What would you do with the second amendment?

[Richard-H]

The 2nd Amendment has magical powers to prevent security issues. Praise Odin.

why have a right to keep and bear Arms, right wingers.

Because the Constitution, the ultimate law of the land states, I have the right to. End of conversation

The express purpose for that right, is in the first clause.

No its the prefatory clause it's just an introduction, the operative clause is the functional part of the 2nd Amendment "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed",

Only Congress may write words on formerly blank pieces of paper and them enacted as laws in our Republic.

Our Constitution is Express, not Implied; and clearly Expresses what is Necessary to the security of a free State. It is Not, implied.

Capitalism is not expressed, but merely implied in our Constitution.

 

[Richard-H]

Nothing (first choice). Second choice, let’s have an exercise between the first Army and gun owners. Hopefully the owners will see the silliness of the “we have to defend ourselves against the gubberment” when they are rolled up in about 10 mins; this rendering the 2nd Amendment null and void

I'm pretty sure the majority of the Military will refuse to follow an unlawful order to disarm US citizens exercising their constitutional right to bear arms. I know I would have when i served,

Like they did at Waco?...or do you think that all those ATF & FBI agents did not come from a military background?

 

[danielpalos]

why have a right to keep and bear Arms, right wingers.

Because the Constitution, the ultimate law of the land states, I have the right to. End of conversation

The express purpose for that right, is in the first clause.

No its the prefatory clause it's just an introduction, the operative clause is the functional part of the 2nd Amendment "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed",

Only Congress may write words on formerly blank pieces of paper and them enacted as laws in our Republic.

Our Constitution is Express, not Implied; and clearly Expresses what is Necessary to the security of a free State. It is Not, implied.

Capitalism is not expressed, but merely implied in our Constitution.

I know; socialism is always the answer, when it really really matters. Capitalism "cannot be trusted".

 

[Pop23]

This is a lie.

No one is talking about ‘disarming’ anyone.

The point is this: the notion that private citizens armed only with semi-automatic weapons could ‘overthrow’ a government some have incorrectly and subjectively perceive to have become ‘tyrannical’ is idiocy, rendering the ‘argument’ that citizens have a right to possess firearms to ‘fight tyranny’ completely devoid of merit.

That’s why the Heller Court found that the Second Amendment enshrines an individual right, unconnected with militia service, acknowledging the fact that ‘the militia’ have become an anachronism

The ‘Red Dawn’ fantasy is as ridiculous as is wrong.

And the military would indeed follow the lawful order of putting down a lawless insurrection instigated by armed citizens who have incorrectly and subjectively perceived the government to have become ‘tyrannical,’ a government put into place reflecting the will of the majority of the people.

Nothing in this reply is factual, correct, or even born of a tenacious grasp of reality.

Well, the key part of my response to the OP was "hopefully the owners will see the silliness of the "we have to defend ourselves against...." nonsense. Because I think a great many of them buy the NRA talking points and regurgitate them without giving their veracity a second thought.

You saw this after Sandyhook when they laughably blamed video games and movies for school shootings when the same games and movies are sold world wide. Thankfully and predictably, they've moved away from that hysteria and are now trying to blame over the counter drugs for massacres. In a few months, they will blame daylights savings time or the Hawaii volcanoes; anything except too many guns in the hands of too many persons who are not responsible gun owners.

It is laughable to blame guns at all.

The silliness of 'having to defend ourselves against"? What utter nonsense. Did you hear about the animal (no really, that is his gang nickname) who brutally stabbed a teenager to death and taunted him while doing it? It was part of this animal's initiation into MS-13.

I am curious as to the type of cowardice that remarks that "you can't take on our government with arms" as if defending your right to survive and live free of a tyrannical government hinged on being able to fortell winning that engagement.

When the Founding generation took on the most powerful nation on the planet to win their freedom from them, they didn't fight knowing they would win. They fought because they were right. They would have rightly called anyone who would not fight for fear of losing a 'Coward'.

The comment above that I made spoke to the falseness of the “rallying cry” that you have to defend yourself from the government.

As for the “blame”, I don’t really want to get into it because we all know where it will end but….deep breath….there are dozens of advanced nations that have a very minute fraction of our gun deaths and they enjoy as much freedom as we do. They have the same books, magazines, movies, video games, tabloids, etc and they have a much more militaristic recent past than we do; industrial scale violence is not a hypothetical to these people; their fathers and mothers experienced it on their homeland.

The only difference is the 2nd Amendment.

Nothing false about this rallying cry. History shows us that governments corrupt. The Second Amendment is not valid because a government WILL go tyrannical, it is valid because it MIGHT go corrupt. I could spend hours debating the nuance of that, but I think it would be a waste of time on My part.

No, that is NOT the only difference. Just like any country in any metric you wish to apply, each country is unique in its culture, beliefs, and values.

Other countries have had the desire for self-defense trained out of them. Americans have not. If you wish to live in a passive country, go for it.

Besides, the problem is nowhere near the big crisis you people make it out to be.

Correct, of all gun related deaths, 2/3rds are suicide. And a gun is not a requirement to commit suicide. I posted earlier about 3 suicides in which a gun was not available, that caused the life’s of 9 innocents that lost there life’s by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. In these cases (one suicidal person ironically survived), had a gun been used, 3 would have died, not 11.

80% of the rest are gang related. And gangs don’t obey the law.

The rest are mostly accidental or Police related.

 

[Richard-H]

Because the Constitution, the ultimate law of the land states, I have the right to. End of conversation

The express purpose for that right, is in the first clause.

No its the prefatory clause it's just an introduction, the operative clause is the functional part of the 2nd Amendment "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed",

Only Congress may write words on formerly blank pieces of paper and them enacted as laws in our Republic.

Our Constitution is Express, not Implied; and clearly Expresses what is Necessary to the security of a free State. It is Not, implied.

Capitalism is not expressed, but merely implied in our Constitution.

I know; socialism is always the answer, when it really really matters. Capitalism "cannot be trusted".

Nothing I said either expressed or implied anything about socialism. The simple fact is that the Constitution says nothing directly about capitalism.

It does recognize ownership, so there fore implies capitalism to some degree.

Try to read what is written and not pay attention to all those bugs flying around in your brain.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Because the Constitution, the ultimate law of the land states, I have the right to. End of conversation

The express purpose for that right, is in the first clause.

No its the prefatory clause it's just an introduction, the operative clause is the functional part of the 2nd Amendment "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed",

Only Congress may write words on formerly blank pieces of paper and them enacted as laws in our Republic.

Our Constitution is Express, not Implied; and clearly Expresses what is Necessary to the security of a free State. It is Not, implied.

Capitalism is not expressed, but merely implied in our Constitution.

I know; socialism is always the answer, when it really really matters. Capitalism "cannot be trusted".

Socialism and all of its forms are responsible for more deaths than any sociopolitical ideology in history. Around 150 million and counting and all of those deaths have come in a little over 100 years.

 

[basquebromance]

"We can try the walkouts, rallies, moments of silence, media adulation, poems & fist salutes. But if the full arsenal of liberal disapprobation doesn't stop schizophrenics from going on shooting sprees, concealed carry laws will at least save a lot of lives" -Wacky Ann Coulter

 

[basquebromance]

BREAKING: Armed Citizen Kills Mass Shooter At Oklahoma Restaurant

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Congress should pass an amendment that does not reverse, but instead clarifies the 2nd amendment right to own guns.

It should allow the federal government, states and local governments to place limits on who can own guns and what types of guns can be owned.

It would pretty much just restate the current defacto status of gun laws and regulations - except that the federal government could create limitations that would apply nationally..

And that is exactly what the Supreme Court is actually saying when the rule like they do on a lot of things. Congress is remiss in their duties. There are a lot of laws that needs to be updated to modern times. Not just on firearms but a lot of others as well. But to do this, they would have to go against their largest bribe.....er..... contributors.

 

[danielpalos]

The express purpose for that right, is in the first clause.

No its the prefatory clause it's just an introduction, the operative clause is the functional part of the 2nd Amendment "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed",

Only Congress may write words on formerly blank pieces of paper and them enacted as laws in our Republic.

Our Constitution is Express, not Implied; and clearly Expresses what is Necessary to the security of a free State. It is Not, implied.

Capitalism is not expressed, but merely implied in our Constitution.

I know; socialism is always the answer, when it really really matters. Capitalism "cannot be trusted".

Nothing I said either expressed or implied anything about socialism. The simple fact is that the Constitution says nothing directly about capitalism.

It does recognize ownership, so there fore implies capitalism to some degree.

Try to read what is written and not pay attention to all those bugs flying around in your brain.

Social-ism starts with a social Contract.

 

[danielpalos]

The express purpose for that right, is in the first clause.

No its the prefatory clause it's just an introduction, the operative clause is the functional part of the 2nd Amendment "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed",

Only Congress may write words on formerly blank pieces of paper and them enacted as laws in our Republic.

Our Constitution is Express, not Implied; and clearly Expresses what is Necessary to the security of a free State. It is Not, implied.

Capitalism is not expressed, but merely implied in our Constitution.

I know; socialism is always the answer, when it really really matters. Capitalism "cannot be trusted".

Socialism and all of its forms are responsible for more deaths than any sociopolitical ideology in history. Around 150 million and counting and all of those deaths have come in a little over 100 years.

socialism requires social morals for free; coincidence or conspiracy, right wingers.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

socialism requires social morals for free; coincidence or conspiracy, right wingers.

Shut the fuck up, commie. Socialism is complete bullshit. Never works.

Take your commie ass back to Mexico with that dead Mexican bitch that got shot today.

 

[danielpalos]

socialism requires social morals for free; coincidence or conspiracy, right wingers.

Shut the fuck up, commie. Socialism is complete bullshit. Never works.

Take your commie ass back to Mexico with that dead Mexican bitch that got shot today.

i guess the jury is still out on that one.

 

[Flash]

The crime should never be the possession of the arm. Only the crime done with the arm.

 

[danielpalos]

We have a Second Amendment; we should have no security problems in our free States.

We should have, better aqueducts, better roads, and more well regulated militia.

 

[Political Junky]

Respect what the founding fathers said, "As part of a well regulated militia".

The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

A well regulated militia.
Cons ignore this, which is part of the same sentence. Cons don't read well or ...

 

[Wry Catcher]

Let's get to the end game. What should the Constitution say, if anything, about guns and what power should the Federal government have to regulate them?

COTUS never mentions guns. The 2nd A. uses the term arms. If the verbiage is to be taken literally, every form of arms should be available to every person within our borders, including those who are not citizens of the US.

Do you agree, or do you believe such an interpretation is not what the Founders meant?

 

[Wry Catcher]

socialism requires social morals for free; coincidence or conspiracy, right wingers.

Shut the fuck up, commie. Socialism is complete bullshit. Never works.

Take your commie ass back to Mexico with that dead Mexican bitch that got shot today.

Wow ^^^. There are no appropriate words to describe the callousness of this post. His anger and hate are visceral and scary. One more example why gun controls needs to be implemented and some people should never own, possess or have in their custody or control a gun (at least).

 

[MaryL]

Repeal the second Amendment. Sorry kids. When we need salad forks to protect us from people that abuse salad forks, that indicates we have a salad fork issue, don't you think?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Respect what the founding fathers said, "As part of a well regulated militia".

The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

A well regulated militia.
Cons ignore this, which is part of the same sentence. Cons don't read well or ...

Sure and your not ignoring the last part, the clarifying point of the entire Amendment ? You also ignore every founders subsequent writings on the subject that confirm the intent, that people have the right to bear arms specifically independent of any type of service.

Keep on trying though a sure sign of insanity is repeatedly doing the same thing expecting a different outcome you people will never get rid of the 2nd Amendment.