What is more important: keeping the government running or funding obamacare?

[Politico]

I don't see an option for neither. Oh well.

 

[Londoner]

What is more important: keeping the government running or funding obamacare?

assuming the hysteria over government shutdown would actually occur....

George Bush raised the debt ceiling 7 times to Obama's 3 (and Bush should be dinged with an 8th debt ceiling increase because his budget was in force during Obama's first year).

Once the Democratic party realized they had been fed false intelligence over the Iraq War, and once the war became unpopular with the American people, the Democratic House wanted to end it. But because it was legally passed, they accepted it. ObamaCare was legally passed.

Ronald Reagan raised the debt ceiling 17 times.
Bush 41 raised the debt ceiling 7 times.

We never heard a peep from Republicans about spending.

Reagan tripled Carter's spending.
Bush doubled Clinton's spending - and turned a balanced budget into historic deficits.

We never heard a peep from Republicans about spending.

The Democratic House under Reagan vehemently disagreed with Reagan's failed "Star Wars" project, which saddled the taxpayer with massive debt. Tip O'neill did not want to fund it. He knew it was a technological impossibility, and a give-away to GOP Weapons donors. Yet he never held the nation hostage to Reagan's historic spending and deficits.

Tip O'neill let Reagan raise the debt ceiling 17 times with some of the most irresponsible spending in U.S. history - and it injured him politically, but he never held the nation hostage, even after Reagan was terribly weakened b/c of initial reports of Iran-Contra that began surfacing prior to being officially investigated in 1988. Under Carter, Tip O'neill and the Democratic House spent a third less as compared to the spending Reagan demanded. Why don't people like you know history?

 

[candycorn]

What is more important: keeping the government running or funding obamacare?

assuming the hysteria over government shutdown would actually occur....

George Bush raised the debt ceiling 7 times to Obama's 3 (and Bush should be dinged with an 8th debt ceiling increase because his budget was in force during Obama's first year).

Once the Democratic party realized they had been fed false intelligence over the Iraq War, and once the war became unpopular with the American people, the Democratic House wanted to end it. But because it was legally passed, they accepted it. ObamaCare was legally passed.

Ronald Reagan raised the debt ceiling 17 times.
Bush 41 raised the debt ceiling 7 times.

We never heard a peep from Republicans about spending.

Reagan tripled Carter's spending.
Bush doubled Clinton's spending - and turned a balanced budget into historic deficits.

We never heard a peep from Republicans about spending.

The Democratic House under Reagan vehemently disagreed with Reagan's failed "Star Wars" project, which saddled the taxpayer with massive debt. Tip O'neill did not want to fund it. He knew it was a technological impossibility, and a give-away to GOP Weapons donors. Yet he never held the nation hostage to Reagan's historic spending and deficits.

Tip O'neill let Reagan raise the debt ceiling 17 times with some of the most irresponsible spending in U.S. history - and it injured him politically, but he never held the nation hostage, even after Reagan was terribly weakened b/c of initial reports of Iran-Contra that began surfacing prior to being officially investigated in 1988. Under Carter, Tip O'neill and the Democratic House spent a third less as compared to the spending Reagan demanded. Why don't people like you know history?

You don't understand;

Either every republican here disagreed with their party on this one (and only apparently--unil Obama does it) aspect of the Republican president's term or the first few trillion were the costs of doing business compared to those ran up by Clinton and Obama.

We'll see what the excuse is this week when they respond.

 

[Darkwind]

Which you weren’t required to do given the question’s partisan idiocy.

another liberal coward

it is a simple question based on the claim by you libs that the pubs are holding the government hostage, yet, when the question is actually posed to you, you claim it is idiotic, yet...you continue the stupid dishonest claim the pubs are holding the gov hostage

pound sand

It is the GOP causing all of this uncertainty.

How do you conclude that?

The GOP and the HOUSE have acted. The uncertainty stems from the Democrats and the Senate attempting to obstruct a positive outcome for this country.

I find it funny that no one on your side speaks to the fact that it is the Democrats who are saying no. They refuse to even work with the GOP, yet like good little marionettes, you people keep spewing the "GOP is obstructionist" meme.

Here is an idea.

Take the bill that has been voted on by the House, debate it on the floor of the Senate, and then hold an up or down vote.

Afraid that the country will see the Democrats for what they are?

 

[The T]

Quite frankly? NEITHER. I want the Government to DEFAULT so WE may reboot it to Constitutional construct. As to Obamacare? It will fall with the DEFAULT. Let the Democrats play their game. Republicans had better LET IT too...and don't blink. CALL the bluff of the Marxist Dems.

Fuck it. Time for ALL Americans to learn a lesson here. LET IT CRASH.

 

[The T]

And NO...I did NOT vote in the poll. MY choice wasn't there. Sorry.

 

[candycorn]

another liberal coward

it is a simple question based on the claim by you libs that the pubs are holding the government hostage, yet, when the question is actually posed to you, you claim it is idiotic, yet...you continue the stupid dishonest claim the pubs are holding the gov hostage

pound sand

It is the GOP causing all of this uncertaintyHow do you conclude that?.

The ACA is law. The GOP House passed a bill that doesn't fund the law... It would be like not funding the NEA because you don't like it, or the M1-A1 because you don't like it.

The GOP and the HOUSE have acted. The uncertainty stems from the Democrats and the Senate attempting to obstruct a positive outcome for this country.

The GOP and Dems don't have a role according to our Constitution. The House passed a budget bill that doesn't fund the government. The Senate needn't worry about it. What's next? A bill not allowing the Senate to run heaters or have Internet access?

I find it funny that no one on your side speaks to the fact that it is the Democrats who are saying no. They refuse to even work with the GOP, yet like good little marionettes, you people keep spewing the "GOP is obstructionist" meme.

Again, the bill is not worth consideration until it funds the Government.

Here is an idea.

Take the bill that has been voted on by the House, debate it on the floor of the Senate, and then hold an up or down vote.

Afraid that the country will see the Democrats for what they are?

I'll agree with you on that one. Nothing wrong with finding out where everyone stands. I'm actually in favor of getting rid of the Senate all together.

 

[The T]

It is the GOP causing all of this uncertainty.

How do you conclude that?

The ACA is law. The GOP House passed a bill that doesn't fund the law... It would be like not funding the NEA because you don't like it, or the M1-A1 because you don't like it.


The GOP and Dems don't have a role according to our Constitution. The House passed a budget bill that doesn't fund the government. The Senate needn't worry about it. What's next? A bill not allowing the Senate to run heaters or have Internet access?


Again, the bill is not worth consideration until it funds the Government.

Here is an idea.

Take the bill that has been voted on by the House, debate it on the floor of the Senate, and then hold an up or down vote.

Afraid that the country will see the Democrats for what they are?

I'll agree with you on that one. Nothing wrong with finding out where everyone stands. I'm actually in favor of getting rid of the Senate all together.

...WHAT is it with some of you folks that screw up quotes? GO FIGURE...Corrected.

 

[Plasmaball]

i think should all just loose their jobs for playing with Americas future like this .

 

[Yurt]

The Democrats aren't trying to shut the government down.

really? why not pass the spending bill that the house passed?

Because the House bill doesn't fund the government.

yes it does liar

 

[Yurt]

NO. The Republicans care about ENDING one program more than they care about all of the rest of the government.

If a Republican were president, and the Democrats said, we're going to shut down the government if the universal background check gun law isn't passed,

you're trying to tell us you'd side with the Democrats,

on principle?

Fuck off. lol

wow....what a hissy fit.

liberals are about ENDING ALL GOVERNMENT in order to save one program that is not even implemented yet

fuck off. lol

You voted in your own poll that it is more important to keep the government running.

Therefore, you cannot support the Republicans putting a specific partisan condition on keeping the government running,

because by doing so they are saying they are willing to keep the government from running, they are willing to shut down the government,

if their condition isn't met.

The act of putting conditions on whether or not the government will be shut down is taking the position that keeping the government running is not the more important of the two.

nope, you and the dems are putting the condition on keeping the government running. you can lie all day, but you can't turn lies into truth.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Can't vote. No option for NEITHER

 

[BreezeWood]

What is more important: keeping the government running or funding obamacare?

assuming the hysteria over government shutdown would actually occur....

Health Care Reform is the means to "keep the gov't running."

without an alternative to ACA the Republicans are doing neither.

 

[candycorn]

What is more important: keeping the government running or funding obamacare?

assuming the hysteria over government shutdown would actually occur....

Health Care Reform is the means to "keep the gov't running."

without an alternative to ACA the Republicans are doing neither.

Remember back when it was "repeal and replace"? Now it's just repeal. The GOP, sadly, has taken the tract of trying to have us believe that healthcare isn't broken.

Really, when was the last time you heard Boehner talk about the GOP plan? Apparently this is the GOP plan:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRnYlQmR1eQ]Amber Tamblyn and David Cross- Gynotician - YouTube[/ame]

 

[BreezeWood]

What is more important: keeping the government running or funding obamacare?

assuming the hysteria over government shutdown would actually occur....

Health Care Reform is the means to "keep the gov't running."

without an alternative to ACA the Republicans are doing neither.

Remember back when it was "repeal and replace"? Now it's just repeal. The GOP, sadly, has taken the tract of trying to have us believe that healthcare isn't broken.

Really, when was the last time you heard Boehner talk about the GOP plan? Apparently this is the GOP plan:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRnYlQmR1eQ]Amber Tamblyn and David Cross- Gynotician - YouTube[/ame]

the Republicans haven't caught on yet that to get back in charge they will need a plan that actually does appeal to 50% +1.

.

 

[Yurt]

What is more important: keeping the government running or funding obamacare?

assuming the hysteria over government shutdown would actually occur....

Health Care Reform is the means to "keep the gov't running."

without an alternative to ACA the Republicans are doing neither.

you're actually claiming that if obamacare is defunded, then the government will not run...

 

[Sallow]

It's not an either..or..

ObamaCare is the law.

And a part of the government.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

It's not an either..or..

ObamaCare is the law.

And a part of the government.

There's all sorts of laws that the government doesn't enforce in one way or the other. Governmental technicalities make anything possible.

 

[Yurt]

It's not an either..or..

ObamaCare is the law.

And a part of the government.

nope...it can be defunded and this will be constitutional

you can lie all day, but it doesn't change the fact you're still lying

 

[Yurt]

Can Appropriations Bills Defund Obamacare?

Some have argued that because much of Obamacare constitutes “mandatory” spending—namely, new entitlements such as the massive Medicaid expansion and exchange insurance subsidies—Congress is powerless to defund the entire law as part of its annual appropriations bills. These claims are false.

...

Given the examples above, and numerous others, it is beyond dispute that Congress can use its power of the purse to defund Obamacare—both its mandatory and discretionary spending—in appropriations legislation this fall. The lone remaining question is whether Congress can summon the political will to do so.

Can Appropriations Bills Defund Obamacare?