When did Junk Plans become Junk Plans

[JoeB131]

The Categorization you place- fetuses weighing 500 KG - is such a rare event to be statistically insignifigant.

One out of four Americans having inadequate health coverage is VERY signifigant, and EVERY other advanced country and a few non-advanced ones beat us in the Infant Mortality stat.

Do you really believe that people in the UK have adequate health coverage under NHS?

He does, but then Joe has NEVER been very bright.

The British believe it... The NHS remains very popular and something they are quite proud of.

 

[Antares]

Do you really believe that people in the UK have adequate health coverage under NHS?

He does, but then Joe has NEVER been very bright.

The British believe it... The NHS remains very popular and something they are quite proud of.

Perhaps, but they its "free" too.

 

[JoeB131]

and that's a bad thing, why?

I think that's really the essense of this argument, isn't it.

Should health care be a "right" that everyone should have access to,


or

Is it a consumer commodity, and if you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it?

Most of the world decided it is the former.

We for some reason cling to the notion that it should be the latter- that we should let a poor child die of a treatable disease because she will never produce enough profit in her entire life to pay it back.

 

[Antares]

It isn't free....tell you what...pitch Single Payor honestly and tell everyone about that 50% tax rate....let's see how it flies Joe.

 

[JoeB131]

It isn't free....tell you what...pitch Single Payor honestly and tell everyone about that 50% tax rate....let's see how it flies Joe.

It wouldn't need to be anywhere NEAR a 50% tax rate.

This is kind of what you guys don't get. We ALREADY spend more than any other country in the world for those bad results I keep talking about.

BUt because we have all these greedy little groups with their hands out- Big Pharma, Big Insurance, etc... we spend more and get worse results.

We already spend 17% of our GDP on health care. By comparison, Japan spends 8% of it's GDP.

The Japanese cover everyone, they live longer, have a lower infant mortality rate, and so on.

 

[Antares]

Japan50% (40% national + 10% local)

Israel 52%

Norway47.8%

United Kingdom 45%

List of countries by tax rates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are dismissed

 

[Antares]

Canada 54.75% (federal + provincial)
15%-29% (federal) + 5%-25.75% (provincial)[45][

 

[Antares]

Cuba 50%

Say uncle.

 

[Antares]

Junk plans?

Anything below Silver is a junk plan.

 

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Please, let's not repeat the same bullcrap.

I'll just go the first.

The Myth of Americans' Poor Life Expectancy - Forbes

It’s one of the most oft-repeated justifications for socialized medicine: Americans spend more money than other developed countries on health care, but don’t live as long. If we would just hop on the European health-care bandwagon, we’d live longer and healthier lives. The only problem is it’s not true.

Gee, the magazine written for rich jagoffs doesn't see health inequality as a problem. Why am I not surprised.

The U.S. ranks 26th for life expectancy, right behind Slovenia

Not anymore: A new report out this morning from the OECD shows that the United States' average lifespan has fallen one year behind the international average, lower than Canada and Germany, more akin to the Czech Republic and Poland.

Now you are spinning. The reasons were listed.

One clear reason is the fact that we tend to shoot each other. Take that out of the equation and guess what ?

You missed that ?

Or are you just being dishonest ?

 

[Listening]

People in countries with Single Payer-

Live Longer
Have a lower infant mortality rate
Spend less per person
Have fewer folks going bankrupt because of medical crisis.

Please, let's not repeat the same bullcrap.

I'll just go the first.

The Myth of Americans' Poor Life Expectancy - Forbes

It’s one of the most oft-repeated justifications for socialized medicine: Americans spend more money than other developed countries on health care, but don’t live as long. If we would just hop on the European health-care bandwagon, we’d live longer and healthier lives. The only problem is it’s not true.

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Another point worth making is that people die for other reasons than health. For example, people die because of car accidents and violent crime. A few years back, Robert Ohsfeldt of Texas A&M and John Schneider of the University of Iowa asked the obvious question: what happens if you remove deaths from fatal injuries from the life expectancy tables? Among the 29 members of the OECD, the U.S. vaults from 19th place to…you guessed it…first. Japan, on the same adjustment, drops from first to ninth.

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So.....horsecrap.

Let's see, should we believe doctors or Avik Roy who served as an analyst and portfolio manager at J.P. Morgan, Bain Capital, and other firms?

American life expectancy at birth ranks 30th in the world. We remain 30th for the rest of our lives -- until we reach 65. Then, our rank rises until we reach 14th at 80. We can thank the remarkable access to health care provided by Medicare

Completely ignores causation.

Typical.

 

[Spiderman]

ONLY 60% of bankruptcies were comprised of medical bills. Fantastic system there

And were the medical bills the primary cause or merely one of the debts listed?

 

[Spiderman]

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And show the numbers that it is insignificant. Just because you say it is doesn't make it so.

I'm sorry, it's like fucking arguing the sky is blue.

The problem with you conservatards is that the vast majority of you are just wedded to dogma and ignore science. EVERY study that has looked at this thing comes to the same conclusion.

That for the country that spends the MOST out of all countries in the world, we have pretty shitty results.

U.S. has highest first-day infant mortality out of industrialized world, group reports - CBS News

Because of their high infant mortality rates, the U.S. only ranked number 30 this year on the report, down five spots from the 2012 report. Save the Children CEO Carolyn Miles told CBSNews.com she was shocked to find that out that the U.S. did so poorly.

"We do not do as well on many of those as the Scandinavian countries," Miles admitted.

The 2013 edition focused on newborn mortality rates on the first day. The report's authors stated that the first 24 hours of a child's life are the riskiest.

The US counts every birth as a live birth.

Many countries call infant death in the first 24 hours still born even if it had a heartbeat.

40% of all infant death occurs in the first 24 hours of life.

That one difference right there will have the US infant mortality rate 40% higher than many other countries.

So stop being such an idiot and admit that there are differences between the methods of different countries.

 

[JoeB131]

Japan50% (40% national + 10% local)

Israel 52%

Norway47.8%

United Kingdom 45%

List of countries by tax rates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are dismissed

yeah, so?

If you add up what Americans pay in taxes PLUS what Americans are paying for health care through private plans... you get pretty close to the 50% level as well.

Of course, the Zionist entity doesn't have a 52% tax rate because they provide health care.

They have a 52% tax rate because they are an armed camp surrounded by people who don't want them there and are ready to murder them at a moment's notice.

Also, what you listed is the MAX tax rate- the rate paid by the richest people.

That same chart lists the United States as 55.9% as the max for the wealthy if you count state and local.

 

[JoeB131]

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The US counts every birth as a live birth.

Many countries call infant death in the first 24 hours still born even if it had a heartbeat.

40% of all infant death occurs in the first 24 hours of life.

That one difference right there will have the US infant mortality rate 40% higher than many other countries.

So stop being such an idiot and admit that there are differences between the methods of different countries.

You can keep repeating the mantra, doesn't make it true.

Reality- we have infant mortality rate of a third world country because a large portion of our population has third world health care.

 

[JoeB131]

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Now you are spinning. The reasons were listed.

One clear reason is the fact that we tend to shoot each other. Take that out of the equation and guess what ?

You missed that ?

Or are you just being dishonest ?

Did you just advocate gun control, Mormon Boy?

No, we have a lower life expectency because 1 out of 4 Americans don't have access to health care.

Period.

It's really not fucking complicated.

 

[Spiderman]

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The US counts every birth as a live birth.

Many countries call infant death in the first 24 hours still born even if it had a heartbeat.

40% of all infant death occurs in the first 24 hours of life.

That one difference right there will have the US infant mortality rate 40% higher than many other countries.

So stop being such an idiot and admit that there are differences between the methods of different countries.

You can keep repeating the mantra, doesn't make it true.

Reality- we have infant mortality rate of a third world country because a large portion of our population has third world health care.

I have linked to sources that say it's true.

If some countries count all infant deaths in the first 24 hours as still birth of course they will have a lower infant mortality rate.

even a fucking moron like you should be able to see that.

 

[JoeB131]

you linked to sources that are shit, and I ignored them.

I am always amazed that people who will never be rich spout the rich's talking point so gleefully...

 

[Spiderman]

you linked to sources that are shit, and I ignored them.

I am always amazed that people who will never be rich spout the rich's talking point so gleefully...

This has nothing to do with rich or poor you twit.

It has to do with statistics and comparing apples to apples.

 

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Now you are spinning. The reasons were listed.

One clear reason is the fact that we tend to shoot each other. Take that out of the equation and guess what ?

You missed that ?

Or are you just being dishonest ?

Did you just advocate gun control, Mormon Boy?

No, we have a lower life expectency because 1 out of 4 Americans don't have access to health care.

Period.

It's really not fucking complicated.

Denying the facts won't make you live less longer.....

But we can still hope.