What is a vital U.S. Interest?

Yes, but only because we have an insane energy policy in this country. We could be energy self sufficient and actually sell to the rest of the world-----but no, because fossil fuels are evil and are destroying the world, causing the seas to rise, crops to die, polar bears to cry, and eskimos to lose their igloos ! of course none of that is true----but you fools believe it to our detriment.

Well no I think it was the rapid post war increased consumption that caused our demand outstripped our supply of cheap , easily produced, near surface oil, long before there was ever a cohesive energy policy.

we have enough supply to support our demand, but the current idiots in DC are not allowing us to harvest our own resources because of some foolish, unproven, THEORY about climate change caused by man.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/25/b...n-keeps-rising-beyond-the-forecasts.html?_r=0

OIL production in the United States rose by a record 992,000 barrels a day in 2013, the International Energy Agency estimated this week.

“We keep raising our forecasts, and we keep underestimating production,” said Lejla Alic, a Paris-based analyst with the agency.
 
The libs here, and their fellow travelling narco-libertarians, maintain that Ukraine is not a vital US interest and we need to stay away.
So what is a vital U.S. interest? Philippines? Cuba? Hawaii? California? At what point is action of any kind a necessity?

The Panama Canal (it was even a United States territory for quite some time, my grandfather was born there). That's about it. Anything on the other side of the world cannot be considered part of our vital interest when we have so many problems in our nation.
 
The libs here, and their fellow travelling narco-libertarians, maintain that Ukraine is not a vital US interest and we need to stay away.
So what is a vital U.S. interest? Philippines? Cuba? Hawaii? California? At what point is action of any kind a necessity?

The Panama Canal (it was even a United States territory for quite some time, my grandfather was born there). That's about it. Anything on the other side of the world cannot be considered part of our vital interest when we have so many problems in our nation.

That's like a non sequitur. So if we solve every problem in the US we can go about interfering elsewhere?
 
so you think we should police the entire world? get involved in every civil war and border dispute? make enemies instead of trading partners? force others to accept our way of life---or else?

How about the lesson of viet nam? 58,000 dead americans and billions of dollars---exactly how did that serve the national interest of the USA?

It stopped or slowed the spread of Communism in S.E. Asia.

Militarily, one thing sticks in my memory is the first deployment of the Cobra helicopter gunship in combat. First helicopter designed to attack and not also transport troops or cargo.

Mobile Air Cavalry was proven as a tactical concept.

And we had figured out the basics of jungle warfare by the end of the war.

No, it did not stop the spread of communism. Viet Nam is now 100% communist. We accomplished nothing but the losss of 58,000 americans and billions of dollars. but idiots like you refuse to learn from it.

I usually give fellow Conservatives and patriots and loyal American loving posters a great deal of latitude.

But don't think that makes you immune to my hostile responses to insults.

It doesn't. :evil:

The Domino Theory was that ALL of Asia could become Communist if the spread of Communism wasn't addressed in Viet Nam.

My contention is that the rest of Asia did not become Communist because of our military involvement in Viet Nam.
 
It stopped or slowed the spread of Communism in S.E. Asia.

Militarily, one thing sticks in my memory is the first deployment of the Cobra helicopter gunship in combat. First helicopter designed to attack and not also transport troops or cargo.

Mobile Air Cavalry was proven as a tactical concept.

And we had figured out the basics of jungle warfare by the end of the war.

No, it did not stop the spread of communism. Viet Nam is now 100% communist. We accomplished nothing but the losss of 58,000 americans and billions of dollars. but idiots like you refuse to learn from it.

I usually give fellow Conservatives and patriots and loyal American loving posters a great deal of latitude.

But don't think that makes you immune to my hostile responses to insults.

It doesn't. :evil:

The Domino Theory was that ALL of Asia could become Communist if the spread of Communism wasn't addressed in Viet Nam.

My contention is that the rest of Asia did not become Communist because of our military involvement in Viet Nam.

Viet nam was a waste; only a clown would contend otherwise.
 
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No, it did not stop the spread of communism. Viet Nam is now 100% communist. We accomplished nothing but the losss of 58,000 americans and billions of dollars. but idiots like you refuse to learn from it.

I usually give fellow Conservatives and patriots and loyal American loving posters a great deal of latitude.

But don't think that makes you immune to my hostile responses to insults.

It doesn't. :evil:

The Domino Theory was that ALL of Asia could become Communist if the spread of Communism wasn't addressed in Viet Nam.

My contention is that the rest of Asia did not become Communist because of our military involvement in Viet Nam.

Viet nam was a waste; only a clown would contend otherwise.

Really?

We killed 2 Million Communists.

Hardly a waste.

Too bad we couldn't kill a few hundred million more.

Besides, if you want to blame somebody for Viet Nam, blame JFK and LBJ. Nixon was handed a War we were losing, he won it, and dimocrap scum gave away the victory.....

And between 3 and 4 Million innocent people were murdered by communist scum afterwards.

You should stay out of things you don't understand.
 
The libs here, and their fellow travelling narco-libertarians, maintain that Ukraine is not a vital US interest and we need to stay away.
So what is a vital U.S. interest? Philippines? Cuba? Hawaii? California? At what point is action of any kind a necessity?

It's definitely not the Ukraine or the Russian near abroad.

As soon as the Ukraine fell to western influence, Putin made a strategic decision to rejoin Crimea to its historic relationship with Russia. No US or EU “leaders” should have been surprised by this action. All nations still have their respective spheres of influence, including Russia, a Great Power.

This whole problem boils down to NATO expansion eastward. Bush I gave guarantees to the Russians that NATO wouldn't move eastward, especially not the Russian border. Bill Clinton broke this deal with adding former Warsaw Pact countries to NATO. Moscow has now come to realize the goal of NATO is to encircle Russia. The US/EU have egregiously violated Russia’s traditional sphere of influence.

It looks like Putin’s play with the Crimea succeeded and there’s nothing that can be done about it. Huff, puff, and talk about sanctions, etc. The Ukraine will never have NATO soldiers on its soil. This is the reality of the situation.

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What interests can the US have in the Ukraine? About as much as Russia has in Alabama. This whole thing is completely insane and off the rails.
 
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The libs here, and their fellow travelling narco-libertarians, maintain that Ukraine is not a vital US interest and we need to stay away.
So what is a vital U.S. interest? Philippines? Cuba? Hawaii? California? At what point is action of any kind a necessity?

It's definitely not the Ukraine or the Russian near abroad.

As soon as the Ukraine fell to western influence, Putin made a strategic decision to rejoin Crimea to its historic relationship with Russia. No US or EU “leaders” should have been surprised by this action. All nations still have their respective spheres of influence, including Russia, a Great Power.

This whole problem boils down to NATO expansion eastward. Bush I gave guarantees to the Russians that NATO wouldn't move eastward, especially not the Russian border. Bill Clinton broke this deal with adding former Warsaw Pact countries to NATO. Moscow has now come to realize the goal of NATO is to encircle Russia. The US/EU have egregiously violated Russia’s traditional sphere of influence.

It looks like Putin’s play with the Crimea succeeded and there’s nothing that can be done about it. Huff, puff, and talk about sanctions, etc. The Ukraine will never have NATO soldiers on its soil. This is the reality of the situation.

Without links, your post is just so much dimocrap flatulence.

As usual.

I'd like to see a link that reports on Bush 41's promise to not expand NATO.

Not James Baker's..... George Herbert Walker Bush's.

You need to find better reading material. Fer real
 
I usually give fellow Conservatives and patriots and loyal American loving posters a great deal of latitude.

But don't think that makes you immune to my hostile responses to insults.

It doesn't. :evil:

The Domino Theory was that ALL of Asia could become Communist if the spread of Communism wasn't addressed in Viet Nam.

My contention is that the rest of Asia did not become Communist because of our military involvement in Viet Nam.

Viet nam was a waste; only a clown would contend otherwise.

Really?

We killed 2 Million Communists.

Hardly a waste.

Too bad we couldn't kill a few hundred million more.
And just by counting China's population alone, we'd still be outnumbered 2 or 3 to one. Congratulations; you've just learned 1st grade math.

Besides, if you want to blame somebody for Viet Nam, blame JFK and LBJ. Nixon was handed a War we were losing, he won it, and dimocrap scum gave away the victory.....

And between 3 and 4 Million innocent people were murdered by communist scum afterwards.

You should stay out of things you don't understand.

Blame is squarely on LBJ; Nixon expanded it into Cambodia; rather stupidly and for no reason. The 3 or 4 million were going to be slaughtered whether we were there getting our ass kicked or not. Learn something...someday.
 
The libs here, and their fellow travelling narco-libertarians, maintain that Ukraine is not a vital US interest and we need to stay away.
So what is a vital U.S. interest? Philippines? Cuba? Hawaii? California? At what point is action of any kind a necessity?

It's definitely not the Ukraine or the Russian near abroad.

As soon as the Ukraine fell to western influence, Putin made a strategic decision to rejoin Crimea to its historic relationship with Russia. No US or EU “leaders” should have been surprised by this action. All nations still have their respective spheres of influence, including Russia, a Great Power.

This whole problem boils down to NATO expansion eastward. Bush I gave guarantees to the Russians that NATO wouldn't move eastward, especially not the Russian border. Bill Clinton broke this deal with adding former Warsaw Pact countries to NATO. Moscow has now come to realize the goal of NATO is to encircle Russia. The US/EU have egregiously violated Russia’s traditional sphere of influence.

It looks like Putin’s play with the Crimea succeeded and there’s nothing that can be done about it. Huff, puff, and talk about sanctions, etc. The Ukraine will never have NATO soldiers on its soil. This is the reality of the situation.

Without links, your post is just so much dimocrap flatulence.

As usual.

I'd like to see a link that reports on Bush 41's promise to not expand NATO.

Not James Baker's..... George Herbert Walker Bush's.

You need to find better reading material. Fer real

I would simply point you to the talks between Bush the Elder, Helmut Kohl, Mikhail Gorbachev, and James Baker. Obviously, no agreements were signed, most of this was verbal. There were clearly mixed messages.


Not One Inch Eastward? Bush, Baker, Kohl, Genscher, Gorbachev, and the Origin of Russian Resentment toward NATO Enlargement in February 1990*
 
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It stopped or slowed the spread of Communism in S.E. Asia.

Militarily, one thing sticks in my memory is the first deployment of the Cobra helicopter gunship in combat. First helicopter designed to attack and not also transport troops or cargo.

Mobile Air Cavalry was proven as a tactical concept.

And we had figured out the basics of jungle warfare by the end of the war.

No, it did not stop the spread of communism. Viet Nam is now 100% communist. We accomplished nothing but the losss of 58,000 americans and billions of dollars. but idiots like you refuse to learn from it.

I usually give fellow Conservatives and patriots and loyal American loving posters a great deal of latitude.

But don't think that makes you immune to my hostile responses to insults.

It doesn't. :evil:

The Domino Theory was that ALL of Asia could become Communist if the spread of Communism wasn't addressed in Viet Nam.

My contention is that the rest of Asia did not become Communist because of our military involvement in Viet Nam.

the domino theory was wrong, it did not happen. And, so what if the entire far east went communist? Which part of SE asia (other than Japan) is not today communist or socialist?

It was dumb, 58,000 good americans died for nothing. it was a terrible chapter in our history-----why can't we learn from it?
 
I usually give fellow Conservatives and patriots and loyal American loving posters a great deal of latitude.

But don't think that makes you immune to my hostile responses to insults.

It doesn't. :evil:

The Domino Theory was that ALL of Asia could become Communist if the spread of Communism wasn't addressed in Viet Nam.

My contention is that the rest of Asia did not become Communist because of our military involvement in Viet Nam.

Viet nam was a waste; only a clown would contend otherwise.

Really?

We killed 2 Million Communists.

Hardly a waste.

Too bad we couldn't kill a few hundred million more.

Besides, if you want to blame somebody for Viet Nam, blame JFK and LBJ. Nixon was handed a War we were losing, he won it, and dimocrap scum gave away the victory.....

And between 3 and 4 Million innocent people were murdered by communist scum afterwards.

You should stay out of things you don't understand.

we are usually on the same page, but I must disagree with you on this.
1. we did not win in viet nam-----we lost
2. yes we killed a lot of vietnamese, our govt lied about how many
3. 58,000 good americans died and we spent billions and what we were trying to prevent happened anyway.
 
the domino theory was wrong, it did not happen. And, so what if the entire far east went communist? Which part of SE asia (other than Japan) is not today communist or socialist?

Either that, or our countering the domino theory worked until Russia economically collapsed in on itself.
 

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