What will low income people do for healthcare if they lose their Obamacare?

[PoliticalChic]

The 24 million uninsured are mostly poor democrat immigrant families who should of never been let into the country.

24 million will affect a lot of red state voters.....make no mistake!!!! Get ready for the GOP over reach and lost of GOP house seats in 2018.

Is that the same CBO that predicted 24 million would be signed up on the exchanges and there were less than 12 million that did? I think they should take another year, since the Democrats in the Senate will block it any way and let Obamacare stay in force.

Yup.


The very same CBO that scored the Obama Stimulus at $825 billion, and actually came our to $1.2 trillion
Stimulus with interest: $1.2 trillion - Jan. 27, 2009

Since when do spending bills include intererst.

I laugh at you morons who complain about the Stimulus Bill.

If YOUR party had not nearly KILLED America, we would not have needed a satimulus bull.
If you want to see massive debt from a healthcare related bill, look at the Part D expansion the Republicans did that adds hundreds of billions to the national debt.

Tells us how much interest has piled up because of that.

"If YOUR party had not nearly KILLED America, we would not have needed a satimulus (sic) bull (sic)."




You're back for a lesson????

Excellent...not a moment too soon, you dope.


First, and of most significance....the Democrats are hardly my party.




The Mortgage Meltdown was a direct result of Democrat policies.

Now....take notes so you only look half as stupid in the future.



1. Democrat FDR shredded the Constitution....ignoring article I, section 8, the enumerated powers.
There is no authority for the federal government to enter the private housing market.
None.

The wannabe dictator, FDR, created GSE's Fannie, and his drones followed with Freddie, to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.


2. Democrat Carter....the CRA, constraining banking policy


3. Democrat Clinton....strengthened the CRA

Under Clinton, HUD threatened banks, again, to give unrequited loans.

Henchmen: Democrats Cisneros and Cuomo.


4. Democrats Frank and Dodd barred any governmental discipline in this area.


QED
It was Democrats and Democrat policies that caused the Mortgage Meltdown



Don't make me have to correct you again.

 

[RealDave]

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Or they could get a job. They could choose to buy coverage instead of the newest iPhone or spinners for their SUV.

Wow, This was really stupid when that Republican leader said it & you repeating it makes you that stupid. If only they cancelled their cell phone, they could afford $12k a year for insurance.

You can always volunteer to pick up that $12K unpaid tab for some welfare leech. Of course you won't.

I pay taxes & I am fully aware that some of my tax money goes to helping those in need.

When your heroes Trump & Ryan force all these people off of insurance, you will still pay. You will pay when they go to the ER. You will pay instead of that screening under the ACA you will pay for that major surgery for that heart condition.

This is how stupid you are. It is cheaper to help people get real healthcare than ignore it. As you save money by slashing Medicaid, you will pay in higher medical costs & thereby higher premiums.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Are you requesting a lesson in politics and religion?

My pleasure.


1. Let's go forward with the point, and underscore that the Bible, rather than authorizing taking from some and giving to others, via governmental intimidation or incarceration, prescribes a very different solution.

A form of giving..."tithing".... "is not for the poor! It is for specific individuals who could not provide for themselves because of specific circumstances. This “welfare” was for the Levites, because they did not own any land; for foreigners who temporarily needed aid while in the nation; for the fatherless, who were too young to provide for themselves and did not have family to take care of them; and for widows who likewise were too old to work or had no family to support them.



2. ...tithe was not given to able-bodied men and women who were capable of working. For able-bodied people, God’s welfare system is—work. How different from modern social welfare programs!

In fact, the Bible is clear that people should be rewarded by what they contribute to society.

The Bible is specific about what God expects of able-bodied members of society. In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”



3. The Bible is filled with many such admonitions to work and provide for your family.“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel” (1 Timothy 5:8)." Is God a Socialist?




So....redistribution is not charity a la the Bible....it is theft

And the welfare system endorsed by scripture is .....personal responsibility, and earning.



Bet you're glad you brought it up, huh?

You sure like to twist and turn things written in the Bible, much like the Snake in the Garden!

Certainly you are AWARE that there were different Tithing(s) required during different periods throughout the year...like the wealthier farmer required to leave 1/10 of his crop in the field so that the poor and hungry could eat from it....

The people on the exchange DO WORK FOR A LIVING, so your bull crud on talents, and "working" is the welfare of the Bible, has NOTHING to do with the topic of this thread Miss Spinmeister!


so tell us PC, who are you in this parable of Christ Judging the Nations?

Matthew 25:31-46New International Version (NIV)
The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comesA)">(A) in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.B)">(B) 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separateC)">(C) the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.D)">(D) 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdomE)">(E) prepared for you since the creation of the world.F)">(F) 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,G)">(G) 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me,H)">(H) I was sick and you looked after me,I)">(I) I was in prison and you came to visit me.’J)">(J)

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’K)">(K)

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me,L)">(L) you who are cursed, into the eternal fireM)">(M) prepared for the devil and his angels.N)">(N) 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’O)">(O)

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.P)">(P)”Q)">(Q)

Hebrews 13:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers,A)">(A) for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.B)">(B)

This is really a bottom-of-the-barrel post from you.

You're trying to equate hospitality to stealing from earners for the purpose of buying votes for Democrats????


Pleeeeeezzzzzz don't play dumb.

You do not have insurance do you or you are on your parents. I hope they do not allow people like you to go to the ER, they should have a name there of free loaders like you who try to use the ER like a doctors office because you have no assets to lose. Are you insured. Answer yes or no?

I'm independently wealthy.
Ever since I learned to spin straw into gold, those little inconveniences no longer held any interest for me.

I'm twenty foot tall & invented a machine that turens horseshit into gold bars.

You live in a 25 year old movbile home ion the trailer psark & wait for your monthly food stamps to arrive so yopu cabn sell them

Actually, I'm a goddess, you're a loser......and, as a hobby, I help you make a fool of yourself.
Any questions?

 

[RealDave]

The 24 million uninsured are mostly poor democrat immigrant families who should of never been let into the country.

24 million will affect a lot of red state voters.....make no mistake!!!! Get ready for the GOP over reach and lost of GOP house seats in 2018.

Is that the same CBO that predicted 24 million would be signed up on the exchanges and there were less than 12 million that did? I think they should take another year, since the Democrats in the Senate will block it any way and let Obamacare stay in force.

Yup.


The very same CBO that scored the Obama Stimulus at $825 billion, and actually came our to $1.2 trillion
Stimulus with interest: $1.2 trillion - Jan. 27, 2009

Since when do spending bills include intererst.

I laugh at you morons who complain about the Stimulus Bill.

If YOUR party had not nearly KILLED America, we would not have needed a satimulus bull.
If you want to see massive debt from a healthcare related bill, look at the Part D expansion the Republicans did that adds hundreds of billions to the national debt.

Tells us how much interest has piled up because of that.

You're back for a lesson????

Excellent...not a moment too soon, you dope.


The Mortgage Meltdown was a direct result of Democrat policies.

Now....take notes so you only look half as stupid in the future.



1. Democrat FDR shredded the Constitution....ignoring article I, section 8, the enumerated powers.

He created GSE's Fannie, and his drones followed with Freddie, to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.


2. Democrat Carter....the CRA, constraining banking policy


3. Democrat Clinton....strengthened the CRA

Under Clinton, HUD threatened banks, again, to give unrequited loans.

Henchmen: Democrats Cisneros and Cuomo.


4. Democrats Frank and Dodd barred any governmental discipline in this area.


QED
It was Democrats and Democrat policies that caused the Mortgage Meltdown



Don't make me have to correct you again.

QED? WTF. You proved nothing.

The GSEs only participated in that mortgage mess. They did not create it.

The CRA had nothing to do with the mortgage mess.

Clinton only expanded the CRA to cover all the new players in the mortgage market when Republicans got Glass Steagal repealed.

Barney Frank could not stop shit. He was a minority member of the House.

Have any more lies????????

The recession started 4th quarter of 2007. 7 years into a Republican Presidency. After nearly 14 straight years of Republican control of Congress. And you are still dumb enough to blame Democrats.

Bill Clinton handed George Bush a balanced budget, low unemployment, no wars. But hey, its those damned Democrats.

 

[PoliticalChic]

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Or they could get a job. They could choose to buy coverage instead of the newest iPhone or spinners for their SUV.

Wow, This was really stupid when that Republican leader said it & you repeating it makes you that stupid. If only they cancelled their cell phone, they could afford $12k a year for insurance.

You can always volunteer to pick up that $12K unpaid tab for some welfare leech. Of course you won't.

I pay taxes & I am fully aware that some of my tax money goes to helping those in need.

When your heroes Trump & Ryan force all these people off of insurance, you will still pay. You will pay when they go to the ER. You will pay instead of that screening under the ACA you will pay for that major surgery for that heart condition.

This is how stupid you are. It is cheaper to help people get real healthcare than ignore it. As you save money by slashing Medicaid, you will pay in higher medical costs & thereby higher premiums.

"I pay taxes & I am fully aware that some of my tax money goes to helping those in need."

What a sucker.

1. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Such should be the epitaph of Liberalism.
2. ‘Welfare’ as a wholly owned subsidiary of the government, and its main result is the incentivizing of a disrespect for oneself, and for the entity that provides the welfare. As more folks in a poor neighborhood languish with little or no work, entire local culture begins to change: daily work is no longer the expected social norm. Extended periods of hanging around the neighborhood, neither working nor going to school becoming more and more socially acceptable.
   1. Since productive activity not making any economic sense because of the work disincentives of the welfare plantation, other kinds of activities proliferate: drug and alcohol abuse, crime, recreational sex, illegitimacy, and family breakup are the new social norms, as does the culture of violence. From Peter Ferrara, “America’s Ticking Bankruptcy Bomb,” chapter five.

Now do you understand what you support?????



The poverty rate is just about the same as it was when the bogus 'war on poverty' began, half a century ago.

It continues because there are dunces like you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

24 million will affect a lot of red state voters.....make no mistake!!!! Get ready for the GOP over reach and lost of GOP house seats in 2018.

Is that the same CBO that predicted 24 million would be signed up on the exchanges and there were less than 12 million that did? I think they should take another year, since the Democrats in the Senate will block it any way and let Obamacare stay in force.

Yup.


The very same CBO that scored the Obama Stimulus at $825 billion, and actually came our to $1.2 trillion
Stimulus with interest: $1.2 trillion - Jan. 27, 2009

Since when do spending bills include intererst.

I laugh at you morons who complain about the Stimulus Bill.

If YOUR party had not nearly KILLED America, we would not have needed a satimulus bull.
If you want to see massive debt from a healthcare related bill, look at the Part D expansion the Republicans did that adds hundreds of billions to the national debt.

Tells us how much interest has piled up because of that.

You're back for a lesson????

Excellent...not a moment too soon, you dope.


The Mortgage Meltdown was a direct result of Democrat policies.

Now....take notes so you only look half as stupid in the future.



1. Democrat FDR shredded the Constitution....ignoring article I, section 8, the enumerated powers.

He created GSE's Fannie, and his drones followed with Freddie, to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.


2. Democrat Carter....the CRA, constraining banking policy


3. Democrat Clinton....strengthened the CRA

Under Clinton, HUD threatened banks, again, to give unrequited loans.

Henchmen: Democrats Cisneros and Cuomo.


4. Democrats Frank and Dodd barred any governmental discipline in this area.


QED
It was Democrats and Democrat policies that caused the Mortgage Meltdown



Don't make me have to correct you again.

QED? WTF. You proved nothing.

The GSEs only participated in that mortgage mess. They did not create it.

The CRA had nothing to do with the mortgage mess.

Clinton only expanded the CRA to cover all the new players in the mortgage market when Republicans got Glass Steagal repealed.

Barney Frank could not stop shit. He was a minority member of the House.

Have any more lies????????

The recession started 4th quarter of 2007. 7 years into a Republican Presidency. After nearly 14 straight years of Republican control of Congress. And you are still dumb enough to blame Democrats.

Bill Clinton handed George Bush a balanced budget, low unemployment, no wars. But hey, its those damned Democrats.

"QED? WTF. You proved nothing."


In that case, you moron.....
....here's a query so simple that even you might be able to answer:

Had Democrats not invaded the private housing economy, and created Fanny and Freddie....
....would there have been a mortgage meltdown?

 

[bodecea]

In Red States, who voted for this so-called president? Oh well.

 

[PoliticalChic]

24 million will affect a lot of red state voters.....make no mistake!!!! Get ready for the GOP over reach and lost of GOP house seats in 2018.

Is that the same CBO that predicted 24 million would be signed up on the exchanges and there were less than 12 million that did? I think they should take another year, since the Democrats in the Senate will block it any way and let Obamacare stay in force.

Yup.


The very same CBO that scored the Obama Stimulus at $825 billion, and actually came our to $1.2 trillion
Stimulus with interest: $1.2 trillion - Jan. 27, 2009

Since when do spending bills include intererst.

I laugh at you morons who complain about the Stimulus Bill.

If YOUR party had not nearly KILLED America, we would not have needed a satimulus bull.
If you want to see massive debt from a healthcare related bill, look at the Part D expansion the Republicans did that adds hundreds of billions to the national debt.

Tells us how much interest has piled up because of that.

You're back for a lesson????

Excellent...not a moment too soon, you dope.


The Mortgage Meltdown was a direct result of Democrat policies.

Now....take notes so you only look half as stupid in the future.



1. Democrat FDR shredded the Constitution....ignoring article I, section 8, the enumerated powers.

He created GSE's Fannie, and his drones followed with Freddie, to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.


2. Democrat Carter....the CRA, constraining banking policy


3. Democrat Clinton....strengthened the CRA

Under Clinton, HUD threatened banks, again, to give unrequited loans.

Henchmen: Democrats Cisneros and Cuomo.


4. Democrats Frank and Dodd barred any governmental discipline in this area.


QED
It was Democrats and Democrat policies that caused the Mortgage Meltdown



Don't make me have to correct you again.

QED? WTF. You proved nothing.

The GSEs only participated in that mortgage mess. They did not create it.

The CRA had nothing to do with the mortgage mess.

Clinton only expanded the CRA to cover all the new players in the mortgage market when Republicans got Glass Steagal repealed.

Barney Frank could not stop shit. He was a minority member of the House.

Have any more lies????????

The recession started 4th quarter of 2007. 7 years into a Republican Presidency. After nearly 14 straight years of Republican control of Congress. And you are still dumb enough to blame Democrats.

Bill Clinton handed George Bush a balanced budget, low unemployment, no wars. But hey, its those damned Democrats.

"The CRA had nothing to do with the mortgage mess.

Clinton only expanded the CRA to cover all the new players in the mortgage market when Republicans got Glass Steagal repealed."

What a dope.



a. Congress passed a bill in 1975 requiring banks to provide the government with information on their lending activities in poor urban areas. Two years later, it passed the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), which gave regulators the power to deny banks the right to expand if they didn’t lend sufficiently in those neighborhoods. In 1979 the FDIC used the CRA to block a move by the Greater NY Savings Bank for not enough lending.


b. Clinton Administration housing secretary, Henry Cisneros, declared that he would expand homeownership among lower- and lower-middle-income renters. His strategy: pushing for no-down-payment loans; expanding the size of mortgages that the government would insure against losses; and using the CRA and other lending laws to direct more private money into low-income programs.

c. Shortly after Cisneros announced his plan, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac agreed to begin buying loans under new, looser guidelines. Freddie Mac, for instance, started approving low-income buyers with bad credit histories or none at all, so long as they were current on rent and utilities payments. Freddie Mac also said that it would begin counting income from seasonal jobs and public assistance toward its income minimum, despite the FHA disaster of the sixties.

d. Pressuring nonbank lenders to make more loans to poor minorities didn’t stop. If it didn’t happen, Clinton officials warned, they’d seek to extend CRA regulations to all mortgage makers. In Congress, Representative Maxine Waters called financial firms not covered by the CRA “among the most egregious redliners.”
Obsessive Housing Disorder


You're feeling really stupid about now, huh?


QED...Democrats and Democrat policy caused the mortgage meltdown.

 

[PoliticalChic]

24 million will affect a lot of red state voters.....make no mistake!!!! Get ready for the GOP over reach and lost of GOP house seats in 2018.

Is that the same CBO that predicted 24 million would be signed up on the exchanges and there were less than 12 million that did? I think they should take another year, since the Democrats in the Senate will block it any way and let Obamacare stay in force.

Yup.


The very same CBO that scored the Obama Stimulus at $825 billion, and actually came our to $1.2 trillion
Stimulus with interest: $1.2 trillion - Jan. 27, 2009

Since when do spending bills include intererst.

I laugh at you morons who complain about the Stimulus Bill.

If YOUR party had not nearly KILLED America, we would not have needed a satimulus bull.
If you want to see massive debt from a healthcare related bill, look at the Part D expansion the Republicans did that adds hundreds of billions to the national debt.

Tells us how much interest has piled up because of that.

You're back for a lesson????

Excellent...not a moment too soon, you dope.


The Mortgage Meltdown was a direct result of Democrat policies.

Now....take notes so you only look half as stupid in the future.



1. Democrat FDR shredded the Constitution....ignoring article I, section 8, the enumerated powers.

He created GSE's Fannie, and his drones followed with Freddie, to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.


2. Democrat Carter....the CRA, constraining banking policy


3. Democrat Clinton....strengthened the CRA

Under Clinton, HUD threatened banks, again, to give unrequited loans.

Henchmen: Democrats Cisneros and Cuomo.


4. Democrats Frank and Dodd barred any governmental discipline in this area.


QED
It was Democrats and Democrat policies that caused the Mortgage Meltdown



Don't make me have to correct you again.

QED? WTF. You proved nothing.

The GSEs only participated in that mortgage mess. They did not create it.

The CRA had nothing to do with the mortgage mess.

Clinton only expanded the CRA to cover all the new players in the mortgage market when Republicans got Glass Steagal repealed.

Barney Frank could not stop shit. He was a minority member of the House.

Have any more lies????????

The recession started 4th quarter of 2007. 7 years into a Republican Presidency. After nearly 14 straight years of Republican control of Congress. And you are still dumb enough to blame Democrats.

Bill Clinton handed George Bush a balanced budget, low unemployment, no wars. But hey, its those damned Democrats.

AND....

....as you have learned....


...I never lie. As I am never wrong, there is never any need for that Liberal characteristic.

 

[PoliticalChic]

In Red States, who voted for this so-called president? Oh well.

Did you know that the dolt in the avi pic you've used is the only President in almost a century never........never.....to have had a year (with 8 opportunities) with 3% or better GDP growth?

"Obama is the first President never to have had a year of 3% or better economic growth: "... annual growth during Obama’s “recovery” has never topped 3%. By comparison, it never fell below 3% during the Reagan recovery. And in the nine years following the 1990-91 recession, GDP grew faster than 3% in all but two. Heck, even Jimmy Carter had some strong growth years." http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/with-gdp-downgrade-obama-growth-gap-expands/

a. "The years since 2007 have been a macroeconomic disaster for the United States of a magnitude unprecedented since the Great Depression." Obama: Always Wrong, Never In Doubt

b. ".... first president since Hoover to never have a single year above 3% GDP growth." Obama economy is 'amazing,' says hedge fund billionaire




Sooooo.....who is more of an abject failure....Obama or his voters?

 

[Old Rocks]

Not to worry. If the GOP passes the ACHA, by 2025 we will have full universal single payer health care. Going back to what we had prior to the ACA will create the impetus for a Dem sweep in the House, Senate, and Executive. And dingbats like PC can move to Somalia where I am sure she will appreciate the smallness of the government. Maybe she can hook up with one of the warlords there, and assure her existences. LOL

 

[PoliticalChic]

Not to worry. If the GOP passes the ACHA, by 2025 we will have full universal single payer health care. Going back to what we had prior to the ACA will create the impetus for a Dem sweep in the House, Senate, and Executive. And dingbats like PC can move to Somalia where I am sure she will appreciate the smallness of the government. Maybe she can hook up with one of the warlords there, and assure her existences. LOL

"....by 2025 we will have full universal single payer health care."



And now for one more episode of "Facts Hidden From Liberal Dolts"


Let's see how the US stacked up against the socialist nations BEFORE OBAMACARE:

The following ‘Universal Healthcare’ countries have higher out-of-pocket costs than the United States:

Out-of-pocket spending as a share of total expenditure on health, 1980-2000 http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/5/53/22364122.pdf (table 4)

http://www.oecd.org/els/healthpoliciesanddata/22364122.pdf

These countries had higher out-of-pocket costs:
Canada, Denmark, Finland, Italy, Spain, Switzerland.



And so, this episode ends with yet another verbal custard pie in the kisser to the OldDunce.


But.....an improvement in his physiognomy.

 

[Old Rocks]

Is that the same CBO that predicted 24 million would be signed up on the exchanges and there were less than 12 million that did? I think they should take another year, since the Democrats in the Senate will block it any way and let Obamacare stay in force.

Yup.


The very same CBO that scored the Obama Stimulus at $825 billion, and actually came our to $1.2 trillion
Stimulus with interest: $1.2 trillion - Jan. 27, 2009

Since when do spending bills include intererst.

I laugh at you morons who complain about the Stimulus Bill.

If YOUR party had not nearly KILLED America, we would not have needed a satimulus bull.
If you want to see massive debt from a healthcare related bill, look at the Part D expansion the Republicans did that adds hundreds of billions to the national debt.

Tells us how much interest has piled up because of that.

You're back for a lesson????

Excellent...not a moment too soon, you dope.


The Mortgage Meltdown was a direct result of Democrat policies.

Now....take notes so you only look half as stupid in the future.



1. Democrat FDR shredded the Constitution....ignoring article I, section 8, the enumerated powers.

He created GSE's Fannie, and his drones followed with Freddie, to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.


2. Democrat Carter....the CRA, constraining banking policy


3. Democrat Clinton....strengthened the CRA

Under Clinton, HUD threatened banks, again, to give unrequited loans.

Henchmen: Democrats Cisneros and Cuomo.


4. Democrats Frank and Dodd barred any governmental discipline in this area.


QED
It was Democrats and Democrat policies that caused the Mortgage Meltdown



Don't make me have to correct you again.

QED? WTF. You proved nothing.

The GSEs only participated in that mortgage mess. They did not create it.

The CRA had nothing to do with the mortgage mess.

Clinton only expanded the CRA to cover all the new players in the mortgage market when Republicans got Glass Steagal repealed.

Barney Frank could not stop shit. He was a minority member of the House.

Have any more lies????????

The recession started 4th quarter of 2007. 7 years into a Republican Presidency. After nearly 14 straight years of Republican control of Congress. And you are still dumb enough to blame Democrats.

Bill Clinton handed George Bush a balanced budget, low unemployment, no wars. But hey, its those damned Democrats.

"The CRA had nothing to do with the mortgage mess.

Clinton only expanded the CRA to cover all the new players in the mortgage market when Republicans got Glass Steagal repealed."


a. Congress passed a bill in 1975 requiring banks to provide the government with information on their lending activities in poor urban areas. Two years later, it passed the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), which gave regulators the power to deny banks the right to expand if they didn’t lend sufficiently in those neighborhoods. In 1979 the FDIC used the CRA to block a move by the Greater NY Savings Bank for not enough lending.


b. Clinton Administration housing secretary, Henry Cisneros, declared that he would expand homeownership among lower- and lower-middle-income renters. His strategy: pushing for no-down-payment loans; expanding the size of mortgages that the government would insure against losses; and using the CRA and other lending laws to direct more private money into low-income programs.

c. Shortly after Cisneros announced his plan, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac agreed to begin buying loans under new, looser guidelines. Freddie Mac, for instance, started approving low-income buyers with bad credit histories or none at all, so long as they were current on rent and utilities payments. Freddie Mac also said that it would begin counting income from seasonal jobs and public assistance toward its income minimum, despite the FHA disaster of the sixties.

d. Pressuring nonbank lenders to make more loans to poor minorities didn’t stop. If it didn’t happen, Clinton officials warned, they’d seek to extend CRA regulations to all mortgage makers. In Congress, Representative Maxine Waters called financial firms not covered by the CRA “among the most egregious redliners.”
Obsessive Housing Disorder


You're feeling really stupid about now, huh?


QED...Democrats and Democrat policy caused the mortgage meltdown.

Bush drive for home ownership fueled housing bubble

But the story of how the United States got here is partly one of Bush's own making, according to a review of his tenure that included interviews with dozens of current and former administration officials.

From his earliest days in office, Bush paired his belief that Americans do best when they own their own homes with his conviction that markets do best when left alone. Bush pushed hard to expand home ownership, especially among minority groups, an initiative that dovetailed with both his ambition to expand Republican appeal and the business interests of some of his biggest donors. But his housing policies and hands-off approach to regulation encouraged lax lending standards.

Bush did foresee the danger posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored mortgage finance giants. The president spent years pushing a recalcitrant Congress to toughen regulation of the companies, but was unwilling to compromise when his former Treasury secretary wanted to cut a deal. And the regulator Bush chose to oversee them - an old school buddy - pronounced the companies sound even as they headed toward insolvency.

As early as 2006, top advisers to Bush dismissed warnings from people inside and outside the White House that housing prices were inflated and that a foreclosure crisis was looming. And when the economy deteriorated, Bush and his team misdiagnosed the reasons and scope of the downturn. As recently as February, for example, Bush was still calling it a "rough patch."

The result was a series of piecemeal policy prescriptions that lagged behind the escalating crisis.

Well, PC, that is slightly better than some 'Conservatives' here that blamed Obama for the meltdown. Slightly better, but still a complete lie. LOL You silly assed 'Conservatives' cannot admit it is your silly ass ideas that created the first Great Republican Depression, and nearly created the Second Great Republican Depression in 2008. And, if someone does not put the brakes on the orange clown and Ryan, may create it by the end of 2019.

 

[Old Rocks]

Not to worry. If the GOP passes the ACHA, by 2025 we will have full universal single payer health care. Going back to what we had prior to the ACA will create the impetus for a Dem sweep in the House, Senate, and Executive. And dingbats like PC can move to Somalia where I am sure she will appreciate the smallness of the government. Maybe she can hook up with one of the warlords there, and assure her existences. LOL

"....by 2025 we will have full universal single payer health care."



And now for one more episode of "Facts Hidden From Liberal Dolts"


Let's see how the US stacked up against the socialist nations BEFORE OBAMACARE:

The following ‘Universal Healthcare’ countries have higher out-of-pocket costs than the United States:

Out-of-pocket spending as a share of total expenditure on health, 1980-2000 http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/5/53/22364122.pdf (table 4)

http://www.oecd.org/els/healthpoliciesanddata/22364122.pdf

These countries had higher out-of-pocket costs:
Canada, Denmark, Finland, Italy, Spain, Switzerland.



And so, this episode ends with yet another verbal custard pie in the kisser to the OldDunce.


But.....an improvement in his physiognomy.

LOL

 

[Claudette]

Not to worry. If the GOP passes the ACHA, by 2025 we will have full universal single payer health care. Going back to what we had prior to the ACA will create the impetus for a Dem sweep in the House, Senate, and Executive. And dingbats like PC can move to Somalia where I am sure she will appreciate the smallness of the government. Maybe she can hook up with one of the warlords there, and assure her existences. LOL

"....by 2025 we will have full universal single payer health care."



And now for one more episode of "Facts Hidden From Liberal Dolts"


Let's see how the US stacked up against the socialist nations BEFORE OBAMACARE:

The following ‘Universal Healthcare’ countries have higher out-of-pocket costs than the United States:

Out-of-pocket spending as a share of total expenditure on health, 1980-2000 http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/5/53/22364122.pdf (table 4)

http://www.oecd.org/els/healthpoliciesanddata/22364122.pdf

These countries had higher out-of-pocket costs:
Canada, Denmark, Finland, Italy, Spain, Switzerland.



And so, this episode ends with yet another verbal custard pie in the kisser to the OldDunce.


But.....an improvement in his physiognomy.

It just shows what a blind fool he is.

He wants our Govt. to have control of the health care for three hundred million Americans.

Our Govt. that has never in its entire history done anything cheaply or well.

Our Govt. that is nothing but mountains of red tape, paperwork and long waits.

That's what the dolt wants running our health care.

You can't cure stupid.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yup.


The very same CBO that scored the Obama Stimulus at $825 billion, and actually came our to $1.2 trillion
Stimulus with interest: $1.2 trillion - Jan. 27, 2009

Since when do spending bills include intererst.

I laugh at you morons who complain about the Stimulus Bill.

If YOUR party had not nearly KILLED America, we would not have needed a satimulus bull.
If you want to see massive debt from a healthcare related bill, look at the Part D expansion the Republicans did that adds hundreds of billions to the national debt.

Tells us how much interest has piled up because of that.

You're back for a lesson????

Excellent...not a moment too soon, you dope.


The Mortgage Meltdown was a direct result of Democrat policies.

Now....take notes so you only look half as stupid in the future.



1. Democrat FDR shredded the Constitution....ignoring article I, section 8, the enumerated powers.

He created GSE's Fannie, and his drones followed with Freddie, to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.


2. Democrat Carter....the CRA, constraining banking policy


3. Democrat Clinton....strengthened the CRA

Under Clinton, HUD threatened banks, again, to give unrequited loans.

Henchmen: Democrats Cisneros and Cuomo.


4. Democrats Frank and Dodd barred any governmental discipline in this area.


QED
It was Democrats and Democrat policies that caused the Mortgage Meltdown



Don't make me have to correct you again.

QED? WTF. You proved nothing.

The GSEs only participated in that mortgage mess. They did not create it.

The CRA had nothing to do with the mortgage mess.

Clinton only expanded the CRA to cover all the new players in the mortgage market when Republicans got Glass Steagal repealed.

Barney Frank could not stop shit. He was a minority member of the House.

Have any more lies????????

The recession started 4th quarter of 2007. 7 years into a Republican Presidency. After nearly 14 straight years of Republican control of Congress. And you are still dumb enough to blame Democrats.

Bill Clinton handed George Bush a balanced budget, low unemployment, no wars. But hey, its those damned Democrats.

"The CRA had nothing to do with the mortgage mess.

Clinton only expanded the CRA to cover all the new players in the mortgage market when Republicans got Glass Steagal repealed."


a. Congress passed a bill in 1975 requiring banks to provide the government with information on their lending activities in poor urban areas. Two years later, it passed the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), which gave regulators the power to deny banks the right to expand if they didn’t lend sufficiently in those neighborhoods. In 1979 the FDIC used the CRA to block a move by the Greater NY Savings Bank for not enough lending.


b. Clinton Administration housing secretary, Henry Cisneros, declared that he would expand homeownership among lower- and lower-middle-income renters. His strategy: pushing for no-down-payment loans; expanding the size of mortgages that the government would insure against losses; and using the CRA and other lending laws to direct more private money into low-income programs.

c. Shortly after Cisneros announced his plan, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac agreed to begin buying loans under new, looser guidelines. Freddie Mac, for instance, started approving low-income buyers with bad credit histories or none at all, so long as they were current on rent and utilities payments. Freddie Mac also said that it would begin counting income from seasonal jobs and public assistance toward its income minimum, despite the FHA disaster of the sixties.

d. Pressuring nonbank lenders to make more loans to poor minorities didn’t stop. If it didn’t happen, Clinton officials warned, they’d seek to extend CRA regulations to all mortgage makers. In Congress, Representative Maxine Waters called financial firms not covered by the CRA “among the most egregious redliners.”
Obsessive Housing Disorder


You're feeling really stupid about now, huh?


QED...Democrats and Democrat policy caused the mortgage meltdown.

Bush drive for home ownership fueled housing bubble

But the story of how the United States got here is partly one of Bush's own making, according to a review of his tenure that included interviews with dozens of current and former administration officials.

From his earliest days in office, Bush paired his belief that Americans do best when they own their own homes with his conviction that markets do best when left alone. Bush pushed hard to expand home ownership, especially among minority groups, an initiative that dovetailed with both his ambition to expand Republican appeal and the business interests of some of his biggest donors. But his housing policies and hands-off approach to regulation encouraged lax lending standards.

Bush did foresee the danger posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored mortgage finance giants. The president spent years pushing a recalcitrant Congress to toughen regulation of the companies, but was unwilling to compromise when his former Treasury secretary wanted to cut a deal. And the regulator Bush chose to oversee them - an old school buddy - pronounced the companies sound even as they headed toward insolvency.

As early as 2006, top advisers to Bush dismissed warnings from people inside and outside the White House that housing prices were inflated and that a foreclosure crisis was looming. And when the economy deteriorated, Bush and his team misdiagnosed the reasons and scope of the downturn. As recently as February, for example, Bush was still calling it a "rough patch."

The result was a series of piecemeal policy prescriptions that lagged behind the escalating crisis.

Well, PC, that is slightly better than some 'Conservatives' here that blamed Obama for the meltdown. Slightly better, but still a complete lie. LOL You silly assed 'Conservatives' cannot admit it is your silly ass ideas that created the first Great Republican Depression, and nearly created the Second Great Republican Depression in 2008. And, if someone does not put the brakes on the orange clown and Ryan, may create it by the end of 2019.

"Democrats Were Wrong on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
The White House called for tighter regulation 17 times.


Seventeen. That's how many times, according to this White House statement (hat tip Gateway Pundit), that the Bush administration has called for tighter regulation of the government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Much if not all of that could have been prevented by a bill cosponsored by John McCain and supported by all the Republicans and opposed by all the Democrats in the Senate Banking Committee in 2005.

That bill, which the Democrats stopped from passing, would have prohibited the GSEs from speculating on the mortgage-based securities they packaged. The GSEs' mission allegedly justifying their quasi-governmental status was to package or securitize such mortgages, but the lion's share of their profits—which determined top executives' bonuses—came from speculation."http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...rats-were-wrong-on-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac



"Yet [Democrat] Barney Frank and his chums blocked all Bush's attempts to put a rein on Raines. During the House Financial Services Committee hearing following Bush's initiative, [Democrat] Frank declared:
"The more people exaggerate a threat of safety and soundness [at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae], the more people conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the Treasury which I do not see. I think we see entities that are fundamentally sound financially."

His colleague on the committee, the California Democrat Maxine Walters, said: "There were nearly a dozen hearings where we were trying to fix something that wasn't broke. Mr Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac and particularly at Fannie Mae under the outstanding leadership of Mr Franklin Raines."
Bubble Meter: Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd deserve blame for Fannie and Freddie


Two custard pies!!!!

 

[TooTall]

Private health care has never worked anywhere in the world.

It has worked quite well for me all of my life.

As long as you're content to pay double what it would be in a country with single payer.

I am not interested in moving to another country.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Not to worry. If the GOP passes the ACHA, by 2025 we will have full universal single payer health care. Going back to what we had prior to the ACA will create the impetus for a Dem sweep in the House, Senate, and Executive. And dingbats like PC can move to Somalia where I am sure she will appreciate the smallness of the government. Maybe she can hook up with one of the warlords there, and assure her existences. LOL

"....by 2025 we will have full universal single payer health care."



And now for one more episode of "Facts Hidden From Liberal Dolts"


Let's see how the US stacked up against the socialist nations BEFORE OBAMACARE:

The following ‘Universal Healthcare’ countries have higher out-of-pocket costs than the United States:

Out-of-pocket spending as a share of total expenditure on health, 1980-2000 http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/5/53/22364122.pdf (table 4)

http://www.oecd.org/els/healthpoliciesanddata/22364122.pdf

These countries had higher out-of-pocket costs:
Canada, Denmark, Finland, Italy, Spain, Switzerland.



And so, this episode ends with yet another verbal custard pie in the kisser to the OldDunce.


But.....an improvement in his physiognomy.

LOL

Only a moron accepts the UN propaganda......watch me smash it:
Get ready for the third pie in your kisser, you dolt.


1. So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General


2. The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.

WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses

theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,
WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems.
1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf



4. After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance




5. How to judge healthcare:

a) life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.

In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.

And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels."
http://www.davepetno.com/blog/index.php?itemid=30


" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country." http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf

 

[PoliticalChic]

C'mon.....Rocks....set up those Liberal shibboleths and watch me knock 'em down!!!!

 

[Penelope]

You sure like to twist and turn things written in the Bible, much like the Snake in the Garden!

Certainly you are AWARE that there were different Tithing(s) required during different periods throughout the year...like the wealthier farmer required to leave 1/10 of his crop in the field so that the poor and hungry could eat from it....

The people on the exchange DO WORK FOR A LIVING, so your bull crud on talents, and "working" is the welfare of the Bible, has NOTHING to do with the topic of this thread Miss Spinmeister!


so tell us PC, who are you in this parable of Christ Judging the Nations?

Matthew 25:31-46New International Version (NIV)
The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comesA)">(A) in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.B)">(B) 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separateC)">(C) the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.D)">(D) 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdomE)">(E) prepared for you since the creation of the world.F)">(F) 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,G)">(G) 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me,H)">(H) I was sick and you looked after me,I)">(I) I was in prison and you came to visit me.’J)">(J)

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’K)">(K)

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me,L)">(L) you who are cursed, into the eternal fireM)">(M) prepared for the devil and his angels.N)">(N) 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’O)">(O)

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.P)">(P)”Q)">(Q)

Hebrews 13:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers,A)">(A) for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.B)">(B)

This is really a bottom-of-the-barrel post from you.

You're trying to equate hospitality to stealing from earners for the purpose of buying votes for Democrats????


Pleeeeeezzzzzz don't play dumb.

You do not have insurance do you or you are on your parents. I hope they do not allow people like you to go to the ER, they should have a name there of free loaders like you who try to use the ER like a doctors office because you have no assets to lose. Are you insured. Answer yes or no?

I'm independently wealthy.
Ever since I learned to spin straw into gold, those little inconveniences no longer held any interest for me.

I'm twenty foot tall & invented a machine that turens horseshit into gold bars.

You live in a 25 year old movbile home ion the trailer psark & wait for your monthly food stamps to arrive so yopu cabn sell them

Actually, I'm a goddess, you're a loser......and, as a hobby, I help you make a fool of yourself.
Any questions?

C'mon.....Rocks....set up those Liberal shibboleths and watch me knock 'em down!!!!

You can sure copy and paste. I suspect you are in HS and are on your parents HI. Perhaps on welfare.