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Poor people don't have computers, moron. There are no poor in the government either, moron. Raygun almost tripled the national debt. Shrub daddy almost doubled it again in only four years. Shrub Jr. doubled it again adding more than all presidents before him, added together. And destroyed the economy. The last three con POTUS's have added $11 trillion of of the $17 trillion. Obama added $6 trillion cleaning up Shrub Jr.s mess.Incorrect. That when your ancestors and their ilk became Marxist scumbags determined to destroy Capitalism and the producers.
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It's "YOUR" capitalistic GREED that makes YOU the scumbag.
HUH?
Are you hungover?
I believe the problem is your PARASITIC GREED -after spending 20 trillion you fuckers are still "poor.
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It is not pessimistic to recognize the futile efforts to change the political condition in this country. It is all contrived through wealth.
With the political ideology of many. let those with wealth have free reign to do what they must to appease their own conditions.
Every attempt to revise or put constraints on to the small percentage of individuals who control the very aspect of this nation is met with ridicule and hatred.
I think this really nails the way many on the 'left' mis-perceive free market ideology. To those of us who favor free markets, it's not a question of whether wealthy people will have free reign to 'appease their own conditions'. Wealth represents economic power, control over the application of labor and resources. And the question we're wrestling with is whether economic power should be held by government, or distributed among individuals.
When so many try to restrict the rights of it's citizens to vote it appears to be a subversive way to gain more power by those who can afford to pay others to do their bidding. It has nothing what so ever to do with the free market.
Not once was there a comment about restricting the free market.
When so many try to restrict the rights of it's citizens to vote it appears to be a subversive way to gain more power by those who can afford to pay others to do their bidding. It has nothing what so ever to do with the free market.
Not once was there a comment about restricting the free market.
Well, i think the government's power to interfere in our economic freedom (thus restricting the free market) is the context of the discussion. The OP want's to limit the power of people to gain economic power via voting. The idea being that those who are the beneficiaries of wealth redistribution shouldn't be allowed to vote for more of it. It's a conflict of interest.
As I've said, I think limiting voting rights is the wrong way to address this issue. The problem is that government has the power to interfere with economic freedom in the first place. That's what needs to be prohibited.
Please be brief. I will briefly state that there probably are 100 things (or more) wrong with America, but I will state just one for now >>
America is too much run by rich people. Members of Congress, the President and Vice-President, and members of the Supreme Court are generally all rich people. What do they know about middle class, lower middle class, and poor people's lives ? How can they make decisions about things they have no experience with, or have long forgotten from years past ? When have these people ever been unemployed, and out looking for a job, with a wide variety of things being used against them ? (credit reports, smear talk from former employers often untrue, etc). The last time I applied for a job I was told I would never get hired because employers require RECENT employment in that job occupation (within last 2 years). There's probably a long list of ways people can be denied a job, that shouldn't exist, and don't make sense.
Researching the dismal record of many, not all, but many corporations that only see the bottom dollar are their motive is a long stride away from what this country needs.
Restricting voting in any manner for citizens of a republic is deplorable.
We hail when the third world countries we have occupied allow their citizens to vote freely, but here we seem to think restricting votes are the need of this country
Who perpetuates this belief?
The rich and powerful. Do keep their hold on every economic situation in their power.
Something needs to balance that out. Government. Our Republic.
Researching the dismal record of many, not all, but many corporations that only see the bottom dollar are their motive is a long stride away from what this country needs.
Restricting voting in any manner for citizens of a republic is deplorable.
We hail when the third world countries we have occupied allow their citizens to vote freely, but here we seem to think restricting votes are the need of this country
Who perpetuates this belief?
The rich and powerful. Do keep their hold on every economic situation in their power.
Something needs to balance that out. Government. Our Republic.
That doesn't add up. It's not just the rich and powerful who don't want government seizing economic power. Economic freedom impacts all of us - ask anyone being forced to buy insurance they don't want under ACA.
Again, it isn't a question of limiting economic power. It's a question of who holds economic power, government or individuals. In either case, ambitious people will seek such power, but if they do it via government their power is multiplied by combining economic power with political power. That's a recipe for tyranny.
Then you really would be getting only wealthy people to run for office since they would be the only ones who could afford to go between 2-6 years without drawing a salary.
Then how about paying them, but only a modest income ? With a stop to all money input in elections. And all one term only (eliminating the drive to be re-elected)
Ok, that's better ... but who's gonna decide what their salaries will be?
Please be brief. I will briefly state that there probably are 100 things (or more) wrong with America, but I will state just one for now >>
America is too much run by rich people. Members of Congress, the President and Vice-President, and members of the Supreme Court are generally all rich people. What do they know about middle class, lower middle class, and poor people's lives ? How can they make decisions about things they have no experience with, or have long forgotten from years past ? When have these people ever been unemployed, and out looking for a job, with a wide variety of things being used against them ? (credit reports, smear talk from former employers often untrue, etc). The last time I applied for a job I was told I would never get hired because employers require RECENT employment in that job occupation (within last 2 years). There's probably a long list of ways people can be denied a job, that shouldn't exist, and don't make sense.
It's voting system.
The voting system is designed to create a maintain a two headed monster.
Au contraire. The rich are the powerful in this country and they know full well that they only enhance their power by owning and controlling the government.
Researching the dismal record of many, not all, but many corporations that only see the bottom dollar are their motive is a long stride away from what this country needs.
Restricting voting in any manner for citizens of a republic is deplorable.
We hail when the third world countries we have occupied allow their citizens to vote freely, but here we seem to think restricting votes are the need of this country
Who perpetuates this belief?
The rich and powerful. Do keep their hold on every economic situation in their power.
Something needs to balance that out. Government. Our Republic.
That doesn't add up. It's not just the rich and powerful who don't want government seizing economic power. Economic freedom impacts all of us - ask anyone being forced to buy insurance they don't want under ACA.
Again, it isn't a question of limiting economic power. It's a question of who holds economic power, government or individuals. In either case, ambitious people will seek such power, but if they do it via government their power is multiplied by combining economic power with political power. That's a recipe for tyranny.
Au contraire. The rich are the powerful in this country and they know full well that they only enhance their power by owning and controlling the government.
That doesn't add up. It's not just the rich and powerful who don't want government seizing economic power. Economic freedom impacts all of us - ask anyone being forced to buy insurance they don't want under ACA.
Again, it isn't a question of limiting economic power. It's a question of who holds economic power, government or individuals. In either case, ambitious people will seek such power, but if they do it via government their power is multiplied by combining economic power with political power. That's a recipe for tyranny.
The rich aren't the only powerful people, but there's no question ambitious people have learned that controlling government is the surest way to amass economic power. The problem is that most of our efforts to curb this practice center around further enhancing government power to interfere in our economic decisions. That merely 'feeds the monster' because, as you acknowledge, the targets of such reform have firm control over that power. Despite whatever intentions might drive reform initiatives, they invariable favor the interests of the wealthy and powerful.
The only reliable way to prevent the powerful from using government to enhance their wealth is to keep government out of economic matters entirely.
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When do you stop them from exploiting individuals[?]
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When do you stop them from exploiting individuals[?]
I don't. Attempting to do so, with government, is exactly where modern liberalism makes its biggest misstep. Our Constitution affords individuals will all the power required to avoid being exploited. Corporations, businesses, and people in general, should be prohibited by government from coercing or defrauding others. But as long as economic transactions are honest and voluntary, it's up to those making the decisions to look out for their own interests and make their own judgment as to what is exploitative and what is beneficial. Vesting the power to make those decisions with government, rather than with the individual, is taking from each of us one of the most important freedoms we have.
Au contraire. The rich are the powerful in this country and they know full well that they only enhance their power by owning and controlling the government.
That doesn't add up. It's not just the rich and powerful who don't want government seizing economic power. Economic freedom impacts all of us - ask anyone being forced to buy insurance they don't want under ACA.
Again, it isn't a question of limiting economic power. It's a question of who holds economic power, government or individuals. In either case, ambitious people will seek such power, but if they do it via government their power is multiplied by combining economic power with political power. That's a recipe for tyranny.
The rich aren't the only powerful people, but there's no question ambitious people have learned that controlling government is the surest way to amass economic power. The problem is that most of our efforts to curb this practice center around further enhancing government power to interfere in our economic decisions. That merely 'feeds the monster' because, as you acknowledge, the targets of such reform have firm control over that power. Despite whatever intentions might drive reform initiatives, they invariable favor the interests of the wealthy and powerful.
The only reliable way to prevent the powerful from using government to enhance their wealth is to keep government out of economic matters entirely.
If this anti-business regulation notion prevailed in America, Merck would still be producing the dangerous drug Vioxx, and thousands of Americans would still be dying from it. This is just one example among many....
When do you stop them from exploiting individuals[?]
I don't. Attempting to do so, with government, is exactly where modern liberalism makes its biggest misstep. Our Constitution affords individuals will all the power required to avoid being exploited. Corporations, businesses, and people in general, should be prohibited by government from coercing or defrauding others. But as long as economic transactions are honest and voluntary, it's up to those making the decisions to look out for their own interests and make their own judgment as to what is exploitative and what is beneficial. Vesting the power to make those decisions with government, rather than with the individual, is taking from each of us one of the most important freedoms we have.
Au contraire. The rich are the powerful in this country and they know full well that they only enhance their power by owning and controlling the government.
The rich aren't the only powerful people, but there's no question ambitious people have learned that controlling government is the surest way to amass economic power. The problem is that most of our efforts to curb this practice center around further enhancing government power to interfere in our economic decisions. That merely 'feeds the monster' because, as you acknowledge, the targets of such reform have firm control over that power. Despite whatever intentions might drive reform initiatives, they invariable favor the interests of the wealthy and powerful.
The only reliable way to prevent the powerful from using government to enhance their wealth is to keep government out of economic matters entirely.
FALSE! Redistribution of wealth through high taxation on the rich is a reliable and efficient way of preventing the powerful from using government to enhance their wealth. It is also supported by an overwhelming majority of the American people, as shown by a litany of polls.
Americans Support Higher Taxes. Really. | Stan Collender's Capital Gains and Games
