what is the alt right?

Let's remind all that every presidential assassin in the history of the nation has been a liberal- or has not been associated with a political outlook- none were right-wingers.

So you believe that Booth was a liberal? Then how do you explain Guiteau? The Republicans of the latter 19th century were the liberals of their day. Now, you may deny that and attempt to paint Booth as a liberal, but then that leaves you with a dilemma. Guiteau assassinated Garfield after continued (albeit incompetent) advocacy for Grant, Garfield, and the Republican party. His crime was spurred because the President denied his applications to a various jobs within the administration.


This is what I said: every presidential assassin in the history of the nation has been a liberal- or has not been associated with a political outlook- none were right-wingers.

And, of course, as usual, I am totally correct.

"Then how do you explain Guiteau? "
Simple...almost as simple as your are:

Charles J. Guiteau, who shot President James Garfield, was part of a utopian commune, the Oneida Community, where free love was practiced.
What could be more "liberal."

You can find that here: Ackerman, “Dark Horse: The Surprise Election and Political Murder of President James A. Garfield,” p.135


Let's remind all of the attempt to hide behind, and obfuscate via the various meaning of "Liberal."

Classical liberal, the Founders, would be known as conservatives today.
That is proven simply by the following litmus test: those liberals, and today's conservatives have doctrines based on individualism, limited constitutional government, and free markets.


Colloquial 'Liberals'....e.g., Obama, Bill's wife, and Democrat voters, endorse none of those.

Horse shit, Spandex girl. The term "Liberal" has never changed. Your Revisionista "classic" song and dance is one more lame attempt to Doublethink an existing term into its own opposite so that you and your fellow travellers may pervert it. Been going on since the Red Scare daze. It still ain't selling.

And NO, the Founders could in no way be called "conservatives" in any stretch of that term. They were radicals, upsetting the existing apple cart of the First and Second Estates with the radical ideas that power derives from the People. There is no way in hell you can call that "conservative". The actual conservatives of the time were the Loyalists.

You should prolly try to peddle this kind of revisionist crapola somewhere where nobody knows their history or political science.


" The term "Liberal" has never changed."

I'll let you choose: are you a liar, a fool or both?


For the education of those who might believe your lie:

1. The 'Greatest Lie" is the one that the modern Liberals tell. They claim that those called Liberals today are the liberals who founded this great nation. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Founders were 'classical liberals,' whose vision included . individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government. That's why they wrote out a detailed Constitution.

a. Communist John Dewey, the one who corrupted education in this country, convinced the Socialist Party to change its name to 'Liberal.' And it's values and doctrines formed those called Liberals today.

The benefit to them, of course, is that the uninformed attribute the greatness of the Founders, of America, to them.

Now....which 'Liberals' today espouse individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Certainly not the socialists/communists known as the Democrat Party



2. The Progressives were in such disrepute after the Wilson Administration, that the name ‘Progressive’ had to be re-branded. John Dewey renamed Progressivism as ‘liberalism,’ which had referred to political and economic liberty, along the lines of John Locke and Adam Smith: maximum individual freedom under a minimalist state. Dewey changed the meaning to the Prussian meaning: alleviation of material and educational poverty, and the removal of old ideas and faiths. Classical liberals were not called Conservatives.



3. “Finally, Dewey arguably did more than any other reformer to repackage progressive social theory in a way that obscured just how radically its principles departed from those of the American founding. Like Ely and many of his fellow progressive academics, Dewey initially embraced the term "socialism" to describe his social theory. Only after realizing how damaging the name was to the socialist cause did he, like other progressives, begin to avoid it. In the early 1930s, accordingly, Dewey begged the Socialist party, of which he was a longtime member, to change its name. "The greatest handicap from which special measures favored by the Socialists suffer," Dewey declared, "is that they are advanced by the Socialist party as Socialism.” FindArticles.com | CBSi



Bet you really hate it when I catch you lying, huh?
 
Democrats and Republicans have the very same characteristics that they always had.

Booth favored slavery and segregation and second class citizenship.

These are the identifying characteristics of the Democrats/Liberals up to an including this very day.

:lmao: That's not even remotely within smelling distance of vaguely close.

Political parties are not some ideological rock that never moves. Their purpose is to consolidate political power. That's it.
How they go about that depends on which way the political and social winds blow at the time.

Elementary PoliSci for the uninitiated:
When the Republican Party was founded in 1854 they represented Liberalism (by virtue of their advocacy of Abolition) and they represented big central government (by virtue of absorbing the dying Whig Party, which disintegrated because it could not make up its mind on slavery). The Democrats at the time were the party of "states rights" -- smaller central government -- and like many parties of the first half of the 19th century, failed to address the question of slavery, wanting to have it both ways.

That morphed however at the turn of the next century when the RP took on the interests of the rich and the corporations, while the DP absorbed the Populist movement, associations that largely continue to this day. That pushed the RP to the right and the DP to the left. No better examples of these two currents were the Roosevelts --- Teddy attempting to keep the RP "Progressive" and Liberal in his third-party run in 1912, and FDR executing the agenda of the Populists and Progressives in the '30s.

"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." -- a Liberal said that.


You need to crack a history book someday, Toots.



Let's proceed to show how simple it is to destroy a Liberal liar (is that redundant?)

Some of the Left's lies are so transparent that it is hard to imagine any but the most committed simpletons believing them.


Yet they do....or claim they do.


Like this: "Well...yeah, everyone knows that early Democrats were the party of slavers...but then...around the 1960s the two parties flip-flopped their positions on slavery, segregation and black people....and it is the Republicans who decided to become the racists!!!

Yup.....that's it!"

(I left out all the 'duh's' that would be appropriate for said dialogue.)


Since their acolytes cannot deny that that the inception of the Republican Party was motivated by a hatred of slavery and segregation, while the Democrats were the party of Jim Crow laws and the KKK, they claim that circa 1960, while the Democrats suddenly had an epiphany, and saw the error of their ways.....the Republicans suddenly developed a hatred of blacks and a desire for segregation.


Yes....many of the dimwits actually claim that...the poster this is addressed to in particular.

Hard to imagine that they believe it...but they claim it.



The pretense is eminently simple to disprove.


Ask a Leftist, Democrat supporter what the chances are that, after a lifetime of believing as he does, arguing DNC talking points, reading the NYTimes, and watching MSNBC, being indoctrinated...er, 'taught' in government schools, and watching Comedy Central for his news.....

.....what he thinks the chances would be that he woke up tomorrow praising George Bush's election and presidency, and voting Republican.




And that calculation represents the same chance that Republicans and conservatives suddenly decided to become racists.
 
How absurd: I never lie.

Which is a lie.

I caught her lying so many times she tucked tail and put me on ignore. Another notch on my belt.

Yeah, she's really a one trick pony. Repeat the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

Regardless of the fact that it isn't true.
 
How absurd: I never lie.

Which is a lie.

I caught her lying so many times she tucked tail and put me on ignore. Another notch on my belt.

Yeah, she's really a one trick pony. Repeat the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

Regardless of the fact that it isn't true.



Are you actually enough of a moron to imagine that exhibiting your perseveration (better look that up, you dunce) is enough to deny the truth I've posted....and documented???


What you have done is validate what I regularly post about the only sort of reply you morons are capable of.
This: "duh, is not, issssss noottttttt!!!"

You simply took more time doing it.
 
How absurd: I never lie.

Which is a lie.

I caught her lying so many times she tucked tail and put me on ignore. Another notch on my belt.

Yeah, she's really a one trick pony. Repeat the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

Regardless of the fact that it isn't true.



Are you actually enough of a moron to imagine that exhibiting your perseveration (better look that up, you dunce) is enough to deny the truth I've posted....and documented???


What you have done is validate what I regularly post about the only sort of reply you morons are capable of.
This: "duh, is not, issssss noottttttt!!!"

You simply took more time doing it.

 
alt-right = Political Ebonics


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He got killed by a communist, a member of today's mainstream alt-left Democrats.



Let's remind all that every presidential assassin in the history of the nation has been a liberal- or has not been associated with a political outlook- none were right-wingers.

John Wilkes Booth. First one.

:itsok:



How many times must I teach you this same lesson???

Take notes this time:
2. Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, “…an angry Copperhead, a.k.a., ‘peace democrat,’ (when that meant pro-slavery, of course.) John Wilkes Booth - Liberapedia
John Wilkes Booth

Exactly. "Right wing".

You need me to draw it out in stick figures?

Or are you so far gone that you think Lincoln was on the right? :rofl:
Name 2 modern Democrat stances that Lincoln would be for....

Lincoln would be leading the alt-right if he were alive today.
JFK too for that matter.
 
Let's remind all that every presidential assassin in the history of the nation has been a liberal- or has not been associated with a political outlook- none were right-wingers.

John Wilkes Booth. First one.

:itsok:



How many times must I teach you this same lesson???

Take notes this time:
2. Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, “…an angry Copperhead, a.k.a., ‘peace democrat,’ (when that meant pro-slavery, of course.) John Wilkes Booth - Liberapedia
John Wilkes Booth

Exactly. "Right wing".

You need me to draw it out in stick figures?

Or are you so far gone that you think Lincoln was on the right? :rofl:
Name 2 modern Democrat stances that Lincoln would be for....

Lincoln would be leading the alt-right if he were alive today.
JFK too for that matter.
The Kennedys would reel him in pretty quickly.
 
He got killed by a communist, a member of today's mainstream alt-left Democrats.



Let's remind all that every presidential assassin in the history of the nation has been a liberal- or has not been associated with a political outlook- none were right-wingers.

John Wilkes Booth. First one.

:itsok:



How many times must I teach you this same lesson???

Take notes this time:
2. Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, “…an angry Copperhead, a.k.a., ‘peace democrat,’ (when that meant pro-slavery, of course.) John Wilkes Booth - Liberapedia
John Wilkes Booth

Exactly. "Right wing".

You need me to draw it out in stick figures?

Or are you so far gone that you think Lincoln was on the right? :rofl:
Name 2 modern Democrat stances that Lincoln would be for....

Lincoln would be leading the alt-right if he were alive today.

:rofl: Not even close. In Lincoln's time the alt-right was the Klan just after he died, and just before, during his active life, it was the Know Nothing nativist party. Clearly he would have been opposite both of them.
 
Let's remind all that every presidential assassin in the history of the nation has been a liberal- or has not been associated with a political outlook- none were right-wingers.

John Wilkes Booth. First one.

:itsok:



How many times must I teach you this same lesson???

Take notes this time:
2. Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, “…an angry Copperhead, a.k.a., ‘peace democrat,’ (when that meant pro-slavery, of course.) John Wilkes Booth - Liberapedia
John Wilkes Booth

Exactly. "Right wing".

You need me to draw it out in stick figures?

Or are you so far gone that you think Lincoln was on the right? :rofl:
Name 2 modern Democrat stances that Lincoln would be for....

Lincoln would be leading the alt-right if he were alive today.

:rofl: Not even close. In Lincoln's time the alt-right was the Klan just after he died, and just before, during his active life, it was the Know Nothing nativist party. Clearly he would have been opposite both of them.



Gads, you're a fool...and totally resistant to learning


But....as the eternal optimist, I'll provide it once again.

  1. Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…” Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425
2. . "The night riders move through the darkness, white against the black road....they go about their business, their horsed draped, guns and bullwhips banging dully against saddles.

....this is the South Carolina of the 1870s, not of the turn of a new millennium, and the night riders are the terror of these times. they roam upcountry, visiting their version of justice on poor blacks and the Republicans that support them, refusing to bow to the requirements of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments."
From the novel "The White Road," by John Connolly



And nothing has changed....the most popular Democrat and former President has an unbroken record of racism throughout his entire political life.

Challenge me to prove it.
 
  1. And.....a century later, Republicans were still fighting the very same battle against the party of slavery, segregation, and second-class citizenship:
  2. 1966- Republican Spiro Agnew ran against Democrat segregationists George Mahoney for governor of Maryland. Agnew enacted some of the first laws in the nation against race discrimination in public housing. “Agnew signed the state's first open-housing laws and succeeded in getting the repeal of an anti-miscegenation law.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew#Governor_of_Maryland
 
Oboy! Low hangin' fruit, my favorite!!

Let's proceed to show how simple it is to destroy a Liberal liar (is that redundant?)

Some of the Left's lies are so transparent that it is hard to imagine any but the most committed simpletons believing them.

Already shoots itself in the foot. Poster doesn't know the difference between "Liberal" (in the first line) and "the Left" (in the second)

Already disqualified on basis of abject ignorance. But let's go on and bury the corpse anyway.


Like this: "Well...yeah, everyone knows that early Democrats were the party of slavers...but then...around the 1960s the two parties flip-flopped their positions on slavery, segregation and black people....and it is the Republicans who decided to become the racists!!!

Yup.....that's it!"

(I left out all the 'duh's' that would be appropriate for said dialogue.)

Sure would, and you left out the strawman illustration too.
The actual reality of course is that:

(a) slavery by a long shot preceded ANY political parties;

(b) the early Democrats, like most of the parties of that era save, finally, the Republicans, took no consistent position on the elephant-in-the-room question, playing both sides without a backbone;

(c) if there was a two-party flip-flop it would be at the turn of the 19th to 20th century when the RP took on the interests of the élite (corporations/the wealthy) and the DP took on the Populist movement, thereby setting up the slavery-cum-civil rights stances that would come later -- which neither party was yet willing to take on in that hyper-racist time; and..

(d) the "Republicans did not decide to become racists" but rather the other way 'round -- the Republicans as an institution solicited the racists -- as has been articulated by the party's own officials, and as the Democrats had previously, again showing no backbone trying to play both sides of the fence, until LBJ said "fuck it" in 1964.

History lesson in brief. Go forth and flesh it out.


Since their acolytes cannot deny that that the inception of the Republican Party was motivated by a hatred of slavery and segregation, while the Democrats were the party of Jim Crow laws and the KKK,

(a) is true; the RP was born (in its time) of Abolitionists and that segment of Whigs who favoured Abolition (e.g. Lincoln), that indecision on the part of the latter being the main reason for the party's demise;

(b1) actually it was the Democrats in the South --- by which we mean the whites in the South, association with the Party of Lincoln being unthinkable for 99 years -- that pushed Jim Crow, again demonstrating the same schism that split the party geographically... and (b2) the Klan has never had a political party association, in fact it went out of its way to avoid such an association, and was founded not by political activists but by young veteran Confederate soldiers and taken over by already-existing "night patrols" (in the first iteration) and by hyper-religious Know Nothing ideological descendants (in the second one).

That's enough low-hangin' fruit for now. I'm 'bout full. :: burp::
 
Alternative right, a blend of white supremacists, nationalists, Nazi lovers, nativists, xenophobes, misogynists, homophobes, and the extreme right wing.

Americans pretend there is no racism and yet the democrats have lost the white vote since civil rights. Coincidence. Trump's Mexican and immigration policies appeal to white Americans today. Reasons abound, see video at bottom. See this too, read it. Dog Whistle Politics

For the Record: For Trump, everything’s going to be alt-right

"Kritzer’s observation speaks volumes about the incoherence of the reactionary politics that are driving the Puppy campaign — and, in national politics, the Trump campaign. Despite all the claims to make America “great,” the actual behavior looks quite a bit like kneecapping the aspirations of women, people of color, and queer people so that straight white male mediocrities don’t have to deal with the competition." The alt-right attacks sci-fi: How the Hugo Awards got hijacked by Trumpian-style culture warriors

Has Hillary helped the GOP? http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/08/hillary_clinton_offers_the_gop_a_lifeboat_off_of_t rump_s_sinking_ship.html

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eE_iFHqR3c

"There was a market for white resentment": Tim Wise on Trump, David Duke and the bigotry that’s risen from the shadows

Read or listen: Interview with Tim Wise about what the Trump phenomenon portends for the future of U.S. politics
“There was a market for white resentment”: Tim Wise on Trump, David Duke and the bigotry that’s risen from the shadows

There is no racism because the democrats have lost.

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The rest of the story is 180 degrees from the reality, as to be expected.

All 3 were from a time that both parties were directly 180 degrees different from today. Due to FDR and congress of the time, there was an exchange of people between parties from both sides. It was happening during Eisenhower who also backed what those amendments stood for. As did Kennedy and Johnson. After 8 years of Democrats controlling Washington during Kennedy and Johnson and the decade of FDRs control, the Republican party was hijacked by some very unsavory people that had more in common with the failed Dixiecrats than the old republicans. The GOP never has been the same since.

Today, Teddy, Lincoln and Eisenhower have more in common with the Democratic Party than the GOP. Trump isn't the problem, he's just a symptom.
 

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