Who are the Israelis?

[Wyatt earp]

Ilan Pappé: The Myth of Israel

There was never a time when Jews did not live in Israel/Palestine.
Before discussing indignity - one should first learn the definition, not just invent it from the top of the head.

The myth in this video is Illan Pappe's credentials as a historian.

When was there ever a time that Palestinians did not live in Palestine?

Who is a Palestine?


Give us your definition..


.

Would you call me a cook county guy?


Since that's where I was born in Illinois..


.

 

[rylah]

Ilan Pappé: The Myth of Israel

There was never a time when Jews did not live in Israel/Palestine.
Before discussing indignity - one should first learn the definition, not just invent it from the top of the head.

The myth in this video is Illan Pappe's credentials as a historian.

When was there ever a time that Palestinians did not live in Palestine?

Who is a Palestine?


Give us your definition..


.

C'mon, wrong thread.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Ilan Pappé: The Myth of Israel

There was never a time when Jews did not live in Israel/Palestine.
Before discussing indignity - one should first learn the definition, not just invent it from the top of the head.

The myth in this video is Illan Pappe's credentials as a historian.

When was there ever a time that Palestinians did not live in Palestine?

Who is a Palestine?


Give us your definition..


.

C'mon, wrong thread.

I am after him now.

 

[rylah]

Ilan Pappé: The Myth of Israel

There was never a time when Jews did not live in Israel/Palestine.
Before discussing indignity - one should first learn the definition, not just invent it from the top of the head.

The myth in this video is Illan Pappe's credentials as a historian.

When was there ever a time that Palestinians did not live in Palestine?

Who is a Palestine?


Give us your definition..


.

C'mon, wrong thread.

I am after him now.

Bless You, do it in a relevant thread.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ilan Pappé: The Myth of Israel

There was never a time when Jews did not live in Israel/Palestine.
Before discussing indignity - one should first learn the definition, not just invent it from the top of the head.

The myth in this video is Illan Pappe's credentials as a historian.

When was there ever a time that Palestinians did not live in Palestine?

Who is a Palestine?


Give us your definition..


.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

 

[rylah]

Ilan Pappé: The Myth of Israel

There was never a time when Jews did not live in Israel/Palestine.
Before discussing indignity - one should first learn the definition, not just invent it from the top of the head.

The myth in this video is Illan Pappe's credentials as a historian.

When was there ever a time that Palestinians did not live in Palestine?

Who is a Palestine?


Give us your definition..


.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Again this BS.
By that time Palestine was already designated as a Jewish country in international law.
The citizenship was of a Jewish country.

There's an intended thread for this in the sticky section.

 

[Mindful]

Is Tinmore ever going to "get" it?

 

[Mindful]

(Eretz-yisra'eli), also Hebrew: לירה א"י)) lira eretz-yisra'elit) was the currency of the British Mandate of Palestine from 1927 to May 14, 1948,

 

[rylah]

Is Tinmore ever going to "get" it?

He does get it, have no doubt about it.
Pathological lying is a mental disturbance.

 

[rylah]

November 30 - the day of forgotten Jewish refugees from middle east
We commemorate the aprox. 1 million Jewish refugees from Muslim countries who were expelled and fled persecution. Ancient communities that predate the Muslim conquest by more than a thousand years.

Spread this information, by sharing Your favorite stories and pictures of these magnificent communities, who have been totally forgotten and intentionally erased from public discourse.

(Remember the Refugees: An Iraqi Jew lands in a transit camp in Israel)

 

[rylah]

The Forgotten Refugees
The documentary explores the history, culture, and forced exodus of Middle Eastern and North African Jewish communities in the second half of the 20th century. Using extensive testimony of refugees from Egypt, Yemen, Libya, Iraq, and Morocco, the film weaves personal stories with dramatic archival footage of rescue missions, historic images of exodus and resettlement, and analyses by contemporary scholars to tell the story of how and why the Jewish population in the Middle East and North Africa declined from one million in 1945 to several thousand today.

The Forgotten Refugees - Wikipedia

 

[rylah]

"Algeria, where are your Jews?" — Hillel Neuer silences the U.N.

 

[rylah]

 

[rylah]

Jewish Refugee's Story at the U.N.

Regina Waldman, chair of JIMENA (Jews Indigenous to the Middle East and North Africa) addresses the U.N. Human Rights Council in Geneva on the issue of the nearly 1 million Jewish Refugees from the Arab countries.

 

[rylah]

The Jews driven out of homes in Arab lands

It is not surprising, given the sheer scale of the Holocaust and its sadism, that it has dominated contemporary discourse among Jews and others. But, while the extermination of European Jews has rightfully (though belatedly) generated a great deal of study and research, the removal of the Jews from the Arab world has been all but ignored.

This ignorance extends to policy-makers at the highest level. Some journalists and politicians I have spoken to have expressed surprise when I even mentioned that Jews had lived in sizeable numbers in the Middle East before Israel’s independence.

In fact, Jews have lived in what is now the Arab world for over 2,600 years, a millennium before Islam was founded, and centuries before the Arab conquest of many of those territories. In pre-Islamic times, whole Jewish kingdoms existed there, for example Himyar in Yemen.

Up to the 17th century, there were more Jews in the Arab and wider Muslim world than in Europe. In Baghdad, in 1939, 33 per cent of the population were Jews, making it at the time proportionately more Jewish than Warsaw (29 per cent) and New York (27 percent). Jews had lived in Baghdad since the destruction of the first temple in Jerusalem in 586 BCE. Today, only five Jews reportedly remain there.

Before they were driven out en masse, the Jews of the Arab world, like Jews in Europe, were often important figures in their societies. The first novel to be published in Iraq was written by a Jew. Iraq’s first finance minister was a Jew, Sir Sasson Heskel. The founder of Egypt’s first national theatre in Cairo in 1870 was a Jew, Jacob Sauna. Egypt’s first opera was written in 1919 by a Jew. Many of the classics of Egyptian cinema were directed by Jews and featured Jewish actors.

The pioneer of Tunisian cinema was also Jewish (he was one of the first in the world to film underwater sequences), as was Tunisia’s leading female singer.

The world bantamweight boxing champion was also a Tunisian Jew and so were many other leading boxers and swimmers — including Alfred Nakache, the Algerian swimming champion who later survived Auschwitz. (Hundreds of Jews died in Nazi camps set up in Libya and some other Libyan Jews were deported to Bergen-Belsen.)

Even the less prominent Jews were often interwoven into the wider societies. As a Moroccan proverb put it: “A market without Jews is like bread without salt.” (In the west, there are many prominent Jews with roots in the Arab world. The American comedian Jerry Seinfeld has a Syrian Jewish mother; Bernard Henri-Levy’s parents were Algerian Jews, and so on.)

In Israel, 160,000 Arabs stayed after the country’s rebirth in 1948 and took Israeli citizenship. (That number is now 1.7 million, representing over 20 per cent of Israel’s population, and Israeli Arabs serve in posts ranging from Supreme Court justices to Israeli diplomats). And when Israel declared independence following the UN partition plan, many of the Palestinian Arabs who left were not pushed out, but departed on the orders of their own leadership so as to stay out of the way when several Arab armies marched in with the aim of wiping out the Jews.

In sharp contrast, the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Jews from the Arab world in the mid-20th century was systematic, absolute and unprovoked.

There were 38,000 Jews in western Libya before 1945. Now there are none; 47 synagogues are gone and a highway runs through Libya’s main Jewish cemetery. In Algeria, there were 140,000 Jews. Now there are none. In Iraq, there were about 150,000 Jews. Five remain. There were 80,000 Jews in Egypt. Almost all are gone.

Many Jewish refugees from the Arab world still suffer the trauma of armed men arriving at their door, and being marched away without explanation and without being able to take their possessions.

Unlike Palestinian refugees who left in smaller numbers (between 1948 and 1951, according to UN statistics, 711,000 Palestinian Arabs left what became Israel, although many historians put the numbers at fewer than this) the 856,000 Jews who were made refugees from Arab countries have never received any proper recognition or international financial help. Instead, there is wilful ignorance. So, for example, in Cairo today, the Swiss, German, Canadian, Dutch, South Korean and Pakistani embassies all occupy the stolen homes of wealthy, expelled Jews. Similar situations exist in some other Arab capitals.

https://www.thejc.com/culture/features/the-jews-driven-out-of-homes-in-arab-lands-1.448713

 

[rylah]

I attended Cairo University with Yasser Arafat - Elie's Story

Elie Nounou was born in Cairo, Egypt in 1930. However, in the 1930’s and 40’s, with anti-Jewish sentiment growing, life for Jews living in Egypt was becoming progressively more difficult. With the reestablishment of Israel in 1948, relations between Arabs and Jews deteriorated even more. In 1956, anti-Jewish violence in Egypt further intensified once Gamal Nasser seized power. He began a systematic campaign of oppression against the nations nearly 80,000 Jewish residents. In 1958, Elie concluded it was time to flee the country.

 

[theliq]

"I'm Gina Waldaman - and I WAS a refugee"

Gina Waldman was born and raised in Tripoli, Libya and lived as second class citizen, or “Dhimmi”.
She faced great challenges growing up in Libya. In 1967, Gina and her family were forced to flee escalating violence. Gina’s family fled Libya and relocated to Italy. Despite being oppressed, faced with the threat of death, and being brutally forced to flee her home country, Gina chose to never view herself as a victim. She eventually immigrated to the United States, and is the President and Co-founder of Jews Indigenous to the Middle East and North Africa (JIMENA) http://jimena.org. Gina remains committed to speaking out on behalf of the “forgotten refugees”.

How could you as you never had any to begin with BUT YOU HAD AND HAVE GUILT

The Jews of Libya were not guilty of anything to deserve expulsion

Most fled to Israel and unlike the Arab refugees, moved very quickly on with their lives,in whatever new destination they arrived. They didn't demand special privileged refugee statuses, not even asked for a compensation.
Instead built the most vibrant society, and arguably the leading country in the whole region.

Dignity is exactly what's behind the human ability to move forward. And there's a case to be made that these people have demonstrated that ability more than any other minority group in the middle east that I know of.

To be an Israeli means having the opportunity to be a part of a nation who's innate talent was always a creative will to love life and move on.

They have done exceptionally well,on Palestinian Land with Billions of $ worth of help over the years Ry but a remarkable effort,as I have seen with my own eyes...steve

The help You're talking about wasn't provided until Jews started helping themselves.
You find another nation in the history of the world that invested in the land as much as Jews.
No other nation has reached the same level of development of the land as the Jews.

This land simply never gave of itself fully to another nation, it was always kept for her true children.
THIS is what You saw.

This is not true Ryl from the Roman era until the end of the Ottoman era,for many understandable reasons you deserted this Land,it was very good fortune that your cousins the Palestinians were able to settle and advance this Land,living in harmony with the few remaining Jews...This is something you never speak of because of your atrouchious sic behaviour towards the Palestinian people,this you did by dehumanizing the Palestinians,this in your minds allowed you to Murder and Maim and Disposess the Palestinians as you as a nation got stronger and stronger,which sadly continues today...of all the people in the world the Palestinians never deserved such treatment,annd it saddens me that throughout history Jews have been hunted,hated and demonized and savagely murdered and almost eliminated NOT BY PALESTINIANS but by everyone else,YET YOU HAVE AND ARE DOING EXACTLY THE SAME TO THE PALESTINIANS THAT WAS DONE TO YOU,this is the really sick irony of todays situation,you could change things in a heartbeat,you have the resources but lack the mentality...You have been ungrateful and ungrasious sic...but can't see it,steve

 

[theliq]

The Jews driven out of homes in Arab lands

It is not surprising, given the sheer scale of the Holocaust and its sadism, that it has dominated contemporary discourse among Jews and others. But, while the extermination of European Jews has rightfully (though belatedly) generated a great deal of study and research, the removal of the Jews from the Arab world has been all but ignored.

This ignorance extends to policy-makers at the highest level. Some journalists and politicians I have spoken to have expressed surprise when I even mentioned that Jews had lived in sizeable numbers in the Middle East before Israel’s independence.

In fact, Jews have lived in what is now the Arab world for over 2,600 years, a millennium before Islam was founded, and centuries before the Arab conquest of many of those territories. In pre-Islamic times, whole Jewish kingdoms existed there, for example Himyar in Yemen.

Up to the 17th century, there were more Jews in the Arab and wider Muslim world than in Europe. In Baghdad, in 1939, 33 per cent of the population were Jews, making it at the time proportionately more Jewish than Warsaw (29 per cent) and New York (27 percent). Jews had lived in Baghdad since the destruction of the first temple in Jerusalem in 586 BCE. Today, only five Jews reportedly remain there.

Before they were driven out en masse, the Jews of the Arab world, like Jews in Europe, were often important figures in their societies. The first novel to be published in Iraq was written by a Jew. Iraq’s first finance minister was a Jew, Sir Sasson Heskel. The founder of Egypt’s first national theatre in Cairo in 1870 was a Jew, Jacob Sauna. Egypt’s first opera was written in 1919 by a Jew. Many of the classics of Egyptian cinema were directed by Jews and featured Jewish actors.

The pioneer of Tunisian cinema was also Jewish (he was one of the first in the world to film underwater sequences), as was Tunisia’s leading female singer.

The world bantamweight boxing champion was also a Tunisian Jew and so were many other leading boxers and swimmers — including Alfred Nakache, the Algerian swimming champion who later survived Auschwitz. (Hundreds of Jews died in Nazi camps set up in Libya and some other Libyan Jews were deported to Bergen-Belsen.)

Even the less prominent Jews were often interwoven into the wider societies. As a Moroccan proverb put it: “A market without Jews is like bread without salt.” (In the west, there are many prominent Jews with roots in the Arab world. The American comedian Jerry Seinfeld has a Syrian Jewish mother; Bernard Henri-Levy’s parents were Algerian Jews, and so on.)

In Israel, 160,000 Arabs stayed after the country’s rebirth in 1948 and took Israeli citizenship. (That number is now 1.7 million, representing over 20 per cent of Israel’s population, and Israeli Arabs serve in posts ranging from Supreme Court justices to Israeli diplomats). And when Israel declared independence following the UN partition plan, many of the Palestinian Arabs who left were not pushed out, but departed on the orders of their own leadership so as to stay out of the way when several Arab armies marched in with the aim of wiping out the Jews.

In sharp contrast, the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Jews from the Arab world in the mid-20th century was systematic, absolute and unprovoked.

There were 38,000 Jews in western Libya before 1945. Now there are none; 47 synagogues are gone and a highway runs through Libya’s main Jewish cemetery. In Algeria, there were 140,000 Jews. Now there are none. In Iraq, there were about 150,000 Jews. Five remain. There were 80,000 Jews in Egypt. Almost all are gone.

Many Jewish refugees from the Arab world still suffer the trauma of armed men arriving at their door, and being marched away without explanation and without being able to take their possessions.

Unlike Palestinian refugees who left in smaller numbers (between 1948 and 1951, according to UN statistics, 711,000 Palestinian Arabs left what became Israel, although many historians put the numbers at fewer than this) the 856,000 Jews who were made refugees from Arab countries have never received any proper recognition or international financial help. Instead, there is wilful ignorance. So, for example, in Cairo today, the Swiss, German, Canadian, Dutch, South Korean and Pakistani embassies all occupy the stolen homes of wealthy, expelled Jews. Similar situations exist in some other Arab capitals.

https://www.thejc.com/culture/features/the-jews-driven-out-of-homes-in-arab-lands-1.448713

Ryl,why linger continually in Arab Lands,Why don't you be really honest and say ALL LANDS,AND CHRISTIAN EUROPE BEING BY FAR THE WORST,AND WHO DECIMATED YOU THE WORST AND WHO TRIED TO EXTERMINATED YOU AS A PEOPLE...you persist wrongly on the same theme about the Arabs...WHEN THEY ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT GAVE YOU SAVE HAVEN WHEN YOU NEEDED IT MOST,you dishonesty knows NO BOUNDS,Arabs started to expel Jews(NOT MURDER THEM) in response to the treatment of the Palestinians...YOUR ARAB DIATRIBE IS SO SICK

Why persue this line of attack when in essence Zionists created the problem in the first place moreover all these banished Jews in these Arab Countries had lived there peacefully for Generations(and some still do)...NO,YOU HAVE TO BE BROUGHT TO HEEL,BECAUSE YOUR SUMMATION AS YOU PUT IT IS INCORRECT...sad thing is Ryl ...You know this,which makes your posts remarkably stupid...You realise that you are trying to imbue others with you corrupt negativity towards Arabs and it's wrong of you...steve,you never mention the Mercenary Death Squads employed by Israel to Murder innocent Palestinians...I know,I have met them...Just cut the Crap,move forward positively towards Peace,,,that is where your energy should be placed

What you ommitted to tell everyone,is that the majority of Jews left these Arab Countries of their own velishion sic ENCOURAGED BY THE ZIONIST LEADERS.TO MOVE TO THE NEW ISRAEL...IN PALESTINE,THAT IS THE REAL TRUTH OF THE MATTER,,,,YOU ARE JUST A BIAS LIAR,AND NOT A VERY GOOD ONE AT THAT...IT IS CALLED PROPAGANDA

 

[Hollie]

"I'm Gina Waldaman - and I WAS a refugee"

Gina Waldman was born and raised in Tripoli, Libya and lived as second class citizen, or “Dhimmi”.
She faced great challenges growing up in Libya. In 1967, Gina and her family were forced to flee escalating violence. Gina’s family fled Libya and relocated to Italy. Despite being oppressed, faced with the threat of death, and being brutally forced to flee her home country, Gina chose to never view herself as a victim. She eventually immigrated to the United States, and is the President and Co-founder of Jews Indigenous to the Middle East and North Africa (JIMENA) http://jimena.org. Gina remains committed to speaking out on behalf of the “forgotten refugees”.

How could you as you never had any to begin with BUT YOU HAD AND HAVE GUILT

The Jews of Libya were not guilty of anything to deserve expulsion

Most fled to Israel and unlike the Arab refugees, moved very quickly on with their lives,in whatever new destination they arrived. They didn't demand special privileged refugee statuses, not even asked for a compensation.
Instead built the most vibrant society, and arguably the leading country in the whole region.

Dignity is exactly what's behind the human ability to move forward. And there's a case to be made that these people have demonstrated that ability more than any other minority group in the middle east that I know of.

To be an Israeli means having the opportunity to be a part of a nation who's innate talent was always a creative will to love life and move on.

They have done exceptionally well,on Palestinian Land with Billions of $ worth of help over the years Ry but a remarkable effort,as I have seen with my own eyes...steve

The help You're talking about wasn't provided until Jews started helping themselves.
You find another nation in the history of the world that invested in the land as much as Jews.
No other nation has reached the same level of development of the land as the Jews.

This land simply never gave of itself fully to another nation, it was always kept for her true children.
THIS is what You saw.

This is not true Ryl from the Roman era until the end of the Ottoman era,for many understandable reasons you deserted this Land,it was very good fortune that your cousins the Palestinians were able to settle and advance this Land,living in harmony with the few remaining Jews...This is something you never speak of because of your atrouchious sic behaviour towards the Palestinian people,this you did by dehumanizing the Palestinians,this in your minds allowed you to Murder and Maim and Disposess the Palestinians as you as a nation got stronger and stronger,which sadly continues today...of all the people in the world the Palestinians never deserved such treatment,annd it saddens me that throughout history Jews have been hunted,hated and demonized and savagely murdered and almost eliminated NOT BY PALESTINIANS but by everyone else,YET YOU HAVE AND ARE DOING EXACTLY THE SAME TO THE PALESTINIANS THAT WAS DONE TO YOU,this is the really sick irony of todays situation,you could change things in a heartbeat,you have the resources but lack the mentality...You have been ungrateful and ungrasious sic...but can't see it,steve

By Arabs-Moslems “living in harmony with the few remaining Jews” you’re suggesting that the Jewish dhimmis (those not forced to flee the Islamic persecution), were living “in harmony” with the Islamist oppressor?

Do you realize that your use of the adverb “sic” is utterly incorrect?

 

[theliq]

How could you as you never had any to begin with BUT YOU HAD AND HAVE GUILT

The Jews of Libya were not guilty of anything to deserve expulsion

Most fled to Israel and unlike the Arab refugees, moved very quickly on with their lives,in whatever new destination they arrived. They didn't demand special privileged refugee statuses, not even asked for a compensation.
Instead built the most vibrant society, and arguably the leading country in the whole region.

Dignity is exactly what's behind the human ability to move forward. And there's a case to be made that these people have demonstrated that ability more than any other minority group in the middle east that I know of.

To be an Israeli means having the opportunity to be a part of a nation who's innate talent was always a creative will to love life and move on.

They have done exceptionally well,on Palestinian Land with Billions of $ worth of help over the years Ry but a remarkable effort,as I have seen with my own eyes...steve

The help You're talking about wasn't provided until Jews started helping themselves.
You find another nation in the history of the world that invested in the land as much as Jews.
No other nation has reached the same level of development of the land as the Jews.

This land simply never gave of itself fully to another nation, it was always kept for her true children.
THIS is what You saw.

This is not true Ryl from the Roman era until the end of the Ottoman era,for many understandable reasons you deserted this Land,it was very good fortune that your cousins the Palestinians were able to settle and advance this Land,living in harmony with the few remaining Jews...This is something you never speak of because of your atrouchious sic behaviour towards the Palestinian people,this you did by dehumanizing the Palestinians,this in your minds allowed you to Murder and Maim and Disposess the Palestinians as you as a nation got stronger and stronger,which sadly continues today...of all the people in the world the Palestinians never deserved such treatment,annd it saddens me that throughout history Jews have been hunted,hated and demonized and savagely murdered and almost eliminated NOT BY PALESTINIANS but by everyone else,YET YOU HAVE AND ARE DOING EXACTLY THE SAME TO THE PALESTINIANS THAT WAS DONE TO YOU,this is the really sick irony of todays situation,you could change things in a heartbeat,you have the resources but lack the mentality...You have been ungrateful and ungrasious sic...but can't see it,steve

By Arabs-Moslems “living in harmony with the few remaining Jews” you’re suggesting that the Jewish dhimmis (those not forced to flee the Islamic persecution), were living “in harmony” with the Islamist oppressor?

Do you realize that your use of the adverb “sic” is utterly incorrect?

NOW YOU ARE BEING RIDICULOUS, YOU WERE HAVING YOUR REAL PROBLEMS IN CHRISTIAN EUROPE

SIC=SPELLING INCORRECT