What is wrong with some people

[bigrebnc1775]

A public option needed to be killed off because despite your please of a 98% efficiency rating mediaire is in the red insuring just a small percentage of Americans.

Except a public option would run on the funds of the patrons, much like a private insurance does, instead of taxes, as the other programs do.

This post applies to you. Just because two programs have something in common does not make them the same.

What if I did not want to be enrolled in the public option?

 

[MikeK]

A major problem with the existing health care system, whether privately or federally (Medicare/Medicaid) funded, is the medical bureaucracy, as manifest in the following example.

Some time ago I pulled a hangnail and developed an painful infection on a Friday evening. It was too late to call my GP so I went to a hospital emergency ward. To shorten the long story I spent four hours there which included a long clerical interview and about two hours lying in a ward bed, fully dressed but covered with a sheet. A tired intern, who seemed bored and annoyed by my relatively minor complaint, insisted on surgically opening the infection in spite of my request for an antibiotic prescription. The bottom line was a stinging incision, a half-hour soak in Betadyne, a huge bandage and two days inconvenience during healing.

None of the above was necessary. I'd had the same infection twice before, once in the military and once during my GP's normal office hours. Both times I was given penicillin tablets. Both times the infection receded within minutes and was gone within hours. But the bottom line in this emergency ward situation was my insurance provider was billed over six hundred dollars (for "surgery") and I was hit with a $175 co-pay.

When I had the same infection while in the Marine Corps I walked over to Sick Bay, a Navy Medical Corpsman looked at the finger and gave me a little box of penicillin tablets. The whole thing took about ten minutes and the infection was gone within a few hours.

Another time, while on field maneuvers in the Philippines, I developed a huge boil on an inner thigh that was painfully disabling. A Navy Corpsman, who appeared to be no older than I, gave me a shot of novocaine, a penicillin shot, he lanced the boil, put a drain in it, dressed it and gave me a little box of penicillin tablets. All this took about half an hour and was done in a squad tent -- and I was back on my bulldozer next day.

The point I wish to make is too much time, money and talent is wasted in our Country's hospital emergency wards, most of which is the result of treating the poor and indigent for everything from minor injuries to major medical problems. The problems are the bureaucratic procedures and the legal requirement that every case, no matter how minor, must be treated by an MD.

I've described my emergency ward situation and how it compared with basically the same situation in the military examples. Massive, unnecessary waste!

There is a great deal of educated talent going to waste in the form of nurse practicioners, ex-military medics and trained EMTs who quite competently could handle a significant percentage of emergency room cases, most of which are relatively minor complaints. I believe that appropriately situated walk-in medical centers, open to the poor and indigent, including the illegal populations, would take the pressure off hospital emergency wards and dramatically reduce the overall cost of public health care. And the bottom line argument in favor of such a program is if that level of treatment is good enough for military personnel it certainly is good enough for the poor and indigent.

 

[ConHog]

Hmmm so some are justifying socialized healtchare by claiming it's no different than socialized education or socialized law enforcement? Well here's one difference, and it's a a significant one. Schools and police departments are government entities as are roads, etc etc. Hospitals and private insurance companies are just that, private.

The idea of affordable health care for all is a noble one, and personally I don't see the problem with requiring everyone to have some form of insurance; but this notion that this law will keep people from being denied health care is ridiculous. The idea that this bill needed to be so large, and so complex in order to accomplish the goal of lowering costs is ridiculous. There is only one reason to make something so cumbersome, and that is to make it difficult to get to the bottom of what's really going on. Even the devil said "well have to pass the bill to see what's in it." Say what???????

Healthcare could have been "reformed" by simply declaring it to be a public utility and regulating the costs the same way the government now does with utilities. That has worked for well over 40 years in the utility industry and would have worked here, but Obama needed more so that he could begin the process of converting us over to a single payer health care system, which has never worked.

And lastly, can anyone tell me of a single government program that has EVER accomplished its goals on time and on budget? This bill hadn't even been implemented yet when the CBO came back and said well our initial estimates were off, this bill will cost MUCH more than we originally thought.

better this bill than your idea of government price-fixing. marketized healthcare is vastly superior to that. markets have worked for well over 200 years in the united states.

that you feel this is some step toward a single payer sistem is nothing short of ignorance. that i contend that it is a logical and creative progression of our existing healthcare system - arguably the best on the planet - is supported by consideration of the HMO act of 1973, which is responsible for the nature of private care in the US. in just about every developed nation on the planet, private health industry pales in proportion to the public system.

The ignorance is on your part.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE]YouTube - Obama on single payer health insurance[/ame]

Obama has ALWAYS been a proponent of a single payer system, AND he has always maintained that we would have to get there by taking small steps until we are there. This Bill is one such step.

See this what I don't understand, you idiots either just don't know what Obama is about, or you just don't care to admit it because you know it flies in the face of what most Americans want. Honestly I think it's a mix, I think that most who support Obama and his plans are just stupid people who don't even know what is they are supporting. I think some are people who know exactly what they are supporting and they know that it flies in the face of democracy and so they try to hide the real truth.

Your man is a socialist, you're either

A) An idiot if you don't acknowledge that fact

or

B) A liar for not acknowledging that fact

There is no option C.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Will the hand-wringing never end? The US was the only first world nation without socialized medicine. I dunno if what we got in the health care bill qualifies as that, but it's a step. If there are weird things in the bill -- as seems to be the case -- hopefully in time, they can be removed.

The answer is yes, I want to live in a nation where none of my neighbors are denied health care. I'm just as socialist as the average Canadian.

You people need a new tune to play; this one is o-l-d.

Nobody is denied healthcare.. nice talking point though.

Next

 

[SmarterThanHick]

What if I did not want to be enrolled in the public option?

Then you don't enroll in the public option. That's what makes it an OPTION.

I believe that appropriately situated walk-in medical centers, open to the poor and indigent, including the illegal populations, would take the pressure off hospital emergency wards and dramatically reduce the overall cost of public health care. And the bottom line argument in favor of such a program is if that level of treatment is good enough for military personnel it certainly is good enough for the poor and indigent.

How would that solve the problem? You would have still needed to wait because actual emergencies take priority, and the doctors would have still needed to perform the full standard of care. Removing poor people doesn't mean doctors change how they practice medicine. Tort reform does that. Regardless what we have is the "expert" medical opinion of a lay person as to whether an incision was necessary or not. Sorry to say, but I don't believe your experience seeing something mildly similar twice before compares to an ER doctor.

 

[HUGGY]

Will the hand-wringing never end? The US was the only first world nation without socialized medicine. I dunno if what we got in the health care bill qualifies as that, but it's a step. If there are weird things in the bill -- as seems to be the case -- hopefully in time, they can be removed.

The answer is yes, I want to live in a nation where none of my neighbors are denied health care. I'm just as socialist as the average Canadian.

You people need a new tune to play; this one is o-l-d.

Nobody is denied healthcare.. nice talking point though.

Next

Tell that to the woman who two weeks or so ago went to a local hospital to have her baby and was sent home and had her baby in the cab. She was denied.

 

[xsited1]

Will the hand-wringing never end? The US was the only first world nation without socialized medicine. I dunno if what we got in the health care bill qualifies as that, but it's a step. If there are weird things in the bill -- as seems to be the case -- hopefully in time, they can be removed.

The answer is yes, I want to live in a nation where none of my neighbors are denied health care. I'm just as socialist as the average Canadian.

You people need a new tune to play; this one is o-l-d.

Nobody is denied healthcare.. nice talking point though.

Next

Tell that to the woman who two weeks or so ago went to a local hospital to have her baby and was sent home and had her baby in the cab. She was denied.

I hope she gave the cab driver a tip. I doubt she cleaned up after herself.

 

[ConHog]

Will the hand-wringing never end? The US was the only first world nation without socialized medicine. I dunno if what we got in the health care bill qualifies as that, but it's a step. If there are weird things in the bill -- as seems to be the case -- hopefully in time, they can be removed.

The answer is yes, I want to live in a nation where none of my neighbors are denied health care. I'm just as socialist as the average Canadian.

You people need a new tune to play; this one is o-l-d.

Nobody is denied healthcare.. nice talking point though.

Next

Tell that to the woman who two weeks or so ago went to a local hospital to have her baby and was sent home and had her baby in the cab. She was denied.

Link or it's just an anecdote

 

[L.K.Eder]

Nobody is denied healthcare.. nice talking point though.

Next

Tell that to the woman who two weeks or so ago went to a local hospital to have her baby and was sent home and had her baby in the cab. She was denied.

Link or it's just an anecdote

hilarious coming from confabulatinghog

 

[rightwinger]

Why does a person want to live in a socialist system?

Because I love living in America. The confluence of socialism and capitalism has made this country a great place to live.

One day you will wake up and ask where did my freedoms go that is if you are free to think when that time comes.

Can you name a single industrialized country that is less socialist than the US??

 

[L.K.Eder]

Because I love living in America. The confluence of socialism and capitalism has made this country a great place to live.

One day you will wake up and ask where did my freedoms go that is if you are free to think when that time comes.

Can you name a single industrialized country that is less socialist than the US??

russia in the 90's

 

[ConHog]

What if I did not want to be enrolled in the public option?

Then you don't enroll in the public option. That's what makes it an OPTION.

I believe that appropriately situated walk-in medical centers, open to the poor and indigent, including the illegal populations, would take the pressure off hospital emergency wards and dramatically reduce the overall cost of public health care. And the bottom line argument in favor of such a program is if that level of treatment is good enough for military personnel it certainly is good enough for the poor and indigent.

How would that solve the problem? You would have still needed to wait because actual emergencies take priority, and the doctors would have still needed to perform the full standard of care. Removing poor people doesn't mean doctors change how they practice medicine. Tort reform does that. Regardless what we have is the "expert" medical opinion of a lay person as to whether an incision was necessary or not. Sorry to say, but I don't believe your experience seeing something mildly similar twice before compares to an ER doctor.

Yeah right, like the public option would be funded solely by those who choose to enroll? of course it wouldn't . Are you truly stupid enough to believe it would, or are you simply hoping that we are?

 

[ConHog]

Because I love living in America. The confluence of socialism and capitalism has made this country a great place to live.

One day you will wake up and ask where did my freedoms go that is if you are free to think when that time comes.

Can you name a single industrialized country that is less socialist than the US??

Can you name a single industrial country that is more socialized than the US and more successful?

 

[ConHog]

Tell that to the woman who two weeks or so ago went to a local hospital to have her baby and was sent home and had her baby in the cab. She was denied.

Link or it's just an anecdote

hilarious coming from confabulatinghog

Really? I make a claim I produce a link..........

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What if I did not want to be enrolled in the public option?

Then you don't enroll in the public option. That's what makes it an OPTION.

I believe that appropriately situated walk-in medical centers, open to the poor and indigent, including the illegal populations, would take the pressure off hospital emergency wards and dramatically reduce the overall cost of public health care. And the bottom line argument in favor of such a program is if that level of treatment is good enough for military personnel it certainly is good enough for the poor and indigent.

How would that solve the problem? You would have still needed to wait because actual emergencies take priority, and the doctors would have still needed to perform the full standard of care. Removing poor people doesn't mean doctors change how they practice medicine. Tort reform does that. Regardless what we have is the "expert" medical opinion of a lay person as to whether an incision was necessary or not. Sorry to say, but I don't believe your experience seeing something mildly similar twice before compares to an ER doctor.

Yeah right, like the public option would be funded solely by those who choose to enroll? of course it wouldn't . Are you truly stupid enough to believe it would, or are you simply hoping that we are?

Just like a hammer dead on the head of a nail

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Because I love living in America. The confluence of socialism and capitalism has made this country a great place to live.

One day you will wake up and ask where did my freedoms go that is if you are free to think when that time comes.

Can you name a single industrialized country that is less socialist than the US??

Everybody is more socialist then America.

 

[L.K.Eder]

One day you will wake up and ask where did my freedoms go that is if you are free to think when that time comes.

Can you name a single industrialized country that is less socialist than the US??

Everybody is more socialist then America.

faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat finger

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Can you name a single industrialized country that is less socialist than the US??

Everybody is more socialist then America.

faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat finger

And!!!!

 

[L.K.Eder]

Everybody is more socialist then America.

faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat finger

And!!!!

then some!!!

 

[KissMy]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsOsp086Hn4&playnext_from=TL&videos=mdR86zjE7kg"]Average Democrat[/ame]