What will happen if we leave Iraq?

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    Prager hits the nail on the head. Have the leftists in this country actually thought through what will happen a month after we leave? Three months? Three years? With Al Qaeda and various jihadist fanatics left free to take over one of the largest, most oil-rich countries in the middle East? Backed by Syria, Ira, and the likes of Mahmoud Amahdinejad?

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    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55464

    What a jihadist victory would mean

    by Dennis Prager
    Posted: May 1, 2007
    1:00 a.m. Eastern

    In arriving at their decision that America should withdraw its forces from Iraq, the Democratic Party and the left around the world regularly make reference to what they regard as America's initial error – invading Iraq.

    Perhaps the left is correct in its contentions that bringing freedom to a Muslim Arab country at this time in history is impossible and that an Iraq under Saddam Hussein would be better for American and world security.

    But even if the war was a major blunder and even if everything the left charges – including "Bush lied" – were true, none of these contentions has any bearing on the question of what should be done now.

    The preoccupation of the left with the alleged wrongness of the war and the alleged deceit of President Bush is another example of passion rather than reason determining a leftist position on a major issue.

    A responsible, rational opponent of the war in Iraq and of George W. Bush would say, "I am appalled by the disastrous war in Iraq, appalled by the wasted American lives, appalled by the moral wasteland of Iraq, and I loathe this president. But we are in Iraq. And as much as I loathe supporting anything this president does and as much as I oppose this war, I know what is likely to happen if we leave Iraq. So I cannot in good conscience advocate an American withdrawal or fixing a specific date to do so."

    In a recent column, I argued that the left rarely asks "What happens next?" when advocating social policy. I offered numerous examples. Withdrawal from Iraq and announcing that America has "lost the war" are the latest and most egregious.

    If we leave Iraq:

    It will be a great victory for the most dangerous ideology on earth today. The people running North Korea are presumably as evil as the Islamists. But there is no ideology emanating from North Korea that threatens mankind. We are fighting an ideology, supported by millions of people, that wishes to conquer the world and routinely engages in mass murder of the innocent – especially the innocent – to achieve its totalitarian goals.

    No one will trust America's commitment for the foreseeable future. Nations and forces aligned with America against freedom-hating enemies will conclude that it is actually quite easy to defeat the United States of America. Just kill relatively few of that country's soldiers, and the USA will soon abandon you.

    The very best Iraqis – and members of their families – will be slaughtered like animals.

    It will mean the end of the possibility of the rise of a moderate form of Islam for the foreseeable future, perhaps generations. In the Arab/Muslim world, might is revered, and the victorious Islamists will therefore be revered. Moreover, they will have earned the right to claim that they constitute an unstoppable force. If America, the most powerful country in the world, surrenders to them because the Islamists murder fellow Muslims and killed the indescribably tragic but militarily small total of 3,000 soldiers in four years – one-one-hundredth the losses the U.S. experienced in World War II – who in the Muslim world will stand up to them?

    Iraq will turn into a far more potent terror base than Afghanistan could ever be. One of the major powers of the Arab world, one of the most oil-rich countries in the world, may well be ruled by jihadists.

    Moderate Arab regimes will likely be overthrown by a combination of an emboldened Iran and an Islamist Iraq that regards moderate Arabs and Muslims as loathsome as, if not more so than, Americans and Jews. It is almost inconceivable, for example, that the Jordanian monarchy would long survive an American defeat in Iraq.

    The American military will suffer a crisis of morale that it will not soon overcome. Though defeated not by the Islamist enemy but by the American left – most particularly the Democratic Party and the mainstream news media – it will be hard to convince many people to join or stay in the U.S. military. Why bother? Even if you do a great job, if you haven't done it all – whatever "all" means in a place like Iraq – you will be told that you lost the war.

    And those who have heretofore murdered fellow Muslims will focus their attention on murdering us. The left dismisses the argument that it is far better to fight them in Iraq than in Europe and America. But the dismissal is simply irrational. The people we are fighting, including Osama bin Laden and all the variations on al-Qaida, know that the battle for Iraq is the battle for their future – that if they win in Iraq, they win all over the Middle East and beyond; that if they lose there, America and the West win.

    But none of this matters to the left because Democrats and others on the left do not ask what will happen if America leaves Iraq. They are certain that the war was wrong, and that, in addition to handing George W. Bush and the Republicans a defeat, is what they seem to care about.
     
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    I think that this is a very complicated issue and question and that the same question can be asked in the opposite direction like:

    What happens if we stay in Iraq? What precisely does a "win" entail before we do leave.... and is this really achievable going and doing the same thing we are doing now?

    Maybe the answer to these questions should be answered also, while we are asking the question of what happens after we leave....ya know?

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    I think we have to go with what the generals are still saying and that is that this civil war or that this war in Iraq can NOT be WON on the battlefield by the military.....that the ONLY sollution to this Civil War is Diplomacy.

    As far as Alqaeda goes...I think that when and if we ever redeployed, Alqaeda would follow us....and try to cause havoc where ever we were and "rile the troops" so to say, or increase their recruiting of other Alqaeda members based on that....

    I also believe that the Iraqis will FIGHT OFF Alqaeda after we leave because they have enough of their OWN ISSUES and problems without these terrorists getting involved...heh, they may actually unite, the sunni and the shiites to STOP the killing of innocents on both sides? ( I know that is just a prayer and may not ever come true or happen, but we need all the help we can get at this point imo :) )

    Alqaeda may follow us to Afghanistan and Pakistan...all hell could break loose even worse than it has recently if we redeploy our troops to that arena...?

    Also, just because it may LOOK like we have lost this so called "war on terrirism" to the few alqaeda members that are in Iraq does NOT mean that this gives us a right to put our soldiers in danger and in the middle of a Civil War that is ALSO taking place imo.

    AND MOST IMPORTANTLY....losing a "Battle" is NOT losing a "War"....

    We need to redeploy to the surrounding areas, and rethink a better and stronger way to go forward imo. :)

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    this is important :) :clap2:
     
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    Hi Care!

    Looks like I found your new hiding place!

    With regard to the question:

    We'll save a lot of tax dollars, american lives and cut our losses.
     
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    hi tiana!

    i am not hiding! lol

    and good morning!

    care
     
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    The right has been absolutely wrong on every prediction they made with regard to Iraq. Would be kind of silly for anyone to think you guys got it right now given the track record.
     
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    Even with the 20-30k surge of soldiers, we will still have less men on the ground than we did during some of the other "Surges" that President Bush had ordered.

    This war has never been fought to WIN, it seems.... not that they didn't want to win it, because they probably did want to do such, but perhaps their arrogance and lies got in the way and ended up biting them in the butt?

    This surge, is no greater than other previous surges and because of this, we probably will not be able to bring safety to the Iraqi people once again....I hope it works, but it is doubtful....imo.... and mostly because we are not fighting this war to win, we should have followed the Powell Doctrine and used overwelming force with a huge amount of soldiers to secure the country and borders during the rebuilding and occupation.... :(

    Unless we double or tripled our troops at this point, we would never be able to take the control that is needed to squash this hornet's nest imo.

    And we do not have enough troops to do the job at this point...they are tired and worn out....and we are being left vulnerable to respond to any other threat and to protect the homeland, again....imo.

    And LASTLY:

    I disagree that Alqaeda wants us to leave so they can take over BECAUSE AlQaeda...EVERY TIME we make an effort to leave, INCREASES THEIR ATTACKS and sucide bombers.....making us STAY LONGER....

    They KNOW our President will INSIST on statying if they continue or increase their attacks!

    If they wanted us to leave, they would just sit back and wait....then pounce on the Iraqi people and their oil when we leave.... but instead, they increase their actions of terror, HOLDING US there imo....

    so, president bush actually could be acquiescing to the terrorist's wishes?

    some people say bin laden wanted us there too... this gives them an enemy on their homeland grounds that helps them with recruiting for their jihad....

    i think in hindsite, this very well appears to be true!

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    A few updates

    CNN is reporting Dems are going to drop their surrender date

    Harry Reid's approval rating is lower the VP Dick Cheney's

    So much for the Dems doing the will of the Amercian people
     
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    Yes, I heard this two days ago, that the dems would probably drop the withdrawl dates but would keep the "bench marks".... And that this would probably lose some of their Democratic counterparts but pick up some more Republicans and still pass.

    President Bush may not accept the bench marks and it may go back to the senate/house again to rewrite..... then probably another compromise and another veto/ override vote.

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    It seems the Dems have seen the latest polls and are giving uo their surrender plan

    Dems are tanking in the polls and all Dems care about is winning elections - not the troops
     
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