Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Sixties Fan]

Justice needed for American victims of Palestinian terrorism

 

[P F Tinmore]

Part 3- Nadia Ben-Youssef: "A New Day? Organizing to Change US Policy on Israel and Palestine"

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Just to be clear, this response is in relationship to comment made in Posting #7604 by P F Tinmore. Its concerns the ability of the Occupying Power (State of Israel) to enter into treaty relationships with the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated, → as it effects the legitimacy of the Oslo Accords.

Paul has copied a passage from the ICRC 2002 Lesson Plan (#9) and Slide (#4) found on page 4-9 in this link, on the topic of Belligerent Occupation.

It should be noted that Slide #4 consists of three passages. The first and the third passages have reference citations from both the Hague Regulation IV (HRIV) and the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV).

There may be Arab Palestinians that follow this logic, but that was not the intent of by the Hague Regulation (HR) and the Geneva Convention (GCIV) Set.

Why do you say that?

Link?

(REFERENCE LOOKUP on SLIDE #4)

Hague Regulation (HR),

• Article: 43 ⇒ The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.
• Article: 46 ⇒ This Article deals with Family honour, private property, and religious convictions.​

Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV),

• Article: 8 ⇒ This Article deals with the limitation that a Protected Person may not renounce protections under the GCIV.
• Article: 13 ⇒ This Article secures protections against adverse distinction based, in particular, on race, nationality, religion or political opinion.
• Article: 27 ⇒ This Article deals with to respect for their persons, their honour, their family rights, their religious convictions, protections against rape, enforced prostitution, and indecent assault. It also stipulates protections against prejudice relating to their state of health, age and sex.
• Article: 33 ⇒ This Article deals with protections against a collective punishment for intimidation or of terrorism. Pillage is prohibited. Reprisals against protected persons.
• Article: 34 ⇒ The taking of hostages is prohibited.
• Article: 47 ⇒ Protected persons in occupied territory shall not be deprived of the benefits of the GCIV.
• Article: 64 ⇒ Penal Laws and Legislation​

As you can see, none of the references cited have anything at all to do with the issue of agreements or other arrangements between the occupying power and the authorities of the occupied territory. In regards to the question at hand, the excerpt is unsupported except by extrapolation.​

(COMMENT)

New Reference: Pertaining to the Question
Occupation and other forms of Administration of Foreign Territory (ICRC Meeting of Experts)
International Committee of the Red Cross © ICRC, March 2012 See Page 59

There is little question that the Occupying Power (Israel) is prohibited, under Article 7 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, from entangling the people of the territory occupied (the Palestinians) in a treaty (international agreement, arrangement or other obligation) with a third party state.

But there is nothing in either Treaty Law, the Hague Regulation, or the Geneva Convention, that prohibits the Occupying Power from entering into a treaty with the sole representative of the territory being occupied. In fact, most Peace Treaties of Major Conflicts (WWI - WWII etc). A treaty is non--binding if it is procured by the coercion of its representative through threats of force, or the use of force; as stipulated in Article 51 of Treaty Law.

P F Tinmore's assertion that the paramount concern is the prevention in the exploitation of the population and citizenry of the occupied territory. But at the conclusion of a conflict, there is always one side that is at a disadvantage to the other. So, in nearly every case, the victor gains some reparation and restitution for the cost and damages of a conflict. At the conclusion of WWI, Turkey had renounced all rights and title over the territories situated outside the frontiers Turkey.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

Oh, my. It would seem that the Belgian government has a bit of a problem with its welfare money gifted to a Death Cult being spent in celebration of islamic terrorists.

Belgium and PA officials to meet in response to PMW report - PMW Bulletins

Palestinian and Belgian officials to meet on Wednesday
following PMW exposure that
PA named Belgian-funded school after terrorist
which led Belgium to freeze funding of PA school construction

• Belgium froze aid for PA school construction following PMW's exposure of the PA's renaming of a school built with Belgian money after terrorist murderer Dalal Mughrabi

• Meeting between Belgian and PA officials is this Wednesday, Oct. 18, 2017, according to official PA daily
• PMW spoke with the Embassy of Belgium and urged that Belgium take this opportunity to create a more peace promoting environment in PA education. Belgium can use its leverage as donor to demand the PA change the names, not only of the Dalal Mughrabi School Belgium helped build, but also of the other 4 schools named after the same terrorist - and preferably all the 31 schools PMW has documented the PA has named after terrorists
• PA Ministry of Education expressed "great sorrow" over Belgium's freeze of its support to school construction

• PA ministry noted that the reason Belgium suspended its support was over the naming of the school after Dalal Mughrabi but did not distance itself from the name or its policy of honoring terrorists. The PA also did not mention anything about the other schools named after terrorists or any plans to rename them

 

[RoccoR]

Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Hollie, et al,

Boy I have to chuckle over this one.

Oh, my. It would seem that the Belgian government has a bit of a problem with its welfare money gifted to a Death Cult being spent in celebration of islamic terrorists.

Belgium and PA officials to meet in response to PMW report - PMW Bulletins

Palestinian and Belgian officials to meet on Wednesday
following PMW exposure that
PA named Belgian-funded school after terrorist
which led Belgium to freeze funding of PA school construction

• Belgium froze aid for PA school construction following PMW's exposure of the PA's renaming of a school built with Belgian money after terrorist murderer Dalal Mughrabi

• Meeting between Belgian and PA officials is this Wednesday, Oct. 18, 2017, according to official PA daily
• PMW spoke with the Embassy of Belgium and urged that Belgium take this opportunity to create a more peace promoting environment in PA education. Belgium can use its leverage as donor to demand the PA change the names, not only of the Dalal Mughrabi School Belgium helped build, but also of the other 4 schools named after the same terrorist - and preferably all the 31 schools PMW has documented the PA has named after terrorists
• PA Ministry of Education expressed "great sorrow" over Belgium's freeze of its support to school construction

• PA ministry noted that the reason Belgium suspended its support was over the naming of the school after Dalal Mughrabi but did not distance itself from the name or its policy of honoring terrorists. The PA also did not mention anything about the other schools named after terrorists or any plans to rename them

(COMMENT)

You know that among the Hostile Arab Palestinians, Dalal Mughrabi was a particularly nasty psychopath.

When you talk about state supported terrorist, it is on two levels.

• One level is when the government and its policies provide support to the cause of a Jihadist, Virulent Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, and Asymmetric Fighters.

• Another level is when specific NGOs provide funds and other financial assets or economic resources of persons who commit, or attempt to commit, terrorist acts or participate in or facilitate the commission of terrorist acts.

• Member of the general population present a form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists. The general population not only support a government that sponsors terrorism and viollence; but, they endorse forms of propaganda which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage:

√ threat to the peace,
√ breach of the peace,
√ act of aggression;​

I've had a number of people tell me that a vast majority of the Arab Palestinians do not support endorse terrorism; Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But the reality is very different.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

This Ongoing War: A Blog: 22-Oct-17: The mass-murdering fugitive savage sends her apologies

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Hollie, et al,

Boy I have to chuckle over this one.

Oh, my. It would seem that the Belgian government has a bit of a problem with its welfare money gifted to a Death Cult being spent in celebration of islamic terrorists.

Belgium and PA officials to meet in response to PMW report - PMW Bulletins

Palestinian and Belgian officials to meet on Wednesday
following PMW exposure that
PA named Belgian-funded school after terrorist
which led Belgium to freeze funding of PA school construction

• Belgium froze aid for PA school construction following PMW's exposure of the PA's renaming of a school built with Belgian money after terrorist murderer Dalal Mughrabi

• Meeting between Belgian and PA officials is this Wednesday, Oct. 18, 2017, according to official PA daily
• PMW spoke with the Embassy of Belgium and urged that Belgium take this opportunity to create a more peace promoting environment in PA education. Belgium can use its leverage as donor to demand the PA change the names, not only of the Dalal Mughrabi School Belgium helped build, but also of the other 4 schools named after the same terrorist - and preferably all the 31 schools PMW has documented the PA has named after terrorists
• PA Ministry of Education expressed "great sorrow" over Belgium's freeze of its support to school construction

• PA ministry noted that the reason Belgium suspended its support was over the naming of the school after Dalal Mughrabi but did not distance itself from the name or its policy of honoring terrorists. The PA also did not mention anything about the other schools named after terrorists or any plans to rename them

(COMMENT)

You know that among the Hostile Arab Palestinians, Dalal Mughrabi was a particularly nasty psychopath.

When you talk about state supported terrorist, it is on two levels.

• One level is when the government and its policies provide support to the cause of a Jihadist, Virulent Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, and Asymmetric Fighters.

• Another level is when specific NGOs provide funds and other financial assets or economic resources of persons who commit, or attempt to commit, terrorist acts or participate in or facilitate the commission of terrorist acts.

• Member of the general population present a form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists. The general population not only support a government that sponsors terrorism and viollence; but, they endorse forms of propaganda which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage:

√ threat to the peace,
√ breach of the peace,
√ act of aggression;​

I've had a number of people tell me that a vast majority of the Arab Palestinians do not support endorse terrorism; Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But the reality is very different.

Most Respectfully,
R

Wow, 8 terrorist cards.

 

[Art__Allm]

Arabs entered “palestine” during the British Mandate, called “palestine” from Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, N. Africa etc. Arafat was Egyptian.

But, they’re magically “palestinians’? Amazing!

Well, it is possible that some Arabs moved from Egypt to Palestine, but they did not have any intention to ethnically cleanse Palestine from their native Semites and create an exclusive state. They just assimilated with Palestinians and their descendants call themselves Palestinians.

If Zionists behaved like other migrants to Palestine, if they respected the native Semites and assimilated with them, instead of planning an ethnic cleansing, who would mind it?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Arabs entered “palestine” during the British Mandate, called “palestine” from Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, N. Africa etc. Arafat was Egyptian.

But, they’re magically “palestinians’? Amazing!

Well, it is possible that some Arabs moved from Egypt to Palestine, but they did not have any intention to ethnically cleanse Palestine from their native Semites and create an exclusive state. They just assimilated with Palestinians and their descendants call themselves Palestinians.

If Zionists behaved like other migrants to Palestine, if they respected the native Semites and assimilated with them, instead of planning an ethnic cleansing, who would mind it?

Thank you.

Colonial settlers are not immigrants.

 

[Shusha]

I guess the Arabs better hurry up and assimilate into the indigenous Jewish people then. By adopting their language, their religion, their culture and their system of values and by becoming a part of their soviety and under their government.

 

[Shusha]

Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Hollie, et al,

Boy I have to chuckle over this one.

Oh, my. It would seem that the Belgian government has a bit of a problem with its welfare money gifted to a Death Cult being spent in celebration of islamic terrorists.

Belgium and PA officials to meet in response to PMW report - PMW Bulletins

Palestinian and Belgian officials to meet on Wednesday
following PMW exposure that
PA named Belgian-funded school after terrorist
which led Belgium to freeze funding of PA school construction

• Belgium froze aid for PA school construction following PMW's exposure of the PA's renaming of a school built with Belgian money after terrorist murderer Dalal Mughrabi

• Meeting between Belgian and PA officials is this Wednesday, Oct. 18, 2017, according to official PA daily
• PMW spoke with the Embassy of Belgium and urged that Belgium take this opportunity to create a more peace promoting environment in PA education. Belgium can use its leverage as donor to demand the PA change the names, not only of the Dalal Mughrabi School Belgium helped build, but also of the other 4 schools named after the same terrorist - and preferably all the 31 schools PMW has documented the PA has named after terrorists
• PA Ministry of Education expressed "great sorrow" over Belgium's freeze of its support to school construction

• PA ministry noted that the reason Belgium suspended its support was over the naming of the school after Dalal Mughrabi but did not distance itself from the name or its policy of honoring terrorists. The PA also did not mention anything about the other schools named after terrorists or any plans to rename them

(COMMENT)

You know that among the Hostile Arab Palestinians, Dalal Mughrabi was a particularly nasty psychopath.

When you talk about state supported terrorist, it is on two levels.

• One level is when the government and its policies provide support to the cause of a Jihadist, Virulent Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, and Asymmetric Fighters.

• Another level is when specific NGOs provide funds and other financial assets or economic resources of persons who commit, or attempt to commit, terrorist acts or participate in or facilitate the commission of terrorist acts.

• Member of the general population present a form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists. The general population not only support a government that sponsors terrorism and viollence; but, they endorse forms of propaganda which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage:

√ threat to the peace,
√ breach of the peace,
√ act of aggression;​

I've had a number of people tell me that a vast majority of the Arab Palestinians do not support endorse terrorism; Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But the reality is very different.

Most Respectfully,
R

Wow, 8 terrorist cards.

Would you clarify why you continually post the comments about terrorist cards?

Are we not allowed to talk about terrorism? Is their no such thing as terrorism when conducted by Arabs in Israel? Is terrorism not supported by the Arab Palestinian people and government?

What exactly do you mean by this?

 

[RoccoR]

Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, Art__Allm, JoelT1, et al,

No matter what you label the parties concerned, it doesn't effect the reality of today's territorial control --- or --- the political framework of the Middle East. You can call them Martians if you want.

Arabs entered “palestine” during the British Mandate, called “palestine” from Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, N. Africa etc. Arafat was Egyptian.

But, they’re magically “palestinians’? Amazing!

Well, it is possible that some Arabs moved from Egypt to Palestine, but they did not have any intention to ethnically cleanse Palestine from their native Semites and create an exclusive state. They just assimilated with Palestinians and their descendants call themselves Palestinians.

If Zionists behaved like other migrants to Palestine, if they respected the native Semites and assimilated with them, instead of planning an ethnic cleansing, who would mind it?

Thank you.

Colonial settlers are not immigrants.

(COMMENT)

It really don't matter at then end of the day, if YOU call them "Colonial Settlers" or "Immigrants." It doesn't effect. Whatever they are, you have to address their true impact; NOT what you want of them.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

Arab Palestinians dealing with Zionism, and loving it:

A Growing Trend: Brave Muslim Zionists

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Hollie, et al,

Boy I have to chuckle over this one.

Oh, my. It would seem that the Belgian government has a bit of a problem with its welfare money gifted to a Death Cult being spent in celebration of islamic terrorists.

Belgium and PA officials to meet in response to PMW report - PMW Bulletins

Palestinian and Belgian officials to meet on Wednesday
following PMW exposure that
PA named Belgian-funded school after terrorist
which led Belgium to freeze funding of PA school construction

• Belgium froze aid for PA school construction following PMW's exposure of the PA's renaming of a school built with Belgian money after terrorist murderer Dalal Mughrabi

• Meeting between Belgian and PA officials is this Wednesday, Oct. 18, 2017, according to official PA daily
• PMW spoke with the Embassy of Belgium and urged that Belgium take this opportunity to create a more peace promoting environment in PA education. Belgium can use its leverage as donor to demand the PA change the names, not only of the Dalal Mughrabi School Belgium helped build, but also of the other 4 schools named after the same terrorist - and preferably all the 31 schools PMW has documented the PA has named after terrorists
• PA Ministry of Education expressed "great sorrow" over Belgium's freeze of its support to school construction

• PA ministry noted that the reason Belgium suspended its support was over the naming of the school after Dalal Mughrabi but did not distance itself from the name or its policy of honoring terrorists. The PA also did not mention anything about the other schools named after terrorists or any plans to rename them

(COMMENT)

You know that among the Hostile Arab Palestinians, Dalal Mughrabi was a particularly nasty psychopath.

When you talk about state supported terrorist, it is on two levels.

• One level is when the government and its policies provide support to the cause of a Jihadist, Virulent Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, and Asymmetric Fighters.

• Another level is when specific NGOs provide funds and other financial assets or economic resources of persons who commit, or attempt to commit, terrorist acts or participate in or facilitate the commission of terrorist acts.

• Member of the general population present a form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists. The general population not only support a government that sponsors terrorism and viollence; but, they endorse forms of propaganda which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage:

√ threat to the peace,
√ breach of the peace,
√ act of aggression;​

I've had a number of people tell me that a vast majority of the Arab Palestinians do not support endorse terrorism; Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But the reality is very different.

Most Respectfully,
R

Wow, 8 terrorist cards.

Would you clarify why you continually post the comments about terrorist cards?

Are we not allowed to talk about terrorism? Is their no such thing as terrorism when conducted by Arabs in Israel? Is terrorism not supported by the Arab Palestinian people and government?

What exactly do you mean by this?

Terrorism is an Israeli name calling campaign.

 

[Sixties Fan]

What a Muslim American Learned from Zionists

 

[Sixties Fan]

Cleaning the hate: The story of a 'Zionist Muslim'

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Hollie, et al,

Boy I have to chuckle over this one.

Oh, my. It would seem that the Belgian government has a bit of a problem with its welfare money gifted to a Death Cult being spent in celebration of islamic terrorists.

Belgium and PA officials to meet in response to PMW report - PMW Bulletins

Palestinian and Belgian officials to meet on Wednesday
following PMW exposure that
PA named Belgian-funded school after terrorist
which led Belgium to freeze funding of PA school construction

• Belgium froze aid for PA school construction following PMW's exposure of the PA's renaming of a school built with Belgian money after terrorist murderer Dalal Mughrabi

• Meeting between Belgian and PA officials is this Wednesday, Oct. 18, 2017, according to official PA daily
• PMW spoke with the Embassy of Belgium and urged that Belgium take this opportunity to create a more peace promoting environment in PA education. Belgium can use its leverage as donor to demand the PA change the names, not only of the Dalal Mughrabi School Belgium helped build, but also of the other 4 schools named after the same terrorist - and preferably all the 31 schools PMW has documented the PA has named after terrorists
• PA Ministry of Education expressed "great sorrow" over Belgium's freeze of its support to school construction

• PA ministry noted that the reason Belgium suspended its support was over the naming of the school after Dalal Mughrabi but did not distance itself from the name or its policy of honoring terrorists. The PA also did not mention anything about the other schools named after terrorists or any plans to rename them

(COMMENT)

You know that among the Hostile Arab Palestinians, Dalal Mughrabi was a particularly nasty psychopath.

When you talk about state supported terrorist, it is on two levels.

• One level is when the government and its policies provide support to the cause of a Jihadist, Virulent Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, and Asymmetric Fighters.

• Another level is when specific NGOs provide funds and other financial assets or economic resources of persons who commit, or attempt to commit, terrorist acts or participate in or facilitate the commission of terrorist acts.

• Member of the general population present a form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists. The general population not only support a government that sponsors terrorism and viollence; but, they endorse forms of propaganda which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage:

√ threat to the peace,
√ breach of the peace,
√ act of aggression;​

I've had a number of people tell me that a vast majority of the Arab Palestinians do not support endorse terrorism; Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But the reality is very different.

Most Respectfully,
R

Wow, 8 terrorist cards.

Would you clarify why you continually post the comments about terrorist cards?

Are we not allowed to talk about terrorism? Is their no such thing as terrorism when conducted by Arabs in Israel? Is terrorism not supported by the Arab Palestinian people and government?

What exactly do you mean by this?

Are we not allowed to talk about terrorism?

Sure, let's talk about Israeli terrorism, or do you hold a double standard?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Arabs entered “palestine” during the British Mandate, called “palestine” from Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, N. Africa etc. Arafat was Egyptian.

But, they’re magically “palestinians’? Amazing!

Well, it is possible that some Arabs moved from Egypt to Palestine, but they did not have any intention to ethnically cleanse Palestine from their native Semites and create an exclusive state. They just assimilated with Palestinians and their descendants call themselves Palestinians.

If Zionists behaved like other migrants to Palestine, if they respected the native Semites and assimilated with them, instead of planning an ethnic cleansing, who would mind it?

Semitic refers to languages.

The Native Indigenous people of Ancient Canaan, are the Jews.

Palestinians are Arabs, indigenous of Arabia.

They speak a semitic language called Arabic, which is similar to Hebrew and other semitic languages like Aramaic, but they were never the native people of the land, even if some of them continued to live in the Region called by the Romans after 135 CE, as Syria Palestinia , after the Arab Muslim invasion during the 7th Century.

Some Muslims and Arabs do mind, very much, that the Jews have achieved sovereignty over their own ancient homeland, in spite of the endless attacks on them perpetrated against them since 1920.
In spite of all the land they lost during those attacks, regardless of the fact that they had bought that land to live on, where Arabs did not live, nor wanted to live on.

Someday one can hope that you and others will afford the Jewish people the same rights you afford to every other people.

Or maybe you and others do not afford the same rights to many other people as well.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, Art__Allm, JoelT1, et al,

No matter what you label the parties concerned, it doesn't effect the reality of today's territorial control --- or --- the political framework of the Middle East. You can call them Martians if you want.

Arabs entered “palestine” during the British Mandate, called “palestine” from Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, N. Africa etc. Arafat was Egyptian.

But, they’re magically “palestinians’? Amazing!

Well, it is possible that some Arabs moved from Egypt to Palestine, but they did not have any intention to ethnically cleanse Palestine from their native Semites and create an exclusive state. They just assimilated with Palestinians and their descendants call themselves Palestinians.

If Zionists behaved like other migrants to Palestine, if they respected the native Semites and assimilated with them, instead of planning an ethnic cleansing, who would mind it?

Thank you.

Colonial settlers are not immigrants.

(COMMENT)

It really don't matter at then end of the day, if YOU call them "Colonial Settlers" or "Immigrants." It doesn't effect. Whatever they are, you have to address their true impact; NOT what you want of them.

Most Respectfully,
R

I know you can't tell the difference.

Immigrants move to a place to be a part of the fabric of that society.

Colonial settlers move to a place to take it over and pig the place for themselves.

That is no small difference.

 

[Shusha]

Terrorism is an Israeli name calling campaign.

Ah. So its only purpose is to demonize? Kinda like using terms like "foreign thieves", right?