Where do you want to put The Wall?

[Correll]

But you don't have the balls to answer the question.

But you don't have the balls to answer the question.

No, you are the one who doesn't have the balls to ask the question in a honest manner without tons of spin.

Correll

You say we should build a wall.

So, given the givens, answer the question.

Build on Mexico's land? Or US land?

i disagree with your givens. You want to just ask the question without spin? Or would that ruin the whole point for you?

Correll

You posted that you believe we should build a wall. You even posted an adorable meme to help you make your point.

If you cannot answer the question, just say so.

If I have missed salient points, please enlighten me.

What are the factors you believe I missed?

You want a wall. Where do you believe it should be built?

What factors do I believe you missed?

Oh, the costs to America and Americans of allowing unchecked and unvetted Third World Immigration. For one.

Leaving that out of the cost/benefit analysis just shows that you are not serious about the question, but just here to spew vile lefty propaganda.

 

[westwall]

Herr drumpf has said he wants to take land away from Americans as well as Mexicans. Some Americans agree, though not the ones who would lose their homes!

Then there's the cost - Quoted at $4million per mile or more. No problem though, cuz Mexico is paying. Right? The president of the US promised that. Many many many many many many many times. All lies and coincidentally, the same number of times he lied about Mexico paying for it. He also said he loves debt and that's the truth of this - just charge it to our elderly and our descendants.

Many of the most ignorant will say foolish things like "round them up and deport them". Obviously, they don't think that rash statement through. Those same people will also say they are against driver's licenses or other ways of actually tracking undocumented/illegals. Go figure.

So, now that we've covered that, let's get to location, location, location ...

No, the Rio Grande aka Rio Bravo does not belong only to the US. Nor does it belong wholly to Mexico. There are treaties to consider and no, the US does not get to just steal the river, even though drumpf will likely say otherwise.

Almost 1900 miles long, the river flows through three US states and two countries. Its still the third largest US river but has been dammed and polluted until most of what it once was is gone. It is sometimes dry and sometimes floods. There are times when Mexico does not share and times when the US does not.

There's actually a lot of moving parts to this question so ===

Happy reading ... What do you think?

Rio Grande/Rio Bravo

http://www.ibwc.state.gov/CRP/riogrande.htm

Rio Grande - Wikipedia

The wall: Building a continuous US-Mexico barrier would be a tall order

Like most moronic rightwing schemes, the notion of a ‘wall’ is predicated on fear, ignorance, hate, and stupidity – and zero facts.

Like the majority of your posts. This one included. The facts are that mexico pushes its malcontents north to the USA so that they can maintain their corrupt government without fear of the revolution that that country so desperately needs. The facts are that La raza is a group preaching the invasion, and takeover of the lands they claim were stolen from mexico ignoring the fact that after we took them away from them, we then purchased them. Ask yourself why is ten percent of the mexican population (lowest possible estimate) living here in the USA rather than back where they belong?

westwall

Would you mind answering on topic?

If you believe the US should build a wall and that US tax payer's should pay for it, on which side of the Rio Grande/RioBravo river should the wall be built?

Thanks for your answer.

What a retarded question. The wall MUST be built on the US side. Trying to build the wall on Mexican territory would be called an act of war as any person with an intellect greater than a gnat would tell you.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

But you don't have the balls to answer the question.

But you don't have the balls to answer the question.

No, you are the one who doesn't have the balls to ask the question in a honest manner without tons of spin.

Correll

You say we should build a wall.

So, given the givens, answer the question.

Build on Mexico's land? Or US land?

i disagree with your givens. You want to just ask the question without spin? Or would that ruin the whole point for you?

Correll

You posted that you believe we should build a wall. You even posted an adorable meme to help you make your point.

If you cannot answer the question, just say so.

If I have missed salient points, please enlighten me.

What are the factors you believe I missed?

You want a wall. Where do you believe it should be built?

What factors do I believe you missed?

Oh, the costs to America and Americans of allowing unchecked and unvetted Third World Immigration. For one.

Leaving that out of the cost/benefit analysis just shows that you are not serious about the question, but just here to spew vile lefty propaganda.

If you would like to discuss that, by all means, start a thread. This thread is not about that at all.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Herr drumpf has said he wants to take land away from Americans as well as Mexicans. Some Americans agree, though not the ones who would lose their homes!

Then there's the cost - Quoted at $4million per mile or more. No problem though, cuz Mexico is paying. Right? The president of the US promised that. Many many many many many many many times. All lies and coincidentally, the same number of times he lied about Mexico paying for it. He also said he loves debt and that's the truth of this - just charge it to our elderly and our descendants.

Many of the most ignorant will say foolish things like "round them up and deport them". Obviously, they don't think that rash statement through. Those same people will also say they are against driver's licenses or other ways of actually tracking undocumented/illegals. Go figure.

So, now that we've covered that, let's get to location, location, location ...

No, the Rio Grande aka Rio Bravo does not belong only to the US. Nor does it belong wholly to Mexico. There are treaties to consider and no, the US does not get to just steal the river, even though drumpf will likely say otherwise.

Almost 1900 miles long, the river flows through three US states and two countries. Its still the third largest US river but has been dammed and polluted until most of what it once was is gone. It is sometimes dry and sometimes floods. There are times when Mexico does not share and times when the US does not.

There's actually a lot of moving parts to this question so ===

Happy reading ... What do you think?

Rio Grande/Rio Bravo

http://www.ibwc.state.gov/CRP/riogrande.htm

Rio Grande - Wikipedia

The wall: Building a continuous US-Mexico barrier would be a tall order

Like most moronic rightwing schemes, the notion of a ‘wall’ is predicated on fear, ignorance, hate, and stupidity – and zero facts.

Like the majority of your posts. This one included. The facts are that mexico pushes its malcontents north to the USA so that they can maintain their corrupt government without fear of the revolution that that country so desperately needs. The facts are that La raza is a group preaching the invasion, and takeover of the lands they claim were stolen from mexico ignoring the fact that after we took them away from them, we then purchased them. Ask yourself why is ten percent of the mexican population (lowest possible estimate) living here in the USA rather than back where they belong?

westwall

Would you mind answering on topic?

If you believe the US should build a wall and that US tax payer's should pay for it, on which side of the Rio Grande/RioBravo river should the wall be built?

Thanks for your answer.

What a retarded question. The wall MUST be built on the US side. Trying to build the wall on Mexican territory would be called an act of war as any person with an intellect greater than a gnat would tell you.

So, you looked at the links, the treaties, the effect this would have on multiple towns, businesses, individuals, the long and short term effect of giving Mexico control of the 3rd largest river in the US that flows through three different states in the US - and so much more and you're fine with that.

Thank you for answering on topic.

 

[westwall]

Herr drumpf has said he wants to take land away from Americans as well as Mexicans. Some Americans agree, though not the ones who would lose their homes!

Then there's the cost - Quoted at $4million per mile or more. No problem though, cuz Mexico is paying. Right? The president of the US promised that. Many many many many many many many times. All lies and coincidentally, the same number of times he lied about Mexico paying for it. He also said he loves debt and that's the truth of this - just charge it to our elderly and our descendants.

Many of the most ignorant will say foolish things like "round them up and deport them". Obviously, they don't think that rash statement through. Those same people will also say they are against driver's licenses or other ways of actually tracking undocumented/illegals. Go figure.

So, now that we've covered that, let's get to location, location, location ...

No, the Rio Grande aka Rio Bravo does not belong only to the US. Nor does it belong wholly to Mexico. There are treaties to consider and no, the US does not get to just steal the river, even though drumpf will likely say otherwise.

Almost 1900 miles long, the river flows through three US states and two countries. Its still the third largest US river but has been dammed and polluted until most of what it once was is gone. It is sometimes dry and sometimes floods. There are times when Mexico does not share and times when the US does not.

There's actually a lot of moving parts to this question so ===

Happy reading ... What do you think?

Rio Grande/Rio Bravo

http://www.ibwc.state.gov/CRP/riogrande.htm

Rio Grande - Wikipedia

The wall: Building a continuous US-Mexico barrier would be a tall order

Like most moronic rightwing schemes, the notion of a ‘wall’ is predicated on fear, ignorance, hate, and stupidity – and zero facts.

Like the majority of your posts. This one included. The facts are that mexico pushes its malcontents north to the USA so that they can maintain their corrupt government without fear of the revolution that that country so desperately needs. The facts are that La raza is a group preaching the invasion, and takeover of the lands they claim were stolen from mexico ignoring the fact that after we took them away from them, we then purchased them. Ask yourself why is ten percent of the mexican population (lowest possible estimate) living here in the USA rather than back where they belong?

westwall

Would you mind answering on topic?

If you believe the US should build a wall and that US tax payer's should pay for it, on which side of the Rio Grande/RioBravo river should the wall be built?

Thanks for your answer.

What a retarded question. The wall MUST be built on the US side. Trying to build the wall on Mexican territory would be called an act of war as any person with an intellect greater than a gnat would tell you.

So, you looked at the links, the treaties, the effect this would have on multiple towns, businesses, individuals, the long and short term effect of giving Mexico control of the 3rd largest river in the US that flows through three different states in the US - and so much more and you're fine with that.

Thank you for answering on topic.

None of the links you provide give any support for their alarmist position. It is all opinion based on arm waving and nothing more.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Where do you want to put The Wall?

Up Trump's wazooo

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Like most moronic rightwing schemes, the notion of a ‘wall’ is predicated on fear, ignorance, hate, and stupidity – and zero facts.

Like the majority of your posts. This one included. The facts are that mexico pushes its malcontents north to the USA so that they can maintain their corrupt government without fear of the revolution that that country so desperately needs. The facts are that La raza is a group preaching the invasion, and takeover of the lands they claim were stolen from mexico ignoring the fact that after we took them away from them, we then purchased them. Ask yourself why is ten percent of the mexican population (lowest possible estimate) living here in the USA rather than back where they belong?

westwall

Would you mind answering on topic?

If you believe the US should build a wall and that US tax payer's should pay for it, on which side of the Rio Grande/RioBravo river should the wall be built?

Thanks for your answer.

What a retarded question. The wall MUST be built on the US side. Trying to build the wall on Mexican territory would be called an act of war as any person with an intellect greater than a gnat would tell you.

So, you looked at the links, the treaties, the effect this would have on multiple towns, businesses, individuals, the long and short term effect of giving Mexico control of the 3rd largest river in the US that flows through three different states in the US - and so much more and you're fine with that.

Thank you for answering on topic.

None of the links you provide give any support for their alarmist position. It is all opinion based on arm waving and nothing more.

No, actually, they're nothing of the kind. In FACT, only one contains opinions.

Sadly, most people make up their mind without ever considering the facts of this issue. And, RWNJs have avoided facts in this thread as well. Not even one of them was willing to approach the issue armed with facts.

But hopefully, some will at least think about what's involved. Or not.

 

[MaryL]

How much does it cost to immigrate legally? I know a few Europeans that fled communism and they paid the price, lawyers and such. Mexicans aren't fleeing communism or death. Mexicans live next door, they think creeping and sneaking is the same as fleeing? I don't think so. Don't kid your self. "Mexican" so called immigrants aren't fleeing death squads, they are economic refugees. Don't we already have enough POOR that need jobs here already?

It is our public policies that are causing many of the problems of Latin America.

This is just an abstraction leading to a rationalization. Neither of which I accept. Besides naive fools, the only people supporting illegal immigrants are "Hispanic' immigrants right activists (enough PC terms for ya?) or the puppet masters behind this fiasco to begin with, the assholes that hire illegals.and destroy communities and wreck society for their short term short sighted PROFIT. Those are real bad guys in this mess. They neither have to live with the negative consequences nor do they care, and they play both sides of the issue by pretending to be humanitarian and they exploit these poor dumb bastards for profit at the same time.

 

[longknife]

How much does it cost to immigrate legally? I know a few Europeans that fled communism and they paid the price, lawyers and such. Mexicans aren't fleeing communism or death. Mexicans live next door, they think creeping and sneaking is the same as fleeing? I don't think so. Don't kid your self. "Mexican" so called immigrants aren't fleeing death squads, they are economic refugees. Don't we already have enough POOR that need jobs here already?

It is our public policies that are causing many of the problems of Latin America.

Whoa! Where the hell do you get that? Do you know anything about the political, social, economic, and cultural situation in any of the Central and South American countries? Do you know anything about their histories?

If so, please inform us - with links - of any US programs or policies that force people from those countries to flee and come here!

If you can.

 

[longknife]

How much does it cost to immigrate legally? I know a few Europeans that fled communism and they paid the price, lawyers and such. Mexicans aren't fleeing communism or death. Mexicans live next door, they think creeping and sneaking is the same as fleeing? I don't think so. Don't kid your self. "Mexican" so called immigrants aren't fleeing death squads, they are economic refugees. Don't we already have enough POOR that need jobs here already?

Where do get this stuff?

Do you really believe that other refugees in history, other parts of the world, do you really believe they did not "creep and sneak"?

The US destroyed Mexico's economy. Now we invite them to come here to work and to sell drugs.

The question is, IF you believe we should guild a wall, which side of the border do you believe it should built on?

The US destroyed Mexico's economy. Now we invite them to come here to work and to sell drugs.

Oh my God! Another loonie who has no idea what he's talking about! Do you have the faintest idea of Mexican history? If you're so smart, give us some specifics with links.

If you can.

 

[longknife]

Herr drumpf has said he wants to take land away from Americans as well as Mexicans. Some Americans agree, though not the ones who would lose their homes!

Then there's the cost - Quoted at $4million per mile or more. No problem though, cuz Mexico is paying. Right? The president of the US promised that. Many many many many many many many times. All lies and coincidentally, the same number of times he lied about Mexico paying for it. He also said he loves debt and that's the truth of this - just charge it to our elderly and our descendants.

Many of the most ignorant will say foolish things like "round them up and deport them". Obviously, they don't think that rash statement through. Those same people will also say they are against driver's licenses or other ways of actually tracking undocumented/illegals. Go figure.

So, now that we've covered that, let's get to location, location, location ...

No, the Rio Grande aka Rio Bravo does not belong only to the US. Nor does it belong wholly to Mexico. There are treaties to consider and no, the US does not get to just steal the river, even though drumpf will likely say otherwise.

Almost 1900 miles long, the river flows through three US states and two countries. Its still the third largest US river but has been dammed and polluted until most of what it once was is gone. It is sometimes dry and sometimes floods. There are times when Mexico does not share and times when the US does not.

There's actually a lot of moving parts to this question so ===

Happy reading ... What do you think?

Rio Grande/Rio Bravo

http://www.ibwc.state.gov/CRP/riogrande.htm

Rio Grande - Wikipedia

The wall: Building a continuous US-Mexico barrier would be a tall order

Like most moronic rightwing schemes, the notion of a ‘wall’ is predicated on fear, ignorance, hate, and stupidity – and zero facts.

Like the majority of your posts. This one included. The facts are that mexico pushes its malcontents north to the USA so that they can maintain their corrupt government without fear of the revolution that that country so desperately needs. The facts are that La raza is a group preaching the invasion, and takeover of the lands they claim were stolen from mexico ignoring the fact that after we took them away from them, we then purchased them. Ask yourself why is ten percent of the mexican population (lowest possible estimate) living here in the USA rather than back where they belong?

Another pile of looney bull poop.

 

[MaryL]

How much does it cost to immigrate legally? I know a few Europeans that fled communism and they paid the price, lawyers and such. Mexicans aren't fleeing communism or death. Mexicans live next door, they think creeping and sneaking is the same as fleeing? I don't think so. Don't kid your self. "Mexican" so called immigrants aren't fleeing death squads, they are economic refugees. Don't we already have enough POOR that need jobs here already?

Where do get this stuff?

Do you really believe that other refugees in history, other parts of the world, do you really believe they did not "creep and sneak"?

The US destroyed Mexico's economy. Now we invite them to come here to work and to sell drugs.

The question is, IF you believe we should guild a wall, which side of the border do you believe it should built on?

The US destroyed Mexico's economy. Now we invite them to come here to work and to sell drugs.

Oh my God! Another loonie who has no idea what he's talking about! Do you have the faintest idea of Mexican history? If you're so smart, give us some specifics with links.

If you can.

Take a chill pill, brother. Mexico is inherently a self destructive corrupt society. If America had never existed, Mexico would still an corrupt self destructive society. Besides: NO BODY IS ABOVE THE LAW. Not even Mexicans. So lay off the obfuscations and mind games.

 

[longknife]

The border between El Paso (del Norte) and Juarez

 

[MaryL]

Illegal immigration is more about exploitation, not so much about humanitarianism. People are exploiting illegals, they gain wealth from that, and they hide under the skirts of human rights activists that are defending illegal aliens. It's appalling. And it's tearing apart our culture, people must be morons or blind not to notice that. I don't think we need walls or closed borders, what we DO need is employers to be held accountable to immigration laws as they exist now. For people that created this mess to begin with, that their feet be held to the fire. Focus on the people that hire illegal aliens, without scruples. that will put a end to this big time.

 

[Correll]

No, you are the one who doesn't have the balls to ask the question in a honest manner without tons of spin.

Correll

You say we should build a wall.

So, given the givens, answer the question.

Build on Mexico's land? Or US land?

i disagree with your givens. You want to just ask the question without spin? Or would that ruin the whole point for you?

Correll

You posted that you believe we should build a wall. You even posted an adorable meme to help you make your point.

If you cannot answer the question, just say so.

If I have missed salient points, please enlighten me.

What are the factors you believe I missed?

You want a wall. Where do you believe it should be built?

What factors do I believe you missed?

Oh, the costs to America and Americans of allowing unchecked and unvetted Third World Immigration. For one.

Leaving that out of the cost/benefit analysis just shows that you are not serious about the question, but just here to spew vile lefty propaganda.

If you would like to discuss that, by all means, start a thread. This thread is not about that at all.

Wow. You admit you want to talk about the potential negative impact of the wall, without any discussion on the positive impacts of a wall.


Incredible.

You just admitted that your question was not serious and was just complete bullshit propaganda.


DO YOU REALIZE THAT?

 

[Correll]

Like the majority of your posts. This one included. The facts are that mexico pushes its malcontents north to the USA so that they can maintain their corrupt government without fear of the revolution that that country so desperately needs. The facts are that La raza is a group preaching the invasion, and takeover of the lands they claim were stolen from mexico ignoring the fact that after we took them away from them, we then purchased them. Ask yourself why is ten percent of the mexican population (lowest possible estimate) living here in the USA rather than back where they belong?

westwall

Would you mind answering on topic?

If you believe the US should build a wall and that US tax payer's should pay for it, on which side of the Rio Grande/RioBravo river should the wall be built?

Thanks for your answer.

What a retarded question. The wall MUST be built on the US side. Trying to build the wall on Mexican territory would be called an act of war as any person with an intellect greater than a gnat would tell you.

So, you looked at the links, the treaties, the effect this would have on multiple towns, businesses, individuals, the long and short term effect of giving Mexico control of the 3rd largest river in the US that flows through three different states in the US - and so much more and you're fine with that.

Thank you for answering on topic.

None of the links you provide give any support for their alarmist position. It is all opinion based on arm waving and nothing more.

No, actually, they're nothing of the kind. In FACT, only one contains opinions.

Sadly, most people make up their mind without ever considering the facts of this issue. And, RWNJs have avoided facts in this thread as well. Not even one of them was willing to approach the issue armed with facts.

But hopefully, some will at least think about what's involved. Or not.

Says the man who has plainly stated that he does not want any discussion of the benefits of the wall discussed in this thread.

LOL!!!

 

[danielpalos]

1. If they live their illegally is it technically legal for them to own property. Like if Trump says the rule for everyone is that is you are caught living here illegally you immediately will be deported. That's the flaw in that argument for usage it's easy to prove that it's illegal to have property if the baseline is its illegal to even be on our soil no matter where you reside.

It is a matter of priority. First degrees should go, first.

What do you mean who are first degrees?

are you on the right?

we have limited resources. those convicted in the first degree, should go first.

 

[danielpalos]

Herr drumpf has said he wants to take land away from Americans as well as Mexicans. Some Americans agree, though not the ones who would lose their homes!

Then there's the cost - Quoted at $4million per mile or more. No problem though, cuz Mexico is paying. Right? The president of the US promised that. Many many many many many many many times. All lies and coincidentally, the same number of times he lied about Mexico paying for it. He also said he loves debt and that's the truth of this - just charge it to our elderly and our descendants.

Many of the most ignorant will say foolish things like "round them up and deport them". Obviously, they don't think that rash statement through. Those same people will also say they are against driver's licenses or other ways of actually tracking undocumented/illegals. Go figure.

So, now that we've covered that, let's get to location, location, location ...

No, the Rio Grande aka Rio Bravo does not belong only to the US. Nor does it belong wholly to Mexico. There are treaties to consider and no, the US does not get to just steal the river, even though drumpf will likely say otherwise.

Almost 1900 miles long, the river flows through three US states and two countries. Its still the third largest US river but has been dammed and polluted until most of what it once was is gone. It is sometimes dry and sometimes floods. There are times when Mexico does not share and times when the US does not.

There's actually a lot of moving parts to this question so ===

Happy reading ... What do you think?

Rio Grande/Rio Bravo

http://www.ibwc.state.gov/CRP/riogrande.htm

Rio Grande - Wikipedia

The wall: Building a continuous US-Mexico barrier would be a tall order

1. It's not taking land away if the 12-30 MILLION Mexican Nationals living and working "undocumented/illegally" in the US claim that land for their legal residency.

2. And instead of "just building a wall"
why not build entire city complexes and campus development
for military bases and teaching hospitals, factory jobs and educational and social services:

Earned Amnesty

This can be a WIN WIN situation.
Why not create jobs and work opportunities under a collaborative plan that both immigrant workers/families, businesses and church charities, AND law enforcement/govt would support?

emilynghiem

I have often posted win/win solutions. This particular post is about the location of the wall - Do "you" believe it should be built on American land, land that is owned by American citizens? Or on land owned by Mexico?



1. It's not taking land away if the 12-30 MILLION Mexican Nationals living and working "undocumented/illegally" in the US claim that land for their legal residency.

1. If they live their illegally is it technically legal for them to own property. Like if Trump says the rule for everyone is that is you are caught living here illegally you immediately will be deported. That's the flaw in that argument for usage it's easy to prove that it's illegal to have property if the baseline is its illegal to even be on our soil no matter where you reside.

emilynghiem
Daysahead

Americans own land along the border and along the river.

Americans.

Not Mexicans.

Americans.

The question is, do "you" believe the wall should be built on land owned by America/Americans or on land owned by Mexico/Mexicans?

I posted links outlining some of the issues involved in building on either side.

I would say that it would be best to build it on land ,why would be build it on their land?

they have Home Depot in Mexico now; should we insist they, at least, buy American ladders?

 

[danielpalos]

There is no need for a physical wall any longer, and Trump should understand this now. It is a matter of stopping the draw here from within, and the making good on existing immigration laws, deport criminals, and shore up the border with technology, gaurd towers strategically placed, man power given the ability to do their jobs, and arrest American's who stand in the way of any of this. Americans standing in the way of this nation applying immigration law will be arrested. Enough is enough.

IOW, what President Obama did.

I agree that what he did all but solved the problem. Thanks for posting.

Guard towers were tried. Didn't work and the poor BP agents damn near died in them. The last I saw, they were laying on the ground along the highway.

Neither did night vision helicopters. Very expensive and now just sitting next to other aircraft the US doesn't use. Google Earth the Pima Air Museum. They might still be sitting there.

. The fact that we have thousands crossing illegally a year, and drugs flowing freely still, uh is a poor assessment of Obama's securing the border. The excuses won't work any longer, and the sanctuary cities are gonna be sanctioned for their roles in the draw. It's over, and it's just a matter of time now.

we may have a new administration, before all of the litigation ends.

 

[danielpalos]

1. If they live their illegally is it technically legal for them to own property. Like if Trump says the rule for everyone is that is you are caught living here illegally you immediately will be deported. That's the flaw in that argument for usage it's easy to prove that it's illegal to have property if the baseline is its illegal to even be on our soil no matter where you reside.

It is a matter of priority. First degrees should go, first.

What do you mean who are first degrees?

Danielpalos is purposefully obtuse for two reasons. 1. he thinks it makes him sound smarter. and 2. to hide his real agenda, which is that he is a loyal Mexican.

i merely have some clue and some Cause; unlike the right wing. all they have is, nothing but repeal instead of better solutions at lower cost.