What's Wrong with American Health Care

[Calypso Jones]

The Gov't has been after Insurance company reserves for decades. it's not a secret.

but okay you're gonna sit there and tell me that the federal gov't is not too big and cumbersome and endangering our rights every single day. So you're a liberal...what the hell happened to you?

 

[Flash]

I worked in medical billing for 9 years.

I can tell you EXACTLY whats wrong with this countrys healthcare system.

You mean all the goddamn welfare queens that get free health care and the rest of us have to pay for it?

 

[Anathema]

Since you just threw personal responsibility out there for...reasons, I have to ask, what the fuck are you talking about?

It’s everyone’s responsibility to care for themselves. To pay for their own care. It’s not the Government’s job to be involved in health or medical care in any way.

They have the power to raise taxes. The end.

Article I, Section 8 SEVERELY LIMITS what those taxes can be spent on. Healthcare and medicine are not on that list.,

Yeah, well who cares.

Those individuals who want my vote better care.

 

[multivita-man]

It’s everyone’s responsibility to care for themselves. To pay for their own care. It’s not the Government’s job to be involved in health or medical care in any way.

Without insurance, you're a car accident away from being in the poor house.

Article I, Section 8 SEVERELY LIMITS what those taxes can be spent on.

You're not a constitutional lawyer, so no it doesn't.

 

[gipper]

Aside from greedy doctors, naricssistic nurses, and oblivious orderlies.............
You've got greedmongering corporations buying out or squashing, as many honest doctor practices as they can.
"Healthcare" corporations don't want ANYBODY getting medical care or health care UNLESS THEY APPROVE IT!

Sure there are SOME good medical professionals out there, but more often than not.......you're going to end up with a pill pushing "yes" man/woman to their corporate overlords. Instead of fixing whats wrong with you, they're just gonna throw some pills at it, prolong it, and drag it out until you need a hospital visit or die..........because these corporate managed doctors and nurses are only allowed to do and say what their overlords tell them too. Which is "push the pills" and "drag it out".

But why the high cost of medicine?
Administration. Paper pushers, button punchers, keyboard jockeys. Over 50% of the medical administration and billing offices/services in healthcare are unskilled, untrained, and uncaring workers. They can't be bothered to hire intelligent, well trained, and knowledgable people. Although they do "luck out" sometimes in hiring a few here and there, like me.........but when we see how corrupt and assbackwards, uncaring, unfeeling, and demonic these companies are, we go someplace else. Not that it really changes anything.

But instead of attracting and hiring well trained and educated people for administrative work, they hire "off the street". And they don't train them either. "Training" consists of giving them their passwords, setting up their work station, and then telling them to "figure it out".

Instead of paying competent people to do the work they already know how to do, they hire three times as many off the street, in order to "make do".

And since Obozo was in office, more and more of these "healthcare" companies are shutting down their US administrative and billing offices and sending it all over to India. India.........where they DO NOT have HIPAA laws, and sell OUR private information to all sorts of scammers. These places in India these companies are sending our private information to don't care about it either. If they can make money off of OUR pain and suffering, they are more than happy to do it.

BY LAW, our personal information is NOT supposed to leave OUR borders, but every day it does.......and has for many, many years now.

Ever wonder how all these scammers get your information? Now you know.

The waste of time, personnel, managers, office resources, office buildings, wages, benefits, etc.....has become an astronomical expense of these companies, simply because they refuse to pay above average wages for TRAINED employees that KNOW the business. Instead of hiring ONE knowledgable, competent, TRAINED employee for $30 an hour........companies would rather hire 50 off the street employees at $10 an hour, to do all the work of that one single highly trained employee.

And the fuckups these low wage, off the street employees make all day, every day..........costs the company hundreds of thousands of dollars a week! And that is NOT counting the wasted wages and benefits they get as well!

Next time you get a letter or statement from your doctor office or the healthcare company..........KEEP IT! That piece of paper costs YOU THE CUSTOMER, on average, of $250.00 - $500.00 for processing!

So remember that next time the nurse gives you a $60 aspirin tablet........when a bottle of 100 tablets only costs $1.25 at the dollar store!!!!!

Well said and I couldn’t agree more.

I’ve known for at least three decades HC in this country is nothing if not a scam. When doctors receive huge bonuses and commissions for pushing harmful drugs and failed treatments, all Americans should know the system is a scam.

 

[dblack]

Without insurance, you're a car accident away from being in the poor house.

Fuck insurance. Or, rather, fuck what health insurance has become.

The basic concept of insurance is fine - it's a hedge against risk. Insurance is for catastrophes that are very unlikely to happen. It gives you some financial cushion of they do.

But health insurance has become something altogether different. It's no longer catastrophic insurance to cover you in emergencies, it's a credit card with which to buy health care. It's the price of admission. It's a club that, in exchange for a hefty monthly fee, agrees to pay for all (or most) of your health care costs. Once you're in one of these clubs, you're golden. You love it because you don't have to worry about healthcare expenses, and doctors love you because you don't give one shit how much their services cost. "Put it on my tab!"

Of course this causes healthcare prices to grow, largely unchecked. The insurance companies push back as they can, but ultimately they don't care because they've regulated themselves a captive audience. They are the gatekeepers. We will pay what they ask.

This creates two classes of healthcare consumers: people who can't get insurance (and can't afford healthcare) - who don't care what their healthcare costs because, if they can get it at all, someone else will be paying for it. And people who have insurance and don't care what their healthcare costs because, as long as they are insured, someone else will be paying for it.

Notice the common trait of these two types of healthcare consumers: "... don't care what their healthcare costs because ... someone else will be paying for it." There's no way a market can persist with such a skewed incentive structure. That's what's wrong with healthcare. It drives every other dysfunction.

 

[multivita-man]

Fuck insurance. Or, rather, fuck what health insurance has become.

The basic concept of insurance is fine - it's a hedge against risk. Insurance is for catastrophes that are very unlikely to happen. It gives you some financial cushion of they do.

But health insurance has become something altogether different. It's no longer catastrophic insurance to cover you in emergencies, it's a credit card with which to buy health care. It's the price of admission. It's a club that, in exchange for a hefty monthly fee, agrees to pay for all (or most) of your health care costs. Once you're in one of these clubs, you're golden. You love it because you don't have to worry about healthcare expenses, and doctors love you because you don't give one shit how much their services cost. "Put it on my tab!"

Of course this causes healthcare prices to grow, largely unchecked. The insurance companies push back as they can, but ultimately they don't care because they've regulated themselves a captive audience. They are the gatekeepers. We will pay what they ask.

This creates two classes of healthcare consumers: people who can't get insurance (and can't afford healthcare) - who don't care what their healthcare costs because, if they can get it at all, someone else will be paying for it. And people who have insurance and don't care what their healthcare costs because, as long as they are insured, someone else will be paying for it.

Notice the common trait of these two types of healthcare consumers: "... don't care what their healthcare costs because ... someone else will be paying for it." There's no way a market can persist with such a skewed incentive structure. That's what's wrong with healthcare. It drives every other dysfunction.

Yeah anyway, other countries have figured this out (kinda like gun control and other shit we stubbornly get wrong). Single payer medical system. Mostly public hospitals but with private option.

 

[San Souci]

I used to be against government involvement in healthcare but having lived in a country with it, having had a grandmother in another country with it, and knowing a lot of expats from other countries, it's pretty obvious that the US healthcare system is a broken system.

It's not just greedy pharma; there's serious greed in the health systems (hospitals) and insurance companies. Doctors prescribe only what hospitals and insurance companies can agree on what kind of treatment gets paid for. If the insurers won't pay for it, you don't get it - even if it's the best treatment option.

We need a system of public/private hospitals with public hospitals being free of charge (well, not totally free b/c taxes would pay for them). Private care for anyone who doesn't want to use public hospitals. It works elsewhere. Would probably work here if voters had the patience to allow to work.

That's the part I'm doubtful of, though. No politician wants to break a system, however badly it's failing, and possibly replace it with something that might take some time to work out the wrinkles. So I guess our system will just have to completely break first before any real change is made.

Gov't Healthcare? Some PAY while all Benefit? That is Socialism. SUCKS. Healthcare is NOT a Right. It is a personal Responsibility. Why should MY TAX go up to pay for my neighbor?

 

[San Souci]

Yeah anyway, other countries have figured this out (kinda like gun control and other shit we stubbornly get wrong). Single payer medical system. Mostly public hospitals but with private option.

Figures YOU would want that ,Bernie.

 

[multivita-man]

Figures YOU would want that ,Bernie.

Because it works.

p.s. I didn't vote for Bernie in 2016 or 2020, but he's not always wrong.

 

[multivita-man]

Gov't Healthcare? Some PAY while all Benefit? That is Socialism. SUCKS.

Yeah, whatever. More brainwashed ZOMG! Socialism crap.

Healthcare is NOT a Right. It is a personal Responsibility. Why should MY TAX go up to pay for my neighbor?

You're a dumbass. In every country where healthcare is regarded as a "right", the people pay less for healthcare. Treating healthcare as a right to receive care, rather than a right for globalist corporations to profit from sickness, is the smart, high-IQ policy. If you say otherwise, then you side with greedy globalist corporations who use the system to reap riches off of middle class/working class illness and injury.

 

[San Souci]

Yeah, whatever. More brainwashed ZOMG! Socialism crap.



You're a dumbass. In every country where healthcare is regarded as a "right", the people pay less for healthcare. Treating healthcare as a right to receive care, rather than a right for globalist corporations to profit from sickness, is the smart, high-IQ policy. If you say otherwise, then you side with greedy globalist corporations who use the system to reap riches off of middle class/working class illness and injury.

But they pay SCADS more in TAX. Besides , I have MY HC. I don't give a shit about others. Besides there is Medicaid. Those who have no insurance can get basic HC there.

 

[multivita-man]

But they pay SCADS more in TAX. Besides , I have MY HC. I don't give a shit about others. Besides there is Medicaid. Those who have no insurance can get basic HC there.

We get it. But that's not how other countries' healthcare systems work. They actually do care about others, and guess what, pop-tart: they have longer life expectancy. Fuck, even developing countries with half our wealth have longer life expectancy.

Capitalism. Consumerism. Moneyism. It's destroying our planet, and it's destroying lives. End that fucken shit. I don't give a fuck if you don't agree or don't like it.

 

[San Souci]

We get it. But that's not how other countries' healthcare systems work. They actually do care about others, and guess what, pop-tart: they have longer life expectancy. Fuck, even developing countries with half our wealth have longer life expectancy.

Capitalism. Consumerism. Moneyism. It's destroying our planet, and it's destroying lives. End that fucken shit. I don't give a fuck if you don't agree or don't like it.

Good. Rather have the world die than go Socialist.

 

[Anathema]

Without insurance, you're a car accident away from being in the poor house

Insurance is fine, so long as it’s not from the Government. My wife is 100% disabled due to PTSD. The first thing we did after we got married were to get her off Medicare / Medicaid and onto my employer provided medical insurance. The next was to get her off SSDI.

You're not a constitutional lawyer, so no it doesn't

If you think one needs to be a lawyer to read the plain text of that Section, you must not have much reading comprehension ability. It’s pretty clear to me.

 

[Anathema]

We get it. But that's not how other countries' healthcare systems work. They actually do care about others, and guess what, pop-tart: they have longer life expectancy. Fuck, even developing countries with half our wealth have longer life expectancy

The length of life is far less important than the quality of it a life has no quality when it is propped up and supported by the Government.

 

[multivita-man]

The length of life is far less important than the quality of it a life has no quality when it is propped up and supported by the Government.

You should travel more. Read more.

 

[multivita-man]

Insurance is fine, so long as it’s not from the Government. My wife is 100% disabled due to PTSD. The first thing we did after we got married were to get her off Medicare / Medicaid and onto my employer provided medical insurance. The next was to get her off SSDI.

I have no problem with that - your choice. But not everyone has that option.

If you think one needs to be a lawyer to read the plain text of that Section, you must not have much reading comprehension ability. It’s pretty clear to me.

I'm sure it is, Anathema. I'm sure it is, lol.

 

[Anathema]

You should travel more. Read more.

I read plenty. My personal library includes more than 600 individual titles, mostly non-fiction.

I don’t travel because most of the people and places I’d want to see and meet no longer exist.

 

[PeterPilot]

Imprimus is a monthly publication of Hillsdale College, which is probably the leading 'conservative' college in the US today.
It's the transcription of monthly speakers that the College has. (Note: it's FREE! Every patriot should be on the mailing list.)

When I got the latest Imprimus, and saw that it was a talk by a doctor on what's wrong with US health care, I assumed it would be
about Obama care, and would propose a free-market alternative. But, boy, was I wrong!

It's actually a very interesting, very well-informed analysis of what is wrong with medicine in the US today, with respect to its relationship with the big drug companies ... 'Big Pharma'. Really, everyone, Left or Right, should read this.

[ America’s Broken Health Care: Diagnosis and Prescription ]

This is why a new very descriptive term has evolved, The Medical Industrial Complex. It welcomed the Plandemic with open arms.