What now libs? Less than 18,000 jobs and

[SFC Ollie]

Obama's atimulut, clunker,etc plan saved us from a depression and unemployment would have been 16% or more but is only 9.1% and we are in recovery as any recovery you take one steps forward and two backwards before we fully recover. This mess was put in motion by Bush's unfunded war and out of control spending and tax cut for the rich, big corporation that created jobs overseas. We were losing jobs at at the rate of millions and and it did not suddenly stop when Obama took office. You cannot expect Obama to fix over night what took Bush 8 years to break.
Obama knows what he is doing will work so shut the fuck up and let him do his job.

2 1/2 years and it's still Bush's fault? And you have the gall to mention out of control spending and not blame any of it on the current administration... Please do yourself a favor and step away from the Kool-aide.

Do you really think all the problems or even most of them can be fixed in 2 1/2 years??? 2 1/2 years with Republicans fighting Obama and the Dems tooth and nail?

Sounds like you've got your own vat of Kool-Aide.

Fact is that the idiots in Washington are fighting each other and neither side is doing what is needed and right for the country. And they won't do what's needed because if they do it doesn't matter if they have a D or an R after their name they will never be elected again. Myself? I haven't voted for an incumbent in many years. Other than the village mayor.....

We cannot continue to spend what we do not have. At some point we have to pay it back. The time has come.....

 

[JRK]

In fact, with the current slashes in Government spending, we will lose even more jobs

How do you figure that cutting the spending in federal govt will cost us jobs?

We need opportunistic events
ease up on the regs
and get out of the way

As a liberal you cannot grasp that the creation of govt jobs takes wealth away from those who create private sector jobs

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

One cannot both support the people who object to job creation programs and still complaim when jobs are not created.

Sure you can. We've seen how Obama's expensive "jobs programs" have failed and we'd prefer to stop wasting money.

Those jobs programs lead to the creation of over 2 million jobs


Where is the jobs creation legislation that the Republicans promised in 2010? Oh yes....I forgot.....Obama must fail was their priority

2 million jobs? Any backup for that claim?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Obama's atimulut, clunker,etc plan saved us from a depression and unemployment would have been 16% or more but is only 9.1% and we are in recovery as any recovery you take one steps forward and two backwards before we fully recover. This mess was put in motion by Bush's unfunded war and out of control spending and tax cut for the rich, big corporation that created jobs overseas. We were losing jobs at at the rate of millions and and it did not suddenly stop when Obama took office. You cannot expect Obama to fix over night what took Bush 8 years to break.
Obama knows what he is doing will work so shut the fuck up and let him do his job.

2 1/2 years and it's still Bush's fault? And you have the gall to mention out of control spending and not blame any of it on the current administration... Please do yourself a favor and step away from the Kool-aide.

Do you really think all the problems or even most of them can be fixed in 2 1/2 years??? 2 1/2 years with Republicans fighting Obama and the Dems tooth and nail?

Sounds like you've got your own vat of Kool-Aide.

2 1/2 years? I thought the smartest president ever could have fixed things in 2 1/2 weeks?
After all, he was going to stop the oceans from rising, even before he took office.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQNkVmdicvA]YouTube - ‪Obama Claiming He Can Halt the Rise of the Oceans‬‏[/ame]

LOL!

 

[SFC Ollie]

Sure you can. We've seen how Obama's expensive "jobs programs" have failed and we'd prefer to stop wasting money.

Those jobs programs lead to the creation of over 2 million jobs


Where is the jobs creation legislation that the Republicans promised in 2010? Oh yes....I forgot.....Obama must fail was their priority

2 million jobs? Any backup for that claim?

Under Obama's stimulus plan the unemployment rate went from 7.6 to 9.2 Oh, um, nevermind.

 

[JRK]

Those jobs programs lead to the creation of over 2 million jobs


Where is the jobs creation legislation that the Republicans promised in 2010? Oh yes....I forgot.....Obama must fail was their priority

2 million jobs? Any backup for that claim?

Under Obama's stimulus plan the unemployment rate went from 7.6 to 9.2 Oh, um, nevermind.

2008...... 136,790 114,281 21,334 767 7,162 13,406
2009...... 130,807 108,252 18,557 694 6,016 11,847

2010...... 129,818 107,337 17,755 705 5,526 11,524

this is the numbers in black and white
I see 6 million jobs fewer than we had at the end of 2008
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt

 

[Vanquish]

What part of slowing the rate of decline is so hard to understand. Go ahead, compare to previous numbers, but that's not the whole story BY FAR. It could have been worse.

I'll also say it could have been better.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What part of slowing the rate of decline is so hard to understand. Go ahead, compare to previous numbers, but that's not the whole story BY FAR. It could have been worse.

I'll also say it could have been better.

Yes, because you say so. Got it.

By a similar point in the 1920 Depression unemployment had already dropped from 12% down to 4% but you keep snorting the Hopey Change Kool Aid

 

[JRK]

What part of slowing the rate of decline is so hard to understand. Go ahead, compare to previous numbers, but that's not the whole story BY FAR. It could have been worse.

I'll also say it could have been better.

Vanquish slowing the rate of decline?
I guess you could say that

To start with I blame neither Bush nor do I blame Obama for the crash
We did that to our selves
pure greed

I have 2 issues with Obama, well with this matter the 2 biggest issues I have are
1) never let a crises go to waste IE: the failed stimulus and grabbing 50% of tarp was to create a slush fund, nothing else
2) Doing nothing to open up places and potential resources for the free market to expand, to replace the housing market, at least in part. For example removing the constraints on revamping our power grid with nuclear and or natural gas. Also the shale oil industry is flourishing in Canada, it could be here also
Dept of Interior Cancels Bush Administration Oil Shale Leasing Plans : TreeHugger

 

[8537]

In fact, with the current slashes in Government spending, we will lose even more jobs

How do you figure that cutting the spending in federal govt will cost us jobs?

You should ask NASA, which is about to layoff thousands of people.

 

[Vanquish]

What part of slowing the rate of decline is so hard to understand. Go ahead, compare to previous numbers, but that's not the whole story BY FAR. It could have been worse.

I'll also say it could have been better.

Yes, because you say so. Got it.

By a similar point in the 1920 Depression unemployment had already dropped from 12% down to 4% but you keep snorting the Hopey Change Kool Aid

I never said "because I say so". Jump to conclusions much? I suppose I was already snippy, so I'll let you slide on this one. I didn't post to numbers either.

But ffs, I didn't say "because I say so".

You're the one on the Kool-Aid, Frank. You've got ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome) and you're not objective at ALL.

 

[8537]

What part of slowing the rate of decline is so hard to understand. Go ahead, compare to previous numbers, but that's not the whole story BY FAR. It could have been worse.

I'll also say it could have been better.

Yes, because you say so. Got it.

By a similar point in the 1920 Depression unemployment had already dropped from 12% down to 4% but you keep snorting the Hopey Change Kool Aid

This is a quiz, Frank: What circumstances make the 1920 Depression similar to the 2007 recession? What circumstances make them different?

Hint: Balance sheets and wars.

 

[JRK]

What part of slowing the rate of decline is so hard to understand. Go ahead, compare to previous numbers, but that's not the whole story BY FAR. It could have been worse.

I'll also say it could have been better.

1980...... 90,528 74,154 24,263 1,077 4,454 18,733
1981...... 91,289 75,109 24,118 1,180 4,304 18,634
1982...... 89,677 73,695 22,550 1,163 4,024 17,363
1983...... 90,280 74,269 22,110 997 4,065 17,048
1984...... 94,530 78,371 23,435 1,014 4,501 17,920
1985...... 97,511 80,978 23,585 974 4,793 17,819
1986...... 99,474 82,636 23,318 829 4,937 17,552
1987...... 102,088 84,932 23,470 771 5,090 17,609
1988...... 105,345 87,806 23,909 770 5,233 17,906
1989...... 108,014 90,087 24,045 750 5,309 17,985

1990...... 109,487 91,072 23,723 765 5,263 17,695
1991...... 108,375 89,829 22,588 739 4,780 17,068
1992...... 108,726 89,940 22,095 689 4,608 16,799
1993...... 110,844 91,855 22,219 666 4,779 16,774
1994...... 114,291 95,016 22,774 659 5,095 17,020
1995...... 117,298 97,865 23,156 641 5,274 17,241
1996...... 119,708 100,169 23,409 637 5,536 17,237
1997...... 122,776 103,113 23,886 654 5,813 17,419
1998...... 125,930 106,021 24,354 645 6,149 17,560
1999...... 128,993 108,686 24,465 598 6,545 17,322

2000...... 131,785 110,995 24,649 599 6,787 17,263
2001...... 131,826 110,708 23,873 606 6,826 16,441
2002...... 130,341 108,828 22,557 583 6,716 15,259
2003...... 129,999 108,416 21,816 572 6,735 14,510
2004...... 131,435 109,814 21,882 591 6,976 14,315
2005...... 133,703 111,899 22,190 628 7,336 14,226
2006...... 136,086 114,113 22,531 684 7,691 14,155
2007...... 137,598 115,380 22,233 724 7,630 13,879
2008...... 136,790 114,281 21,334 767 7,162 13,406
2009...... 130,807 108,252 18,557 694 6,016 11,847

2010...... 129,818 107,337 17,755 705 5,526 11,524

that far enough back?
to Reagan tax cuts
40 million jobs

 

[8537]

What part of slowing the rate of decline is so hard to understand. Go ahead, compare to previous numbers, but that's not the whole story BY FAR. It could have been worse.

I'll also say it could have been better.

1980...... 90,528 74,154 24,263 1,077 4,454 18,733
1981...... 91,289 75,109 24,118 1,180 4,304 18,634
1982...... 89,677 73,695 22,550 1,163 4,024 17,363
1983...... 90,280 74,269 22,110 997 4,065 17,048
1984...... 94,530 78,371 23,435 1,014 4,501 17,920
1985...... 97,511 80,978 23,585 974 4,793 17,819
1986...... 99,474 82,636 23,318 829 4,937 17,552
1987...... 102,088 84,932 23,470 771 5,090 17,609
1988...... 105,345 87,806 23,909 770 5,233 17,906
1989...... 108,014 90,087 24,045 750 5,309 17,985

1990...... 109,487 91,072 23,723 765 5,263 17,695
1991...... 108,375 89,829 22,588 739 4,780 17,068
1992...... 108,726 89,940 22,095 689 4,608 16,799
1993...... 110,844 91,855 22,219 666 4,779 16,774
1994...... 114,291 95,016 22,774 659 5,095 17,020
1995...... 117,298 97,865 23,156 641 5,274 17,241
1996...... 119,708 100,169 23,409 637 5,536 17,237
1997...... 122,776 103,113 23,886 654 5,813 17,419
1998...... 125,930 106,021 24,354 645 6,149 17,560
1999...... 128,993 108,686 24,465 598 6,545 17,322

2000...... 131,785 110,995 24,649 599 6,787 17,263
2001...... 131,826 110,708 23,873 606 6,826 16,441
2002...... 130,341 108,828 22,557 583 6,716 15,259
2003...... 129,999 108,416 21,816 572 6,735 14,510
2004...... 131,435 109,814 21,882 591 6,976 14,315
2005...... 133,703 111,899 22,190 628 7,336 14,226
2006...... 136,086 114,113 22,531 684 7,691 14,155
2007...... 137,598 115,380 22,233 724 7,630 13,879
2008...... 136,790 114,281 21,334 767 7,162 13,406
2009...... 130,807 108,252 18,557 694 6,016 11,847

2010...... 129,818 107,337 17,755 705 5,526 11,524

that far enough back?
to Reagan tax cuts
40 million jobs

LBJ implented a tax hike in 1968. Between 1969 and 1980, the economy created almost 17 million jobs.

I guess we can thank LBJ for that, right?

By the way, how did we create 17M jobs in the 1970's.

18 million jobs in the 1980's.

19 million in the 1990's.

And create a net of zero jobs in the aughts?

 

[Toro]

What part of slowing the rate of decline is so hard to understand. Go ahead, compare to previous numbers, but that's not the whole story BY FAR. It could have been worse.

I'll also say it could have been better.

Yes, because you say so. Got it.

By a similar point in the 1920 Depression unemployment had already dropped from 12% down to 4% but you keep snorting the Hopey Change Kool Aid

This is a quiz, Frank: What circumstances make the 1920 Depression similar to the 2007 recession? What circumstances make them different?

Hint: Balance sheets and wars.

The 1920 recession is not the analogy to use today. The 1920 recession was due to a drop off of war spending and the reintroduction of soldiers back into the general economy. This recession is more akin to the Depression, which was initially caused by a build-up of speculative debt followed by an asset bubble crash, just like the 00s. The 1920s and the 2000s were also similar in that the average household income was stagnant while almost all the gains were being captured at the upper end. To keep up, households took on more and more installment debt, much of which was funneled into the stock market. During the last decade, incomes were stagnant while almost all the gains went to the top, so people took on more and more mortgage debt, some to prop up consumption and the rest to go into housing speculation. What turned that sharp recession in 1930 into the Great Depression, was a series of bank runs and horrible monetary policy.

 

[JRK]

Yes, because you say so. Got it.

By a similar point in the 1920 Depression unemployment had already dropped from 12% down to 4% but you keep snorting the Hopey Change Kool Aid

This is a quiz, Frank: What circumstances make the 1920 Depression similar to the 2007 recession? What circumstances make them different?

Hint: Balance sheets and wars.

The 1920 recession is not the analogy to use today. The 1920 recession was due to a drop off of war spending and the reintroduction of soldiers back into the general economy. This recession is more akin to the Depression, which was initially caused by a build-up of speculative debt followed by an asset bubble crash, just like the 00s. The 1920s and the 2000s were also similar in that the average household income was stagnant while almost all the gains were being captured at the upper end. To keep up, households took on more and more installment debt, much of which was funneled into the stock market. During the last decade, incomes were stagnant while almost all the gains went to the top, so people took on more and more mortgage debt, some to prop up consumption and the rest to go into housing speculation. What turned that sharp recession in 1930 into the Great Depression, was a series of bank runs and horrible monetary policy.

The first mistake every Liberal makes is to claim that the "gains" were all upper class

They were allowed to keep more of there own wealth as was every person who paid in income tax, if you use the simple rates as provided
Now of course I do not understand our tax system, but I do understand that I have brought home about 35,000 more from 03-to the present than if we would have remained on Clinton's rates
Tax Brackets (Federal Income Tax Rates) 2000 through 2011

I would also like to add that inflation has been for the most part stag-net

As a liberal I would like to ask you of you remember an event called 9-11?
do you think it had anything to do with our economy changing from 2001?
How about these job numbers?

do they reflect the event or do they reflect the recession of 2001? that began officially in 3/2001
000...... 131,785 110,995 24,649 599 6,787 17,263
2001...... 131,826 110,708 23,873 606 6,826 16,441
2002...... 130,341 108,828 22,557 583 6,716 15,259
2003...... 129,999 108,416 21,816 572 6,735 14,510
2004...... 131,435 109,814 21,882 591 6,976 14,315
2005...... 133,703 111,899 22,190 628 7,336 14,226
2006...... 136,086 114,113 22,531 684 7,691 14,155
2007...... 137,598 115,380 22,233 724 7,630 13,879
2008...... 136,790 114,281 21,334 767 7,162 13,406

Sure look allot better than we do now huh? especially sense we did not print 3 trillion dollars in bonds to get those results in 24 months

As a liberal do you think this event no liberal mentions when they discuss GWB term as president, 9-11, it has no impact on his presidency?

Denial is not a river in Egypt

 

[sparky]

Denial is not a river in Egypt

It's a tidal wave since citizens united vs, the fec....

 

[KissMy]

In fact, with the current slashes in Government spending, we will lose even more jobs

I hope they don't raise the debt limit.

Every time I see a lazy blood-sucking government employee lose their job it bring a little smile to my face.

Every time I see a lazy blood-sucking government employee lose their "Taxpayer Funded Defined Benefit Pension" I JUMP FOR JOY!!!!!!



It is about time these assholes get a taste of the unemployment & misery they have caused the private sector.

 

[JRK]

I still do not understand why no-one from the left mentions 9-11 and all of the changes in our government that took place after 9-11
its like it never happened
There are some who think this is personal

It is a mess and I am hoping 1 person at a time we can cahnge the heart and soul of those ones who voted for Obama