What is wrong with some people

[rightwinger]

Here in America no one has ever been denied Healthcare.

"Denied healthcare" and being bankrupted by it are different things.

A friend of mine recently moved back to Canada because she could not afford the treatment it would have cost her had she stayed in the US.

That sounds like a pretty sweet deal. Can't afford health care in the US? Just move to Canada and let them pay for it!

key phrase...."back to Canada"

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Volunteer fire companies do not pay for their equipment, local comunities do. A non-socialist fire company would arrive at a fire and ask you how you intend to pay them for putting it out. Will that be cash or charge?
Private schools are great if you can afford to pay. Millions of Americans would go without education if they had to pay for it out of pocket. The country as a whole benefits from an educated workforce ...proving that socialism works

Oh yes they do pay for their equiptment, why do they ask people to donate to them to help pay for a new fire truck?

LOL...

No they are not asking you to pay for a new firetruck with the quarters you throw in the basket. Fire Trucks cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, training a "volunteer" costs thousands of dollars.......the local community pays that through taxes

The money you throw in a basket usually pays for some social events or even health insurance for firefighters who do not have it.

The volunteer fire departments in my neck of the woods get more then just pocket change, they get trucks and equipment.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Do you not realize that socialism is the prefered economical system that creates a dictatorship?

More labels designed to produce not much more than fear.

Tell me how you follow the money. Tell me specifically what in the health care bill you oppose - odds are I oppose those specifics too. Tell me specifically what type of bureaucracy you think is most appropriate to manage the dollars collected from customers and paid to providers, and how the bureaucrats charged with running it should be paid.

I am sick and fucking tired of political arguments riding on the single-wheeled claim of "it's Socialism, that's why!"

Instead of talking point labels, give me specifics and give me answers.

Labels are good they are used to identify things.

Tell me specifically what in the health care bill you oppose - odds are I oppose those specifics too.

I oppose the healthcare law because even in it's weaken water down form the government now has a door open to have their single payer option. The government cannot in noway shape or from to deliever what they said they could. They will ration even the most basic of care.

Tell me specifically what type of bureaucracy you think is most appropriate to manage the dollars collected from customers and paid to providers

I am not for no government but what happens in the private sector should stay in the private sector. But if the provider does not provide what was paid for then we do have the courts to take care of that. With this healthcare law you will not be able to sue the provider if you do not get the care that you are supposed to get.

Why is it imperative to the 'American Way of Life' that the bureaucracy we hire to track our health care financial paperwork be private?

Pay the doctors well enough to attract more doctors to the profession?

Pay the nurses well enough to attract more nurses to the profession?

Pay for the latest and greatest in technology and health care public education?

Pay the bureaucrats that manage the system of paying the bills bonuses in the 7 figure range?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why is it imperative to the 'American Way of Life' that the bureaucracy we hire to track our health care financial paperwork be private?

Pay the doctors well enough to attract more doctors to the profession?

Pay the nurses well enough to attract more nurses to the profession?

Pay for the latest and greatest in technology and health care public education?

Pay the bureaucrats that manage the system of paying the bills bonuses in the 7 figure range?

Why do you need a bureaucrat to tell you how to mange your healthcare? what is mine is mine even my healthcare I do not need a bureaucrat to tell me how to maintain my health.
Yes pay the doctors and nurses through services rendered. but with this healthcare law the doctors and nurses will be paid by a certain price, set by bureaucrats.
The latest and greatest in technology comes from the private sector, with this healthcare law even that will come to slow halt.

 

[rightwinger]

Oh yes they do pay for their equiptment, why do they ask people to donate to them to help pay for a new fire truck?

LOL...

No they are not asking you to pay for a new firetruck with the quarters you throw in the basket. Fire Trucks cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, training a "volunteer" costs thousands of dollars.......the local community pays that through taxes

The money you throw in a basket usually pays for some social events or even health insurance for firefighters who do not have it.

The volunteer fire departments in my neck of the woods get more then just pocket change, they get trucks and equipment.

and state grants..

No Volunteer Company can afford the buildings, equipment, maintenance and training it takes to keep a fire company going. The labor is free....everything else gets paid for by the state and local community

Volunteerism and socialism at its finest

 

[bigrebnc1775]

LOL...

No they are not asking you to pay for a new firetruck with the quarters you throw in the basket. Fire Trucks cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, training a "volunteer" costs thousands of dollars.......the local community pays that through taxes

The money you throw in a basket usually pays for some social events or even health insurance for firefighters who do not have it.

The volunteer fire departments in my neck of the woods get more then just pocket change, they get trucks and equipment.

and state grants..

No Volunteer Company can afford the buildings, equipment, maintenance and training it takes to keep a fire company going. The labor is free....everything else gets paid for by the state and local community

Volunteerism and socialism at its finest

Are you saying the two are the same or some how connected?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why does a person want to live in a socialist system? Why do they want more government control of their lives? Is it because they want handout's from the government? Do they wish to surrender their individual rights for a few scraps from the governments table of taxes? Open your eyes people just look at the new Healthcare Law, there are a lot of mandates in it, requirements to buy something that you may not need or want. Could it be that people are afraid of failure is that why they crave socialism?

How do you pay for your health insurance, if you have it?

out of my pocket.

Then what are you complaining about? You're buying healthcare in the market, right? No one is taking that privilege away from you, right?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

How do you pay for your health insurance, if you have it?

out of my pocket.

Then what are you complaining about? You're buying healthcare in the market, right? No one is taking that privilege away from you, right?

Have you read the new healtcare law? Any changes done to your current healthcare coverage will force you on the government plan. even if your comapny drops you.

 

[rightwinger]

out of my pocket.

Then what are you complaining about? You're buying healthcare in the market, right? No one is taking that privilege away from you, right?

Have you read the new healtcare law? Any changes done to your current healthcare coverage will force you on the government plan. even if your comapny drops you.

Did you miss the entire Healthcare debate?

There is no "government plan"

 

[rightwinger]

The volunteer fire departments in my neck of the woods get more then just pocket change, they get trucks and equipment.

and state grants..

No Volunteer Company can afford the buildings, equipment, maintenance and training it takes to keep a fire company going. The labor is free....everything else gets paid for by the state and local community

Volunteerism and socialism at its finest

Are you saying the two are the same or some how connected?

Yes they are connected and complimentary. The "socialist" Gubmint recognizes the greater good of having fire companies and provides funding to ensure their continued success

 

[HUGGY]

Why does a person want to live in a socialist system? Why do they want more government control of their lives? Is it because they want handout's from the government? Do they wish to surrender their individual rights for a few scraps from the governments table of taxes? Open your eyes people just look at the new Healthcare Law, there are a lot of mandates in it, requirements to buy something that you may not need or want. Could it be that people are afraid of failure is that why they crave socialism?

Why does a person want to live in a socialist system?

Two words.. pothole repair

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Then what are you complaining about? You're buying healthcare in the market, right? No one is taking that privilege away from you, right?

Have you read the new healtcare law? Any changes done to your current healthcare coverage will force you on the government plan. even if your comapny drops you.

Did you miss the entire Healthcare debate?

There is no "government plan"

No government plan? Whats the law for? I guess you missed where I said with the healthcare law the government now has a door open to have the single payer system

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why does a person want to live in a socialist system? Why do they want more government control of their lives? Is it because they want handout's from the government? Do they wish to surrender their individual rights for a few scraps from the governments table of taxes? Open your eyes people just look at the new Healthcare Law, there are a lot of mandates in it, requirements to buy something that you may not need or want. Could it be that people are afraid of failure is that why they crave socialism?

Why does a person want to live in a socialist system?

Two words.. pothole repair

Some government is good it helps to maintain a strong infrastructure but once the government oversteps their authority in the name of social reform then it becomes a dictatorship. Soon the government will make create a law that will force the people to buy a GM "green" car under the guise of supporting America and climate change.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

and state grants..

No Volunteer Company can afford the buildings, equipment, maintenance and training it takes to keep a fire company going. The labor is free....everything else gets paid for by the state and local community

Volunteerism and socialism at its finest

Are you saying the two are the same or some how connected?

Yes they are connected and complimentary. The "socialist" Gubmint recognizes the greater good of having fire companies and provides funding to ensure their continued success

Explain how they are the same? To volunteer is not to be mandated by a central government.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

Here in America no one has ever been denied Healthcare.

False. You can't be denied emergency care. You can be denied for anything else.

How do you pay for your health insurance, if you have it?

out of my pocket.

That's swell. But what happens if you're hit with a surgery that costs tens of thousands of dollars? Or a hospital stay that is over $100,000? You're still going to pay out of pocket?

No, you're going to do what everyone else in your position does: beg.

And it will be at the cost of everyone already paying for health insurance.

I oppose the healthcare law because even in it's weaken water down form the government now has a door open to have their single payer option. The government cannot in noway shape or from to deliever what they said they could. They will ration even the most basic of care.

So you're basing your judgment off a conspiracy theory that isn't actually what's happening right now. Smart.

I am not for no government but what happens in the private sector should stay in the private sector. But if the provider does not provide what was paid for then we do have the courts to take care of that. With this healthcare law you will not be able to sue the provider if you do not get the care that you are supposed to get.

False and false. The new healthcare law does not remove, inhibit, or prevent the exact same private insurance companies from conducting business as usual. Furthermore, the healthcare law does not stop a patient from suing their doctor for negligence. It's clear you don't actually know what the new policy actually says. You may want to figure that out before saying it's bad.

 

[rightwinger]

Have you read the new healtcare law? Any changes done to your current healthcare coverage will force you on the government plan. even if your comapny drops you.

Did you miss the entire Healthcare debate?

There is no "government plan"

No government plan? Whats the law for? I guess you missed where I said with the healthcare law the government now has a door open to have the single payer system

I'm sorry....you obviously did miss the healthcare debate and now need to change your statement

"Have you read the new healtcare law? Any changes done to your current healthcare coverage will force you on the government plan. even if your comapny drops you "

You claim there is a government plan people will be forced into. Now you are claiming if there was a plan (leaving the door open) people will be forced into it.

Thanks for playing

 

[rightwinger]

Are you saying the two are the same or some how connected?

Yes they are connected and complimentary. The "socialist" Gubmint recognizes the greater good of having fire companies and provides funding to ensure their continued success

Explain how they are the same? To volunteer is not to be mandated by a central government.

Volunteer firemen are controlled by the evil gubmint... The socialist government sets standards on who can be a fireman, amount of training required and funding

I said the two are complementary not the same. Find a dictionary

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Here in America no one has ever been denied Healthcare.

False. You can't be denied emergency care. You can be denied for anything else.

Once again No one can be denied healthcare. If anyone in America has ever been denied healthcare give your source. As a matter fact have any illegals been denied healthcare in America?

out of my pocket.

That's swell. But what happens if you're hit with a surgery that costs tens of thousands of dollars? Or a hospital stay that is over $100,000? You're still going to pay out of pocket?

No, you're going to do what everyone else in your position does: beg.

And it will be at the cost of everyone already paying for health insurance.

No I was hit with with a 50,000 hospital bill with no insurence. I set up a plan with the hospital to pay for the bill.

I oppose the healthcare law because even in it's weaken water down form the government now has a door open to have their single payer option. The government cannot in noway shape or from to deliever what they said they could. They will ration even the most basic of care.

So you're basing your judgment off a conspiracy theory that isn't actually what's happening right now. Smart.

No conspiracy it's a fact.Government healthcare law will lead to single payer.

I am not for no government but what happens in the private sector should stay in the private sector. But if the provider does not provide what was paid for then we do have the courts to take care of that. With this healthcare law you will not be able to sue the provider if you do not get the care that you are supposed to get.

False and false. The new healthcare law does not remove, inhibit, or prevent the exact same private insurance companies from conducting business as usual. Furthermore, the healthcare law does not stop a patient from suing their doctor for negligence. It's clear you don't actually know what the new policy actually says. You may want to figure that out before saying it's bad.

You are wrong

Let's explore the five freedoms that Americans would lose under Obamacare:

1. Freedom to choose what's in your plan

The bills in both houses require that Americans purchase insurance through "qualified" plans offered by health-care "exchanges" that would be set up in each state. The rub is that the plans can't really compete based on what they offer. The reason: The federal government will impose a minimum list of benefits that each plan is required to offer.
Today, many states require these "standard benefits packages" -- and they're a major cause for the rise in health-care costs. Every group, from chiropractors to alcohol-abuse counselors, do lobbying to get included. Connecticut, for example, requires reimbursement for hair transplants, hearing aids, and in vitro fertilization.

The Senate bill would require coverage for prescription drugs, mental-health benefits, and substance-abuse services. It also requires policies to insure "children" until the age of 26. That's just the starting list. The bills would allow the Department of Health and Human Services to add to the list of required benefits, based on recommendations from a committee of experts. Americans, therefore, wouldn't even know what's in their plans and what they're required to pay for, directly or indirectly, until after the bills become law.

EDITED
please keep what you take from elsewhere down to a couple of paragraphs and link to the rest of the information.

care
You'll lose 5 key freedoms under Obama's health care plan - Jul. 24, 2009

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Did you miss the entire Healthcare debate?

There is no "government plan"

No government plan? Whats the law for? I guess you missed where I said with the healthcare law the government now has a door open to have the single payer system

I'm sorry....you obviously did miss the healthcare debate and now need to change your statement

"Have you read the new healtcare law? Any changes done to your current healthcare coverage will force you on the government plan. even if your comapny drops you "

You claim there is a government plan people will be forced into. Now you are claiming if there was a plan (leaving the door open) people will be forced into it.

Thanks for playing

No asswhole the statement shall remain as is and thanks for playing fool.

 

[rightwinger]

No government plan? Whats the law for? I guess you missed where I said with the healthcare law the government now has a door open to have the single payer system

I'm sorry....you obviously did miss the healthcare debate and now need to change your statement

"Have you read the new healtcare law? Any changes done to your current healthcare coverage will force you on the government plan. even if your comapny drops you "

You claim there is a government plan people will be forced into. Now you are claiming if there was a plan (leaving the door open) people will be forced into it.

Thanks for playing

No asswhole the statement shall remain as is and thanks for playing fool.

Thanks for running away....coward