Whites Swim in Racial Preference

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Whites Swim in Racial Preference

Tim Wise
AlterNet
February 20, 2003

Ask a fish what water is and you'll get no answer. Even if fish were capable of speech, they would likely have no explanation for the element they swim in every minute of every day of their lives. Water simply is. Fish take it for granted.

So too with this thing we hear so much about, "racial preference." While many whites seem to think the notion originated with affirmative action programs, intended to expand opportunities for historically marginalized people of color, racial preference has actually had a long and very white history.

Affirmative action for whites was embodied in the abolition of European indentured servitude, which left black (and occasionally indigenous) slaves as the only unfree labor in the colonies that would become the U.S.

Affirmative action for whites was the essence of the 1790 Naturalization Act, which allowed virtually any European immigrant to become a full citizen, even while blacks, Asians and American Indians could not.

Affirmative action for whites was the guiding principle of segregation, Asian exclusion laws, and the theft of half of Mexico for the fulfillment of Manifest Destiny.

In recent history, affirmative action for whites motivated racially restrictive housing policies that helped 15 million white families procure homes with FHA loans from the 1930s to the '60s, while people of color were mostly excluded from the same programs.

In other words, it is hardly an exaggeration to say that white America is the biggest collective recipient of racial preference in the history of the cosmos. It has skewed our laws, shaped our public policy and helped create the glaring inequalities with which we still live.

White families, on average, have a net worth that is 11 times the net worth of black families, according to a recent study; and this gap remains substantial even when only comparing families of like size, composition, education and income status.

A full-time black male worker in 2003 makes less in real dollar terms than similar white men were earning in 1967. Such realities are not merely indicative of the disadvantages faced by blacks, but indeed are evidence of the preferences afforded whites -- a demarcation of privilege that is the necessary flipside of discrimination.

Indeed, the value of preferences to whites over the years is so enormous that the current baby-boomer generation of whites is currently in the process of inheriting between $7-10 trillion in assets from their parents and grandparents -- property handed down by those who were able to accumulate assets at a time when people of color by and large could not. To place this in the proper perspective, we should note that this amount of money is more than all the outstanding mortgage debt, all the credit card debt, all the savings account assets, all the money in IRAs and 401k retirement plans, all the annual profits for U.S. manufacturers, and our entire merchandise trade deficit combined.

Yet few whites have ever thought of our position as resulting from racial preferences. Indeed, we pride ourselves on our hard work and ambition, as if somehow we invented the concepts.

As if we have worked harder than the folks who were forced to pick cotton and build levies for free; harder than the Latino immigrants who spend 10 hours a day in fields picking strawberries or tomatoes; harder than the (mostly) women of color who clean hotel rooms or change bedpans in hospitals, or the (mostly) men of color who collect our garbage.

We strike the pose of self-sufficiency while ignoring the advantages we have been afforded in every realm of activity: housing, education, employment, criminal justice, politics, banking and business. We ignore the fact that at almost every turn, our hard work has been met with access to an opportunity structure denied to millions of others. Privilege, to us, is like water to the fish: invisible precisely because we cannot imagine life without it.

It is that context that best explains the duplicity of the President's recent criticisms of affirmative action at the University of Michigan. President Bush, himself a lifelong recipient of affirmative action -- the kind set aside for the mediocre rich -- recently proclaimed that the school's policies were examples of unfair racial preference. Yet in doing so he not only showed a profound ignorance of the Michigan policy, but made clear the inability of yet another white person to grasp the magnitude of white privilege still in operation.

The President attacked Michigan's policy of awarding 20 points (on a 150-point evaluation scale) to undergraduate applicants who are members of underrepresented minorities (which at U of M means blacks, Latinos and American Indians). To many whites such a "preference" is blatantly discriminatory.

Bush failed to mention that greater numbers of points are awarded for other things that amount to preferences for whites to the exclusion of people of color.

For example, Michigan awards 20 points to any student from a low-income background, regardless of race. Since these points cannot be combined with those for minority status (in other words poor blacks don't get 40 points), in effect this is a preference for poor whites.

Then Michigan awards 16 points to students who hail from the Upper Peninsula of the state: a rural, largely isolated, and almost completely white area.

Of course both preferences are fair, based as they are on the recognition that economic status and even geography (as with race) can have a profound effect on the quality of K-12 schooling that one receives, and that no one should be punished for things that are beyond their control. But note that such preferences -- though disproportionately awarded to whites -- remain uncriticized, while preferences for people of color become the target for reactionary anger. Once again, white preference remains hidden because it is more subtle, more ingrained, and isn't called white preference, even if that's the effect.

But that's not all. Ten points are awarded to students who attended top-notch high schools, and another eight points are given to students who took an especially demanding AP and honors curriculum.

As with points for those from the Upper Peninsula, these preferences may be race-neutral in theory, but in practice they are anything but. Because of intense racial isolation (and Michigan's schools are the most segregated in America for blacks, according to research by the Harvard Civil Rights Project), students of color will rarely attend the "best" schools, and on average, schools serving mostly black and Latino students offer only a third as many AP and honors courses as schools serving mostly whites.

So even truly talented students of color will be unable to access those extra points simply because of where they live, their economic status and ultimately their race, which is intertwined with both.

Four more points are awarded to students who have a parent who attended the U of M: a kind of affirmative action with which the President is intimately familiar, and which almost exclusively goes to whites. Ironically, while alumni preference could work toward the interest of diversity if combined with aggressive race-based affirmative action (by creating a larger number of black and brown alums), the rollback of the latter, combined with the almost guaranteed retention of the former, will only further perpetuate white preference.

So the U of M offers 20 "extra" points to the typical black, Latino or indigenous applicant, while offering various combinations worth up to 58 extra points for students who will almost all be white. But while the first of these are seen as examples of racial preferences, the second are not, hidden as they are behind the structure of social inequities that limit where people live, where they go to school, and the kinds of opportunities they have been afforded. White preferences, the result of the normal workings of a racist society, can remain out of sight and out of mind, while the power of the state is turned against the paltry preferences meant to offset them.

Very telling is the oft-heard comment by whites, "If I had only been black I would have gotten into my first-choice college."

Such a statement not only ignores the fact that whites are more likely than members of any other group -- even with affirmative action in place -- to get into their first-choice school, but it also presumes, as anti-racist activist Paul Marcus explains, "that if these whites were black, everything else about their life would have remained the same." In other words, that it would have made no negative difference as to where they went to school, what their family income was, or anything else.

The ability to believe that being black would have made no difference (other than a beneficial one when it came time for college), and that being white has made no positive difference, is rooted in privilege itself: the privilege that allows one to not have to think about race on a daily basis; to not have one's intelligence questioned by best-selling books; to not have to worry about being viewed as a "out of place" when driving, shopping, buying a home, or for that matter, attending the University of Michigan.

So long as those privileges remain firmly in place and the preferential treatment that flows from those privileges continues to work to the benefit of whites, all talk of ending affirmative action is not only premature but a slap in the face to those who have fought, and died, for equal opportunity.
 
Whites Swim in Racial Preference

Tim Wise
AlterNet
February 20, 2003

Ask a fish what water is and you'll get no answer. Even if fish were capable of speech, they would likely have no explanation for the element they swim in every minute of every day of their lives. Water simply is. Fish take it for granted.

So too with this thing we hear so much about, "racial preference." While many whites seem to think the notion originated with affirmative action programs, intended to expand opportunities for historically marginalized people of color, racial preference has actually had a long and very white history.

Affirmative action for whites was embodied in the abolition of European indentured servitude, which left black (and occasionally indigenous) slaves as the only unfree labor in the colonies that would become the U.S.

Affirmative action for whites was the essence of the 1790 Naturalization Act, which allowed virtually any European immigrant to become a full citizen, even while blacks, Asians and American Indians could not.

Affirmative action for whites was the guiding principle of segregation, Asian exclusion laws, and the theft of half of Mexico for the fulfillment of Manifest Destiny.

In recent history, affirmative action for whites motivated racially restrictive housing policies that helped 15 million white families procure homes with FHA loans from the 1930s to the '60s, while people of color were mostly excluded from the same programs.

In other words, it is hardly an exaggeration to say that white America is the biggest collective recipient of racial preference in the history of the cosmos. It has skewed our laws, shaped our public policy and helped create the glaring inequalities with which we still live.

White families, on average, have a net worth that is 11 times the net worth of black families, according to a recent study; and this gap remains substantial even when only comparing families of like size, composition, education and income status.

A full-time black male worker in 2003 makes less in real dollar terms than similar white men were earning in 1967. Such realities are not merely indicative of the disadvantages faced by blacks, but indeed are evidence of the preferences afforded whites -- a demarcation of privilege that is the necessary flipside of discrimination.

Indeed, the value of preferences to whites over the years is so enormous that the current baby-boomer generation of whites is currently in the process of inheriting between $7-10 trillion in assets from their parents and grandparents -- property handed down by those who were able to accumulate assets at a time when people of color by and large could not. To place this in the proper perspective, we should note that this amount of money is more than all the outstanding mortgage debt, all the credit card debt, all the savings account assets, all the money in IRAs and 401k retirement plans, all the annual profits for U.S. manufacturers, and our entire merchandise trade deficit combined.

Yet few whites have ever thought of our position as resulting from racial preferences. Indeed, we pride ourselves on our hard work and ambition, as if somehow we invented the concepts.

As if we have worked harder than the folks who were forced to pick cotton and build levies for free; harder than the Latino immigrants who spend 10 hours a day in fields picking strawberries or tomatoes; harder than the (mostly) women of color who clean hotel rooms or change bedpans in hospitals, or the (mostly) men of color who collect our garbage.

We strike the pose of self-sufficiency while ignoring the advantages we have been afforded in every realm of activity: housing, education, employment, criminal justice, politics, banking and business. We ignore the fact that at almost every turn, our hard work has been met with access to an opportunity structure denied to millions of others. Privilege, to us, is like water to the fish: invisible precisely because we cannot imagine life without it.

It is that context that best explains the duplicity of the President's recent criticisms of affirmative action at the University of Michigan. President Bush, himself a lifelong recipient of affirmative action -- the kind set aside for the mediocre rich -- recently proclaimed that the school's policies were examples of unfair racial preference. Yet in doing so he not only showed a profound ignorance of the Michigan policy, but made clear the inability of yet another white person to grasp the magnitude of white privilege still in operation.

The President attacked Michigan's policy of awarding 20 points (on a 150-point evaluation scale) to undergraduate applicants who are members of underrepresented minorities (which at U of M means blacks, Latinos and American Indians). To many whites such a "preference" is blatantly discriminatory.

Bush failed to mention that greater numbers of points are awarded for other things that amount to preferences for whites to the exclusion of people of color.

For example, Michigan awards 20 points to any student from a low-income background, regardless of race. Since these points cannot be combined with those for minority status (in other words poor blacks don't get 40 points), in effect this is a preference for poor whites.

Then Michigan awards 16 points to students who hail from the Upper Peninsula of the state: a rural, largely isolated, and almost completely white area.

Of course both preferences are fair, based as they are on the recognition that economic status and even geography (as with race) can have a profound effect on the quality of K-12 schooling that one receives, and that no one should be punished for things that are beyond their control. But note that such preferences -- though disproportionately awarded to whites -- remain uncriticized, while preferences for people of color become the target for reactionary anger. Once again, white preference remains hidden because it is more subtle, more ingrained, and isn't called white preference, even if that's the effect.

But that's not all. Ten points are awarded to students who attended top-notch high schools, and another eight points are given to students who took an especially demanding AP and honors curriculum.

As with points for those from the Upper Peninsula, these preferences may be race-neutral in theory, but in practice they are anything but. Because of intense racial isolation (and Michigan's schools are the most segregated in America for blacks, according to research by the Harvard Civil Rights Project), students of color will rarely attend the "best" schools, and on average, schools serving mostly black and Latino students offer only a third as many AP and honors courses as schools serving mostly whites.

So even truly talented students of color will be unable to access those extra points simply because of where they live, their economic status and ultimately their race, which is intertwined with both.

Four more points are awarded to students who have a parent who attended the U of M: a kind of affirmative action with which the President is intimately familiar, and which almost exclusively goes to whites. Ironically, while alumni preference could work toward the interest of diversity if combined with aggressive race-based affirmative action (by creating a larger number of black and brown alums), the rollback of the latter, combined with the almost guaranteed retention of the former, will only further perpetuate white preference.

So the U of M offers 20 "extra" points to the typical black, Latino or indigenous applicant, while offering various combinations worth up to 58 extra points for students who will almost all be white. But while the first of these are seen as examples of racial preferences, the second are not, hidden as they are behind the structure of social inequities that limit where people live, where they go to school, and the kinds of opportunities they have been afforded. White preferences, the result of the normal workings of a racist society, can remain out of sight and out of mind, while the power of the state is turned against the paltry preferences meant to offset them.

Very telling is the oft-heard comment by whites, "If I had only been black I would have gotten into my first-choice college."

Such a statement not only ignores the fact that whites are more likely than members of any other group -- even with affirmative action in place -- to get into their first-choice school, but it also presumes, as anti-racist activist Paul Marcus explains, "that if these whites were black, everything else about their life would have remained the same." In other words, that it would have made no negative difference as to where they went to school, what their family income was, or anything else.

The ability to believe that being black would have made no difference (other than a beneficial one when it came time for college), and that being white has made no positive difference, is rooted in privilege itself: the privilege that allows one to not have to think about race on a daily basis; to not have one's intelligence questioned by best-selling books; to not have to worry about being viewed as a "out of place" when driving, shopping, buying a home, or for that matter, attending the University of Michigan.

So long as those privileges remain firmly in place and the preferential treatment that flows from those privileges continues to work to the benefit of whites, all talk of ending affirmative action is not only premature but a slap in the face to those who have fought, and died, for equal opportunity.

Hang on to that poor me victim mentality--it will get you far.
Ever get something you wanted by bitching that someone else already had it ?
 
Obama has just proven what an African American can accomplish if you try hard enough, right ?
 
Hang on to that poor me victim mentality--it will get you far.
Ever get something you wanted by bitching that someone else already had it ?

The whites who complain about affirmative action are doing exactly what you just described.
 
Just another day of "I Hate America" posts. Reminds me of Michele Obamalama
 
Hmmm, this seems to contradict the prejudicial remark against 'white folks':

Most blacks say MLK's vision fulfilled, poll finds - CNN.com

Most blacks say MLK's vision fulfilled, poll finds


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- More than two-thirds of African-Americans believe Martin Luther King Jr.'s vision for race relations has been fulfilled, a CNN poll found -- a figure up sharply from a survey in early 2008.

The CNN-Opinion Research Corp. survey was released Monday, a federal holiday honoring the slain civil rights leader and a day before Barack Obama is to be sworn in as the first black U.S. president.

The poll found 69 percent of blacks said King's vision has been fulfilled in the more than 45 years since his 1963 "I have a dream" speech -- roughly double the 34 percent who agreed with that assessment in a similar poll taken last March.

But whites remain less optimistic, the survey found.

"Whites don't feel the same way -- a majority of them say that the country has not yet fulfilled King's vision," CNN polling director Keating Holland said. However, the number of whites saying the dream has been fulfilled has also gone up since March, from 35 percent to 46 percent.

In the 1963 speech, delivered to a civil rights rally on the Mall in Washington, King said: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

...
 
If you want to post in this thread please troll in it Willow, to acknowledge the wrongs and contradictions in the US is not being anti-American.



I have a different view of America than you and michele do. If that makes me a troll bimbo so be it. I'm a troll.
 
Whites Swim in Racial Preference

Tim Wise
AlterNet
February 20, 2003

Ask a fish what water is and you'll get no answer. Even if fish were capable of speech, they would likely have no explanation for the element they swim in every minute of every day of their lives. Water simply is. Fish take it for granted.

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So long as those privileges remain firmly in place and the preferential treatment that flows from those privileges continues to work to the benefit of whites, all talk of ending affirmative action is not only premature but a slap in the face to those who have fought, and died, for equal opportunity.

This argument is basically like saying that it's unfair that a mother would prefer her own children to her neighbor's. Gee, really?
 
The position of advantage enjoyed by people of western European ancestry as a group is not something that results from great spirit in the sky bestowing a position of privlege upon their ancestors. Various groups existed. Some groups came out on "top." They out competed others. Western Europeans gained advantage over many other groups because their civilization developed superior military and transportation technology.

If the University of Michigan was implementing a point system as described, doing things like awarding points for being from one region of the state rather than another, it was an unfair system. If an institution into which many want to gain entry is going to establish a rating system to include and exclude candidates, it ought to be based exclusively on efforts to measure the capability of each applicant. Demographic information should not be a factor at all. Any other approach means the overall quality of the outgoing product is diminished. And if it's not believed it's possible to take measurements of incoming capability that allow meaningful prediction of outcome likelyhoods, applicants should should be randomly selected for admission. That, at least, is completely fair.
 
I have my complaints about Affiramtive Action to be sure.

But the fact is that many of us enjoy benefits based on color or class which are so much a part of our lives that we don't even notice them.

Now if you happen not to have those benefits, and you see that others do have them, they're fairly obvious...to YOU, BUT NOT TO THEM.
 
I think that general tone struck by the author is characteristic of a fallacy embraced by our egalitarian culture. That fallacy is the assumption that there are no differences in aptitude between what we define as racial groups so that, if everything was completely fair, we'd see no differences in achievement in different areas.

Do a Google search for "NAEP Data Explorer" (I was just told I can't post links until I've made 15 posts) then go to that site you can do queries to see how students in different demographic groups scored on National Association of Educational Progress (NAEP) tests. I'm going to use the results of the 2000 12th grade math test with no accommodations to illustrate something. I'm using 2000 because it's the last set of math results available and I'm using "no accommodations" because that's the default for that year. The NAEP conducts "scientific" sampling of US students. So the estimates are "representative" of the populations.

I broke it down by race, socioeconomic status, and parental education level. General socioeconomic status is indicated by whether or not students were eligible for the school lunch program; with those eligible considered relatively poor and those not eligible considered middle class or wealthy. Unfortunately, there apparently are not enough observations on children whose parents didn't graduate from high school for results for that group to be reported. With that group therefore omitted, parental education level is indicated by "High School Grad, Some College, or College Grad." Average scores of each group are indicated. So here's how it looks:

Eligible, High School Grad: W 286, B 266
Eligible, Some College: W 295, B 276
Eligible, College Grad: W 307, B 271
Not Eligible, High School Grad: W 294, B 269
Not Eligible, Some College: W 307, B 278
Not Eligible, College Grad: W 317, B 282

The first thing to notice is that the sample average score for whites in the least advantaged defined group (Eligible, High School Grad) is higher than that of Blacks in the most advantaged defined group (Not Eligible, College Grad). The difference is not statistically "significant," so we can't say there's a difference between the populations from which the samples were taken. But it still makes it awfully tough to argue that blacks scored lower on the test because, say, their ancestors did not have access to FHA loans while whites' ancestors did.

Suppose we say that there's some job requiring that people coming out of the 12th grade be good enough at math to have scored at the national overall average of 300 on the test. I didn't type the standard deviations but using that it's possible to estimate how each group would do. The standard deviation for the "Not Eligible, College Grad, B" group is 33. That means something like 29 percent of them would qualify for the job.

The standard deviation for the "Not Eligible, College Grad, W" group is 32. That means something like 70 percent of them would qualify for the job. But it's fair to say comparing that "most advantaged" white group to the "most advantaged" Black group is not apples and apples. A higher percentage of parents among the whites might have graduate educations, might've attended better colleges, etc. Also, there's a broad range in the "Not Eligible" group so the whites in any "Not Eligible" category could be, on average, economically better off than Blacks in the same category.

So we can look at a white group that can reasonably be considered no more "advantaged" than the "top" Black group is. Whites in the "Eligible, Some College" category fit the bill and in fact are arguably a little "disadvantaged" in the comparison. The standard deviation for that group is 27. That means about 43 percent of them would qualify for the job.

If you look at the other NAEP subject areas you'll see the same pattern. The differences between black and white scores cannot be accounted for by things like the fact that whites had grandparents that could get FHA loans while blacks had grandparents that could not. And the results are in the context of a situation in which the educational establishment has been specifically focusing on narrowing the gap between white and black scores for quite some time now.

Could there be other explanations? Sure. But the point is that our culture assumes that all of the differences would disappear if only everybody was treated equally and it does not know that assumption to be true. In fact, if we were being objective, we'd be seriously entertaining the possibility that it's not true.

And if it's not true all kinds of things come into play. If one group just isn't innately as proficient on average in certain areas as another is, a lower proportion of that group may be represented among college graduates and a higher proportion may be among those of lower socioeconomic status. There is a chicken and egg scenario. Children within the population of "the poor" score lower on tests, etc., due to not being in an advantaged environment. But to some extent the population of "the poor" may be in that state because of the distribution of innate aptitudes within in it. The bottom line is that the assumption that there are no innate difference in distributions of aptitudes between what we call racial groups is unsubstantiated. I think we're proceeding as though we know it to be a fact; and we don't.

Of course even entertaining such thoughts is taboo. It's not possible to have a public, open, and honest discussion about it. Those who embrace the egalitarian assumption are patted on the back while anybody who questions it will be tarred and feathered.
 
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I think that general tone struck by the author is characteristic of a fallacy embraced by our egalitarian culture. That fallacy is the assumption that there are no differences in aptitude between what we define as racial groups so that, if everything was completely fair, we'd see no differences in achievement in different areas.
I do not think that was his point.

I think it's very comforting for some of us to ASSUME that's his point though. That way we can deny his point by pretending it's something other than what he said.

Do a Google search for "NAEP Data Explorer" (I was just told I can't post links until I've made 15 posts) then go to that site you can do queries to see how students in different demographic groups scored on National Association of Educational Progress (NAEP) tests. I'm going to use the results of the 2000 12th grade math test with no accommodations to illustrate something. I'm using 2000 because it's the last set of math results available and I'm using "no accommodations" because that's the default for that year. The NAEP conducts "scientific" sampling of US students. So the estimates are "representative" of the populations.

I broke it down by race, socioeconomic status, and parental education level. General socioeconomic status is indicated by whether or not students were eligible for the school lunch program; with those eligible considered relatively poor and those not eligible considered middle class or wealthy. Unfortunately, there apparently are not enough observations on children whose parents didn't graduate from high school for results for that group to be reported. With that group therefore omitted, parental education level is indicated by "High School Grad, Some College, or College Grad." Average scores of each group are indicated. So here's how it looks:

Eligible, High School Grad: W 286, B 266
Eligible, Some College: W 295, B 276
Eligible, College Grad: W 307, B 271
Not Eligible, High School Grad: W 294, B 269
Not Eligible, Some College: W 307, B 278
Not Eligible, College Grad: W 317, B 282

The first thing to notice is that the sample average score for whites in the least advantaged defined group (Eligible, High School Grad) is higher than that of Blacks in the most advantaged defined group (Not Eligible, College Grad). The difference is not statistically "significant," so we can't say there's a difference between the populations from which the samples were taken. But it still makes it awfully tough to argue that blacks scored lower on the test because, say, their ancestors did not have access to FHA loans while whites' ancestors did.

The above is a perfect example of a fish not understanding the water than support him, actually.

Do you honestly think that one can easily wipe out the pernicious outcomes of 400 years of oppression in one generation?

Obviously you do.

You are wrong.

But it's a very comnforting wrong way of thinking, I'll admit that much.
 
I think that general tone struck by the author is characteristic of a fallacy embraced by our egalitarian culture. That fallacy is the assumption that there are no differences in aptitude between what we define as racial groups so that, if everything was completely fair, we'd see no differences in achievement in different areas.
I do not think that was his point.

I think it's very comforting for some of us to ASSUME that's his point though. That way we can deny his point by pretending it's something other than what he said.

Do a Google search for "NAEP Data Explorer" (I was just told I can't post links until I've made 15 posts) then go to that site you can do queries to see how students in different demographic groups scored on National Association of Educational Progress (NAEP) tests. I'm going to use the results of the 2000 12th grade math test with no accommodations to illustrate something. I'm using 2000 because it's the last set of math results available and I'm using "no accommodations" because that's the default for that year. The NAEP conducts "scientific" sampling of US students. So the estimates are "representative" of the populations.

I broke it down by race, socioeconomic status, and parental education level. General socioeconomic status is indicated by whether or not students were eligible for the school lunch program; with those eligible considered relatively poor and those not eligible considered middle class or wealthy. Unfortunately, there apparently are not enough observations on children whose parents didn't graduate from high school for results for that group to be reported. With that group therefore omitted, parental education level is indicated by "High School Grad, Some College, or College Grad." Average scores of each group are indicated. So here's how it looks:

Eligible, High School Grad: W 286, B 266
Eligible, Some College: W 295, B 276
Eligible, College Grad: W 307, B 271
Not Eligible, High School Grad: W 294, B 269
Not Eligible, Some College: W 307, B 278
Not Eligible, College Grad: W 317, B 282

The first thing to notice is that the sample average score for whites in the least advantaged defined group (Eligible, High School Grad) is higher than that of Blacks in the most advantaged defined group (Not Eligible, College Grad). The difference is not statistically "significant," so we can't say there's a difference between the populations from which the samples were taken. But it still makes it awfully tough to argue that blacks scored lower on the test because, say, their ancestors did not have access to FHA loans while whites' ancestors did.

The above is a perfect example of a fish not understanding the water than support him, actually.

Do you honestly think that one can easily wipe out the pernicious outcomes of 400 years of oppression in one generation?

Obviously you do.

You are wrong.

But it's a very comnforting wrong way of thinking, I'll admit that much.

Someone really needs to explain to me or my son how we have personally benfitted from slavery.
 
I think that general tone struck by the author is characteristic of a fallacy embraced by our egalitarian culture. That fallacy is the assumption that there are no differences in aptitude between what we define as racial groups so that, if everything was completely fair, we'd see no differences in achievement in different areas.

The above is a perfect example of a fish not understanding the water than support him, actually.

Do you honestly think that one can easily wipe out the pernicious outcomes of 400 years of oppression in one generation?

Obviously you do.

You are wrong.

But it's a very comnforting wrong way of thinking, I'll admit that much.

Someone really needs to explain to me or my son how we have personally benfitted from slavery.

Look around you.

SEe America?

Blacks built much of it and weren't paid for their labors basically for 400 years.

Worse they weren't allowed to participate in much of the bounty that they helped create...not even in MY lifetime.

Nuf said?
 
Someone really needs to explain to me or my son how we have personally benfitted from slavery.

Look around you.

SEe America?

Blacks built much of it and weren't paid for their labors basically for 400 years.

Worse they weren't allowed to participate in much of the bounty that they helped create...not even in MY lifetime.

Nuf said?

no--because you would be hard pressed to prove or itemiize what I personally used of slave labor compared to what I have given back to blacks over the course of my life time.
GET IT ?
 
Look around you.

SEe America?

Blacks built much of it and weren't paid for their labors basically for 400 years.

Worse they weren't allowed to participate in much of the bounty that they helped create...not even in MY lifetime.

Nuf said?

no--because you would be hard pressed to prove or itemiize what I personally used of slave labor compared to what I have given back to blacks over the course of my life time.
GET IT ?

Yes I get it.

You are exactly as blind to the advantages that you have as Bass pointed out.
 
no--because you would be hard pressed to prove or itemiize what I personally used of slave labor compared to what I have given back to blacks over the course of my life time.
GET IT ?

Yes I get it.

You are exactly as blind to the advantages that you have as Bass pointed out.


I didnt' think you could prove it. Apparently this new argument that whites still profit from slave labor has some serious holes in it.
 
Whites Swim in Racial Preference

Tim Wise
AlterNet
February 20, 2003

Ask a fish what water is and you'll get no answer. Even if fish were capable of speech, they would likely have no explanation for the element they swim in every minute of every day of their lives. Water simply is. Fish take it for granted.

So too with this thing we hear so much about, "racial preference." While many whites seem to think the notion originated with affirmative action programs, intended to expand opportunities for historically marginalized people of color, racial preference has actually had a long and very white history.

Affirmative action for whites was embodied in the abolition of European indentured servitude, which left black (and occasionally indigenous) slaves as the only unfree labor in the colonies that would become the U.S.

Affirmative action for whites was the essence of the 1790 Naturalization Act, which allowed virtually any European immigrant to become a full citizen, even while blacks, Asians and American Indians could not.

Affirmative action for whites was the guiding principle of segregation, Asian exclusion laws, and the theft of half of Mexico for the fulfillment of Manifest Destiny.

In recent history, affirmative action for whites motivated racially restrictive housing policies that helped 15 million white families procure homes with FHA loans from the 1930s to the '60s, while people of color were mostly excluded from the same programs.

In other words, it is hardly an exaggeration to say that white America is the biggest collective recipient of racial preference in the history of the cosmos. It has skewed our laws, shaped our public policy and helped create the glaring inequalities with which we still live.

White families, on average, have a net worth that is 11 times the net worth of black families, according to a recent study; and this gap remains substantial even when only comparing families of like size, composition, education and income status.

A full-time black male worker in 2003 makes less in real dollar terms than similar white men were earning in 1967. Such realities are not merely indicative of the disadvantages faced by blacks, but indeed are evidence of the preferences afforded whites -- a demarcation of privilege that is the necessary flipside of discrimination.

Indeed, the value of preferences to whites over the years is so enormous that the current baby-boomer generation of whites is currently in the process of inheriting between $7-10 trillion in assets from their parents and grandparents -- property handed down by those who were able to accumulate assets at a time when people of color by and large could not. To place this in the proper perspective, we should note that this amount of money is more than all the outstanding mortgage debt, all the credit card debt, all the savings account assets, all the money in IRAs and 401k retirement plans, all the annual profits for U.S. manufacturers, and our entire merchandise trade deficit combined.

Yet few whites have ever thought of our position as resulting from racial preferences. Indeed, we pride ourselves on our hard work and ambition, as if somehow we invented the concepts.

As if we have worked harder than the folks who were forced to pick cotton and build levies for free; harder than the Latino immigrants who spend 10 hours a day in fields picking strawberries or tomatoes; harder than the (mostly) women of color who clean hotel rooms or change bedpans in hospitals, or the (mostly) men of color who collect our garbage.

We strike the pose of self-sufficiency while ignoring the advantages we have been afforded in every realm of activity: housing, education, employment, criminal justice, politics, banking and business. We ignore the fact that at almost every turn, our hard work has been met with access to an opportunity structure denied to millions of others. Privilege, to us, is like water to the fish: invisible precisely because we cannot imagine life without it.

It is that context that best explains the duplicity of the President's recent criticisms of affirmative action at the University of Michigan. President Bush, himself a lifelong recipient of affirmative action -- the kind set aside for the mediocre rich -- recently proclaimed that the school's policies were examples of unfair racial preference. Yet in doing so he not only showed a profound ignorance of the Michigan policy, but made clear the inability of yet another white person to grasp the magnitude of white privilege still in operation.

The President attacked Michigan's policy of awarding 20 points (on a 150-point evaluation scale) to undergraduate applicants who are members of underrepresented minorities (which at U of M means blacks, Latinos and American Indians). To many whites such a "preference" is blatantly discriminatory.

Bush failed to mention that greater numbers of points are awarded for other things that amount to preferences for whites to the exclusion of people of color.

For example, Michigan awards 20 points to any student from a low-income background, regardless of race. Since these points cannot be combined with those for minority status (in other words poor blacks don't get 40 points), in effect this is a preference for poor whites.

Then Michigan awards 16 points to students who hail from the Upper Peninsula of the state: a rural, largely isolated, and almost completely white area.

Of course both preferences are fair, based as they are on the recognition that economic status and even geography (as with race) can have a profound effect on the quality of K-12 schooling that one receives, and that no one should be punished for things that are beyond their control. But note that such preferences -- though disproportionately awarded to whites -- remain uncriticized, while preferences for people of color become the target for reactionary anger. Once again, white preference remains hidden because it is more subtle, more ingrained, and isn't called white preference, even if that's the effect.

But that's not all. Ten points are awarded to students who attended top-notch high schools, and another eight points are given to students who took an especially demanding AP and honors curriculum.

As with points for those from the Upper Peninsula, these preferences may be race-neutral in theory, but in practice they are anything but. Because of intense racial isolation (and Michigan's schools are the most segregated in America for blacks, according to research by the Harvard Civil Rights Project), students of color will rarely attend the "best" schools, and on average, schools serving mostly black and Latino students offer only a third as many AP and honors courses as schools serving mostly whites.

So even truly talented students of color will be unable to access those extra points simply because of where they live, their economic status and ultimately their race, which is intertwined with both.

Four more points are awarded to students who have a parent who attended the U of M: a kind of affirmative action with which the President is intimately familiar, and which almost exclusively goes to whites. Ironically, while alumni preference could work toward the interest of diversity if combined with aggressive race-based affirmative action (by creating a larger number of black and brown alums), the rollback of the latter, combined with the almost guaranteed retention of the former, will only further perpetuate white preference.

So the U of M offers 20 "extra" points to the typical black, Latino or indigenous applicant, while offering various combinations worth up to 58 extra points for students who will almost all be white. But while the first of these are seen as examples of racial preferences, the second are not, hidden as they are behind the structure of social inequities that limit where people live, where they go to school, and the kinds of opportunities they have been afforded. White preferences, the result of the normal workings of a racist society, can remain out of sight and out of mind, while the power of the state is turned against the paltry preferences meant to offset them.

Very telling is the oft-heard comment by whites, "If I had only been black I would have gotten into my first-choice college."

Such a statement not only ignores the fact that whites are more likely than members of any other group -- even with affirmative action in place -- to get into their first-choice school, but it also presumes, as anti-racist activist Paul Marcus explains, "that if these whites were black, everything else about their life would have remained the same." In other words, that it would have made no negative difference as to where they went to school, what their family income was, or anything else.

The ability to believe that being black would have made no difference (other than a beneficial one when it came time for college), and that being white has made no positive difference, is rooted in privilege itself: the privilege that allows one to not have to think about race on a daily basis; to not have one's intelligence questioned by best-selling books; to not have to worry about being viewed as a "out of place" when driving, shopping, buying a home, or for that matter, attending the University of Michigan.

So long as those privileges remain firmly in place and the preferential treatment that flows from those privileges continues to work to the benefit of whites, all talk of ending affirmative action is not only premature but a slap in the face to those who have fought, and died, for equal opportunity.


Tim Wise writes about white privelege. It's a tough sell to white people. If you have privelege, generally you don't see it, until someone tries to level the playing field and take your privelege from you.

It's an interesting point of view, and it is NOT easy for white people to see and acknowledge.

Good luck with this topic. It's a hard sell.

I've been aware of white privelege for over twenty five years. I am fortunate in that regard that I had a dear friend, a Latina, help me see it in myself long ago.

Once you see it, your eyes cannot be closed to it again.
 

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