White House Sends Abortion Supporter To Thumb His Nose At The Pope

[bodecea]

Corruption is an institutional problem which I'm sure the Vatican is trying to deal with. Perhaps the problem is worse in the United States than anywhere else. But......this is important.....no priest that molested a male student was not Gay. Only Gays, i.e. male priests, molest boys.....despite how distasteful that may seem to you. I'm not sure what the statistics are, but it seems that there is less hetero molestation in the church because we never hear of it.

But that's not true, either.

Leaving aside the fact that being a pedophile is different than being a homosexual. Obviously, you are far too stupid to understand that distinction.

But a lot of these preists were molesting girls as well as boys.

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Sadly, that doesn't seem to be considered news worthy or important to some.

 

[bodecea]

There are 3 million public school teachers nationwide, most devoted to their work. Yet the number of abusive educators — nearly three for every school day — speaks to a much larger problem in a system that is stacked against victims.

Most of the abuse never gets reported. Those cases reported often end with no action. Cases investigated sometimes can't be proven, and many abusers have several victims.

And no one — not the schools, not the courts, not the state or federal governments — has found a surefire way to keep molesting teachers out of classrooms.

Those are the findings of an AP investigation in which reporters sought disciplinary records in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The result is an unprecedented national look at the scope of sex offenses by educators — the very definition of breach of trust.

The seven-month investigation found 2,570 educators whose teaching credentials were revoked, denied, surrendered or sanctioned from 2001 through 2005 following allegations of sexual misconduct.

Young people were the victims in at least 1,801 of the cases, and more than 80% of those were students. At least half the educators who were punished by their states also were convicted of crimes related to their misconduct.

The findings draw obvious comparisons to sex abuse scandals in other institutions, among them the Roman Catholic Church. A review by America's Catholic bishops found that about 4,400 of 110,000 priests were accused of molesting minors from 1950 through 2002.

Thousands of teachers cited for sex misconduct - USATODAY.com​

Made up huh???

And every single one of them deserves jail time....NOT quietly passed on to another school or school district.

 

[Katzndogz]

I think the Catholic Church's ability to pass judgement on anyone ended the first time they moved a pedophile priest to another parish and didn't warn the parishoners about him.

Okay.....one person is corrupt and you think we should shut the whole religion down?

If that's the case then we need to shut the White House down now. Those criminal illegals they released was enough regardless who was responsible.

It wasn't "one person". There were THOUSANDS of pedophile priests, which the Church spent decades hiding, moving from parish to parish, and paying off settlements with the victim's families that included non-disclosure agreements.

Now, if you can put down your ODS just long enough, you have to look at the Catholic Church as a seriously damaged institution.

I grew up Catholic, and we all knew the priests were a little weird and you didn't want to be in a room alone with one. So the whole church knew what was going on, we just didn't like to talk about it... until now.

Then you would support a purge of pedophile and homosexual priests? Yes, so would I and I'm not a Catholic either.

 

[Katzndogz]

There are 3 million public school teachers nationwide, most devoted to their work. Yet the number of abusive educators — nearly three for every school day — speaks to a much larger problem in a system that is stacked against victims.

Most of the abuse never gets reported. Those cases reported often end with no action. Cases investigated sometimes can't be proven, and many abusers have several victims.

And no one — not the schools, not the courts, not the state or federal governments — has found a surefire way to keep molesting teachers out of classrooms.

Those are the findings of an AP investigation in which reporters sought disciplinary records in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The result is an unprecedented national look at the scope of sex offenses by educators — the very definition of breach of trust.

The seven-month investigation found 2,570 educators whose teaching credentials were revoked, denied, surrendered or sanctioned from 2001 through 2005 following allegations of sexual misconduct.

Young people were the victims in at least 1,801 of the cases, and more than 80% of those were students. At least half the educators who were punished by their states also were convicted of crimes related to their misconduct.

The findings draw obvious comparisons to sex abuse scandals in other institutions, among them the Roman Catholic Church. A review by America's Catholic bishops found that about 4,400 of 110,000 priests were accused of molesting minors from 1950 through 2002.

Thousands of teachers cited for sex misconduct - USATODAY.com​

Made up huh???

And every single one of them deserves jail time....NOT quietly passed on to another school or school district.

Miramonte Elementary school in Los Angeles had to be closed because it was basically a brothel for child molesting teachers. The teachers were bounced around from school to school because of allegations of molestation and finally ended up with their own little school. Mark Berndt spent 30 years as a child molesting teacher under the protection of the LAUSD.

 

[bodecea]

There are 3 million public school teachers nationwide, most devoted to their work. Yet the number of abusive educators — nearly three for every school day — speaks to a much larger problem in a system that is stacked against victims.

Most of the abuse never gets reported. Those cases reported often end with no action. Cases investigated sometimes can't be proven, and many abusers have several victims.

And no one — not the schools, not the courts, not the state or federal governments — has found a surefire way to keep molesting teachers out of classrooms.

Those are the findings of an AP investigation in which reporters sought disciplinary records in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The result is an unprecedented national look at the scope of sex offenses by educators — the very definition of breach of trust.

The seven-month investigation found 2,570 educators whose teaching credentials were revoked, denied, surrendered or sanctioned from 2001 through 2005 following allegations of sexual misconduct.

Young people were the victims in at least 1,801 of the cases, and more than 80% of those were students. At least half the educators who were punished by their states also were convicted of crimes related to their misconduct.

The findings draw obvious comparisons to sex abuse scandals in other institutions, among them the Roman Catholic Church. A review by America's Catholic bishops found that about 4,400 of 110,000 priests were accused of molesting minors from 1950 through 2002.

Thousands of teachers cited for sex misconduct - USATODAY.com​

Made up huh???

And every single one of them deserves jail time....NOT quietly passed on to another school or school district.

Miramonte Elementary school in Los Angeles had to be closed because it was basically a brothel for child molesting teachers. The teachers were bounced around from school to school because of allegations of molestation and finally ended up with their own little school. Mark Berndt spent 30 years as a child molesting teacher under the protection of the LAUSD.

And they are paying for that right now...big time. Teachers and administrators. How many in the Catholic Hierarchy are paying?

 

[Katzndogz]

And every single one of them deserves jail time....NOT quietly passed on to another school or school district.

Miramonte Elementary school in Los Angeles had to be closed because it was basically a brothel for child molesting teachers. The teachers were bounced around from school to school because of allegations of molestation and finally ended up with their own little school. Mark Berndt spent 30 years as a child molesting teacher under the protection of the LAUSD.

And they are paying for that right now...big time. Teachers and administrators. How many in the Catholic Hierarchy are paying?

Have you not noticed that more teacher/molesters are being charged every day? Men and women teachers are child molesters. The FEW priests that molested children go back more than 50 years. Some of those named have already died of old age. The schools are still full of molesters.

 

[bodecea]

Miramonte Elementary school in Los Angeles had to be closed because it was basically a brothel for child molesting teachers. The teachers were bounced around from school to school because of allegations of molestation and finally ended up with their own little school. Mark Berndt spent 30 years as a child molesting teacher under the protection of the LAUSD.

And they are paying for that right now...big time. Teachers and administrators. How many in the Catholic Hierarchy are paying?

Have you not noticed that more teacher/molesters are being charged every day? Men and women teachers are child molesters. The FEW priests that molested children go back more than 50 years. Some of those named have already died of old age. The schools are still full of molesters.

The "few"?

 

[Sallow]

The idiot Joe Biden is in Rome to essentially thumb his nose at the Pope. The Obama Administration is basically telling the Pope to kiss his ass by sending a Catholic that supports abortion to his inaugural mass.

Pope Francis is on record stating that he will not give communion to any Catholic politician that advocates abortion or birth control yet the Administration wants to push it by sending VP as a representative, perhaps to cause a mini-crisis. To test the Pope.

I think it is low-classed to say the least and shows a lack of respect for the church on Obama's part. It would have been more classy simply to make a call to the Pope. Instead they want to rub it in his face.

Despicable.

New Pope Francis I is a conservative in the mold of his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II. That’s especially true on the issue of abortion, which he called a “death sentence” for the unborn in 2007. “We aren’t in agreement with the death penalty,” he said during that speech, “but in Argentina we have the death penalty. A child conceived by the rape of a mentally ill or retarded woman can be condemned to death.”

In the Aparecida Document, a document that represents a joint statement by Latin American church leaders but presented by Francis in 2007, the leaders stated, “we should commit ourselves to ‘eucharistic coherence,’ that is, we should be conscious that people cannot receive holy communion and at the same time act or speak against the commandments, in particular when abortions, euthanasia, and other serious crimes against life and family are facilitated. This responsibility applies particularly to legislators, governors, and health professionals.”​

The Vatican has been gracious by not protesting. You won't hear a negative word from them. That is the classy way to react to people who they know are doing something they know is against their wishes. They may mention something in private but they don't blast it to the press like Obama always does. Maybe Obama should try to learn something from Pope Francis.

I expect criticism for even starting this thread......but if it were not for the constant demonizing of his opposition by Obama I probably wouldn't have cared less. That is the only reason I mention it. I also expect the liberals to ignore this paragraph.

Link

Biden to lead delegation for new pope?s installation ? CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Pope Francis Clear on Denying Communion to Politicians Who Facilitate Abortion | The Gateway Pundit

President Obama kept with US protocol by sending the second highest ranking official to the Vatican to meet with the Pope.

The United States isn't subject to Catholic or the edicts of any other religion.

 

[PratchettFan]

The idiot Joe Biden is in Rome to essentially thumb his nose at the Pope. The Obama Administration is basically telling the Pope to kiss his ass by sending a Catholic that supports abortion to his inaugural mass.

Pope Francis is on record stating that he will not give communion to any Catholic politician that advocates abortion or birth control yet the Administration wants to push it by sending VP as a representative, perhaps to cause a mini-crisis. To test the Pope.

I think it is low-classed to say the least and shows a lack of respect for the church on Obama's part. It would have been more classy simply to make a call to the Pope. Instead they want to rub it in his face.

Despicable.

New Pope Francis I is a conservative in the mold of his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II. That’s especially true on the issue of abortion, which he called a “death sentence” for the unborn in 2007. “We aren’t in agreement with the death penalty,” he said during that speech, “but in Argentina we have the death penalty. A child conceived by the rape of a mentally ill or retarded woman can be condemned to death.”

In the Aparecida Document, a document that represents a joint statement by Latin American church leaders but presented by Francis in 2007, the leaders stated, “we should commit ourselves to ‘eucharistic coherence,’ that is, we should be conscious that people cannot receive holy communion and at the same time act or speak against the commandments, in particular when abortions, euthanasia, and other serious crimes against life and family are facilitated. This responsibility applies particularly to legislators, governors, and health professionals.”​

The Vatican has been gracious by not protesting. You won't hear a negative word from them. That is the classy way to react to people who they know are doing something they know is against their wishes. They may mention something in private but they don't blast it to the press like Obama always does. Maybe Obama should try to learn something from Pope Francis.

I expect criticism for even starting this thread......but if it were not for the constant demonizing of his opposition by Obama I probably wouldn't have cared less. That is the only reason I mention it. I also expect the liberals to ignore this paragraph.

Link

Biden to lead delegation for new pope?s installation ? CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Pope Francis Clear on Denying Communion to Politicians Who Facilitate Abortion | The Gateway Pundit

I believe what happened was the President of the United States sent the Vice President to represent the President at a major event. The Vatican did not object because that was, in fact, a high compliment in diplomacy. You are free to see it otherwise, of course.

 

[editec]

White House Sends Abortion Supporter To Thumb His Nose At The Pope

Good for him.

 

[JoeB131]

[

It's not the abstaining from sex that's the problem, it that when you have a policy that turns away most healthy people, and tells sick people that we can fix them by praying to an imaginary sky man every day, you are just asking for trouble.

You're one of "those" Catholics.

The problem is obvious......and you want to blame it on God.

Or that he even exists.

If he doesn't how does that make us give into our weaknesses?

There is no God. Sorry. There is also no Easter Bunny, Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy.

So none of those guys are to blame.

The problem is, unlike your Mom telling you that there's a Santa because she had fond memories, the people pushing the God Scam are about the money. the only reason they started cracking down on the Pedophiles is because it was costing them too much money to settle lawsuits.

 

[JoeB131]

There are 3 million public school teachers nationwide, most devoted to their work. Yet the number of abusive educators — nearly three for every school day — speaks to a much larger problem in a system that is stacked against victims.

Most of the abuse never gets reported. Those cases reported often end with no action. Cases investigated sometimes can't be proven, and many abusers have several victims.

And no one — not the schools, not the courts, not the state or federal governments — has found a surefire way to keep molesting teachers out of classrooms.

Those are the findings of an AP investigation in which reporters sought disciplinary records in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The result is an unprecedented national look at the scope of sex offenses by educators — the very definition of breach of trust.

The seven-month investigation found 2,570 educators whose teaching credentials were revoked, denied, surrendered or sanctioned from 2001 through 2005 following allegations of sexual misconduct.

Young people were the victims in at least 1,801 of the cases, and more than 80% of those were students. At least half the educators who were punished by their states also were convicted of crimes related to their misconduct.

The findings draw obvious comparisons to sex abuse scandals in other institutions, among them the Roman Catholic Church. A review by America's Catholic bishops found that about 4,400 of 110,000 priests were accused of molesting minors from 1950 through 2002.

Made up huh???​

Yea, pretty much.

Okay, let's look at the math here.

Out of three million teachers, 2,570 had their credentials revoked. That comes out to about 1 in 1000. And that assumes that all the cases were valid. Some of them might have been overzealous adminstrators.

On the other hand, using your own numbers, out of 110,000 preists, 4400 of them were accused of sexual misconduct- that the Church is willing to cope to, and we already know they took efforts to cover things up.

So that's 1 out of 25.

Sorry, man, 1 out of a thousand are a lot better odds than 1 out of 25.​

 

[JoeB131]

[
Then you would support a purge of pedophile and homosexual priests? Yes, so would I and I'm not a Catholic either.

I'd support a purge of the whole perverted Catholic Clergy... The ones who didn't do the abuse were at least aware of what was going on.

 

[JoeB131]

[

I believe what happened was the President of the United States sent the Vice President to represent the President at a major event. The Vatican did not object because that was, in fact, a high compliment in diplomacy. You are free to see it otherwise, of course.

Thank you, Prachett.

The hyperbole here aside. President Obama sent the #2 man in his administration and the highest elected Catholic official in the country since JFK.

And if Obama didn't send Biden, Mudpuppy would be accusing him of insulting the Pope by not showing the proper respect.

 

[mudwhistle]

There are 3 million public school teachers nationwide, most devoted to their work. Yet the number of abusive educators — nearly three for every school day — speaks to a much larger problem in a system that is stacked against victims.

Most of the abuse never gets reported. Those cases reported often end with no action. Cases investigated sometimes can't be proven, and many abusers have several victims.

And no one — not the schools, not the courts, not the state or federal governments — has found a surefire way to keep molesting teachers out of classrooms.

Those are the findings of an AP investigation in which reporters sought disciplinary records in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The result is an unprecedented national look at the scope of sex offenses by educators — the very definition of breach of trust.

The seven-month investigation found 2,570 educators whose teaching credentials were revoked, denied, surrendered or sanctioned from 2001 through 2005 following allegations of sexual misconduct.

Young people were the victims in at least 1,801 of the cases, and more than 80% of those were students. At least half the educators who were punished by their states also were convicted of crimes related to their misconduct.

The findings draw obvious comparisons to sex abuse scandals in other institutions, among them the Roman Catholic Church. A review by America's Catholic bishops found that about 4,400 of 110,000 priests were accused of molesting minors from 1950 through 2002.

Made up huh???​

Yea, pretty much.

Okay, let's look at the math here.

Out of three million teachers, 2,570 had their credentials revoked. That comes out to about 1 in 1000. And that assumes that all the cases were valid. Some of them might have been overzealous adminstrators.

On the other hand, using your own numbers, out of 110,000 preists, 4400 of them were accused of sexual misconduct- that the Church is willing to cope to, and we already know they took efforts to cover things up.

So that's 1 out of 25.

Sorry, man, 1 out of a thousand are a lot better odds than 1 out of 25.​

The numbers on teachers covers only a few years while the numbers on priests covers over 50 years.

I'll trust a priest over a schoolteacher any day.

I've known some in my life. Some of them are pretty sick fucks. Teachers I mean.​

 

[JoeB131]

[

The numbers on teachers covers only a few years while the numbers on priests covers over 50 years.

I'll trust a priest over a schoolteacher any day.

I've known some in my life. Some of them are pretty sick fucks. Teachers I mean.

My mom was a teacher....

But that's okay, I know you are full of anger that teachers don't much like the thought of being downsized so some billionaire can buy a Dressage Pony.

Frankly, I wouldn't trust a priest as far as I could throw him. If you grew up Catholic, you'd know they were all a little weird. You joined the "Holy Orders" because that's where Catholics put you if you weren't into the whole "Breed New Parishoneers" mindset.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The idiot Joe Biden is in Rome to essentially thumb his nose at the Pope. The Obama Administration is basically telling the Pope to kiss his ass by sending a Catholic that supports abortion to his inaugural mass.

Pope Francis is on record stating that he will not give communion to any Catholic politician that advocates abortion or birth control yet the Administration wants to push it by sending VP as a representative, perhaps to cause a mini-crisis. To test the Pope.

I think it is low-classed to say the least and shows a lack of respect for the church on Obama's part. It would have been more classy simply to make a call to the Pope. Instead they want to rub it in his face.

Despicable.

New Pope Francis I is a conservative in the mold of his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II. That’s especially true on the issue of abortion, which he called a “death sentence” for the unborn in 2007. “We aren’t in agreement with the death penalty,” he said during that speech, “but in Argentina we have the death penalty. A child conceived by the rape of a mentally ill or retarded woman can be condemned to death.”

In the Aparecida Document, a document that represents a joint statement by Latin American church leaders but presented by Francis in 2007, the leaders stated, “we should commit ourselves to ‘eucharistic coherence,’ that is, we should be conscious that people cannot receive holy communion and at the same time act or speak against the commandments, in particular when abortions, euthanasia, and other serious crimes against life and family are facilitated. This responsibility applies particularly to legislators, governors, and health professionals.”​

The Vatican has been gracious by not protesting. You won't hear a negative word from them. That is the classy way to react to people who they know are doing something they know is against their wishes. They may mention something in private but they don't blast it to the press like Obama always does. Maybe Obama should try to learn something from Pope Francis.

I expect criticism for even starting this thread......but if it were not for the constant demonizing of his opposition by Obama I probably wouldn't have cared less. That is the only reason I mention it. I also expect the liberals to ignore this paragraph.

Link

Biden to lead delegation for new pope?s installation ? CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Pope Francis Clear on Denying Communion to Politicians Who Facilitate Abortion | The Gateway Pundit

How do you know Biden ‘supports’ abortion.

Accepting settled and accepted Constitutional case law with regard to privacy rights isn’t ‘supporting’ abortion, it’s obeying the Constitution.

Indeed, opponents of abortion are opposed to laws banning abortion not only because such laws violate the Constitution, but because such measures won’t end the practice of abortion. Claiming someone who supports privacy rights ‘supports’ abortion is as idiotic as saying someone who opposes a Band-Aide for a brain tumor ‘supports’ cancer.

A good catholic can obey his faith’s dogma by respecting the privacy rights of other citizens. There are many different, more effective ways to advocate for the end of abortion that don’t include ‘banning’ abortion.

This is yet another failed thread by a tedious partisan hack, attempting again to contrive a controversy where none exists.

 

[martybegan]

There are 3 million public school teachers nationwide, most devoted to their work. Yet the number of abusive educators — nearly three for every school day — speaks to a much larger problem in a system that is stacked against victims.

Most of the abuse never gets reported. Those cases reported often end with no action. Cases investigated sometimes can't be proven, and many abusers have several victims.

And no one — not the schools, not the courts, not the state or federal governments — has found a surefire way to keep molesting teachers out of classrooms.

Those are the findings of an AP investigation in which reporters sought disciplinary records in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The result is an unprecedented national look at the scope of sex offenses by educators — the very definition of breach of trust.

The seven-month investigation found 2,570 educators whose teaching credentials were revoked, denied, surrendered or sanctioned from 2001 through 2005 following allegations of sexual misconduct.

Young people were the victims in at least 1,801 of the cases, and more than 80% of those were students. At least half the educators who were punished by their states also were convicted of crimes related to their misconduct.

The findings draw obvious comparisons to sex abuse scandals in other institutions, among them the Roman Catholic Church. A review by America's Catholic bishops found that about 4,400 of 110,000 priests were accused of molesting minors from 1950 through 2002.

Made up huh???​

Yea, pretty much.

Okay, let's look at the math here.

Out of three million teachers, 2,570 had their credentials revoked. That comes out to about 1 in 1000. And that assumes that all the cases were valid. Some of them might have been overzealous adminstrators.

On the other hand, using your own numbers, out of 110,000 preists, 4400 of them were accused of sexual misconduct- that the Church is willing to cope to, and we already know they took efforts to cover things up.

So that's 1 out of 25.

Sorry, man, 1 out of a thousand are a lot better odds than 1 out of 25.​

The numbers on teachers covers only a few years while the numbers on priests covers over 50 years.

I'll trust a priest over a schoolteacher any day.

I've known some in my life. Some of them are pretty sick fucks. Teachers I mean.​

He is also comparing accusations (priests) vs. revokeations (teachers), which may have two biases, one being the revokeation is actual proof something happened, while an accusation is not proven, and two, a revokeation is one person for sure being found guilty of something, out of your 4400 accusations stated Joe, are the individual priests being accused, or are some of the accusations multiple accusations against a single priest?​

 

[martybegan]

The idiot Joe Biden is in Rome to essentially thumb his nose at the Pope. The Obama Administration is basically telling the Pope to kiss his ass by sending a Catholic that supports abortion to his inaugural mass.

Pope Francis is on record stating that he will not give communion to any Catholic politician that advocates abortion or birth control yet the Administration wants to push it by sending VP as a representative, perhaps to cause a mini-crisis. To test the Pope.

I think it is low-classed to say the least and shows a lack of respect for the church on Obama's part. It would have been more classy simply to make a call to the Pope. Instead they want to rub it in his face.

Despicable.

New Pope Francis I is a conservative in the mold of his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II. That’s especially true on the issue of abortion, which he called a “death sentence” for the unborn in 2007. “We aren’t in agreement with the death penalty,” he said during that speech, “but in Argentina we have the death penalty. A child conceived by the rape of a mentally ill or retarded woman can be condemned to death.”

In the Aparecida Document, a document that represents a joint statement by Latin American church leaders but presented by Francis in 2007, the leaders stated, “we should commit ourselves to ‘eucharistic coherence,’ that is, we should be conscious that people cannot receive holy communion and at the same time act or speak against the commandments, in particular when abortions, euthanasia, and other serious crimes against life and family are facilitated. This responsibility applies particularly to legislators, governors, and health professionals.”​

The Vatican has been gracious by not protesting. You won't hear a negative word from them. That is the classy way to react to people who they know are doing something they know is against their wishes. They may mention something in private but they don't blast it to the press like Obama always does. Maybe Obama should try to learn something from Pope Francis.

I expect criticism for even starting this thread......but if it were not for the constant demonizing of his opposition by Obama I probably wouldn't have cared less. That is the only reason I mention it. I also expect the liberals to ignore this paragraph.

Link

Biden to lead delegation for new pope?s installation ? CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Pope Francis Clear on Denying Communion to Politicians Who Facilitate Abortion | The Gateway Pundit

How do you know Biden ‘supports’ abortion.

Accepting settled and accepted Constitutional case law with regard to privacy rights isn’t ‘supporting’ abortion, it’s obeying the Constitution.

Indeed, opponents of abortion are opposed to laws banning abortion not only because such laws violate the Constitution, but because such measures won’t end the practice of abortion. Claiming someone who supports privacy rights ‘supports’ abortion is as idiotic as saying someone who opposes a Band-Aide for a brain tumor ‘supports’ cancer.

A good catholic can obey his faith’s dogma by respecting the privacy rights of other citizens. There are many different, more effective ways to advocate for the end of abortion that don’t include ‘banning’ abortion.

This is yet another failed thread by a tedious partisan hack, attempting again to contrive a controversy where none exists.

Abortion laws may violate consitutional CASE LAW, but there is no mention of abortion in the constitution, and to me there is no consitutional right to it.

Meanwhile arms are specifically listed as a right, and progressives seem to have no problem trampling all over that right.

 

[Sallow]

The idiot Joe Biden is in Rome to essentially thumb his nose at the Pope. The Obama Administration is basically telling the Pope to kiss his ass by sending a Catholic that supports abortion to his inaugural mass.

Pope Francis is on record stating that he will not give communion to any Catholic politician that advocates abortion or birth control yet the Administration wants to push it by sending VP as a representative, perhaps to cause a mini-crisis. To test the Pope.

I think it is low-classed to say the least and shows a lack of respect for the church on Obama's part. It would have been more classy simply to make a call to the Pope. Instead they want to rub it in his face.

Despicable.

New Pope Francis I is a conservative in the mold of his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II. That’s especially true on the issue of abortion, which he called a “death sentence” for the unborn in 2007. “We aren’t in agreement with the death penalty,” he said during that speech, “but in Argentina we have the death penalty. A child conceived by the rape of a mentally ill or retarded woman can be condemned to death.”

In the Aparecida Document, a document that represents a joint statement by Latin American church leaders but presented by Francis in 2007, the leaders stated, “we should commit ourselves to ‘eucharistic coherence,’ that is, we should be conscious that people cannot receive holy communion and at the same time act or speak against the commandments, in particular when abortions, euthanasia, and other serious crimes against life and family are facilitated. This responsibility applies particularly to legislators, governors, and health professionals.”​

The Vatican has been gracious by not protesting. You won't hear a negative word from them. That is the classy way to react to people who they know are doing something they know is against their wishes. They may mention something in private but they don't blast it to the press like Obama always does. Maybe Obama should try to learn something from Pope Francis.

I expect criticism for even starting this thread......but if it were not for the constant demonizing of his opposition by Obama I probably wouldn't have cared less. That is the only reason I mention it. I also expect the liberals to ignore this paragraph.

Link

Biden to lead delegation for new pope?s installation ? CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Pope Francis Clear on Denying Communion to Politicians Who Facilitate Abortion | The Gateway Pundit

How do you know Biden ‘supports’ abortion.

Accepting settled and accepted Constitutional case law with regard to privacy rights isn’t ‘supporting’ abortion, it’s obeying the Constitution.

Indeed, opponents of abortion are opposed to laws banning abortion not only because such laws violate the Constitution, but because such measures won’t end the practice of abortion. Claiming someone who supports privacy rights ‘supports’ abortion is as idiotic as saying someone who opposes a Band-Aide for a brain tumor ‘supports’ cancer.

A good catholic can obey his faith’s dogma by respecting the privacy rights of other citizens. There are many different, more effective ways to advocate for the end of abortion that don’t include ‘banning’ abortion.

This is yet another failed thread by a tedious partisan hack, attempting again to contrive a controversy where none exists.

Abortion laws may violate consitutional CASE LAW, but there is no mention of abortion in the constitution, and to me there is no consitutional right to it.

Meanwhile arms are specifically listed as a right, and progressives seem to have no problem trampling all over that right.

There are more guns in the US than there are people. There are more guns in this country than in any other country.

The preamble of the constitution assures citizens with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Seems to me..that people with guns are trampling on the rights of other citizens..not the other way around.