What is your breaking point?

[G.T.]

Why is it such a far leap to think it couldn't happen again; this time with political enemies?
Every communist country started out with the same Utopian ideals Progressives have now, but resorted to "reeducation camps" to squash dissent.

Because we have a first Amendment, and information passes faster today than anytime EVER in the History of the US.

If they started putting hoards of innocent people in internment camps, how tdo you honestly think that will effect the populace? Would you watch it happen? I wo09uldn't. But what's the business about whining over hypotheticals? I'm confident it will never happen. Do you know any military? They're not going to armed guard innocent hoards of Americans. They're our families & friends.

Then there's world bodies, etc.


I mean, I'm really not as scared of this shit as you guys seem to be because I will fight if I have to, and I'm cool with that. But................I don't have to.

You'd have thought the German army wouldn't have supported interning Jews, but a skillful orator can turn an ideological enemy into a perceived threat. I do see little chance of it happening with obama. He's not that good, but who's to say the US can't someday, have it's own Hitler

If they do, then it's their own fault <--that's pretty much the bottom line.

 

[rightwinger]

The second amendment was placed into the constitution by the founders for that sole purpose, so that the citizens have a means to protect themselves from government. It has nothing to do with insecurities, it has everything to do with liberty. If the second amendment fails, so does the rest of your rights. Do you honestly think that if we did not have the second amendment that this government would not have run rough shod over us years ago? They would have.

The First Amendment has done more to protect our freedom than the second amendment ever will

Yes, because talking shit to an armed intruder has saved more lives than shooting one.

That is personal safety.

Your freedom is protected by that media you hate so much. They are the ones who report crooked politicians, they are the ones who keep government in check, they are the ones who report on injustice and abuse of power

It is not done at the point of a gun

 

[007]

If you anti second amendment people hate guns so much, then go live in China.

Anyone comes to my door to confiscate my guns and I will shoot them in the face.

 

[WatertheTree]

My breaking points are the continuing attempts by the RW to give "big gubmint" more control of my personal life and decisions as defined by neo-con morals.

Can you explain who in the RW is doing this and what exactly they are doing to gain control of your personal life and decisions?
Also, would you agree that the individual mandate in obamacare "All signed into law by the left" would also take control of your personal life and decisions on healthcare?

Do I really need to explain?

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as abortion.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal conversations between patients and doctors. If a patient doesn't want their doctor to ask about guns in the home they can simply not answer or change doctors.

I don't want the gubmint telling someone they can't get married just because they are gay.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as euthanaisia.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as recreational drug use.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as life and death decision like it did with Terri Schiavo's family.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as whether a woman (or man) chooses to sell their time and bodies for sexual services.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in spying on me and support repeal of the so-called Patriot Act.

Oh....as for the "individual mandate"? NOW all of the sudden it's "socialism" when it was originally a wingnut sponsored idea?

You sir, are a conservative, shocking to know that is traditionaly a RW party.

The Ron Paul camp welcomes you.

 

[grunt11b]

Why is it such a far leap to think it couldn't happen again; this time with political enemies?
Every communist country started out with the same Utopian ideals Progressives have now, but resorted to "reeducation camps" to squash dissent.

Exactly, and here is something that should be seen and heard, it's about Obamas buddy william ayers and his beliefs. Should give you insight on the mentality of this president and his friends towards us, the people.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMIwziGrAQ]Larry Grathwohl on Ayers' plan for American re-education camps and the need to kill millions - YouTube[/ame]

This is because we have a liberal government in power. IF we had a conservative leaning government, the liberals would be screaming about the government intruding in everyone's bedrooms. They would say the days of lynching are coming back, and jim crow. Republicans won't let people take all the drugs they want. The poor will starve and the sick die. The libs have just as many complaints and are just as strident as conservatives.

The division is in the people who elect the government. That's where the breaking point is. This nation will not remain. It has no choice but to eventually collapse. It does not have the support of the people it purports to represent.

It has more support than the left leaning propagandists would like you to believe, the vast majority of america "The working class" still support america and what she stands for, it's the OWS entitlement class that would love to let it slide into the abyss, and Obama is the mechanism being used at the moment to accomplish that, remember, he did say he wanted to fundamentally transform america. He wasn't kidding.

 

[grunt11b]

From Websters:
Definition of MARRIAGE
1: the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law

Being un-open to the bending and breaking of "tradition" is also a form of anti-freedom, you know.

If said tradition is against the law, is it really anti-freedom?

 

[grunt11b]

Nope. I just don't want some big gubmint RW hypocritical asshole trying to tell me how to live up to HIS morals.

But I will admit your "dictionary" comment got by me.

From Websters:
Definition of MARRIAGE
1: the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law

Ok. Just because YOU think it's wrong YOU want others to conform to YOUR perception of morals.

Got it.

BTW....thanks for proving my point.

If the people in your state want to vote in gay marriage by all means they have every right, but if the vast majority vote it out, that's the end of it, you should not expect 95% of the people to cater to what 5% want. It's why it was left to the states, to allow the people to decide because it is not an issue the government should be meddling in.

 

[rightwinger]

If you anti second amendment people hate guns so much, then go live in China.

Anyone comes to my door to confiscate my guns and I will shoot them in the face.

Second amendment remedies

Gotta love em

 

[G.T.]

From Websters:
Definition of MARRIAGE
1: the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law

Being un-open to the bending and breaking of "tradition" is also a form of anti-freedom, you know.

If said tradition is against the law, is it really anti-freedom?

yea, the law doesn't dictate what should and shouldn't be freedoms............what should and shouldnt be freedoms is what should dictate the law.

upholding some made-up societal pledge by law while disallowing same sex people to take the same phony pledge legally doesn't sound like freedom to me

 

[grunt11b]

The First Amendment has done more to protect our freedom than the second amendment ever will

Yes, because talking shit to an armed intruder has saved more lives than shooting one.

That is personal safety.

Your freedom is protected by that media you hate so much. They are the ones who report crooked politicians, they are the ones who keep government in check, they are the ones who report on injustice and abuse of power

It is not done at the point of a gun

My freedom has and always will be protected by the military, the media does not protect my freedoms, they lie and manipulate the populace into believing the lies that the politicians want you to believe. There is no such thing as the press anymore, it's all controlled by the puppet masters in washington.
When has MSNBC or cnn or cbs ever reported Obamas background with Ayers and weather underground during his run up to election? You did not hear a peep, but if that had been a republican they would have run them through the ringers. It's apparent you put your faith in government and the media that covers for them. The media was in the bag for obama from the get go, and anyone who is not blind knows it, they dont report facts anymore, the report what is convenient to their agenda.
Soldiers protect our freedoms, not msnbc.

 

[G.T.]

From Websters:
Definition of MARRIAGE
1: the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law

Ok. Just because YOU think it's wrong YOU want others to conform to YOUR perception of morals.

Got it.

BTW....thanks for proving my point.

If the people in your state want to vote in gay marriage by all means they have every right, but if the vast majority vote it out, that's the end of it, you should not expect 95% of the people to cater to what 5% want. It's why it was left to the states, to allow the people to decide because it is not an issue the government should be meddling in.

exactly, state or federal, and definitely not other people deciding for the 5% either.

 

[G.T.]

Yes, because talking shit to an armed intruder has saved more lives than shooting one.

That is personal safety.

Your freedom is protected by that media you hate so much. They are the ones who report crooked politicians, they are the ones who keep government in check, they are the ones who report on injustice and abuse of power

It is not done at the point of a gun

My freedom has and always will be protected by the military, the media does not protect my freedoms, they lie and manipulate the populace into believing the lies that the politicians want you to believe. There is no such thing as the press anymore, it's all controlled by the puppet masters in washington.
When has MSNBC or cnn or cbs ever reported Obamas background with Ayers and weather underground during his run up to election? You did not hear a peep, but if that had been a republican they would have run them through the ringers. It's apparent you put your faith in government and the media that covers for them. The media was in the bag for obama from the get go, and anyone who is not blind knows it, they dont report facts anymore, the report what is convenient to their agenda.
Soldiers protect our freedoms, not msnbc.

Yet, somehow, from SOME media source somewhere, you researched to come to your conclusion

"they lie and manipulate the populace into believing the lies that the politicians want you to believe. There is no such thing as the press anymore, it's all controlled by the puppet masters in washington."


how's that work

 

[grunt11b]

Can you explain who in the RW is doing this and what exactly they are doing to gain control of your personal life and decisions?
Also, would you agree that the individual mandate in obamacare "All signed into law by the left" would also take control of your personal life and decisions on healthcare?

Do I really need to explain?

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as abortion.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal conversations between patients and doctors. If a patient doesn't want their doctor to ask about guns in the home they can simply not answer or change doctors.

I don't want the gubmint telling someone they can't get married just because they are gay.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as euthanaisia.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as recreational drug use.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as life and death decision like it did with Terri Schiavo's family.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as whether a woman (or man) chooses to sell their time and bodies for sexual services.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in spying on me and support repeal of the so-called Patriot Act.

Oh....as for the "individual mandate"? NOW all of the sudden it's "socialism" when it was originally a wingnut sponsored idea?

You sir, are a conservative, shocking to know that is traditionaly a RW party.

The Ron Paul camp welcomes you.

I know right? I found it funny that him and I agree on just about everything, but he is also against conservatism, makes no damn sense.

 

[Katzndogz]

Ok. Just because YOU think it's wrong YOU want others to conform to YOUR perception of morals.

Got it.

BTW....thanks for proving my point.

If the people in your state want to vote in gay marriage by all means they have every right, but if the vast majority vote it out, that's the end of it, you should not expect 95% of the people to cater to what 5% want. It's why it was left to the states, to allow the people to decide because it is not an issue the government should be meddling in.

exactly, state or federal, and definitely not other people deciding for the 5% either.

That is anarchy.

 

[DaGoose]

Can you explain who in the RW is doing this and what exactly they are doing to gain control of your personal life and decisions?
Also, would you agree that the individual mandate in obamacare "All signed into law by the left" would also take control of your personal life and decisions on healthcare?

Do I really need to explain?

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as abortion.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal conversations between patients and doctors. If a patient doesn't want their doctor to ask about guns in the home they can simply not answer or change doctors.

I don't want the gubmint telling someone they can't get married just because they are gay.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as euthanaisia.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as recreational drug use.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as life and death decision like it did with Terri Schiavo's family.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as whether a woman (or man) chooses to sell their time and bodies for sexual services.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in spying on me and support repeal of the so-called Patriot Act.

Oh....as for the "individual mandate"? NOW all of the sudden it's "socialism" when it was originally a wingnut sponsored idea?

You sir, are a conservative, shocking to know that is traditionaly a RW party.

The Ron Paul camp welcomes you.

And THAT, my friend, is the point I've been making all along. It's gotta be shocking to those who thought they were conservative all along.

 

[G.T.]

If the people in your state want to vote in gay marriage by all means they have every right, but if the vast majority vote it out, that's the end of it, you should not expect 95% of the people to cater to what 5% want. It's why it was left to the states, to allow the people to decide because it is not an issue the government should be meddling in.

exactly, state or federal, and definitely not other people deciding for the 5% either.

That is anarchy.

It's anarchy not to let the state and feds regulate marriage? Don't think so.

 

[grunt11b]

If you anti second amendment people hate guns so much, then go live in China.

Anyone comes to my door to confiscate my guns and I will shoot them in the face.

Second amendment remedies

Gotta love em

Constitutional right to keep and bear arms comes before fascist assholes stripping you of those rights, we dont expect you to understand.

 

[grunt11b]

Being un-open to the bending and breaking of "tradition" is also a form of anti-freedom, you know.

If said tradition is against the law, is it really anti-freedom?

yea, the law doesn't dictate what should and shouldn't be freedoms............what should and shouldnt be freedoms is what should dictate the law.

upholding some made-up societal pledge by law while disallowing same sex people to take the same phony pledge legally doesn't sound like freedom to me

I dont care if they wanna bang each other in the ass to be honest, I really could care less. but right now that is not the law, and the federal government has no authority in the constitution to do anything with the matter, it is left to the states to decide, and many already have. The only people bringing it up still are you knuckleheads on the left, it would be a non issue if you guys would leave it the hell alone.

 

[grunt11b]

Being un-open to the bending and breaking of "tradition" is also a form of anti-freedom, you know.

If said tradition is against the law, is it really anti-freedom?

yea, the law doesn't dictate what should and shouldn't be freedoms............what should and shouldnt be freedoms is what should dictate the law.

upholding some made-up societal pledge by law while disallowing same sex people to take the same phony pledge legally doesn't sound like freedom to me

DOMA is law.

 

[grunt11b]

Ok. Just because YOU think it's wrong YOU want others to conform to YOUR perception of morals.

Got it.

BTW....thanks for proving my point.

If the people in your state want to vote in gay marriage by all means they have every right, but if the vast majority vote it out, that's the end of it, you should not expect 95% of the people to cater to what 5% want. It's why it was left to the states, to allow the people to decide because it is not an issue the government should be meddling in.

exactly, state or federal, and definitely not other people deciding for the 5% either.

If it is not in the constitution it is specifically left to the states, what part of that dont you understand? That is the law, you dont have to like it, but it is the law.