatry. Poor thing, suppose to be the wisest of all, and yet he gets taken in by his wife's. In Ezra they had all intermarried, and Eze 16 the Lords says they are worst than Sodom , they were mainly pagans, and you know there is not much wrong with that, unless of course your killing your children as a sacrifice to God, like what Abraham was about to do. Yahweh was their tribal war God who they called upon for war.

See, you have it wrong--God was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son, because of his perfect justice, it was actually us asking him to sacrifice Jesus on our behalf. He couldn't let Abraham sacrifice Issac--he made future prophecys to Abraham concerning Issac. And Gods word does not go forth and return without results.

God knew with justice involved this had to occur

A sinless mortal, rebelled and sinned, losing a good standing for all mortals with God--justice--- A perfect mortal lived a perfect sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

So God knew it had to occur so was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son.

do not try to discuss interpretation of fine literature with
Penelope-----she never read the stuff. Lots of people
never have. Think back-----how many of the kids in your ninth grade class actually READ the Odyssey? Why read a book when people like Penny can depend on CLASSIC COMICS----&/or CLIFF's NOTES

If you have time, lots of it read Eusebius and the prep of the gospels, and he says the Phoenician Kings use to sacrifice their kids when things were going bad. According to the OT Abraham was a wealthy with slaves, and he must of though sacrificing his son would bring blessing from the Gods, why else would that story be there.
I mean to just make it up, no , it had to come from somewhere.

you seem to imagine that the story came from your stinking ass. What do Phonecian kings have to do with the situation--------the people were not Phonecian. Mayans did lots of killing of people for ceremonial reasons too------but Abraham was not a MAYAN. Here is a test-----from what culture did Abraham emerge? AZTECS? A personal question----when you were a kid did you imagine that Mother Mary cooked
grits and gravy for baby jesus in the manger?. Did you ever hear of the historic place called MESOPOTAMIA by the ancient greeks?

Have you read Josephus, a mother named Mary cooked her infant to eat in the temple area, since the child was going to die anyway , may as well eat him.

 

[irosie91]

True God Yahweh? Only if your Judean, Israel's high God was EL. I don't believe Jesus was a Jew. No one knows Gods name, the creators name. Take your pick. The Christian religion is a trinity, do Jews or Muslims have a trinity , no, where do trinities come from, Rome, and Egypt also had some.

Catholicism councils created the trinity, at the first council of Nicea, no trinity was taught, it was added at a later council.
Jesus promised to keep making Gods name known( John 17:26)--the only way that can be done is through his one single true religion.
He also taught his followers that name-John 17:6

Jesus teaches he has a God like we do, his Father-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--so does Paul-2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28--Peter at 1Peter 1:3--John at Rev 1:6

No the Christian religion is not a trinity--the great apostasy is a trinity(2Thess 2:3)--The religion Jesus started serves-YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God and accepts Jesus as the one sent forth from God-the Messiah.

You can't prove the bible by the bible, and also orthodox religion teaches the trinity. Now Jesus never ever says what his Fathers name is. Also I agree he never says he is God. Then again, no one was sitting there writing anything he said , it was wrote after and certaintly not by a fisherman.

Your right the trinity is a Roman theology. Thank you.

why do you assume a fisherman would not write?

It is not totally impossible for a fisherman to know how to read and write.

However, it is highly unlikely that person would stay a fisherman due to better jobs opportunities.

PS----for those who do not know-----killing of children was VERY prevalent in ancient times depending on culture. In fact---in the filth of ROMAN "CULTURE"----a man----who was the head of a household PATERFAMILIAS----had the indisputable RIGHT to
kill any of his children or any of his slaves------it was entirely legal. New born babies were not nurtured unless the Paterfamilias ALLOWED IT. If he did not want another kid in
the house-----the kid was left on a rock to die

This thread is about how the Roman Goddess Minerva is today still present in many things, I mean on the medal of honor. Romans were very religious, they valued kids, they were more educated that the tribes in Canaan.

Roman law ALLOWED THE PATERFAMILIAS to kill any of his own children or any of his slaves-----legally, Doing so was not uncommon at all. What do the "TRIBES IN CANAAN" have to do with anything ? Your tribes in Appalachia are virtually all illiterate. In fact----literacy in Rome was confined to the wealthy and THE GREEKS. It was non-existent for the
common population and ------in general---the non greek slaves

 

[irosie91]

I would guess you can call him or her or the creator whatever you want. Jesus says to call him "Our Father", the Lords prayer. I'm not jewish, that would be your name for him, not mine. Oh so we can blame Solomon's wife's for his idolatry. Poor thing, suppose to be the wisest of all, and yet he gets taken in by his wife's. In Ezra they had all intermarried, and Eze 16 the Lords says they are worst than Sodom , they were mainly pagans, and you know there is not much wrong with that, unless of course your killing your children as a sacrifice to God, like what Abraham was about to do. Yahweh was their tribal war God who they called upon for war.

See, you have it wrong--God was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son, because of his perfect justice, it was actually us asking him to sacrifice Jesus on our behalf. He couldn't let Abraham sacrifice Issac--he made future prophecys to Abraham concerning Issac. And Gods word does not go forth and return without results.

God knew with justice involved this had to occur

A sinless mortal, rebelled and sinned, losing a good standing for all mortals with God--justice--- A perfect mortal lived a perfect sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

So God knew it had to occur so was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son.

do not try to discuss interpretation of fine literature with
Penelope-----she never read the stuff. Lots of people
never have. Think back-----how many of the kids in your ninth grade class actually READ the Odyssey? Why read a book when people like Penny can depend on CLASSIC COMICS----&/or CLIFF's NOTES

If you have time, lots of it read Eusebius and the prep of the gospels, and he says the Phoenician Kings use to sacrifice their kids when things were going bad. According to the OT Abraham was a wealthy with slaves, and he must of though sacrificing his son would bring blessing from the Gods, why else would that story be there.
I mean to just make it up, no , it had to come from somewhere.

you seem to imagine that the story came from your stinking ass. What do Phonecian kings have to do with the situation--------the people were not Phonecian. Mayans did lots of killing of people for ceremonial reasons too------but Abraham was not a MAYAN. Here is a test-----from what culture did Abraham emerge? AZTECS? A personal question----when you were a kid did you imagine that Mother Mary cooked
grits and gravy for baby jesus in the manger?. Did you ever hear of the historic place called MESOPOTAMIA by the ancient greeks?

Have you read Josephus, a mother named Mary cooked her infant to eat in the temple area, since the child was going to die anyway , may as well eat him.

oh----was that the mother of Jesus?

 

[irosie91]

Who said he father was Yahweh, or Jehovah, he didn't.

There is no other name.
Remember Jesus said--- Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name--- he has a name--the only other name in existence = YHWH(Jehovah)
From Moses on up until this very day--every Israelite that served the true living God served a single being God named-YHWH. So did Jesus while he attended the synagogues and temples his first 30 years. The one Jesus calls his God--John 20:17, Rev 3:12
He is YHWH(Jehovah) besides him there is no other( true) God.
This is the bottom line of it all--John 4:22-24

Not true, Solomon turned into a pagan, and also Israel were followers of EL. Jesus never said the name of the Father, he said Jews followed their father the devil. Jesus was the man from Galilee, Nazareth, a Roman station , and wealthy town, who had lots of traffic, trade going on.

Yes Solomon fell to false god worship, he had over 700 wives yet went against Gods law and married foreign wives who thus turned him to false god worship.
John 17:6--Jesus taught the name to his followers. John 17:26--Jesus promised to keep making his Fathers name known. So he assuredly used it--but not in vain.

Gods personal name = YHWH(Jehovah)

I would guess you can call him or her or the creator whatever you want. Jesus says to call him "Our Father", the Lords prayer. I'm not jewish, that would be your name for him, not mine. Oh so we can blame Solomon's wife's for his idolatry. Poor thing, suppose to be the wisest of all, and yet he gets taken in by his wife's. In Ezra they had all intermarried, and Eze 16 the Lords says they are worst than Sodom , they were mainly pagans, and you know there is not much wrong with that, unless of course your killing your children as a sacrifice to God, like what Abraham was about to do. Yahweh was their tribal war God who they called upon for war.

See, you have it wrong--God was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son, because of his perfect justice, it was actually us asking him to sacrifice Jesus on our behalf. He couldn't let Abraham sacrifice Issac--he made future prophecys to Abraham concerning Issac. And Gods word does not go forth and return without results.

God knew with justice involved this had to occur

A sinless mortal, rebelled and sinned, losing a good standing for all mortals with God--justice--- A perfect mortal lived a perfect sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

So God knew it had to occur so was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son.

I would guess you can call him or her or the creator whatever you want. Jesus says to call him "Our Father", the Lords prayer. I'm not jewish, that would be your name for him, not mine. Oh so we can blame Solomon's wife's for his idolatry. Poor thing, suppose to be the wisest of all, and yet he gets taken in by his wife's. In Ezra they had all intermarried, and Eze 16 the Lords says they are worst than Sodom , they were mainly pagans, and you know there is not much wrong with that, unless of course your killing your children as a sacrifice to God, like what Abraham was about to do. Yahweh was their tribal war God who they called upon for war.

See, you have it wrong--God was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son, because of his perfect justice, it was actually us asking him to sacrifice Jesus on our behalf. He couldn't let Abraham sacrifice Issac--he made future prophecys to Abraham concerning Issac. And Gods word does not go forth and return without results.

God knew with justice involved this had to occur

A sinless mortal, rebelled and sinned, losing a good standing for all mortals with God--justice--- A perfect mortal lived a perfect sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

So God knew it had to occur so was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son.

do not try to discuss interpretation of fine literature with
Penelope-----she never read the stuff. Lots of people
never have. Think back-----how many of the kids in your ninth grade class actually READ the Odyssey? Why read a book when people like Penny can depend on CLASSIC COMICS----&/or CLIFF's NOTES

If you have time, lots of it read Eusebius and the prep of the gospels, and he says the Phoenician Kings use to sacrifice their kids when things were going bad. According to the OT Abraham was a wealthy with slaves, and he must of though sacrificing his son would bring blessing from the Gods, why else would that story be there.
I mean to just make it up, no , it had to come from somewhere.

you seem to imagine that the story came from your stinking ass. What do Phonecian kings have to do with the situation--------the people were not Phonecian. Mayans did lots of killing of people for ceremonial reasons too------but Abraham was not a MAYAN. Here is a test-----from what culture did Abraham emerge? AZTECS? A personal question----when you were a kid did you imagine that Mother Mary cooked
grits and gravy for baby jesus in the manger?. Did you ever hear of the historic place called MESOPOTAMIA by the ancient greeks?

Have you read Josephus, a mother named Mary cooked her infant to eat in the temple area, since the child was going to die anyway , may as well eat him.

have YOU read Josephus? or are your recounting a paragraph upon which your catechism whore focused as she
struggled to shove the alter boy into the little room where "FATHER WHAT's HIS NAME was waiting?

 

[irosie91]

I would guess you can call him or her or the creator whatever you want. Jesus says to call him "Our Father", the Lords prayer. I'm not jewish, that would be your name for him, not mine. Oh so we can blame Solomon's wife's for his idolatry. Poor thing, suppose to be the wisest of all, and yet he gets taken in by his wife's. In Ezra they had all intermarried, and Eze 16 the Lords says they are worst than Sodom , they were mainly pagans, and you know there is not much wrong with that, unless of course your killing your children as a sacrifice to God, like what Abraham was about to do. Yahweh was their tribal war God who they called upon for war.

See, you have it wrong--God was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son, because of his perfect justice, it was actually us asking him to sacrifice Jesus on our behalf. He couldn't let Abraham sacrifice Issac--he made future prophecys to Abraham concerning Issac. And Gods word does not go forth and return without results.

God knew with justice involved this had to occur

A sinless mortal, rebelled and sinned, losing a good standing for all mortals with God--justice--- A perfect mortal lived a perfect sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

So God knew it had to occur so was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son.

do not try to discuss interpretation of fine literature with
Penelope-----she never read the stuff. Lots of people
never have. Think back-----how many of the kids in your ninth grade class actually READ the Odyssey? Why read a book when people like Penny can depend on CLASSIC COMICS----&/or CLIFF's NOTES

If you have time, lots of it read Eusebius and the prep of the gospels, and he says the Phoenician Kings use to sacrifice their kids when things were going bad. According to the OT Abraham was a wealthy with slaves, and he must of though sacrificing his son would bring blessing from the Gods, why else would that story be there.
I mean to just make it up, no , it had to come from somewhere.

you seem to imagine that the story came from your stinking ass. What do Phonecian kings have to do with the situation--------the people were not Phonecian. Mayans did lots of killing of people for ceremonial reasons too------but Abraham was not a MAYAN. Here is a test-----from what culture did Abraham emerge? AZTECS? A personal question----when you were a kid did you imagine that Mother Mary cooked
grits and gravy for baby jesus in the manger?. Did you ever hear of the historic place called MESOPOTAMIA by the ancient greeks?

Have you read Josephus, a mother named Mary cooked her infant to eat in the temple area, since the child was going to die anyway , may as well eat him.

Of course I read Josephus----WHILE HE WAS ENSLAVED IN ROME----he wrote a very careful and scholarly account of the
barbaric destruction of Jerusalem by Roman dogs. True to form the roman pigs inflicted starvation siege----they LOVED to see people ---especially children, die of starvation. ----It's a REICH (holy roman empire) thing. Josephus described the situation using very dramatic imagery----kinda like the imagery found in the Book of Ezekiel which is kinda reprised also in the NT book REVELATIONS. Josephus was brilliant in his ability to make the roman dogs FEEL GOOD about it. They virtually worshipped him ------whilst in FACT---he revealed their stink

 

[Penelope]

See, you have it wrong--God was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son, because of his perfect justice, it was actually us asking him to sacrifice Jesus on our behalf. He couldn't let Abraham sacrifice Issac--he made future prophecys to Abraham concerning Issac. And Gods word does not go forth and return without results.

God knew with justice involved this had to occur

A sinless mortal, rebelled and sinned, losing a good standing for all mortals with God--justice--- A perfect mortal lived a perfect sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

So God knew it had to occur so was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son.

do not try to discuss interpretation of fine literature with
Penelope-----she never read the stuff. Lots of people
never have. Think back-----how many of the kids in your ninth grade class actually READ the Odyssey? Why read a book when people like Penny can depend on CLASSIC COMICS----&/or CLIFF's NOTES

If you have time, lots of it read Eusebius and the prep of the gospels, and he says the Phoenician Kings use to sacrifice their kids when things were going bad. According to the OT Abraham was a wealthy with slaves, and he must of though sacrificing his son would bring blessing from the Gods, why else would that story be there.
I mean to just make it up, no , it had to come from somewhere.

you seem to imagine that the story came from your stinking ass. What do Phonecian kings have to do with the situation--------the people were not Phonecian. Mayans did lots of killing of people for ceremonial reasons too------but Abraham was not a MAYAN. Here is a test-----from what culture did Abraham emerge? AZTECS? A personal question----when you were a kid did you imagine that Mother Mary cooked
grits and gravy for baby jesus in the manger?. Did you ever hear of the historic place called MESOPOTAMIA by the ancient greeks?

Have you read Josephus, a mother named Mary cooked her infant to eat in the temple area, since the child was going to die anyway , may as well eat him.

Of course I read Josephus----WHILE HE WAS ENSLAVED IN ROME----he wrote a very careful and scholarly account of the
barbaric destruction of Jerusalem by Roman dogs. True to form the roman pigs inflicted starvation siege----they LOVED to see people ---especially children, die of starvation. ----It's a REICH (holy roman empire) thing. Josephus described the situation using very dramatic imagery----kinda like the imagery found in the Book of Ezekiel which is kinda reprised also in the NT book REVELATIONS. Josephus was brilliant in his ability to make the roman dogs FEEL GOOD about it. They virtually worshipped him ------whilst in FACT---he revealed their stink

Josephus was also good to show how the jews had a civil war going on (since the Maccabee's) and were fighting with the Greeks which is why the Romans had to get involved. Remember the area was a high trade route.

I don't know do you think Virgin Mary was the same Mary who roasted her infant son in the temple. I don't.

 

[irosie91]

do not try to discuss interpretation of fine literature with
Penelope-----she never read the stuff. Lots of people
never have. Think back-----how many of the kids in your ninth grade class actually READ the Odyssey? Why read a book when people like Penny can depend on CLASSIC COMICS----&/or CLIFF's NOTES

If you have time, lots of it read Eusebius and the prep of the gospels, and he says the Phoenician Kings use to sacrifice their kids when things were going bad. According to the OT Abraham was a wealthy with slaves, and he must of though sacrificing his son would bring blessing from the Gods, why else would that story be there.
I mean to just make it up, no , it had to come from somewhere.

you seem to imagine that the story came from your stinking ass. What do Phonecian kings have to do with the situation--------the people were not Phonecian. Mayans did lots of killing of people for ceremonial reasons too------but Abraham was not a MAYAN. Here is a test-----from what culture did Abraham emerge? AZTECS? A personal question----when you were a kid did you imagine that Mother Mary cooked
grits and gravy for baby jesus in the manger?. Did you ever hear of the historic place called MESOPOTAMIA by the ancient greeks?

Have you read Josephus, a mother named Mary cooked her infant to eat in the temple area, since the child was going to die anyway , may as well eat him.

Of course I read Josephus----WHILE HE WAS ENSLAVED IN ROME----he wrote a very careful and scholarly account of the
barbaric destruction of Jerusalem by Roman dogs. True to form the roman pigs inflicted starvation siege----they LOVED to see people ---especially children, die of starvation. ----It's a REICH (holy roman empire) thing. Josephus described the situation using very dramatic imagery----kinda like the imagery found in the Book of Ezekiel which is kinda reprised also in the NT book REVELATIONS. Josephus was brilliant in his ability to make the roman dogs FEEL GOOD about it. They virtually worshipped him ------whilst in FACT---he revealed their stink

Josephus was also good to show how the jews had a civil war going on (since the Maccabee's) and were fighting with the Greeks which is why the Romans had to get involved. Remember the area was a high trade route.

I don't know do you think Virgin Mary was the same Mary who roasted her infant son in the temple. I don't.[/QUO

Regarding the barbaric attack on Judea by the greeks ----and that of the Romans---you are off by a few centuries. As to the various MARYs-----like John---both were prevalent names and their use for ANYONE suggests that the stories are parables. The eating persons and virgin births thing suggest
familiarity with roman perversions------interestingly the "vestal '
virgins enjoyed watching the roman entertainment of feeding people to starving lions. Both stories have *ROME* and its perversions stamped all over them

 

[kjw47]

I would guess you can call him or her or the creator whatever you want. Jesus says to call him "Our Father", the Lords prayer. I'm not jewish, that would be your name for him, not mine. Oh so we can blame Solomon's wife's for his idolatry. Poor thing, suppose to be the wisest of all, and yet he gets taken in by his wife's. In Ezra they had all intermarried, and Eze 16 the Lords says they are worst than Sodom , they were mainly pagans, and you know there is not much wrong with that, unless of course your killing your children as a sacrifice to God, like what Abraham was about to do. Yahweh was their tribal war God who they called upon for war.

See, you have it wrong--God was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son, because of his perfect justice, it was actually us asking him to sacrifice Jesus on our behalf. He couldn't let Abraham sacrifice Issac--he made future prophecys to Abraham concerning Issac. And Gods word does not go forth and return without results.

God knew with justice involved this had to occur

A sinless mortal, rebelled and sinned, losing a good standing for all mortals with God--justice--- A perfect mortal lived a perfect sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

So God knew it had to occur so was just showing all how terrible it is to be asked to sacrifice ones own son.

do not try to discuss interpretation of fine literature with
Penelope-----she never read the stuff. Lots of people
never have. Think back-----how many of the kids in your ninth grade class actually READ the Odyssey? Why read a book when people like Penny can depend on CLASSIC COMICS----&/or CLIFF's NOTES

If you have time, lots of it read Eusebius and the prep of the gospels, and he says the Phoenician Kings use to sacrifice their kids when things were going bad. According to the OT Abraham was a wealthy with slaves, and he must of though sacrificing his son would bring blessing from the Gods, why else would that story be there.
I mean to just make it up, no , it had to come from somewhere.

you seem to imagine that the story came from your stinking ass. What do Phonecian kings have to do with the situation--------the people were not Phonecian. Mayans did lots of killing of people for ceremonial reasons too------but Abraham was not a MAYAN. Here is a test-----from what culture did Abraham emerge? AZTECS? A personal question----when you were a kid did you imagine that Mother Mary cooked
grits and gravy for baby jesus in the manger?. Did you ever hear of the historic place called MESOPOTAMIA by the ancient greeks?

Have you read Josephus, a mother named Mary cooked her infant to eat in the temple area, since the child was going to die anyway , may as well eat him.

Many of the false religions in ot times sacrificed their children--it was one of the reasons archeologists commented--we don't know why God waited so long to destroy those cultures. After they dug up the sights. Orgies were used in some false religious worship as well.
When the supposed Christian armies were told to wipe the Mayans or incas off of Gods earth by the clergy in Europe at that time, for practicing fornication--- the clergymen were the #1 attendees of the brothels, fornicating regularly. They really wanted the gold. God was never with those false religions claiming to be Christian, not to this day.

 

[irosie91]

do not try to discuss interpretation of fine literature with
Penelope-----she never read the stuff. Lots of people
never have. Think back-----how many of the kids in your ninth grade class actually READ the Odyssey? Why read a book when people like Penny can depend on CLASSIC COMICS----&/or CLIFF's NOTES

If you have time, lots of it read Eusebius and the prep of the gospels, and he says the Phoenician Kings use to sacrifice their kids when things were going bad. According to the OT Abraham was a wealthy with slaves, and he must of though sacrificing his son would bring blessing from the Gods, why else would that story be there.
I mean to just make it up, no , it had to come from somewhere.

you seem to imagine that the story came from your stinking ass. What do Phonecian kings have to do with the situation--------the people were not Phonecian. Mayans did lots of killing of people for ceremonial reasons too------but Abraham was not a MAYAN. Here is a test-----from what culture did Abraham emerge? AZTECS? A personal question----when you were a kid did you imagine that Mother Mary cooked
grits and gravy for baby jesus in the manger?. Did you ever hear of the historic place called MESOPOTAMIA by the ancient greeks?

Have you read Josephus, a mother named Mary cooked her infant to eat in the temple area, since the child was going to die anyway , may as well eat him.

Of course I read Josephus----WHILE HE WAS ENSLAVED IN ROME----he wrote a very careful and scholarly account of the
barbaric destruction of Jerusalem by Roman dogs. True to form the roman pigs inflicted starvation siege----they LOVED to see people ---especially children, die of starvation. ----It's a REICH (holy roman empire) thing. Josephus described the situation using very dramatic imagery----kinda like the imagery found in the Book of Ezekiel which is kinda reprised also in the NT book REVELATIONS. Josephus was brilliant in his ability to make the roman dogs FEEL GOOD about it. They virtually worshipped him ------whilst in FACT---he revealed their stink

Josephus was also good to show how the jews had a civil war going on (since the Maccabee's) and were fighting with the Greeks which is why the Romans had to get involved. Remember the area was a high trade route.

I don't know do you think Virgin Mary was the same Mary who roasted her infant son in the temple. I don't.

You misread Josephus again------did you attain a high school diploma -----you are off by several centuries in your fantasy. What area was a "HIGH TRADE ROUTE"---and what has that got to do with Roman barbarity 2000 years ago and Greek barbarity 2500 years ago?

 

[Penelope]

If you have time, lots of it read Eusebius and the prep of the gospels, and he says the Phoenician Kings use to sacrifice their kids when things were going bad. According to the OT Abraham was a wealthy with slaves, and he must of though sacrificing his son would bring blessing from the Gods, why else would that story be there.
I mean to just make it up, no , it had to come from somewhere.

you seem to imagine that the story came from your stinking ass. What do Phonecian kings have to do with the situation--------the people were not Phonecian. Mayans did lots of killing of people for ceremonial reasons too------but Abraham was not a MAYAN. Here is a test-----from what culture did Abraham emerge? AZTECS? A personal question----when you were a kid did you imagine that Mother Mary cooked
grits and gravy for baby jesus in the manger?. Did you ever hear of the historic place called MESOPOTAMIA by the ancient greeks?

Have you read Josephus, a mother named Mary cooked her infant to eat in the temple area, since the child was going to die anyway , may as well eat him.

Of course I read Josephus----WHILE HE WAS ENSLAVED IN ROME----he wrote a very careful and scholarly account of the
barbaric destruction of Jerusalem by Roman dogs. True to form the roman pigs inflicted starvation siege----they LOVED to see people ---especially children, die of starvation. ----It's a REICH (holy roman empire) thing. Josephus described the situation using very dramatic imagery----kinda like the imagery found in the Book of Ezekiel which is kinda reprised also in the NT book REVELATIONS. Josephus was brilliant in his ability to make the roman dogs FEEL GOOD about it. They virtually worshipped him ------whilst in FACT---he revealed their stink

Josephus was also good to show how the jews had a civil war going on (since the Maccabee's) and were fighting with the Greeks which is why the Romans had to get involved. Remember the area was a high trade route.

I don't know do you think Virgin Mary was the same Mary who roasted her infant son in the temple. I don't.

You misread Josephus again------did you attain a high school diploma -----you are off by several centuries in your fantasy. What area was a "HIGH TRADE ROUTE"---and what has that got to do with Roman barbarity 2000 years ago and Greek barbarity 2500 years ago?

What did I misread. Josephus wrote in the first century, and Mary roasted her infant when the temple was all on fired and everyone was starving.

 

[irosie91]

you seem to imagine that the story came from your stinking ass. What do Phonecian kings have to do with the situation--------the people were not Phonecian. Mayans did lots of killing of people for ceremonial reasons too------but Abraham was not a MAYAN. Here is a test-----from what culture did Abraham emerge? AZTECS? A personal question----when you were a kid did you imagine that Mother Mary cooked
grits and gravy for baby jesus in the manger?. Did you ever hear of the historic place called MESOPOTAMIA by the ancient greeks?

Have you read Josephus, a mother named Mary cooked her infant to eat in the temple area, since the child was going to die anyway , may as well eat him.

Of course I read Josephus----WHILE HE WAS ENSLAVED IN ROME----he wrote a very careful and scholarly account of the
barbaric destruction of Jerusalem by Roman dogs. True to form the roman pigs inflicted starvation siege----they LOVED to see people ---especially children, die of starvation. ----It's a REICH (holy roman empire) thing. Josephus described the situation using very dramatic imagery----kinda like the imagery found in the Book of Ezekiel which is kinda reprised also in the NT book REVELATIONS. Josephus was brilliant in his ability to make the roman dogs FEEL GOOD about it. They virtually worshipped him ------whilst in FACT---he revealed their stink

Josephus was also good to show how the jews had a civil war going on (since the Maccabee's) and were fighting with the Greeks which is why the Romans had to get involved. Remember the area was a high trade route.

I don't know do you think Virgin Mary was the same Mary who roasted her infant son in the temple. I don't.

You misread Josephus again------did you attain a high school diploma -----you are off by several centuries in your fantasy. What area was a "HIGH TRADE ROUTE"---and what has that got to do with Roman barbarity 2000 years ago and Greek barbarity 2500 years ago?

What did I misread. Josephus wrote in the first century, and Mary roasted her infant when the temple was all on fired and everyone was starving.

right----starvation siege was just as happy an event for the vestal "virgins" as was watching lions eat men women and babies. Joseph wrote about the filth which is you. ---DURING THE ROMAN SIEGE------which in your befuddled mind ----you confuse with the ASSYRIAN SIEGE-------(greek/assyrian barbarians centuries earlier)------Interestingly enough----the event is recounted in the ----BIBLE-----(that book you call fake) and recent archaeological finds confirm the "Assyrian/greek" siege-------PAINSTAKINGLY PLANTED THERE (???)

remember-----Antiochus-----it's all a fake------so you claim. Even in recent times-----starvation siege has been a techinique beloved by your kith and kin--------remember biafran babies lying dried up and dead in the sand-------YOUR FAVE