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An all too common misuse of the word "fear". You see it a lot here on this board. Quite often when one voices a dislike for a thing, or a people; many confer an attribute of "fear" as a motivator. It helps to assuage the negative feelings of rejection that comes with not being liked. An attempt at self empowerment in the face of criticism, and rejection...Then what is the purpose of your OP? To contest the legitimacy of "white flight"? You say people move to "things". Okay... But in doing so, they are leaving things behind. It stands to reason that they are leaving behind that which doesn't suit theirpreferences. Thus "flight"? Help me out here...On the contrary; it is you who couched the matter in terms of âflightâ. Itâs right there in the OP.No. It isnât. What are these whites âfleeingâ from; and what is it they donât like, that motivates their locomotion?Yes some ppl move out now address white flight lolNo it doesnât you in reality want them to grow up together, itâs called family can you imagine if America just spread out like white flight lol .. your stuggling to make a logical point. SorryThatâs a great personal story, but doesnât answer my question, roll tideOk and so why did almost 90% leave? They been in Boston since the 1600âs whatâs the reasonPpl are spending a million dollars for a house now in Boston residential neighborhoods when suburbs with big yard are 400-500 thousand a year.. what are you talking aboutMany people in inner-city urban areas had successful times and they still stayed in the city,, They just moved to a better part of the city I grew up with a yard,, If you grew up in the neighborhood you donât leave because you have more money maybe you make yours bigger maybe you expand your house maybe you moved to the next nice neighborhood close by so youâre near your relatives youâre near your mother youâre near your nieces and your nephew so your kids can grow up with these family members. I like your sound thouYou make some good points, but that always happened. You still canât explain why almost 90% left and all around the same time.Take Boston for instance Boston had a very large population of hard-working successful people and then you had a small population of welfare queen black women who made wrong decisions in their lives, failing miserably weâre pissed off that their childâs school wasnât being funded by Democrats, Democrats saw they can use this loudmouth black women for votes so instead of funding their schools they decided to bus the kids from bad neighborhoods to good neighborhoods of parents that were doing the right thing. At the same time simultaneously as the whites are moving out the welfare queens thought they were winning Democrats immediately flooded their neighborhoods with refugees from Latin America and African countries that absolutely took their public schools to Third World levels, The parents took our wages and drove them down to the ground. Now weâre all fucked because of DemocratsOhh I knowWhat if the place you want to live is ruined by political policy?Is white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
Why does something need to be done? People have the right to live where ever they want and can afford to.
First you would have to determine whether or not people left for the suburbs because of those bad policies or because they were successful and wanted a better life for themselves and their families.
Of course you do. lol
Or, there was once a larger number of hard-working, successful people in Boston. Then with the improvement in both cars and roads, the idea of commuting became more palatable to them. So they moved out to the suburbs to have roomier homes, more spacious yards, more green spaces, less pollution, lower crime rates and a better life.
That left a vacuum. Poorer people moved into the neighborhoods. Investors bought up the homes and rented them. Renters have less invested in the neighborhoods.
As for the education, that can also be attributed to poor black cultural issues. Being smart in school is considered to be "acting white". When I was in college I did a paper on it. Many urban schools do not announce any academic award ceremonies, because many of the smart kids will not come to school that day because they risk being ostracized for "acting white".
Also, in the 1960s and 1970s, the prevailing idea was that good students would have an influence on bad students. Like a positive peer pressure. Educators finally realized that the opposite was happening. The smart students were seen as nerds and picked on even more. Many girls tried to dumb down to avoid losing popularity. So they started putting the smarter students in the separate gifted classes, and they excelled.
What kind of time span are you talking about them leaving? 10 years? 1 year? The 1980s were a prosperous time. It started a lot of white flight to the suburbs.
If staying in the city is what you want, then go for it. For many, many others, the chance at the suburbs was a dream come true. Every city and town has changed in the last 50 years. Every community has changed. Some for better and some for worse.
I am talking about wanting to live outside the city. Not everyone dreams of a house in the inner city. Houses in nice areas in the city are always more expensive.
Modern society has made it easier to move, commute, and maintain contact with families back home.
From the 1600s to the early 1900s, if you were over 75 miles from your hometown, you rarely got back home. Make it over 200 and it was rare to get back. Contrast that with now. I gre up in Tuscaloosa AL. My children live in Cullman AL, Huntsville AL, and Chattanooga Tn. I am in Atlanta. Before the quarantine, I managed to see my kids most months, and talk to them at least once a week. I see my brothers (in Tuscaloosa) at least every other month.
I can be in Tuscaloosa in 2.5 hours. In the 1800s, a trip of a few hundred miles could take days. A trip across country could take weeks. Now it is a few hours on a plane.
The only communications until the invention of the phone was to write letters. (telegraph was too expensive) And that could take weeks. Even with relatively modern phone lines, you didn't call often because it was too expensive. Now I can FaceTime with my Grandson once a week.
We, as a society have become more and more mobile. And so we can live where we choose to live, not where we have to live.
Yes it does. It is easier to move and still stay in contact with your family.
No I am not. I am explaining why people moved more in recent history than in prior years.
Once people grow up, they often move.
That is exactly what I have been doing.
You are assuming they are moving away from something instead of moving to something.
I used the term that is common. If that was in error, I apologize.
But whether the white moved out because of other ethnic groups, or the whites moved out and the ethnic groups moved into the vacancy, seems hard to tell. I have moved a good bit in my life, both with my family and with work. I always moved TO something. My parents moved TO Tuscaloosa because my Dad bought a drugstore.
The original purpose of the OP was prevent derailing another thread. I though it deserved discussion.
Every move leaves things behind. Every changes means a loss of some sort.
Yes, the things they leave behind do not suit their preferences. I guess the idea of fleeing something implies fear. I don't know that fear is always the motivator.
I grew up in Detroit and watched one of Americaâs greatest cities implode very quickly.White flight isn't a problem. Blacks and Hispanics don't want whites around anyway. The problem for them is how to stop whites from taking their money when they leave. Coleman Young, the first black mayor of Detroit. His plan was to improve the lives of blacks by making the city more black centric. White flight drained the money from the city which became the hulk that we see today.
So why did most move? I know why.. do you?That some ppl move out but why didnât they allGreat storyNo you havenâtYes some ppl move out now address white flight lolNo it doesnât you in reality want them to grow up together, itâs called family can you imagine if America just spread out like white flight lol .. your stuggling to make a logical point. SorryThatâs a great personal story, but doesnât answer my question, roll tideOk and so why did almost 90% leave? They been in Boston since the 1600âs whatâs the reasonPpl are spending a million dollars for a house now in Boston residential neighborhoods when suburbs with big yard are 400-500 thousand a year.. what are you talking aboutMany people in inner-city urban areas had successful times and they still stayed in the city,, They just moved to a better part of the city I grew up with a yard,, If you grew up in the neighborhood you donât leave because you have more money maybe you make yours bigger maybe you expand your house maybe you moved to the next nice neighborhood close by so youâre near your relatives youâre near your mother youâre near your nieces and your nephew so your kids can grow up with these family members. I like your sound thouYou make some good points, but that always happened. You still canât explain why almost 90% left and all around the same time.Take Boston for instance Boston had a very large population of hard-working successful people and then you had a small population of welfare queen black women who made wrong decisions in their lives, failing miserably weâre pissed off that their childâs school wasnât being funded by Democrats, Democrats saw they can use this loudmouth black women for votes so instead of funding their schools they decided to bus the kids from bad neighborhoods to good neighborhoods of parents that were doing the right thing. At the same time simultaneously as the whites are moving out the welfare queens thought they were winning Democrats immediately flooded their neighborhoods with refugees from Latin America and African countries that absolutely took their public schools to Third World levels, The parents took our wages and drove them down to the ground. Now weâre all fucked because of DemocratsOhh I knowWhat if the place you want to live is ruined by political policy?Is white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
Why does something need to be done? People have the right to live where ever they want and can afford to.
First you would have to determine whether or not people left for the suburbs because of those bad policies or because they were successful and wanted a better life for themselves and their families.
Of course you do. lol
Or, there was once a larger number of hard-working, successful people in Boston. Then with the improvement in both cars and roads, the idea of commuting became more palatable to them. So they moved out to the suburbs to have roomier homes, more spacious yards, more green spaces, less pollution, lower crime rates and a better life.
That left a vacuum. Poorer people moved into the neighborhoods. Investors bought up the homes and rented them. Renters have less invested in the neighborhoods.
As for the education, that can also be attributed to poor black cultural issues. Being smart in school is considered to be "acting white". When I was in college I did a paper on it. Many urban schools do not announce any academic award ceremonies, because many of the smart kids will not come to school that day because they risk being ostracized for "acting white".
Also, in the 1960s and 1970s, the prevailing idea was that good students would have an influence on bad students. Like a positive peer pressure. Educators finally realized that the opposite was happening. The smart students were seen as nerds and picked on even more. Many girls tried to dumb down to avoid losing popularity. So they started putting the smarter students in the separate gifted classes, and they excelled.
What kind of time span are you talking about them leaving? 10 years? 1 year? The 1980s were a prosperous time. It started a lot of white flight to the suburbs.
If staying in the city is what you want, then go for it. For many, many others, the chance at the suburbs was a dream come true. Every city and town has changed in the last 50 years. Every community has changed. Some for better and some for worse.
I am talking about wanting to live outside the city. Not everyone dreams of a house in the inner city. Houses in nice areas in the city are always more expensive.
Modern society has made it easier to move, commute, and maintain contact with families back home.
From the 1600s to the early 1900s, if you were over 75 miles from your hometown, you rarely got back home. Make it over 200 and it was rare to get back. Contrast that with now. I gre up in Tuscaloosa AL. My children live in Cullman AL, Huntsville AL, and Chattanooga Tn. I am in Atlanta. Before the quarantine, I managed to see my kids most months, and talk to them at least once a week. I see my brothers (in Tuscaloosa) at least every other month.
I can be in Tuscaloosa in 2.5 hours. In the 1800s, a trip of a few hundred miles could take days. A trip across country could take weeks. Now it is a few hours on a plane.
The only communications until the invention of the phone was to write letters. (telegraph was too expensive) And that could take weeks. Even with relatively modern phone lines, you didn't call often because it was too expensive. Now I can FaceTime with my Grandson once a week.
We, as a society have become more and more mobile. And so we can live where we choose to live, not where we have to live.
Yes it does. It is easier to move and still stay in contact with your family.
No I am not. I am explaining why people moved more in recent history than in prior years.
Once people grow up, they often move.
That is exactly what I have been doing.
I have addressed it in several ways. Both as a sign of changing times and as people moving TO instead of running from.
Yes, it is a great story. Thanks.
Some couldn't. Some didn't want to move.
It isn't an all or nothing thing.
An all too common misuse of the word "fear". You see it a lot here on this board. Quite often when one voices a dislike for a thing, or a people; many confer an attribute of "fear" as a motivator. It helps to assuage the negative feelings of rejection that comes with not being liked. An attempt at self empowerment in the face of criticism, and rejection...Then what is the purpose of your OP? To contest the legitimacy of "white flight"? You say people move to "things". Okay... But in doing so, they are leaving things behind. It stands to reason that they are leaving behind that which doesn't suit theirpreferences. Thus "flight"? Help me out here...On the contrary; it is you who couched the matter in terms of âflightâ. Itâs right there in the OP.No. It isnât. What are these whites âfleeingâ from; and what is it they donât like, that motivates their locomotion?Yes some ppl move out now address white flight lolNo it doesnât you in reality want them to grow up together, itâs called family can you imagine if America just spread out like white flight lol .. your stuggling to make a logical point. SorryThatâs a great personal story, but doesnât answer my question, roll tideOk and so why did almost 90% leave? They been in Boston since the 1600âs whatâs the reasonPpl are spending a million dollars for a house now in Boston residential neighborhoods when suburbs with big yard are 400-500 thousand a year.. what are you talking aboutMany people in inner-city urban areas had successful times and they still stayed in the city,, They just moved to a better part of the city I grew up with a yard,, If you grew up in the neighborhood you donât leave because you have more money maybe you make yours bigger maybe you expand your house maybe you moved to the next nice neighborhood close by so youâre near your relatives youâre near your mother youâre near your nieces and your nephew so your kids can grow up with these family members. I like your sound thouYou make some good points, but that always happened. You still canât explain why almost 90% left and all around the same time.Take Boston for instance Boston had a very large population of hard-working successful people and then you had a small population of welfare queen black women who made wrong decisions in their lives, failing miserably weâre pissed off that their childâs school wasnât being funded by Democrats, Democrats saw they can use this loudmouth black women for votes so instead of funding their schools they decided to bus the kids from bad neighborhoods to good neighborhoods of parents that were doing the right thing. At the same time simultaneously as the whites are moving out the welfare queens thought they were winning Democrats immediately flooded their neighborhoods with refugees from Latin America and African countries that absolutely took their public schools to Third World levels, The parents took our wages and drove them down to the ground. Now weâre all fucked because of DemocratsOhh I knowWhat if the place you want to live is ruined by political policy?Is white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
Why does something need to be done? People have the right to live where ever they want and can afford to.
First you would have to determine whether or not people left for the suburbs because of those bad policies or because they were successful and wanted a better life for themselves and their families.
Of course you do. lol
Or, there was once a larger number of hard-working, successful people in Boston. Then with the improvement in both cars and roads, the idea of commuting became more palatable to them. So they moved out to the suburbs to have roomier homes, more spacious yards, more green spaces, less pollution, lower crime rates and a better life.
That left a vacuum. Poorer people moved into the neighborhoods. Investors bought up the homes and rented them. Renters have less invested in the neighborhoods.
As for the education, that can also be attributed to poor black cultural issues. Being smart in school is considered to be "acting white". When I was in college I did a paper on it. Many urban schools do not announce any academic award ceremonies, because many of the smart kids will not come to school that day because they risk being ostracized for "acting white".
Also, in the 1960s and 1970s, the prevailing idea was that good students would have an influence on bad students. Like a positive peer pressure. Educators finally realized that the opposite was happening. The smart students were seen as nerds and picked on even more. Many girls tried to dumb down to avoid losing popularity. So they started putting the smarter students in the separate gifted classes, and they excelled.
What kind of time span are you talking about them leaving? 10 years? 1 year? The 1980s were a prosperous time. It started a lot of white flight to the suburbs.
If staying in the city is what you want, then go for it. For many, many others, the chance at the suburbs was a dream come true. Every city and town has changed in the last 50 years. Every community has changed. Some for better and some for worse.
I am talking about wanting to live outside the city. Not everyone dreams of a house in the inner city. Houses in nice areas in the city are always more expensive.
Modern society has made it easier to move, commute, and maintain contact with families back home.
From the 1600s to the early 1900s, if you were over 75 miles from your hometown, you rarely got back home. Make it over 200 and it was rare to get back. Contrast that with now. I gre up in Tuscaloosa AL. My children live in Cullman AL, Huntsville AL, and Chattanooga Tn. I am in Atlanta. Before the quarantine, I managed to see my kids most months, and talk to them at least once a week. I see my brothers (in Tuscaloosa) at least every other month.
I can be in Tuscaloosa in 2.5 hours. In the 1800s, a trip of a few hundred miles could take days. A trip across country could take weeks. Now it is a few hours on a plane.
The only communications until the invention of the phone was to write letters. (telegraph was too expensive) And that could take weeks. Even with relatively modern phone lines, you didn't call often because it was too expensive. Now I can FaceTime with my Grandson once a week.
We, as a society have become more and more mobile. And so we can live where we choose to live, not where we have to live.
Yes it does. It is easier to move and still stay in contact with your family.
No I am not. I am explaining why people moved more in recent history than in prior years.
Once people grow up, they often move.
That is exactly what I have been doing.
You are assuming they are moving away from something instead of moving to something.
I used the term that is common. If that was in error, I apologize.
But whether the white moved out because of other ethnic groups, or the whites moved out and the ethnic groups moved into the vacancy, seems hard to tell. I have moved a good bit in my life, both with my family and with work. I always moved TO something. My parents moved TO Tuscaloosa because my Dad bought a drugstore.
The original purpose of the OP was prevent derailing another thread. I though it deserved discussion.
Every move leaves things behind. Every changes means a loss of some sort.
Yes, the things they leave behind do not suit their preferences. I guess the idea of fleeing something implies fear. I don't know that fear is always the motivator.
So did most move? I know why.. do you?That some ppl move out but why didnât they allGreat storyNo you havenâtYes some ppl move out now address white flight lolNo it doesnât you in reality want them to grow up together, itâs called family can you imagine if America just spread out like white flight lol .. your stuggling to make a logical point. SorryThatâs a great personal story, but doesnât answer my question, roll tideOk and so why did almost 90% leave? They been in Boston since the 1600âs whatâs the reasonPpl are spending a million dollars for a house now in Boston residential neighborhoods when suburbs with big yard are 400-500 thousand a year.. what are you talking aboutMany people in inner-city urban areas had successful times and they still stayed in the city,, They just moved to a better part of the city I grew up with a yard,, If you grew up in the neighborhood you donât leave because you have more money maybe you make yours bigger maybe you expand your house maybe you moved to the next nice neighborhood close by so youâre near your relatives youâre near your mother youâre near your nieces and your nephew so your kids can grow up with these family members. I like your sound thouYou make some good points, but that always happened. You still canât explain why almost 90% left and all around the same time.Take Boston for instance Boston had a very large population of hard-working successful people and then you had a small population of welfare queen black women who made wrong decisions in their lives, failing miserably weâre pissed off that their childâs school wasnât being funded by Democrats, Democrats saw they can use this loudmouth black women for votes so instead of funding their schools they decided to bus the kids from bad neighborhoods to good neighborhoods of parents that were doing the right thing. At the same time simultaneously as the whites are moving out the welfare queens thought they were winning Democrats immediately flooded their neighborhoods with refugees from Latin America and African countries that absolutely took their public schools to Third World levels, The parents took our wages and drove them down to the ground. Now weâre all fucked because of DemocratsOhh I knowWhat if the place you want to live is ruined by political policy?Is white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
Why does something need to be done? People have the right to live where ever they want and can afford to.
First you would have to determine whether or not people left for the suburbs because of those bad policies or because they were successful and wanted a better life for themselves and their families.
Of course you do. lol
Or, there was once a larger number of hard-working, successful people in Boston. Then with the improvement in both cars and roads, the idea of commuting became more palatable to them. So they moved out to the suburbs to have roomier homes, more spacious yards, more green spaces, less pollution, lower crime rates and a better life.
That left a vacuum. Poorer people moved into the neighborhoods. Investors bought up the homes and rented them. Renters have less invested in the neighborhoods.
As for the education, that can also be attributed to poor black cultural issues. Being smart in school is considered to be "acting white". When I was in college I did a paper on it. Many urban schools do not announce any academic award ceremonies, because many of the smart kids will not come to school that day because they risk being ostracized for "acting white".
Also, in the 1960s and 1970s, the prevailing idea was that good students would have an influence on bad students. Like a positive peer pressure. Educators finally realized that the opposite was happening. The smart students were seen as nerds and picked on even more. Many girls tried to dumb down to avoid losing popularity. So they started putting the smarter students in the separate gifted classes, and they excelled.
What kind of time span are you talking about them leaving? 10 years? 1 year? The 1980s were a prosperous time. It started a lot of white flight to the suburbs.
If staying in the city is what you want, then go for it. For many, many others, the chance at the suburbs was a dream come true. Every city and town has changed in the last 50 years. Every community has changed. Some for better and some for worse.
I am talking about wanting to live outside the city. Not everyone dreams of a house in the inner city. Houses in nice areas in the city are always more expensive.
Modern society has made it easier to move, commute, and maintain contact with families back home.
From the 1600s to the early 1900s, if you were over 75 miles from your hometown, you rarely got back home. Make it over 200 and it was rare to get back. Contrast that with now. I gre up in Tuscaloosa AL. My children live in Cullman AL, Huntsville AL, and Chattanooga Tn. I am in Atlanta. Before the quarantine, I managed to see my kids most months, and talk to them at least once a week. I see my brothers (in Tuscaloosa) at least every other month.
I can be in Tuscaloosa in 2.5 hours. In the 1800s, a trip of a few hundred miles could take days. A trip across country could take weeks. Now it is a few hours on a plane.
The only communications until the invention of the phone was to write letters. (telegraph was too expensive) And that could take weeks. Even with relatively modern phone lines, you didn't call often because it was too expensive. Now I can FaceTime with my Grandson once a week.
We, as a society have become more and more mobile. And so we can live where we choose to live, not where we have to live.
Yes it does. It is easier to move and still stay in contact with your family.
No I am not. I am explaining why people moved more in recent history than in prior years.
Once people grow up, they often move.
That is exactly what I have been doing.
I have addressed it in several ways. Both as a sign of changing times and as people moving TO instead of running from.
Yes, it is a great story. Thanks.
Some couldn't. Some didn't want to move.
It isn't an all or nothing thing.
There are victims, are you denying bussing didnt hurt parents that were doing the right things? And helped the welfare queens? That made the wrong decisions?So did most move? I know why.. do you?That some ppl move out but why didnât they allGreat storyNo you havenâtYes some ppl move out now address white flight lolNo it doesnât you in reality want them to grow up together, itâs called family can you imagine if America just spread out like white flight lol .. your stuggling to make a logical point. SorryThatâs a great personal story, but doesnât answer my question, roll tideOk and so why did almost 90% leave? They been in Boston since the 1600âs whatâs the reasonPpl are spending a million dollars for a house now in Boston residential neighborhoods when suburbs with big yard are 400-500 thousand a year.. what are you talking aboutMany people in inner-city urban areas had successful times and they still stayed in the city,, They just moved to a better part of the city I grew up with a yard,, If you grew up in the neighborhood you donât leave because you have more money maybe you make yours bigger maybe you expand your house maybe you moved to the next nice neighborhood close by so youâre near your relatives youâre near your mother youâre near your nieces and your nephew so your kids can grow up with these family members. I like your sound thouYou make some good points, but that always happened. You still canât explain why almost 90% left and all around the same time.Take Boston for instance Boston had a very large population of hard-working successful people and then you had a small population of welfare queen black women who made wrong decisions in their lives, failing miserably weâre pissed off that their childâs school wasnât being funded by Democrats, Democrats saw they can use this loudmouth black women for votes so instead of funding their schools they decided to bus the kids from bad neighborhoods to good neighborhoods of parents that were doing the right thing. At the same time simultaneously as the whites are moving out the welfare queens thought they were winning Democrats immediately flooded their neighborhoods with refugees from Latin America and African countries that absolutely took their public schools to Third World levels, The parents took our wages and drove them down to the ground. Now weâre all fucked because of DemocratsOhh I knowWhat if the place you want to live is ruined by political policy?Is white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
Why does something need to be done? People have the right to live where ever they want and can afford to.
First you would have to determine whether or not people left for the suburbs because of those bad policies or because they were successful and wanted a better life for themselves and their families.
Of course you do. lol
Or, there was once a larger number of hard-working, successful people in Boston. Then with the improvement in both cars and roads, the idea of commuting became more palatable to them. So they moved out to the suburbs to have roomier homes, more spacious yards, more green spaces, less pollution, lower crime rates and a better life.
That left a vacuum. Poorer people moved into the neighborhoods. Investors bought up the homes and rented them. Renters have less invested in the neighborhoods.
As for the education, that can also be attributed to poor black cultural issues. Being smart in school is considered to be "acting white". When I was in college I did a paper on it. Many urban schools do not announce any academic award ceremonies, because many of the smart kids will not come to school that day because they risk being ostracized for "acting white".
Also, in the 1960s and 1970s, the prevailing idea was that good students would have an influence on bad students. Like a positive peer pressure. Educators finally realized that the opposite was happening. The smart students were seen as nerds and picked on even more. Many girls tried to dumb down to avoid losing popularity. So they started putting the smarter students in the separate gifted classes, and they excelled.
What kind of time span are you talking about them leaving? 10 years? 1 year? The 1980s were a prosperous time. It started a lot of white flight to the suburbs.
If staying in the city is what you want, then go for it. For many, many others, the chance at the suburbs was a dream come true. Every city and town has changed in the last 50 years. Every community has changed. Some for better and some for worse.
I am talking about wanting to live outside the city. Not everyone dreams of a house in the inner city. Houses in nice areas in the city are always more expensive.
Modern society has made it easier to move, commute, and maintain contact with families back home.
From the 1600s to the early 1900s, if you were over 75 miles from your hometown, you rarely got back home. Make it over 200 and it was rare to get back. Contrast that with now. I gre up in Tuscaloosa AL. My children live in Cullman AL, Huntsville AL, and Chattanooga Tn. I am in Atlanta. Before the quarantine, I managed to see my kids most months, and talk to them at least once a week. I see my brothers (in Tuscaloosa) at least every other month.
I can be in Tuscaloosa in 2.5 hours. In the 1800s, a trip of a few hundred miles could take days. A trip across country could take weeks. Now it is a few hours on a plane.
The only communications until the invention of the phone was to write letters. (telegraph was too expensive) And that could take weeks. Even with relatively modern phone lines, you didn't call often because it was too expensive. Now I can FaceTime with my Grandson once a week.
We, as a society have become more and more mobile. And so we can live where we choose to live, not where we have to live.
Yes it does. It is easier to move and still stay in contact with your family.
No I am not. I am explaining why people moved more in recent history than in prior years.
Once people grow up, they often move.
That is exactly what I have been doing.
I have addressed it in several ways. Both as a sign of changing times and as people moving TO instead of running from.
Yes, it is a great story. Thanks.
Some couldn't. Some didn't want to move.
It isn't an all or nothing thing.
I am sure you think you know. No doubt it will be someone else's "fault". It helps with your victim mentality.
I don't think there is any single reason. I think there are many reasons for the changes. I also think those same changes happened in many places.
well to do/rich black people don't want to live with poor black peopleIs white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
There are victims, are you denying bussing didnt hurt parents that were doing the right things? And helped the welfare queens? That made the wrong decisions?So did most move? I know why.. do you?That some ppl move out but why didnât they allGreat storyNo you havenâtYes some ppl move out now address white flight lolNo it doesnât you in reality want them to grow up together, itâs called family can you imagine if America just spread out like white flight lol .. your stuggling to make a logical point. SorryThatâs a great personal story, but doesnât answer my question, roll tideOk and so why did almost 90% leave? They been in Boston since the 1600âs whatâs the reasonPpl are spending a million dollars for a house now in Boston residential neighborhoods when suburbs with big yard are 400-500 thousand a year.. what are you talking aboutMany people in inner-city urban areas had successful times and they still stayed in the city,, They just moved to a better part of the city I grew up with a yard,, If you grew up in the neighborhood you donât leave because you have more money maybe you make yours bigger maybe you expand your house maybe you moved to the next nice neighborhood close by so youâre near your relatives youâre near your mother youâre near your nieces and your nephew so your kids can grow up with these family members. I like your sound thouYou make some good points, but that always happened. You still canât explain why almost 90% left and all around the same time.Take Boston for instance Boston had a very large population of hard-working successful people and then you had a small population of welfare queen black women who made wrong decisions in their lives, failing miserably weâre pissed off that their childâs school wasnât being funded by Democrats, Democrats saw they can use this loudmouth black women for votes so instead of funding their schools they decided to bus the kids from bad neighborhoods to good neighborhoods of parents that were doing the right thing. At the same time simultaneously as the whites are moving out the welfare queens thought they were winning Democrats immediately flooded their neighborhoods with refugees from Latin America and African countries that absolutely took their public schools to Third World levels, The parents took our wages and drove them down to the ground. Now weâre all fucked because of DemocratsOhh I knowWhat if the place you want to live is ruined by political policy?Is white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
Why does something need to be done? People have the right to live where ever they want and can afford to.
First you would have to determine whether or not people left for the suburbs because of those bad policies or because they were successful and wanted a better life for themselves and their families.
Of course you do. lol
Or, there was once a larger number of hard-working, successful people in Boston. Then with the improvement in both cars and roads, the idea of commuting became more palatable to them. So they moved out to the suburbs to have roomier homes, more spacious yards, more green spaces, less pollution, lower crime rates and a better life.
That left a vacuum. Poorer people moved into the neighborhoods. Investors bought up the homes and rented them. Renters have less invested in the neighborhoods.
As for the education, that can also be attributed to poor black cultural issues. Being smart in school is considered to be "acting white". When I was in college I did a paper on it. Many urban schools do not announce any academic award ceremonies, because many of the smart kids will not come to school that day because they risk being ostracized for "acting white".
Also, in the 1960s and 1970s, the prevailing idea was that good students would have an influence on bad students. Like a positive peer pressure. Educators finally realized that the opposite was happening. The smart students were seen as nerds and picked on even more. Many girls tried to dumb down to avoid losing popularity. So they started putting the smarter students in the separate gifted classes, and they excelled.
What kind of time span are you talking about them leaving? 10 years? 1 year? The 1980s were a prosperous time. It started a lot of white flight to the suburbs.
If staying in the city is what you want, then go for it. For many, many others, the chance at the suburbs was a dream come true. Every city and town has changed in the last 50 years. Every community has changed. Some for better and some for worse.
I am talking about wanting to live outside the city. Not everyone dreams of a house in the inner city. Houses in nice areas in the city are always more expensive.
Modern society has made it easier to move, commute, and maintain contact with families back home.
From the 1600s to the early 1900s, if you were over 75 miles from your hometown, you rarely got back home. Make it over 200 and it was rare to get back. Contrast that with now. I gre up in Tuscaloosa AL. My children live in Cullman AL, Huntsville AL, and Chattanooga Tn. I am in Atlanta. Before the quarantine, I managed to see my kids most months, and talk to them at least once a week. I see my brothers (in Tuscaloosa) at least every other month.
I can be in Tuscaloosa in 2.5 hours. In the 1800s, a trip of a few hundred miles could take days. A trip across country could take weeks. Now it is a few hours on a plane.
The only communications until the invention of the phone was to write letters. (telegraph was too expensive) And that could take weeks. Even with relatively modern phone lines, you didn't call often because it was too expensive. Now I can FaceTime with my Grandson once a week.
We, as a society have become more and more mobile. And so we can live where we choose to live, not where we have to live.
Yes it does. It is easier to move and still stay in contact with your family.
No I am not. I am explaining why people moved more in recent history than in prior years.
Once people grow up, they often move.
That is exactly what I have been doing.
I have addressed it in several ways. Both as a sign of changing times and as people moving TO instead of running from.
Yes, it is a great story. Thanks.
Some couldn't. Some didn't want to move.
It isn't an all or nothing thing.
I am sure you think you know. No doubt it will be someone else's "fault". It helps with your victim mentality.
I don't think there is any single reason. I think there are many reasons for the changes. I also think those same changes happened in many places.
On the contrary; it is you who couched the matter in terms of âflightâ. Itâs right there in the OP.No. It isnât. What are these whites âfleeingâ from; and what is it they donât like, that motivates their locomotion?Yes some ppl move out now address white flight lolNo it doesnât you in reality want them to grow up together, itâs called family can you imagine if America just spread out like white flight lol .. your stuggling to make a logical point. SorryThatâs a great personal story, but doesnât answer my question, roll tideOk and so why did almost 90% leave? They been in Boston since the 1600âs whatâs the reasonPpl are spending a million dollars for a house now in Boston residential neighborhoods when suburbs with big yard are 400-500 thousand a year.. what are you talking aboutMany people in inner-city urban areas had successful times and they still stayed in the city,, They just moved to a better part of the city I grew up with a yard,, If you grew up in the neighborhood you donât leave because you have more money maybe you make yours bigger maybe you expand your house maybe you moved to the next nice neighborhood close by so youâre near your relatives youâre near your mother youâre near your nieces and your nephew so your kids can grow up with these family members. I like your sound thouYou make some good points, but that always happened. You still canât explain why almost 90% left and all around the same time.Take Boston for instance Boston had a very large population of hard-working successful people and then you had a small population of welfare queen black women who made wrong decisions in their lives, failing miserably weâre pissed off that their childâs school wasnât being funded by Democrats, Democrats saw they can use this loudmouth black women for votes so instead of funding their schools they decided to bus the kids from bad neighborhoods to good neighborhoods of parents that were doing the right thing. At the same time simultaneously as the whites are moving out the welfare queens thought they were winning Democrats immediately flooded their neighborhoods with refugees from Latin America and African countries that absolutely took their public schools to Third World levels, The parents took our wages and drove them down to the ground. Now weâre all fucked because of DemocratsOhh I knowWhat if the place you want to live is ruined by political policy?Is white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
Why does something need to be done? People have the right to live where ever they want and can afford to.
First you would have to determine whether or not people left for the suburbs because of those bad policies or because they were successful and wanted a better life for themselves and their families.
Of course you do. lol
Or, there was once a larger number of hard-working, successful people in Boston. Then with the improvement in both cars and roads, the idea of commuting became more palatable to them. So they moved out to the suburbs to have roomier homes, more spacious yards, more green spaces, less pollution, lower crime rates and a better life.
That left a vacuum. Poorer people moved into the neighborhoods. Investors bought up the homes and rented them. Renters have less invested in the neighborhoods.
As for the education, that can also be attributed to poor black cultural issues. Being smart in school is considered to be "acting white". When I was in college I did a paper on it. Many urban schools do not announce any academic award ceremonies, because many of the smart kids will not come to school that day because they risk being ostracized for "acting white".
Also, in the 1960s and 1970s, the prevailing idea was that good students would have an influence on bad students. Like a positive peer pressure. Educators finally realized that the opposite was happening. The smart students were seen as nerds and picked on even more. Many girls tried to dumb down to avoid losing popularity. So they started putting the smarter students in the separate gifted classes, and they excelled.
What kind of time span are you talking about them leaving? 10 years? 1 year? The 1980s were a prosperous time. It started a lot of white flight to the suburbs.
If staying in the city is what you want, then go for it. For many, many others, the chance at the suburbs was a dream come true. Every city and town has changed in the last 50 years. Every community has changed. Some for better and some for worse.
I am talking about wanting to live outside the city. Not everyone dreams of a house in the inner city. Houses in nice areas in the city are always more expensive.
Modern society has made it easier to move, commute, and maintain contact with families back home.
From the 1600s to the early 1900s, if you were over 75 miles from your hometown, you rarely got back home. Make it over 200 and it was rare to get back. Contrast that with now. I gre up in Tuscaloosa AL. My children live in Cullman AL, Huntsville AL, and Chattanooga Tn. I am in Atlanta. Before the quarantine, I managed to see my kids most months, and talk to them at least once a week. I see my brothers (in Tuscaloosa) at least every other month.
I can be in Tuscaloosa in 2.5 hours. In the 1800s, a trip of a few hundred miles could take days. A trip across country could take weeks. Now it is a few hours on a plane.
The only communications until the invention of the phone was to write letters. (telegraph was too expensive) And that could take weeks. Even with relatively modern phone lines, you didn't call often because it was too expensive. Now I can FaceTime with my Grandson once a week.
We, as a society have become more and more mobile. And so we can live where we choose to live, not where we have to live.
Yes it does. It is easier to move and still stay in contact with your family.
No I am not. I am explaining why people moved more in recent history than in prior years.
Once people grow up, they often move.
That is exactly what I have been doing.
You are assuming they are moving away from something instead of moving to something.
I used the term that is common. If that was in error, I apologize.
But whether the white moved out because of other ethnic groups, or the whites moved out and the ethnic groups moved into the vacancy, seems hard to tell. I have moved a good bit in my life, both with my family and with work. I always moved TO something. My parents moved TO Tuscaloosa because my Dad bought a drugstore.
Most whites,myself included believe we were meant to live with other whites.The zoo keeps their animals in separate areas for the same reason.
well to do/rich black people don't want to live with poor black peopleIs white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
On the contrary; it is you who couched the matter in terms of âflightâ. Itâs right there in the OP.No. It isnât. What are these whites âfleeingâ from; and what is it they donât like, that motivates their locomotion?Yes some ppl move out now address white flight lolNo it doesnât you in reality want them to grow up together, itâs called family can you imagine if America just spread out like white flight lol .. your stuggling to make a logical point. SorryThatâs a great personal story, but doesnât answer my question, roll tideOk and so why did almost 90% leave? They been in Boston since the 1600âs whatâs the reasonPpl are spending a million dollars for a house now in Boston residential neighborhoods when suburbs with big yard are 400-500 thousand a year.. what are you talking aboutMany people in inner-city urban areas had successful times and they still stayed in the city,, They just moved to a better part of the city I grew up with a yard,, If you grew up in the neighborhood you donât leave because you have more money maybe you make yours bigger maybe you expand your house maybe you moved to the next nice neighborhood close by so youâre near your relatives youâre near your mother youâre near your nieces and your nephew so your kids can grow up with these family members. I like your sound thouYou make some good points, but that always happened. You still canât explain why almost 90% left and all around the same time.Take Boston for instance Boston had a very large population of hard-working successful people and then you had a small population of welfare queen black women who made wrong decisions in their lives, failing miserably weâre pissed off that their childâs school wasnât being funded by Democrats, Democrats saw they can use this loudmouth black women for votes so instead of funding their schools they decided to bus the kids from bad neighborhoods to good neighborhoods of parents that were doing the right thing. At the same time simultaneously as the whites are moving out the welfare queens thought they were winning Democrats immediately flooded their neighborhoods with refugees from Latin America and African countries that absolutely took their public schools to Third World levels, The parents took our wages and drove them down to the ground. Now weâre all fucked because of DemocratsOhh I knowWhat if the place you want to live is ruined by political policy?Is white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
Why does something need to be done? People have the right to live where ever they want and can afford to.
First you would have to determine whether or not people left for the suburbs because of those bad policies or because they were successful and wanted a better life for themselves and their families.
Of course you do. lol
Or, there was once a larger number of hard-working, successful people in Boston. Then with the improvement in both cars and roads, the idea of commuting became more palatable to them. So they moved out to the suburbs to have roomier homes, more spacious yards, more green spaces, less pollution, lower crime rates and a better life.
That left a vacuum. Poorer people moved into the neighborhoods. Investors bought up the homes and rented them. Renters have less invested in the neighborhoods.
As for the education, that can also be attributed to poor black cultural issues. Being smart in school is considered to be "acting white". When I was in college I did a paper on it. Many urban schools do not announce any academic award ceremonies, because many of the smart kids will not come to school that day because they risk being ostracized for "acting white".
Also, in the 1960s and 1970s, the prevailing idea was that good students would have an influence on bad students. Like a positive peer pressure. Educators finally realized that the opposite was happening. The smart students were seen as nerds and picked on even more. Many girls tried to dumb down to avoid losing popularity. So they started putting the smarter students in the separate gifted classes, and they excelled.
What kind of time span are you talking about them leaving? 10 years? 1 year? The 1980s were a prosperous time. It started a lot of white flight to the suburbs.
If staying in the city is what you want, then go for it. For many, many others, the chance at the suburbs was a dream come true. Every city and town has changed in the last 50 years. Every community has changed. Some for better and some for worse.
I am talking about wanting to live outside the city. Not everyone dreams of a house in the inner city. Houses in nice areas in the city are always more expensive.
Modern society has made it easier to move, commute, and maintain contact with families back home.
From the 1600s to the early 1900s, if you were over 75 miles from your hometown, you rarely got back home. Make it over 200 and it was rare to get back. Contrast that with now. I gre up in Tuscaloosa AL. My children live in Cullman AL, Huntsville AL, and Chattanooga Tn. I am in Atlanta. Before the quarantine, I managed to see my kids most months, and talk to them at least once a week. I see my brothers (in Tuscaloosa) at least every other month.
I can be in Tuscaloosa in 2.5 hours. In the 1800s, a trip of a few hundred miles could take days. A trip across country could take weeks. Now it is a few hours on a plane.
The only communications until the invention of the phone was to write letters. (telegraph was too expensive) And that could take weeks. Even with relatively modern phone lines, you didn't call often because it was too expensive. Now I can FaceTime with my Grandson once a week.
We, as a society have become more and more mobile. And so we can live where we choose to live, not where we have to live.
Yes it does. It is easier to move and still stay in contact with your family.
No I am not. I am explaining why people moved more in recent history than in prior years.
Once people grow up, they often move.
That is exactly what I have been doing.
You are assuming they are moving away from something instead of moving to something.
I used the term that is common. If that was in error, I apologize.
But whether the white moved out because of other ethnic groups, or the whites moved out and the ethnic groups moved into the vacancy, seems hard to tell. I have moved a good bit in my life, both with my family and with work. I always moved TO something. My parents moved TO Tuscaloosa because my Dad bought a drugstore.
You have to be on drugs to attend the U of A!
You are a victim because of these policies, iâm a big victim because of these policies.. itâs a fact.. not sure why you deny itThere are victims, are you denying bussing didnt hurt parents that were doing the right things? And helped the welfare queens? That made the wrong decisions?So did most move? I know why.. do you?That some ppl move out but why didnât they allGreat storyNo you havenâtYes some ppl move out now address white flight lolNo it doesnât you in reality want them to grow up together, itâs called family can you imagine if America just spread out like white flight lol .. your stuggling to make a logical point. SorryThatâs a great personal story, but doesnât answer my question, roll tideOk and so why did almost 90% leave? They been in Boston since the 1600âs whatâs the reasonPpl are spending a million dollars for a house now in Boston residential neighborhoods when suburbs with big yard are 400-500 thousand a year.. what are you talking aboutMany people in inner-city urban areas had successful times and they still stayed in the city,, They just moved to a better part of the city I grew up with a yard,, If you grew up in the neighborhood you donât leave because you have more money maybe you make yours bigger maybe you expand your house maybe you moved to the next nice neighborhood close by so youâre near your relatives youâre near your mother youâre near your nieces and your nephew so your kids can grow up with these family members. I like your sound thouYou make some good points, but that always happened. You still canât explain why almost 90% left and all around the same time.Take Boston for instance Boston had a very large population of hard-working successful people and then you had a small population of welfare queen black women who made wrong decisions in their lives, failing miserably weâre pissed off that their childâs school wasnât being funded by Democrats, Democrats saw they can use this loudmouth black women for votes so instead of funding their schools they decided to bus the kids from bad neighborhoods to good neighborhoods of parents that were doing the right thing. At the same time simultaneously as the whites are moving out the welfare queens thought they were winning Democrats immediately flooded their neighborhoods with refugees from Latin America and African countries that absolutely took their public schools to Third World levels, The parents took our wages and drove them down to the ground. Now weâre all fucked because of DemocratsOhh I knowWhat if the place you want to live is ruined by political policy?Is white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
Why does something need to be done? People have the right to live where ever they want and can afford to.
First you would have to determine whether or not people left for the suburbs because of those bad policies or because they were successful and wanted a better life for themselves and their families.
Of course you do. lol
Or, there was once a larger number of hard-working, successful people in Boston. Then with the improvement in both cars and roads, the idea of commuting became more palatable to them. So they moved out to the suburbs to have roomier homes, more spacious yards, more green spaces, less pollution, lower crime rates and a better life.
That left a vacuum. Poorer people moved into the neighborhoods. Investors bought up the homes and rented them. Renters have less invested in the neighborhoods.
As for the education, that can also be attributed to poor black cultural issues. Being smart in school is considered to be "acting white". When I was in college I did a paper on it. Many urban schools do not announce any academic award ceremonies, because many of the smart kids will not come to school that day because they risk being ostracized for "acting white".
Also, in the 1960s and 1970s, the prevailing idea was that good students would have an influence on bad students. Like a positive peer pressure. Educators finally realized that the opposite was happening. The smart students were seen as nerds and picked on even more. Many girls tried to dumb down to avoid losing popularity. So they started putting the smarter students in the separate gifted classes, and they excelled.
What kind of time span are you talking about them leaving? 10 years? 1 year? The 1980s were a prosperous time. It started a lot of white flight to the suburbs.
If staying in the city is what you want, then go for it. For many, many others, the chance at the suburbs was a dream come true. Every city and town has changed in the last 50 years. Every community has changed. Some for better and some for worse.
I am talking about wanting to live outside the city. Not everyone dreams of a house in the inner city. Houses in nice areas in the city are always more expensive.
Modern society has made it easier to move, commute, and maintain contact with families back home.
From the 1600s to the early 1900s, if you were over 75 miles from your hometown, you rarely got back home. Make it over 200 and it was rare to get back. Contrast that with now. I gre up in Tuscaloosa AL. My children live in Cullman AL, Huntsville AL, and Chattanooga Tn. I am in Atlanta. Before the quarantine, I managed to see my kids most months, and talk to them at least once a week. I see my brothers (in Tuscaloosa) at least every other month.
I can be in Tuscaloosa in 2.5 hours. In the 1800s, a trip of a few hundred miles could take days. A trip across country could take weeks. Now it is a few hours on a plane.
The only communications until the invention of the phone was to write letters. (telegraph was too expensive) And that could take weeks. Even with relatively modern phone lines, you didn't call often because it was too expensive. Now I can FaceTime with my Grandson once a week.
We, as a society have become more and more mobile. And so we can live where we choose to live, not where we have to live.
Yes it does. It is easier to move and still stay in contact with your family.
No I am not. I am explaining why people moved more in recent history than in prior years.
Once people grow up, they often move.
That is exactly what I have been doing.
I have addressed it in several ways. Both as a sign of changing times and as people moving TO instead of running from.
Yes, it is a great story. Thanks.
Some couldn't. Some didn't want to move.
It isn't an all or nothing thing.
I am sure you think you know. No doubt it will be someone else's "fault". It helps with your victim mentality.
I don't think there is any single reason. I think there are many reasons for the changes. I also think those same changes happened in many places.
I am not saying anything of the kind. I addressed YOUR victim mentality. It is always someone else's fault.
You want the neighborhoods to be like they were in 1950s and 1960s. That isn't going to happen. And removing the dems won't make it feasible.
On the contrary; it is you who couched the matter in terms of âflightâ. Itâs right there in the OP.No. It isnât. What are these whites âfleeingâ from; and what is it they donât like, that motivates their locomotion?Yes some ppl move out now address white flight lolNo it doesnât you in reality want them to grow up together, itâs called family can you imagine if America just spread out like white flight lol .. your stuggling to make a logical point. SorryThatâs a great personal story, but doesnât answer my question, roll tideOk and so why did almost 90% leave? They been in Boston since the 1600âs whatâs the reasonPpl are spending a million dollars for a house now in Boston residential neighborhoods when suburbs with big yard are 400-500 thousand a year.. what are you talking aboutMany people in inner-city urban areas had successful times and they still stayed in the city,, They just moved to a better part of the city I grew up with a yard,, If you grew up in the neighborhood you donât leave because you have more money maybe you make yours bigger maybe you expand your house maybe you moved to the next nice neighborhood close by so youâre near your relatives youâre near your mother youâre near your nieces and your nephew so your kids can grow up with these family members. I like your sound thouYou make some good points, but that always happened. You still canât explain why almost 90% left and all around the same time.Take Boston for instance Boston had a very large population of hard-working successful people and then you had a small population of welfare queen black women who made wrong decisions in their lives, failing miserably weâre pissed off that their childâs school wasnât being funded by Democrats, Democrats saw they can use this loudmouth black women for votes so instead of funding their schools they decided to bus the kids from bad neighborhoods to good neighborhoods of parents that were doing the right thing. At the same time simultaneously as the whites are moving out the welfare queens thought they were winning Democrats immediately flooded their neighborhoods with refugees from Latin America and African countries that absolutely took their public schools to Third World levels, The parents took our wages and drove them down to the ground. Now weâre all fucked because of DemocratsOhh I knowWhat if the place you want to live is ruined by political policy?Is white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
Why does something need to be done? People have the right to live where ever they want and can afford to.
First you would have to determine whether or not people left for the suburbs because of those bad policies or because they were successful and wanted a better life for themselves and their families.
Of course you do. lol
Or, there was once a larger number of hard-working, successful people in Boston. Then with the improvement in both cars and roads, the idea of commuting became more palatable to them. So they moved out to the suburbs to have roomier homes, more spacious yards, more green spaces, less pollution, lower crime rates and a better life.
That left a vacuum. Poorer people moved into the neighborhoods. Investors bought up the homes and rented them. Renters have less invested in the neighborhoods.
As for the education, that can also be attributed to poor black cultural issues. Being smart in school is considered to be "acting white". When I was in college I did a paper on it. Many urban schools do not announce any academic award ceremonies, because many of the smart kids will not come to school that day because they risk being ostracized for "acting white".
Also, in the 1960s and 1970s, the prevailing idea was that good students would have an influence on bad students. Like a positive peer pressure. Educators finally realized that the opposite was happening. The smart students were seen as nerds and picked on even more. Many girls tried to dumb down to avoid losing popularity. So they started putting the smarter students in the separate gifted classes, and they excelled.
What kind of time span are you talking about them leaving? 10 years? 1 year? The 1980s were a prosperous time. It started a lot of white flight to the suburbs.
If staying in the city is what you want, then go for it. For many, many others, the chance at the suburbs was a dream come true. Every city and town has changed in the last 50 years. Every community has changed. Some for better and some for worse.
I am talking about wanting to live outside the city. Not everyone dreams of a house in the inner city. Houses in nice areas in the city are always more expensive.
Modern society has made it easier to move, commute, and maintain contact with families back home.
From the 1600s to the early 1900s, if you were over 75 miles from your hometown, you rarely got back home. Make it over 200 and it was rare to get back. Contrast that with now. I gre up in Tuscaloosa AL. My children live in Cullman AL, Huntsville AL, and Chattanooga Tn. I am in Atlanta. Before the quarantine, I managed to see my kids most months, and talk to them at least once a week. I see my brothers (in Tuscaloosa) at least every other month.
I can be in Tuscaloosa in 2.5 hours. In the 1800s, a trip of a few hundred miles could take days. A trip across country could take weeks. Now it is a few hours on a plane.
The only communications until the invention of the phone was to write letters. (telegraph was too expensive) And that could take weeks. Even with relatively modern phone lines, you didn't call often because it was too expensive. Now I can FaceTime with my Grandson once a week.
We, as a society have become more and more mobile. And so we can live where we choose to live, not where we have to live.
Yes it does. It is easier to move and still stay in contact with your family.
No I am not. I am explaining why people moved more in recent history than in prior years.
Once people grow up, they often move.
That is exactly what I have been doing.
You are assuming they are moving away from something instead of moving to something.
I used the term that is common. If that was in error, I apologize.
But whether the white moved out because of other ethnic groups, or the whites moved out and the ethnic groups moved into the vacancy, seems hard to tell. I have moved a good bit in my life, both with my family and with work. I always moved TO something. My parents moved TO Tuscaloosa because my Dad bought a drugstore.
You have to be on drugs to attend the U of A!
I did a few drugs while I was at UA. And I drank some.
Oh, have you seen the story about the new professor at auburn? He has said he will not say "War Eagle" because it contains the word "war". lol
You are a victim because of these policies, iâm a big victim because of these policies.. itâs a fact.. not sure why you deny itThere are victims, are you denying bussing didnt hurt parents that were doing the right things? And helped the welfare queens? That made the wrong decisions?So did most move? I know why.. do you?That some ppl move out but why didnât they allGreat storyNo you havenâtYes some ppl move out now address white flight lolNo it doesnât you in reality want them to grow up together, itâs called family can you imagine if America just spread out like white flight lol .. your stuggling to make a logical point. SorryThatâs a great personal story, but doesnât answer my question, roll tideOk and so why did almost 90% leave? They been in Boston since the 1600âs whatâs the reasonPpl are spending a million dollars for a house now in Boston residential neighborhoods when suburbs with big yard are 400-500 thousand a year.. what are you talking aboutMany people in inner-city urban areas had successful times and they still stayed in the city,, They just moved to a better part of the city I grew up with a yard,, If you grew up in the neighborhood you donât leave because you have more money maybe you make yours bigger maybe you expand your house maybe you moved to the next nice neighborhood close by so youâre near your relatives youâre near your mother youâre near your nieces and your nephew so your kids can grow up with these family members. I like your sound thouYou make some good points, but that always happened. You still canât explain why almost 90% left and all around the same time.Take Boston for instance Boston had a very large population of hard-working successful people and then you had a small population of welfare queen black women who made wrong decisions in their lives, failing miserably weâre pissed off that their childâs school wasnât being funded by Democrats, Democrats saw they can use this loudmouth black women for votes so instead of funding their schools they decided to bus the kids from bad neighborhoods to good neighborhoods of parents that were doing the right thing. At the same time simultaneously as the whites are moving out the welfare queens thought they were winning Democrats immediately flooded their neighborhoods with refugees from Latin America and African countries that absolutely took their public schools to Third World levels, The parents took our wages and drove them down to the ground. Now weâre all fucked because of DemocratsOhh I knowWhat if the place you want to live is ruined by political policy?Is white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
Why does something need to be done? People have the right to live where ever they want and can afford to.
First you would have to determine whether or not people left for the suburbs because of those bad policies or because they were successful and wanted a better life for themselves and their families.
Of course you do. lol
Or, there was once a larger number of hard-working, successful people in Boston. Then with the improvement in both cars and roads, the idea of commuting became more palatable to them. So they moved out to the suburbs to have roomier homes, more spacious yards, more green spaces, less pollution, lower crime rates and a better life.
That left a vacuum. Poorer people moved into the neighborhoods. Investors bought up the homes and rented them. Renters have less invested in the neighborhoods.
As for the education, that can also be attributed to poor black cultural issues. Being smart in school is considered to be "acting white". When I was in college I did a paper on it. Many urban schools do not announce any academic award ceremonies, because many of the smart kids will not come to school that day because they risk being ostracized for "acting white".
Also, in the 1960s and 1970s, the prevailing idea was that good students would have an influence on bad students. Like a positive peer pressure. Educators finally realized that the opposite was happening. The smart students were seen as nerds and picked on even more. Many girls tried to dumb down to avoid losing popularity. So they started putting the smarter students in the separate gifted classes, and they excelled.
What kind of time span are you talking about them leaving? 10 years? 1 year? The 1980s were a prosperous time. It started a lot of white flight to the suburbs.
If staying in the city is what you want, then go for it. For many, many others, the chance at the suburbs was a dream come true. Every city and town has changed in the last 50 years. Every community has changed. Some for better and some for worse.
I am talking about wanting to live outside the city. Not everyone dreams of a house in the inner city. Houses in nice areas in the city are always more expensive.
Modern society has made it easier to move, commute, and maintain contact with families back home.
From the 1600s to the early 1900s, if you were over 75 miles from your hometown, you rarely got back home. Make it over 200 and it was rare to get back. Contrast that with now. I gre up in Tuscaloosa AL. My children live in Cullman AL, Huntsville AL, and Chattanooga Tn. I am in Atlanta. Before the quarantine, I managed to see my kids most months, and talk to them at least once a week. I see my brothers (in Tuscaloosa) at least every other month.
I can be in Tuscaloosa in 2.5 hours. In the 1800s, a trip of a few hundred miles could take days. A trip across country could take weeks. Now it is a few hours on a plane.
The only communications until the invention of the phone was to write letters. (telegraph was too expensive) And that could take weeks. Even with relatively modern phone lines, you didn't call often because it was too expensive. Now I can FaceTime with my Grandson once a week.
We, as a society have become more and more mobile. And so we can live where we choose to live, not where we have to live.
Yes it does. It is easier to move and still stay in contact with your family.
No I am not. I am explaining why people moved more in recent history than in prior years.
Once people grow up, they often move.
That is exactly what I have been doing.
I have addressed it in several ways. Both as a sign of changing times and as people moving TO instead of running from.
Yes, it is a great story. Thanks.
Some couldn't. Some didn't want to move.
It isn't an all or nothing thing.
I am sure you think you know. No doubt it will be someone else's "fault". It helps with your victim mentality.
I don't think there is any single reason. I think there are many reasons for the changes. I also think those same changes happened in many places.
I am not saying anything of the kind. I addressed YOUR victim mentality. It is always someone else's fault.
You want the neighborhoods to be like they were in 1950s and 1960s. That isn't going to happen. And removing the dems won't make it feasible.
On the contrary; it is you who couched the matter in terms of âflightâ. Itâs right there in the OP.No. It isnât. What are these whites âfleeingâ from; and what is it they donât like, that motivates their locomotion?Yes some ppl move out now address white flight lolNo it doesnât you in reality want them to grow up together, itâs called family can you imagine if America just spread out like white flight lol .. your stuggling to make a logical point. SorryThatâs a great personal story, but doesnât answer my question, roll tideOk and so why did almost 90% leave? They been in Boston since the 1600âs whatâs the reasonPpl are spending a million dollars for a house now in Boston residential neighborhoods when suburbs with big yard are 400-500 thousand a year.. what are you talking aboutMany people in inner-city urban areas had successful times and they still stayed in the city,, They just moved to a better part of the city I grew up with a yard,, If you grew up in the neighborhood you donât leave because you have more money maybe you make yours bigger maybe you expand your house maybe you moved to the next nice neighborhood close by so youâre near your relatives youâre near your mother youâre near your nieces and your nephew so your kids can grow up with these family members. I like your sound thouYou make some good points, but that always happened. You still canât explain why almost 90% left and all around the same time.Take Boston for instance Boston had a very large population of hard-working successful people and then you had a small population of welfare queen black women who made wrong decisions in their lives, failing miserably weâre pissed off that their childâs school wasnât being funded by Democrats, Democrats saw they can use this loudmouth black women for votes so instead of funding their schools they decided to bus the kids from bad neighborhoods to good neighborhoods of parents that were doing the right thing. At the same time simultaneously as the whites are moving out the welfare queens thought they were winning Democrats immediately flooded their neighborhoods with refugees from Latin America and African countries that absolutely took their public schools to Third World levels, The parents took our wages and drove them down to the ground. Now weâre all fucked because of DemocratsOhh I knowWhat if the place you want to live is ruined by political policy?Is white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
Why does something need to be done? People have the right to live where ever they want and can afford to.
First you would have to determine whether or not people left for the suburbs because of those bad policies or because they were successful and wanted a better life for themselves and their families.
Of course you do. lol
Or, there was once a larger number of hard-working, successful people in Boston. Then with the improvement in both cars and roads, the idea of commuting became more palatable to them. So they moved out to the suburbs to have roomier homes, more spacious yards, more green spaces, less pollution, lower crime rates and a better life.
That left a vacuum. Poorer people moved into the neighborhoods. Investors bought up the homes and rented them. Renters have less invested in the neighborhoods.
As for the education, that can also be attributed to poor black cultural issues. Being smart in school is considered to be "acting white". When I was in college I did a paper on it. Many urban schools do not announce any academic award ceremonies, because many of the smart kids will not come to school that day because they risk being ostracized for "acting white".
Also, in the 1960s and 1970s, the prevailing idea was that good students would have an influence on bad students. Like a positive peer pressure. Educators finally realized that the opposite was happening. The smart students were seen as nerds and picked on even more. Many girls tried to dumb down to avoid losing popularity. So they started putting the smarter students in the separate gifted classes, and they excelled.
What kind of time span are you talking about them leaving? 10 years? 1 year? The 1980s were a prosperous time. It started a lot of white flight to the suburbs.
If staying in the city is what you want, then go for it. For many, many others, the chance at the suburbs was a dream come true. Every city and town has changed in the last 50 years. Every community has changed. Some for better and some for worse.
I am talking about wanting to live outside the city. Not everyone dreams of a house in the inner city. Houses in nice areas in the city are always more expensive.
Modern society has made it easier to move, commute, and maintain contact with families back home.
From the 1600s to the early 1900s, if you were over 75 miles from your hometown, you rarely got back home. Make it over 200 and it was rare to get back. Contrast that with now. I gre up in Tuscaloosa AL. My children live in Cullman AL, Huntsville AL, and Chattanooga Tn. I am in Atlanta. Before the quarantine, I managed to see my kids most months, and talk to them at least once a week. I see my brothers (in Tuscaloosa) at least every other month.
I can be in Tuscaloosa in 2.5 hours. In the 1800s, a trip of a few hundred miles could take days. A trip across country could take weeks. Now it is a few hours on a plane.
The only communications until the invention of the phone was to write letters. (telegraph was too expensive) And that could take weeks. Even with relatively modern phone lines, you didn't call often because it was too expensive. Now I can FaceTime with my Grandson once a week.
We, as a society have become more and more mobile. And so we can live where we choose to live, not where we have to live.
Yes it does. It is easier to move and still stay in contact with your family.
No I am not. I am explaining why people moved more in recent history than in prior years.
Once people grow up, they often move.
That is exactly what I have been doing.
You are assuming they are moving away from something instead of moving to something.
I used the term that is common. If that was in error, I apologize.
But whether the white moved out because of other ethnic groups, or the whites moved out and the ethnic groups moved into the vacancy, seems hard to tell. I have moved a good bit in my life, both with my family and with work. I always moved TO something. My parents moved TO Tuscaloosa because my Dad bought a drugstore.
You have to be on drugs to attend the U of A!
I did a few drugs while I was at UA. And I drank some.
Oh, have you seen the story about the new professor at auburn? He has said he will not say "War Eagle" because it contains the word "war". lol
He's an idiot who not last a semester. Auburn is still one of the most conservative universities in the US.
exactly!!!well to do/rich black people don't want to live with poor black peopleIs white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
They don't want to live with poor white people either.
You are a victim because of these policies, iâm a big victim because of these policies.. itâs a fact.. not sure why you deny itThere are victims, are you denying bussing didnt hurt parents that were doing the right things? And helped the welfare queens? That made the wrong decisions?So did most move? I know why.. do you?That some ppl move out but why didnât they allGreat storyNo you havenâtYes some ppl move out now address white flight lolNo it doesnât you in reality want them to grow up together, itâs called family can you imagine if America just spread out like white flight lol .. your stuggling to make a logical point. SorryThatâs a great personal story, but doesnât answer my question, roll tideOk and so why did almost 90% leave? They been in Boston since the 1600âs whatâs the reasonPpl are spending a million dollars for a house now in Boston residential neighborhoods when suburbs with big yard are 400-500 thousand a year.. what are you talking aboutMany people in inner-city urban areas had successful times and they still stayed in the city,, They just moved to a better part of the city I grew up with a yard,, If you grew up in the neighborhood you donât leave because you have more money maybe you make yours bigger maybe you expand your house maybe you moved to the next nice neighborhood close by so youâre near your relatives youâre near your mother youâre near your nieces and your nephew so your kids can grow up with these family members. I like your sound thouYou make some good points, but that always happened. You still canât explain why almost 90% left and all around the same time.Take Boston for instance Boston had a very large population of hard-working successful people and then you had a small population of welfare queen black women who made wrong decisions in their lives, failing miserably weâre pissed off that their childâs school wasnât being funded by Democrats, Democrats saw they can use this loudmouth black women for votes so instead of funding their schools they decided to bus the kids from bad neighborhoods to good neighborhoods of parents that were doing the right thing. At the same time simultaneously as the whites are moving out the welfare queens thought they were winning Democrats immediately flooded their neighborhoods with refugees from Latin America and African countries that absolutely took their public schools to Third World levels, The parents took our wages and drove them down to the ground. Now weâre all fucked because of DemocratsOhh I knowWhat if the place you want to live is ruined by political policy?Is white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
Why does something need to be done? People have the right to live where ever they want and can afford to.
First you would have to determine whether or not people left for the suburbs because of those bad policies or because they were successful and wanted a better life for themselves and their families.
Of course you do. lol
Or, there was once a larger number of hard-working, successful people in Boston. Then with the improvement in both cars and roads, the idea of commuting became more palatable to them. So they moved out to the suburbs to have roomier homes, more spacious yards, more green spaces, less pollution, lower crime rates and a better life.
That left a vacuum. Poorer people moved into the neighborhoods. Investors bought up the homes and rented them. Renters have less invested in the neighborhoods.
As for the education, that can also be attributed to poor black cultural issues. Being smart in school is considered to be "acting white". When I was in college I did a paper on it. Many urban schools do not announce any academic award ceremonies, because many of the smart kids will not come to school that day because they risk being ostracized for "acting white".
Also, in the 1960s and 1970s, the prevailing idea was that good students would have an influence on bad students. Like a positive peer pressure. Educators finally realized that the opposite was happening. The smart students were seen as nerds and picked on even more. Many girls tried to dumb down to avoid losing popularity. So they started putting the smarter students in the separate gifted classes, and they excelled.
What kind of time span are you talking about them leaving? 10 years? 1 year? The 1980s were a prosperous time. It started a lot of white flight to the suburbs.
If staying in the city is what you want, then go for it. For many, many others, the chance at the suburbs was a dream come true. Every city and town has changed in the last 50 years. Every community has changed. Some for better and some for worse.
I am talking about wanting to live outside the city. Not everyone dreams of a house in the inner city. Houses in nice areas in the city are always more expensive.
Modern society has made it easier to move, commute, and maintain contact with families back home.
From the 1600s to the early 1900s, if you were over 75 miles from your hometown, you rarely got back home. Make it over 200 and it was rare to get back. Contrast that with now. I gre up in Tuscaloosa AL. My children live in Cullman AL, Huntsville AL, and Chattanooga Tn. I am in Atlanta. Before the quarantine, I managed to see my kids most months, and talk to them at least once a week. I see my brothers (in Tuscaloosa) at least every other month.
I can be in Tuscaloosa in 2.5 hours. In the 1800s, a trip of a few hundred miles could take days. A trip across country could take weeks. Now it is a few hours on a plane.
The only communications until the invention of the phone was to write letters. (telegraph was too expensive) And that could take weeks. Even with relatively modern phone lines, you didn't call often because it was too expensive. Now I can FaceTime with my Grandson once a week.
We, as a society have become more and more mobile. And so we can live where we choose to live, not where we have to live.
Yes it does. It is easier to move and still stay in contact with your family.
No I am not. I am explaining why people moved more in recent history than in prior years.
Once people grow up, they often move.
That is exactly what I have been doing.
I have addressed it in several ways. Both as a sign of changing times and as people moving TO instead of running from.
Yes, it is a great story. Thanks.
Some couldn't. Some didn't want to move.
It isn't an all or nothing thing.
I am sure you think you know. No doubt it will be someone else's "fault". It helps with your victim mentality.
I don't think there is any single reason. I think there are many reasons for the changes. I also think those same changes happened in many places.
I am not saying anything of the kind. I addressed YOUR victim mentality. It is always someone else's fault.
You want the neighborhoods to be like they were in 1950s and 1960s. That isn't going to happen. And removing the dems won't make it feasible.
...where I live, the most criminal areas are black ..most murders are in the black areas--the city is about 50-50--and most of the murders are in the black areas--that's the city...now the county/suburbs are mostly white--and STILL most murders are in the black areas...and the crimewell to do/rich black people don't want to live with poor black peopleIs white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
They don't want to live with poor white people either.
..if the population was more black and they were better off, you would have black flight from the black areaswell to do/rich black people don't want to live with poor black peopleIs white flight a big problem? Is gentrification the answer?
They don't want to live with poor white people either.
