What is the U.S. goal in Ukraine?

[georgephillip]

The error is that assuming such a meeting took place 30 years ago had anything to do with an invasion started last year.

There's no assumption involved.
Such a meeting took place, and it is part of a long term plan designed to bring regime change to Russia regardless of how many innocent human beings are maimed, murdered, and displaced in the process:

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl...40901_140901-Backgrounder_NATO-Ukraine_en.pdf

"NATO-UKRAINE relations:

"The background NATO’s relationship with Ukraine dates back to the very first days of Ukraine’s independence. In the quarter-century since, NATO and Ukraine have built a distinctive partnership which has consistently been strengthened over the years.

"1992: The first outreach Just four months after Ukraine’s declaration of independence, NATO invited its representative to an extraordinary meeting of the North Atlantic Cooperation Council, the body set up to shape cooperation between NATO and the states of the former Warsaw Pact.

"All participants in the meeting declared their determination to 'work together towards a new, lasting order of peace in Europe through dialogue, partnership, and cooperation' http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_"

 

[Mushroom]

Any claim from a "questionable source" should be easy to refute, yet, so far, all you've managed are childish ad hominem responses

Actually, I did nothing of the sort. I actually referenced a very well respected source that rates sites on bias and reliability. And they gave that source a complete and utter failure.

You are the one making attacks, I simply used a reliable reference.

And posting from a bogus site to try and validate your claim is a complete fail.

 

[Soupnazi630]

When Victoria Nuland choose the Ukrainian Prime Minister, she engineered an illegal coup that overthrew a democratically elected president.

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

No it was not,Assuning that Nuland even said it ( which is not known ) it is merely stating an opinion

 

[Soupnazi630]

There's no assumption involved.
Such a meeting took place, and it is part of a long term plan designed to bring regime change to Russia regardless of how many innocent human beings are maimed, murdered, and displaced in the process:

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl...40901_140901-Backgrounder_NATO-Ukraine_en.pdf

"NATO-UKRAINE relations:

"The background NATO’s relationship with Ukraine dates back to the very first days of Ukraine’s independence. In the quarter-century since, NATO and Ukraine have built a distinctive partnership which has consistently been strengthened over the years.

"1992: The first outreach Just four months after Ukraine’s declaration of independence, NATO invited its representative to an extraordinary meeting of the North Atlantic Cooperation Council, the body set up to shape cooperation between NATO and the states of the former Warsaw Pact.

"All participants in the meeting declared their determination to 'work together towards a new, lasting order of peace in Europe through dialogue, partnership, and cooperation' http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_"

Weong.

By definition it is all assumption.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There's no assumption involved.
Such a meeting took place, and it is part of a long term plan designed to bring regime change to Russia regardless of how many innocent human beings are maimed, murdered, and displaced in the process:

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl...40901_140901-Backgrounder_NATO-Ukraine_en.pdf

"NATO-UKRAINE relations:

"The background NATO’s relationship with Ukraine dates back to the very first days of Ukraine’s independence. In the quarter-century since, NATO and Ukraine have built a distinctive partnership which has consistently been strengthened over the years.

"1992: The first outreach Just four months after Ukraine’s declaration of independence, NATO invited its representative to an extraordinary meeting of the North Atlantic Cooperation Council, the body set up to shape cooperation between NATO and the states of the former Warsaw Pact.

"All participants in the meeting declared their determination to 'work together towards a new, lasting order of peace in Europe through dialogue, partnership, and cooperation' http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_"

Vlad's Nads Gave Soyboys the Sads

 

[Ringo]

The US goal in Ukraine is to help the Ukrainians defend themselves against an unprovoked and unjust invasion.

Why is hypocrisy disgusting? Because it is one of the worst kinds of lies.
Remember the bombing of Serbia by NATO aggressors? What excuse was given to justify that crime? The protection of civilians!
When Russia for 8 years talked about the need to stop shelling Donbass by Ukrainian bandits (don't forget that there were about 700 thousand Russian citizens living in Donbass) and finally, in view of the desire of Kyiv nazis to solve the problem by force, decided to protect people of Donbass by armed force. then the hypocritical scum of the West squealed about "unprovoked" aggression...!
It is quite obvious that the US political elite thinks, that they are allowed to do anything on the planet. Others are not.

 

[Ringo]

 

[ralfy]

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[LuckyDuck]

Aside from "making the world safe for democracy" or some similar claptrap, what is the specific goal of U.S.policy towards Ukrainian territory? Is it to restore Ukrainian sovereignty over its 2020 borders with Russia, or is it to restore its sovereignty over Crimea, which was "annexed" by Russia in 2014? Or are we simply giving a blank check to Ukranian President Zelinsky to do whatever he wants?

Goal: To test out its most up to date military armament, wargames just aren't real enough.

 

[Ringo]

Goal: To test out its most up to date military armament, wargames just aren't real enough.

You forgot to mention huge profit for MIC

 

[Hector12]

Goal: To test out its most up to date military armament, wargames just aren't real enough.

That is certainly one goal. It would also be beneficial for the Russian Federation to collapse.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Ringo]

According to the Minsk agreements, Ukrainian forces were to be withdrawn beyond the shelling of Dobas. As we have already learned from the statements of Western politicians, they were not going to abide by the Minsk agreements. So the fact of shelling of Donbass, front lines, or civilian objects is already a crime on the part of the Ukrainian rebels who committed the 2014 coup d'etat in Ukrаine. They should have been crushed in 2014.

 

[Litwin]

There's no assumption involved.
Such a meeting took place, and it is part of a long term plan designed to bring regime change to Russia regardless of how many innocent human beings are maimed, murdered, and displaced in the process:

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl...40901_140901-Backgrounder_NATO-Ukraine_en.pdf

"NATO-UKRAINE relations:

"The background NATO’s relationship with Ukraine dates back to the very first days of Ukraine’s independence. In the quarter-century since, NATO and Ukraine have built a distinctive partnership which has consistently been strengthened over the years.

"1992: The first outreach Just four months after Ukraine’s declaration of independence, NATO invited its representative to an extraordinary meeting of the North Atlantic Cooperation Council, the body set up to shape cooperation between NATO and the states of the former Warsaw Pact.

"All participants in the meeting declared their determination to 'work together towards a new, lasting order of peace in Europe through dialogue, partnership, and cooperation' http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_"

BREAKING : GRU WAGNER UPRISING , INFIGHTING BETWEEN GRU WAGNER and Putin´s army, Prigozhin, 19:52 BST audio message, saying "there's 25,000 of us, joi

BREAKING : GRU WAGNER UPRISING , INFIGHTING BETWEEN GRU WAGNER and Putin´s army, Prigozhin, 19:52 BST audio message, saying "there's 25,000 of us, join us": GIRKIN :

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Litwin]

There's no assumption involved.
Such a meeting took place, and it is part of a long term plan designed to bring regime change to Russia regardless of how many innocent human beings are maimed, murdered, and displaced in the process:

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl...40901_140901-Backgrounder_NATO-Ukraine_en.pdf

"NATO-UKRAINE relations:

"The background NATO’s relationship with Ukraine dates back to the very first days of Ukraine’s independence. In the quarter-century since, NATO and Ukraine have built a distinctive partnership which has consistently been strengthened over the years.

"1992: The first outreach Just four months after Ukraine’s declaration of independence, NATO invited its representative to an extraordinary meeting of the North Atlantic Cooperation Council, the body set up to shape cooperation between NATO and the states of the former Warsaw Pact.

"All participants in the meeting declared their determination to 'work together towards a new, lasting order of peace in Europe through dialogue, partnership, and cooperation' http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_"

KREMLIN PANIC

️️ “There is panic in the presidential administration, they do not exclude the scenario of the start of a civil war.”

- Source close to the Presidential Administration.

Source: @AteoBreaking


️Peskov, Putin’s Spokesman says “Putin will now take all needed measures.”

 

[JohnDB]

According to the Minsk agreements, Ukrainian forces were to be withdrawn beyond the shelling of Dobas. As we have already learned from the statements of Western politicians, they were not going to abide by the Minsk agreements. So the fact of shelling of Donbass, front lines, or civilian objects is already a crime on the part of the Ukrainian rebels who committed the 2014 coup d'etat in Ukrаine. They should have been crushed in 2014.

Prigozhin of Wagner Group mercenaries has outed that Russian claims (what you are repeating) are all fabricated lies. So pick something else that might carry traction.

 

[georgephillip]

KREMLIN PANIC

️️ “There is panic in the presidential administration, they do not exclude the scenario of the start of a civil war.”

- Source close to the Presidential Administration.

Source: @AteoBreaking


️Peskov, Putin’s Spokesman says “Putin will now take all needed measures.”

Will he die for Ukraine?

 

[Litwin]

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Will he die for Ukraine?

they will die for vodka ,loot and drugs

 

[georgephillip]

they will die for vodka ,loot and drugs

Crimea by Tuesday?

 

[Litwin]

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Crimea by Tuesday?