What Would Reagan Do In Egypt?

[idb]

You guys need to get the Constitution amended immediately so that Arnie can run for President!

 

[georgephillip]

I can't find much about the Middle East that Reagan did well, nor anything that anyone could have done well.

Do you think that's because a Jewish state was imposed on a land where only one-third of the population was Jewish?

 

[georgephillip]

democracy is breaking out all over

If you actually believe the uprising in Egypt is going to lead to Democracy you are fooling yourself.

There will be 1 of 2 possible outcomes. Either the Military will hold onto power and install another General, Or the Muslim Brotherhood and their allies will take over and set up a very Iran Like Islamic Theocracy in Egypt.

There simply are no Moderate Democratic Leaders strong enough to take over. Period.

Juan Cole sees a few other alternatives:

"8. By making a Mubarak departure seem sure, they tempted new presidential candidates into the arena, as with the Secretary General of the Arab League, Amr Moussa, who visited the crowds at Tahrir Square to some acclaim.

9. The optimism created by crowd actions caused Nobel prize winner Mohamed Elbaradei to make an about-face and affirm that he would be willing to run for president if drafted.

10. Gave cover to to Ayman Nur of the Tomorrow (Ghad) Party and other leaders of opposition political parties to continue to demand Mubarak’s departure."

 

[The T]

According to Douglas Brinkley:


Egypt’s brutal crackdown on demonstrators and the media would have “angered and goaded” the late, great President Ronald Reagan, who would have sided with the people trying to throw off a dictator, best-selling historian Douglas Brinkley tells Newsmax.

“One of the things I learned in editing 'The Reagan Diaries' is to never say what Reagan would do, because he surprised people,” Brinkley told Newsmax in an exclusive interview Thursday night.

However, there’s little doubt how Reagan would have reacted to the mayhem in the streets of Cairo, "The Reagan Diaries” author said.

“If Reagan had intelligence information that showed that the upheaval in Egypt is actually Democratic in spirit, then he would have, I believe, turned his back on Mubarak, even though there’s a long friendship between the United States and Egypt,” Brinkley said. “And [he would have] supported the Democratic movement.”

“Reagan was a pure liberation, free-and-fair election American. I think he would have been cautious, would have been doing what he could to get Americans out of Egypt like Obama’s done, and to try to embrace this perhaps-Democratic movement that is sweeping throughout the Middle East,” Brinkley said.

Regarding President Barack Obama’s handling of the crisis, Brinkley was not critical and pointed out “I’m sure there’s a lot going on . . . that we’re not privy to.”

The prize-winning historian and author said there were two reasons Reagan handled situations such as the crisis in the Middle East astutely: He listened to his top advisers, and “he was always fighting for one ideal: democracy around the world.”


More: Douglas Brinkley: What Reagan Would Do in Egypt

Reagan's Blunt Message to Egypt's Mubarak

Published on March 8, 1985 by James Phillips (Heritage.org)

It's a good read...

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Edited



Why would anyone care what Reagan would have done? This is now, not 30 years ago. The US is not the super power it was 30 years ago. We are much more dependent on the middle east oil now than back then. Thanks in large part to Reagan's lack of vision in keeping this country on a sustainable energy policy. What would Reagan do? Of all the US presidents of the past to ask this of, Reagan is the least accomplished in foreign affairs. More meaningful would be:
What would Roosevelt Do?
Or What would Kennedy Do?
What would Nixon Do?
What would Ike do?
Or even, What would Jefferson or Washington do.
Reagan is one of the least signifcant US Presidents in history.

LEAST significant??????



That's a pretty bold statement.....seeing-as-how we're STILL living with His Legacy.....​

The Reign of George II:

Voodoo Reaganomics; the Sequelhttp://quixote-quest.org/resources/national_international/BushReaganRerun_020401.html​

 

[VaYank5150]

According to Douglas Brinkley:


Egypt’s brutal crackdown on demonstrators and the media would have “angered and goaded” the late, great President Ronald Reagan, who would have sided with the people trying to throw off a dictator, best-selling historian Douglas Brinkley tells Newsmax.

“One of the things I learned in editing 'The Reagan Diaries' is to never say what Reagan would do, because he surprised people,” Brinkley told Newsmax in an exclusive interview Thursday night.

However, there’s little doubt how Reagan would have reacted to the mayhem in the streets of Cairo, "The Reagan Diaries” author said.

“If Reagan had intelligence information that showed that the upheaval in Egypt is actually Democratic in spirit, then he would have, I believe, turned his back on Mubarak, even though there’s a long friendship between the United States and Egypt,” Brinkley said. “And [he would have] supported the Democratic movement.”

“Reagan was a pure liberation, free-and-fair election American. I think he would have been cautious, would have been doing what he could to get Americans out of Egypt like Obama’s done, and to try to embrace this perhaps-Democratic movement that is sweeping throughout the Middle East,” Brinkley said.

Regarding President Barack Obama’s handling of the crisis, Brinkley was not critical and pointed out “I’m sure there’s a lot going on . . . that we’re not privy to.”

The prize-winning historian and author said there were two reasons Reagan handled situations such as the crisis in the Middle East astutely: He listened to his top advisers, and “he was always fighting for one ideal: democracy around the world.”


More: Douglas Brinkley: What Reagan Would Do in Egypt

Reagan would probably forget what to do....

 

[Misty]

Reagan is dead no point in speculating

Obama is not Reagan although suddenly the media seems to be comparing the two
a lot.

More media bullshit.

 

[Douger]

Ya want to know what RayGun would do ?
Ask his astrologer.

He was just another crackpot murkin fatcat with a cowboy hat.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I can't find much about the Middle East that Reagan did well, nor anything that anyone could have done well.

You mean besides letting them work-out their own problems....like Taking-Back Their Country from the corporate-horde??



It seems to work-out, the same way, no matter where we've been.....or, what's being bought & sold.​

"The capital of the United Fruit Company empire was in Guatemala, in the town of Bananera, where it made its headquarters. From here it master-minded its empire and corrupted every level of government and politics in Guatemala. United Fruit also managed to exempt itself from virtually all taxes for 99 years. UFCO had its fingers in almost every pie in Guatemala. UFCO had the unconditional support of right-wing dictators who maintained their power by terrorizing the people and arresting prominent citizens who were either killed on the spot or tortured in prison to extract confessions. During one wave of repression under Jorge Ubico, hundreds were killed in just two days.

In 1944, the people of Guatemala overthrew the right-wing dictator then in power, Jorge Ubico. Guatemala held its first true elections in history. They elected Dr. Juan Jose Arevalo Bermej to the presidency. A new constitution was drawn up, based on the U.S. Constitution. Arevalo was a socialist and an educator who built over 6,000 schools in Guatemala and made great progress in education and health care.

At this time in Guatemala, just 2.2 percent of the population owned over 70 percent of the country's land. Only 10 percent of the land was available for 90 percent of the population, most of whom were Indians. Most of the land held by the large landowners was unused. Arevalo was succeeded in another free election by Jacobo Arbenz who continued the reform process begun under Arevalo. Arbenz proposed to redistribute some of the unused land and make it available for the 90 percent to farm. Here is where the problem arose: United Fruit was one of the big holders of unused land in Guatemala. The pressure mounted against UFCO and finally the company complained to the many friends it had within the U.S. government including President Eisenhower and Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, saying that Guatemala had turned communist.

The U.S. State Department and United Fruit embarked on a major public relations campaign to convince the American people and the rest of the U.S. government that Guatemala was a Soviet "satellite".

The United Fruit Company​

I guess the Guatemalans hadn't heard we had the Divine Right to call-the-shots, down there.

Manifest Destiny; South-O'-The-Border

I'm sure our relationship, with Egypt, has nothing-to-do with oil-security, in The Middle East.​

 

[georgephillip]

Reagan choose to support rich White South Africans over Nelson Mandela.

Why would anyone think the Gipper would turn his back on rich Egyptians?

 

[georgephillip]

I can't find much about the Middle East that Reagan did well, nor anything that anyone could have done well.

You mean besides letting them work-out their own problems....like Taking-Back Their Country from the corporate-horde??



It seems to work-out, the same way, no matter where we've been.....or, what's being bought & sold.​

"The capital of the United Fruit Company empire was in Guatemala, in the town of Bananera, where it made its headquarters. From here it master-minded its empire and corrupted every level of government and politics in Guatemala. United Fruit also managed to exempt itself from virtually all taxes for 99 years. UFCO had its fingers in almost every pie in Guatemala. UFCO had the unconditional support of right-wing dictators who maintained their power by terrorizing the people and arresting prominent citizens who were either killed on the spot or tortured in prison to extract confessions. During one wave of repression under Jorge Ubico, hundreds were killed in just two days.

In 1944, the people of Guatemala overthrew the right-wing dictator then in power, Jorge Ubico. Guatemala held its first true elections in history. They elected Dr. Juan Jose Arevalo Bermej to the presidency. A new constitution was drawn up, based on the U.S. Constitution. Arevalo was a socialist and an educator who built over 6,000 schools in Guatemala and made great progress in education and health care.

At this time in Guatemala, just 2.2 percent of the population owned over 70 percent of the country's land. Only 10 percent of the land was available for 90 percent of the population, most of whom were Indians. Most of the land held by the large landowners was unused. Arevalo was succeeded in another free election by Jacobo Arbenz who continued the reform process begun under Arevalo. Arbenz proposed to redistribute some of the unused land and make it available for the 90 percent to farm. Here is where the problem arose: United Fruit was one of the big holders of unused land in Guatemala. The pressure mounted against UFCO and finally the company complained to the many friends it had within the U.S. government including President Eisenhower and Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, saying that Guatemala had turned communist.

The U.S. State Department and United Fruit embarked on a major public relations campaign to convince the American people and the rest of the U.S. government that Guatemala was a Soviet "satellite".

The United Fruit Company​

I guess the Guatemalans hadn't heard we had the Divine Right to call-the-shots, down there.

Manifest Destiny; South-O'-The-Border

I'm sure our relationship, with Egypt, has nothing-to-do with oil-security, in The Middle East.​

Ronald Reagan left his mark in Nicaragua also:

"The Republic of Nicaragua v. The United States of America[1] was a 1984 case of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in which the ICJ ruled in favor of Nicaragua and against the United States and awarded reparations to Nicaragua.

"The ICJ held that the U.S. had violated international law by supporting Contra guerrillas in their rebellion against the Nicaraguan government and by mining Nicaragua's harbors.

"The United States refused to participate in the proceedings after the Court rejected its argument that the ICJ lacked jurisdiction to hear the case."

Nicaragua v. United States

The Contras in Nicaragua murdered tens of thousands of civilians in their attempt to overthrow a democratically elected government, and Reagan publicly hailed the Contras as "the moral equivalents of our founding fathers."

No doubt Indians in both countries would agree.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So, the consensus is that Reagan would be closer to Obama on this than those on the right who are attacking Obama?

lol.

 

[asterism]

I can't find much about the Middle East that Reagan did well, nor anything that anyone could have done well.

Do you think that's because a Jewish state was imposed on a land where only one-third of the population was Jewish?

No.

 

[georgephillip]

If 700,000 Palestinian Arabs "left, fled or were expelled from their homes" during the '48 Arab-Israeli War and the preceding civil war, does doing well in the Middle East begin with addressing their right of return or just compensation?

 

[uscitizen]

Fact is no one knows what Reagan would do with the situation in Egypt.

 

[The T]

Fact is no one knows what Reagan would do with the situation in Egypt.

In this situation? Maybe not...

Reagan's Blunt Message to Egypt's Mubarak

Published on March 8, 1985 by James Phillips (Heritage.org)

It's a good read...

 

[The T]

Fact is? He'd do alot better than the Imbecile in the office now.

 

[rdean]

What Would Reagan Do In Egypt?

Forget what street he lived on?

 

[uscitizen]

What would Jesus do in Egypt?

 

[The T]

What Would Reagan Do In Egypt?

Forget what street he lived on?

*YOU* probably weren't alive when Reagan was president were you?

You are fuckin' clueless Deany.