What happens when you make people work for food stamps!

Mommy, I'm hungry.

Tough shit kid. I ain't gettin' no job!

If you bothered to read the article, the program only applies to abled bodied adults with no children.
And you assume that jobs are infinite/these "work requirements" actually do something useful.

Well let me tell you, I'm a truck driver and this year alone, we need over 60,000 new drivers that industry can't find. When I go to industrial areas, I see countless sign after sign on companies that are looking for help. Go back three weeks later, the signs are still posted.

So the question is are these programs there for the truly indigent, or are people using them as an option to working?
Everywhere I go in Texas, oil and gas fields all have signs saying "Drivers Wanted." They can't find people with a CDL. Lots full of oil and gas tankers.

Many of the trucking companies will offer driver training if you agree to work for them when you get out of training. Some of the driver training schools only last a few weeks. It's really a great deal for someone wanting a job that pays good money and usually offers pretty good benefits as well.
 
Weird how the republicans want to punish the peons after their retarded trade deals and h1b program has gutted our manufacturing, industry and middle class like jobs.
No way . According to libs the middle class is stronger than ever.


Where did you hear this??? Trade, immigration and the weakening of the unions have put all the wealth within the top 1%. This is what Bernie sanders keeps screaming about yet you think he is a joke??? Even trump is running on the trade and immigration issue. The big difference between the two is probably the reality that sanders cares more about the little guy while trump cares more about lowering the standard of living for most of the population to get these businesses back...Pretty much sanders wants to reattempt a early to mid 20th century of what we already did and Trump wants to do what south Asia is now doing no matter how painful it maybe.
 
"Work requirements" are a disastrous policy. First of all, the "programs" meant to help people get jobs who aren't currently employed aren't doing well, at all. In fact, it's absolutely horrific the state these are in right now. You want to force people to get jobs? Great, support state run employment programs, but telling people they have to seek out private employment which may or may not be available or they lose their food stamps.. that's just cruel.

And making me go out to work everyday to help pay for these people to eat isn't cruel?

If you think work requirements are disastrous, then Google Welfare Reform by Newt Gingrich and see what the results were back then. It was very successful.
You pay a tiny percent of your taxes to the food stamps program, and every program has abuse, but we don't need to punish everybody else for it.
I know all about the welfare reform, you want to know what that really did?
Will Hillary Clinton admit that welfare reform was a failure?
The new policy had a number of enormous problems. First, TANF was not indexed to inflation, so its size is nibbled away every year. Second, TANF block-granted money to the states. This was supposedly to allow for lots of experimentation so that best practices could flourish, but as was obvious at the time, conservative states would "experiment" by cannibalizing the program. Third, it has no anti-cyclical mechanism — meaning it does not compensate for economic downturns, when there are more people out of work and needing help.

The problems were masked for awhile during the red-hot economy of the mid to late 1990s, but after that, welfare reform failed utterly. Even after the worst economic crisis in 80 years, TANF has basically ceased to exist in much of the country. Eligibility requirements have gotten so onerous, and benefit levels so miserly, that many poor people haven't even heard of the program, or think it was abolished.

AFDC did have some flaws, no doubt. But it was a modest program that put money into the hands of people who needed it: the very poor, most of them children. In the 15 years after TANF passed, the fraction of Americans living in extreme poverty increased 150 percent. (We should also note that it was argued for on explicitly racist grounds.)

Welfare reform is not just something for browbeating Hillary Clinton. It's a directly relevant issue for millions of the most hard-up Americans. Furthermore, the political context Clinton will face if she is elected president is likely to be almost identical to that of her husband in 1996: a Republican Congress, eager to slash government spending to make budget headroom for tax cuts for the rich. Only this one will be far more conservative than 20 years ago.

And as David Brooks writes, GOP presidential candidate Marco Rubio wants to block-grant basically the entire welfare state. The grotesque failure of TANF might as well be proof of concept for the right — kicking the very poor is basically what they got in the game for.

How is making perfectly able bodied people do a little work for their money abusive?
 
Mommy, I'm hungry.

Tough shit kid. I ain't gettin' no job!

If you bothered to read the article, the program only applies to abled bodied adults with no children.
And you assume that jobs are infinite/these "work requirements" actually do something useful.

Well let me tell you, I'm a truck driver and this year alone, we need over 60,000 new drivers that industry can't find. When I go to industrial areas, I see countless sign after sign on companies that are looking for help. Go back three weeks later, the signs are still posted.

So the question is are these programs there for the truly indigent, or are people using them as an option to working?

Ray is absolutely right. There are all kinds of truck driving jobs available all over the United States. Even people in rural areas can drive for the big national companies. These are really good paying jobs too. I have some nephews who have been driving for years and they have moved around wherever they wanted to and gotten new jobs wherever they moved to. They make doggone good money too.

It's just like going into the military to get a trade or college education. Just too many young people do not want to do any little thing for themselves. They simply cannot abide the though of joining the military or driving a truck and being away from home a few days. Poor damn dependency syndrome.

Agreed and in fact, your nephews will even tell you that industry is bringing in foreigners to drive trucks because Americans are sitting home on their Obama Phone getting fat on their SNAP's cards.

These drivers are terrible drivers to boot, and some of them don't even know how to speak or read our language. I have no idea how they get around.

Some outfits will not only train you and get you licensed, but they will pay you while you learn. To think that's not enough for some Americans is embarrassing.
 
"Work requirements" are a disastrous policy. First of all, the "programs" meant to help people get jobs who aren't currently employed aren't doing well, at all. In fact, it's absolutely horrific the state these are in right now. You want to force people to get jobs? Great, support state run employment programs, but telling people they have to seek out private employment which may or may not be available or they lose their food stamps.. that's just cruel.

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Ah, way to add to the discussion.


Sorry, bud

I can't get excited about single people that are physically able to work getting their giveaways taken from them.

I've been out of work a number of times, but never long enough to qualify for food stamps or other type welfare.

If you want these lazy assholes to get free food, take them to the store, and buy it for them
 
Mommy, I'm hungry.

Tough shit kid. I ain't gettin' no job!

If you bothered to read the article, the program only applies to abled bodied adults with no children.
And you assume that jobs are infinite/these "work requirements" actually do something useful.

Well let me tell you, I'm a truck driver and this year alone, we need over 60,000 new drivers that industry can't find. When I go to industrial areas, I see countless sign after sign on companies that are looking for help. Go back three weeks later, the signs are still posted.

So the question is are these programs there for the truly indigent, or are people using them as an option to working?
Problem is also these people aren't qualified to do anything.

NM has jobs fairs year round for doctors, nurses, technicians, A/P,A/R,auditors,analysts,welders etc...

Yet... can't find qualified applicants with required training or work experience.
I agree they're not qualified, after all, they probably can't/couldn't afford higher education..

They are perfectly qualified for all those shovel ready jobs Barry promised.
Since those appear to be a no show,picking up trash is a perfect fit for these mental midgets.
 
"Work requirements" are a disastrous policy. First of all, the "programs" meant to help people get jobs who aren't currently employed aren't doing well, at all. In fact, it's absolutely horrific the state these are in right now. You want to force people to get jobs? Great, support state run employment programs, but telling people they have to seek out private employment which may or may not be available or they lose their food stamps.. that's just cruel.
So what happened to all those great jobs Obozo's creating every month????

After all, he says the economy is really booming, and the Libs are constantly on these boards agreeing with him...

Could it be that Democrats are compulsive liars????
he has created thousands of jobs.
In China, in Mexico, in the Middle east.
Just not here, but he has created jobs.
You're a liar if you believe the president hasn't created jobs here.
64 Straight Months Of Private Sector Job Growth | Democratic Policy & Communications Center
Then get off your lazy butt and get one...

As a matter of fact, every warehouse in the area I work has signs out front BEGGING for help, so jobs are out there for people that want them and are willing to work for that pay scale....

And if you're too lazy to work, YOU are the problem, NOT the people that don't want to spend THEIR money to pay YOUR bills!!!!
So you have now shifted the goal posts and want to say I'M lazy and not working, and that jobs are available in OBOZO'S EVIL ECONOMY. What a joke..
I didn't "move the goalposts"....

I just want you to make up your fucking mind....

Are Obungles and the Democrats LYING about how great the economy is doing, or are Liberals just a bunch of lazy, worthless assholes that want to take money from working Americans in order to buy shit they refuse to earn??
 
If you bothered to read the article, the program only applies to abled bodied adults with no children.
And you assume that jobs are infinite/these "work requirements" actually do something useful.

Well let me tell you, I'm a truck driver and this year alone, we need over 60,000 new drivers that industry can't find. When I go to industrial areas, I see countless sign after sign on companies that are looking for help. Go back three weeks later, the signs are still posted.

So the question is are these programs there for the truly indigent, or are people using them as an option to working?
Problem is also these people aren't qualified to do anything.

NM has jobs fairs year round for doctors, nurses, technicians, A/P,A/R,auditors,analysts,welders etc...

Yet... can't find qualified applicants with required training or work experience.
I agree they're not qualified, after all, they probably can't/couldn't afford higher education..

They are perfectly qualified for all those shovel ready jobs Barry promised.
Since those appear to be a no show,picking up trash is a perfect fit for these mental midgets.
Picking up trash is also what NM offers people caught panhandling. For 10.00 an hour no less. That's probably abusive too though.
 
When I was young I found no problem finding work..

I didn't either. I am 72 years old and have never drawn one minute's unemployment benefits. I worked in the fields until I was fifteen and then got a job in a service station where I worked until I went into the Army.
I worked in rest.starting at 14..I had UE one time when working on commercial crews and it would be 6 months between jobs in 2009.I got a whopping 125 a week..
 
So what happened to all those great jobs Obozo's creating every month????

After all, he says the economy is really booming, and the Libs are constantly on these boards agreeing with him...

Could it be that Democrats are compulsive liars????
he has created thousands of jobs.
In China, in Mexico, in the Middle east.
Just not here, but he has created jobs.
You're a liar if you believe the president hasn't created jobs here.
64 Straight Months Of Private Sector Job Growth | Democratic Policy & Communications Center
Then get off your lazy butt and get one...

As a matter of fact, every warehouse in the area I work has signs out front BEGGING for help, so jobs are out there for people that want them and are willing to work for that pay scale....

And if you're too lazy to work, YOU are the problem, NOT the people that don't want to spend THEIR money to pay YOUR bills!!!!
So you have now shifted the goal posts and want to say I'M lazy and not working, and that jobs are available in OBOZO'S EVIL ECONOMY. What a joke..
I didn't "move the goalposts"....

I just want you to make up your fucking mind....

Are Obungles and the Democrats LYING about how great the economy is doing, or are Liberals just a bunch of lazy, worthless assholes that want to take money from working Americans in order to buy shit they refuse to earn??
I have no problem finding work, being able to do it is my concern now. There is no shortage of work, just those willing to work....
 
Mommy, I'm hungry.

Tough shit kid. I ain't gettin' no job!

If you bothered to read the article, the program only applies to abled bodied adults with no children.
And you assume that jobs are infinite/these "work requirements" actually do something useful.

Well let me tell you, I'm a truck driver and this year alone, we need over 60,000 new drivers that industry can't find. When I go to industrial areas, I see countless sign after sign on companies that are looking for help. Go back three weeks later, the signs are still posted.

So the question is are these programs there for the truly indigent, or are people using them as an option to working?

Ray is absolutely right. There are all kinds of truck driving jobs available all over the United States. Even people in rural areas can drive for the big national companies. These are really good paying jobs too. I have some nephews who have been driving for years and they have moved around wherever they wanted to and gotten new jobs wherever they moved to. They make doggone good money too.

It's just like going into the military to get a trade or college education. Just too many young people do not want to do any little thing for themselves. They simply cannot abide the though of joining the military or driving a truck and being away from home a few days. Poor damn dependency syndrome.

Agreed and in fact, your nephews will even tell you that industry is bringing in foreigners to drive trucks because Americans are sitting home on their Obama Phone getting fat on their SNAP's cards.

These drivers are terrible drivers to boot, and some of them don't even know how to speak or read our language. I have no idea how they get around.

Some outfits will not only train you and get you licensed, but they will pay you while you learn. To think that's not enough for some Americans is embarrassing.

I cannot understand it Ray. If I had no training at all and had a wife and kid or two, I would certainly rather drive a truck and make a good payday than get by on SNAP and see my kids having to rely on free school lunches and free health care.
 
Weird how the republicans want to punish the peons after their retarded trade deals and h1b program has gutted our manufacturing, industry and middle class like jobs.

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Work doing what?
Republicans helped move millions of jobs to China and close over 40,000 factories under Bush. And Maine is 95% white so you can't blame it on blacks. Republicans gave tax breaks to companies moving to China. How many times have we posted the links.

So what jobs are they supposed to do after Republicans wrecked their jobs?
 
Maine Drops 9000 From Food Stamps After They Refuse To Comply With Work Requirement

Republican Gov. Paul LePage recently began enforcing Maine’s volunteer and work requirements for food stamp SNAP recipients to keep their benefits. The end result was more than 9,000 non-disabled adults getting dropped from the program.

The rules prevent adults who are not disabled and do not have dependents from receiving food stamps for more than three months, unless they work at least 20 hours a week, participate in a work-training program, or meet volunteer guidelines for 24 hours out of the month. Any one of those three getting met will not result in the loss of their SNAP food benefits.

Liberals have sold government dependence so deliberately well, that even doing 24 hours of approved volunteer work a month for a capable adult became too much for more than 9,000 people. If it seems like I’m parroting these numbers again and again, you must realize the implications are staggering. Who in their right mind would turn down such a deal? Actually wanting a member of society to be productive in some reasonable way shouldn’t be too hard to meet!

Maine Drops 9000 From Food Stamps After They Refuse To Comply With Work Requirement -
I suspect that many of them are working for cash under the table and don't have time to go do "voluteer work" for practically nothing.

To presume that all 9000 of them are just lazy fucks is naive.
 
Maine Drops 9000 From Food Stamps After They Refuse To Comply With Work Requirement

Republican Gov. Paul LePage recently began enforcing Maine’s volunteer and work requirements for food stamp SNAP recipients to keep their benefits. The end result was more than 9,000 non-disabled adults getting dropped from the program.

The rules prevent adults who are not disabled and do not have dependents from receiving food stamps for more than three months, unless they work at least 20 hours a week, participate in a work-training program, or meet volunteer guidelines for 24 hours out of the month. Any one of those three getting met will not result in the loss of their SNAP food benefits.

Liberals have sold government dependence so deliberately well, that even doing 24 hours of approved volunteer work a month for a capable adult became too much for more than 9,000 people. If it seems like I’m parroting these numbers again and again, you must realize the implications are staggering. Who in their right mind would turn down such a deal? Actually wanting a member of society to be productive in some reasonable way shouldn’t be too hard to meet!

Maine Drops 9000 From Food Stamps After They Refuse To Comply With Work Requirement -
I suspect that many of them are working for cash under the table and don't have time to go do "voluteer work" for practically nothing.

To presume that all 9000 of them are just lazy fucks is naive.

How about lazy fucks gaming the system?
 
Maine has been at the receiving end of somalie resettlement for years which just may have something to do with these numbers.
 
If you bothered to read the article, the program only applies to abled bodied adults with no children.
And you assume that jobs are infinite/these "work requirements" actually do something useful.

Well let me tell you, I'm a truck driver and this year alone, we need over 60,000 new drivers that industry can't find. When I go to industrial areas, I see countless sign after sign on companies that are looking for help. Go back three weeks later, the signs are still posted.

So the question is are these programs there for the truly indigent, or are people using them as an option to working?

Ray is absolutely right. There are all kinds of truck driving jobs available all over the United States. Even people in rural areas can drive for the big national companies. These are really good paying jobs too. I have some nephews who have been driving for years and they have moved around wherever they wanted to and gotten new jobs wherever they moved to. They make doggone good money too.

It's just like going into the military to get a trade or college education. Just too many young people do not want to do any little thing for themselves. They simply cannot abide the though of joining the military or driving a truck and being away from home a few days. Poor damn dependency syndrome.

Agreed and in fact, your nephews will even tell you that industry is bringing in foreigners to drive trucks because Americans are sitting home on their Obama Phone getting fat on their SNAP's cards.

These drivers are terrible drivers to boot, and some of them don't even know how to speak or read our language. I have no idea how they get around.

Some outfits will not only train you and get you licensed, but they will pay you while you learn. To think that's not enough for some Americans is embarrassing.

I cannot understand it Ray. If I had no training at all and had a wife and kid or two, I would certainly rather drive a truck and make a good payday than get by on SNAP and see my kids having to rely on free school lunches and free health care.

It's like anything else--conditioning.

If you have a life like that, you are in no hurry to leave it. I had to wake up to bad roads and heavy snow this morning, do you think I was anxious to get out in 10 degree weather and drive a truck?

Nothing would have made me happier than to wake up this morning, look out the window, and see all those people struggling to get to work during rush hour and just laugh that they are going to work to support me while I stay warm and comfy in my home.
 

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