Minuteman said:So Athiests are not welcome to these boards?? Or is your god so weak that non believers need to be shut up.
No not at all, we just recognize someone who is guilty of doing the exact thing they accuse others of doing.
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Minuteman said:So Athiests are not welcome to these boards?? Or is your god so weak that non believers need to be shut up.
Minuteman said:So Athiests are not welcome to these boards?? Or is your god so weak that non believers need to be shut up.
Minuteman said:"It is amazing isn't it? Yet WE are the intolerant ones."
Yes you are actually.
Religeous tolerance = OXYMORON
Athiests don't blow people up because they refuse to follow a particular religeon (Isluuum). They don't behead innocent people either. We don't put down gay people because of their sexual preference. I read a sign by Republican protesters that read "God hates fags". Which contradicts the idea that "God is love".
Btw, Islamic terrorists are CONSERVATIVE.
The ClayTaurus said:Not to dredge up old battles, but the God hates fags people aren't republicans by the slightest stretch of the imagination... at least the ones you see protesting with the neon signs.
No suprise, I'm agnostic, but I disagree with other's views that being an agnostic means you don't believe in a God or supernatural.
Bonnie said:Doesn't agnostic mean simply one who doubts which is completely different than one who does not believe??
I'd disagree with this definition in part.The ClayTaurus said:Atheist is someone who denounces the possibility of a devine being. There is no God. They have reached their conclusion.
Zhukov said:I'd disagree with this definition in part.
It's not about 'denouncing possibilities', it's about disbelief. I concede that it's possible that some sort of diety might exist but I don't believe there is one. The truth is unknowable to me so 'possibilites' exist. What's important is what I believe and what I believe makes me atheist.
Ever heard of Pascal's Wager?Zhukov said:I'd disagree with this definition in part.
It's not about 'denouncing possibilities', it's about disbelief. I concede that it's possible that some sort of diety might exist but I don't believe there is one. The truth is unknowable to me so 'possibilites' exist. What's important is what I believe and what I believe makes me atheist.
Yeah, and it's a load of horsehit. There's such a thing as false. One who 'believes' in God only because the result if they are correct is deemed better than the result if they don't 'believe' and are wrong does not really believe in God.Hagbard Celine said:Ever heard of Pascal's Wager?
Hagbard Celine said:Ever heard of Pascal's Wager?
This seems to be much more reasonable, both for atheists and theists :
"It is better to live your life as if there are no Gods, and try to make the world a better place for your being in it. If there is no God, you have lost nothing and will be remembered fondly by those you left behind. If there is a benevolent God, He will judge you on your merits and not just on whether or not you believed in Him."
The ClayTaurus said:Atheist is someone who denounces the possibility of a devine being. There is no God. They have reached their conclusion.
Agnostic is someone who does not denounce the possibility, but rather thinks it's impossible to comprehend something as immortal as a supernatural as a mortal. Or, it is someone who isn't convinced the current interpretations of the supernatural are inadequate or incomplete. They have not reached their conclusion or don't agree with the conclusions that have been reached so far.
It's either: I have doubts as to whether or not there is a God, or I know there is a God or supernatural but doubt that I'll ever be able to understand it, or I know there is a God or supernatural but doubt any of the interpretations available today stack up.
Yes. They seek to validate their beliefs externally because they don't truly believe in their hearts. They have no faith. So how do they know they are right? When other's agree with them.TheEnemyWithin said:Can't figure that out...somebody out there have any theories??
Zhukov said:Yes. They seek to validate their beliefs externally because they don't truly believe in their hearts. They have no faith. So how do they know they are right? When other's agree with them.
People with no faith lash out.
People with faith are comfortable with the fact that not everyone agrees with them.
Well, my point is if they are lashing out it's because they are not secure in their faith. They might claim to be faithful but if they lash out it is because they are deluding themselves and they are trying to fool those against who they lash out.The ClayTaurus said:People with faith lash out as well.
Zhukov said:Well, my point is if they are lashing out it's because they are not secure in their faith. They might claim to be faithful but if they lash out it is because they are deluding themselves and they are trying to fool those against who they lash out.
Those "God Hates Fags" people? They are not faithful.
It reminds me of the story about the Soviet police who broke in on an illegal meeting of christians and told them whoever recanted could leave and live, those who stood firm would be shot.
The "G.H.F." people would be running out the door I'd guess.
Zhukov said:Well, my point is if they are lashing out it's because they are not secure in their faith. They might claim to be faithful but if they lash out it is because they are deluding themselves and they are trying to fool those against who they lash out.
Those "God Hates Fags" people? They are not faithful.
It reminds me of the story about the Soviet police who broke in on an illegal meeting of christians and told them whoever recanted could leave and live, those who stood firm would be shot.
The "G.H.F." people would be running out the door I'd guess.
Zhukov said:Yeah, and it's a load of horsehit. There's such a thing as false. One who 'believes' in God only because the result if they are correct is deemed better than the result if they don't 'believe' and are wrong does not really believe in God.
And were there a god, he would certainly realize that.
Were I god, I'd be more offended by the false than the faithless, because at least the faithless are honest. The false think they can fool god....
That's a losing bet.
The ClayTaurus said:People with faith lash out as well.
I think, in regards to the question asked by TheEnemyWithin, the people you talk with are more of the "shock atheists" that someone was talking about earlier in this thread. They're only atheist because it's convenient for them to ridicule others.