What happened to the Republican Party I joined?

[ScienceRocks]

so what about accountability and personal responsibility???

Having an abortion when you are not ready to raise a child is the responsible thing to do.

Opposing women's reproductive rights is irresponsible.

You are irresponsible.

If birth control can stop most of these birth. What's the need for most abortions? I believe once the nervous system is developed=human being.

 

[Meathead]

50% of American women will have an unwanted pregnancy in their lifetime. The Republicans want the government to force these women to bring their pregnancy to term. Unwanted children are much more likely to be abused.

Therefore, Republicans are pro child abuse.

And don't tell me an embryo is a human being. If it was, the thousands of frozen embryos in fertility labs in this country would have the right to own guns.

Granted there are factions in the Republican party who support the things you mention, but making a blanket statement like, "The Republicans want the government to force these women to bring their pregnancy to term." is like saying all Democrats support late-term abortions and frankly stupid.

Not at all.

Anti abortion is the the Republican platform.

That's kind of the point I made about factions of the party which the platform point was meant to appease. In 20 years of Reagan/Bush/Bush, I never saw a serious concerted effort by rank and file Republicans to repeal Roe v Wade.

Very few Republicans I know feel strongly on this issue. It is a small but very determined group within the party which champions the "pro-life" agenda but are largely ignored by Republican leadership.

Blanket statements like yours, once again, are stupid.

 

[ScienceRocks]

What I really wish the republican party would adopt is a pro-science/infrastructure platform. Being pro-science doesn't mean being pro global warming.

 

[ABikerSailor]

All of the new Oklahoma laws aimed at limiting abortion and contraception are great for the Republican family that lives in a gingerbread house with a two-car garage, two planned kids and a dog. In the real world, they are less than perfect.

As a practicing physician (who never has or will perform an abortion), I deal with the real world. In the real world, 15- and 16-year-olds get pregnant (sadly, 12-, 13- and 14-year-olds do also). In the real world, 62 percent of women ages 20 to 24 who give birth are unmarried. And in the world I work and live in, an unplanned pregnancy can throw up a real roadblock on a woman's path to escaping the shackles of poverty.

Yet I cannot convince my Republican colleagues that one of the best ways to eliminate abortions is to ensure access to contraception. A recent attempt by my fellow lawmakers to prevent Medicaid dollars from covering the “morning after” pill is a case in point. Denying access to this important contraceptive is a sure way to increase legal and back-alley abortions. Moreover, such a law would discriminate against low-income women who depend on Medicaid for their health care.

But wait, some lawmakers want to go even further and limit everyone's access to birth control by allowing pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions for contraception.

What happened to the Republican Party that I joined? The party where conservative presidential candidate Barry Goldwater felt women should have the right to control their own destiny? The party where President Ronald Reagan said a poor person showing up in the emergency room deserved needed treatment regardless of ability to pay? What happened to the Republican Party that felt government should not overregulate people until (as we say in Oklahoma) “you have walked a mile in their moccasins”?

State Rep. Doug Cox: The GOP and abortion legislation | News OK

What happened to the Republican Party? Simple actually.............just 2 things.................

1) The implementation of the "Southern Strategy" (go ahead................look it up)......

2) The fact that a lot of whites got pissed that a Black Man is in the White House, and the creation of the Tea Party (thanks in a large part to Dick Armey and the Koch brothers).

Face it..................the lunatics have finally taken over the asylum.

 

[OriginalShroom]

Chris,

In case you missed it the first time..

What do you say to the young man who just found out the woman he met at the party two months ago is pregnant and that he is the father and is going to paying her child support for the next 20 years or go to jail?

 

[Obamanation]

so what about accountability and personal responsibility???

Having an abortion when you are not ready to raise a child is the responsible thing to do.

Opposing women's reproductive rights is irresponsible.

You are irresponsible.

So you have nothing?? just gonna try to twist your way into a legitimate argument...

Responsible is to either not have sex or have protected sex.... THAT IS RESPONSIBLE!!

I don't oppose womens reproductive rights. They have a right to own up to their behaviors, knowing that their actions have consequences....

You lose --- this entire thread is a joke!

We in Oklahoma will fight for accountability and personal responsibility. If you have an issue with it live with the fruits and nuts IN ANOTHER STATE!!!

 

[Obamanation]

50% of American women will have an unwanted pregnancy in their lifetime. The Republicans want the government to force these women to bring their pregnancy to term. Unwanted children are much more likely to be abused.

Therefore, Republicans are pro child abuse.

And don't tell me an embryo is a human being. If it was, the thousands of frozen embryos in fertility labs in this country would have the right to own guns.

Granted there are factions in the Republican party who support the things you mention, but making a blanket statement like, "The Republicans want the government to force these women to bring their pregnancy to term." is like saying all Democrats support late-term abortions and frankly stupid.

Not at all.

Anti abortion is the the Republican platform.

It should be the American platform...

 

[ABikerSailor]

Chris,

In case you missed it the first time..

What do you say to the young man who just found out the woman he met at the party two months ago is pregnant and that he is the father and is going to paying her child support for the next 20 years or go to jail?

Yanno..................I had that happen to me back in 1992 when I was stationed in Jacksonville FL. Her name was Jean Z. Russell, and she gave me birthday sex because we were dating and she liked me.

She also said that if she got pregnant, she'd never ask for support, because she was active duty like me and could get dependent pay for the kid (if it happened).

It happened, and she waited until I retired to try to get back child support.

I should have made her sign an agreement legally stating that she'd never chase me down for child support when she said she wouldn't.

Wanna know why she did it? Because I wouldn't marry her.

 

[JohnL.Burke]

50% of American women will have an unwanted pregnancy in their lifetime. The Republicans want the government to force these women to bring their pregnancy to term. Unwanted children are much more likely to be abused.

Therefore, Republicans are pro child abuse.

And don't tell me an embryo is a human being. If it was, the thousands of frozen embryos in fertility labs in this country would have the right to own guns.

I am always suspicious of people who say they used to be a republicans but now they're not. I feel the same way when people say they used to be democrats but now there not. Then they go on a typical partisan tirade while pretending they outgrew the party they were in. It's an old strategy. I'm also suspicious of people who claim to have prestigious jobs. I don't mean for one second that everybody is lying. I'm simply suspicious is all. When you wrote "Therefore, Republicans are pro child abuse", the suspicion I have grows stronger. To use such exaggerated rhetoric weakens the rest of your argument and puts your professional claims in doubt.

 

[Obamanation]

Granted there are factions in the Republican party who support the things you mention, but making a blanket statement like, "The Republicans want the government to force these women to bring their pregnancy to term." is like saying all Democrats support late-term abortions and frankly stupid.

Not at all.

Anti abortion is the the Republican platform.

That's kind of the point I made about factions of the party which the platform point was meant to appease. In 20 years of Reagan/Bush/Bush, I never saw a serious concerted effort by rank and file Republicans to repeal Roe v Wade.

Very few Republicans I know feel strongly on this issue. It is a small but very determined group within the party which champions the "pro-life" agenda but are largely ignored by Republican leadership.

Blanket statements like yours, once again, are stupid.

...and yes, I am strongly PRO LIFE --- but I don't think that the gov't is the best vehicle to address the issue. I would never select a candidate based on whether he/she was pro life or pro murder...

Teaching children to be accountable and personally responsibile is the ticket. That means we have to change the direction of the entire culture because the direction we are heading is secular in nature. Our children are being taught by the secular progressives that anything you want to do is just fine as long as you aren't in the way of others trying to do whatever they want to do...

Like the fool who started this thread suggesting that the "responsible thing to do" is to murder your baby --- when in reality, the chance to be responsible occurred at the time of conception!

 

[ABikerSailor]

so what about accountability and personal responsibility???

Having an abortion when you are not ready to raise a child is the responsible thing to do.

Opposing women's reproductive rights is irresponsible.

You are irresponsible.

So you have nothing?? just gonna try to twist your way into a legitimate argument...

Responsible is to either not have sex or have protected sex.... THAT IS RESPONSIBLE!!

I don't oppose womens reproductive rights. They have a right to own up to their behaviors, knowing that their actions have consequences....

You lose --- this entire thread is a joke!

We in Oklahoma will fight for accountability and personal responsibility. If you have an issue with it live with the fruits and nuts IN ANOTHER STATE!!!

Question..................wouldn't a form of "protected sex" (meaning you don't want to have children) include the morning after pill?

Or..................is it all just rubbers and rhythm?

 

[Meathead]

I am always suspicious of people who say they used to be a republicans but now they're not. I feel the same way when people say they used to be democrats but now there not. Then they go on a typical partisan tirade while pretending they outgrew the party they were in. It's an old strategy. I'm also suspicious of people who claim to have prestigious jobs. I don't mean for one second that everybody is lying. I'm simply suspicious is all. When you wrote "Therefore, Republicans are pro child abuse", the suspicion I have grows stronger. To use such exaggerated rhetoric weakens the rest of your argument and puts your professional claims in doubt.

I agree wholeheartedly. The caliber of posters claiming that are the likes of JoeB and Jake Starkey. In other words, the lowest of the low.

 

[Obamanation]

Chris,

In case you missed it the first time..

What do you say to the young man who just found out the woman he met at the party two months ago is pregnant and that he is the father and is going to paying her child support for the next 20 years or go to jail?

Yeah, no joke --- everything else in the dem party suggests that all of America should pay child support --- that poor guy shouldn't have his life ruined because some easy girl seduced him into bed after a few drinks...

 

[Papageorgio]

Every dollar spent on publicly funded family planning saves taxpayers $4 in costs associated with unintended births to mothers eligible for Medicaid.

...and what happened to accountability and personal responsibility??

Well, Doc???

That's what I thought....

What happened to the government staying out of women's business?

I'm all for that, keep taxpayer money out of the contraceptive and abortion business.

 

[S.J.]

50% of American women will have an unwanted pregnancy in their lifetime. The Republicans want the government to force these women to bring their pregnancy to term. Unwanted children are much more likely to be abused.

Therefore, Republicans are pro child abuse.

And don't tell me an embryo is a human being. If it was, the thousands of frozen embryos in fertility labs in this country would have the right to own guns.

I am always suspicious of people who say they used to be a republicans but now they're not. I feel the same way when people say they used to be democrats but now there not. Then they go on a typical partisan tirade while pretending they outgrew the party they were in. It's an old strategy. I'm also suspicious of people who claim to have prestigious jobs. I don't mean for one second that everybody is lying. I'm simply suspicious is all. When you wrote "Therefore, Republicans are pro child abuse", the suspicion I have grows stronger. To use such exaggerated rhetoric weakens the rest of your argument and puts your professional claims in doubt.

You're too nice, John. Chris is a fucking liar. No offense, Chris.

 

[Obamanation]

What I really wish the republican party would adopt is a pro-science/infrastructure platform. Being pro-science doesn't mean being pro global warming.

Encourage the science thing in the private sector --- not the gov't... JMO

...and make sure that monies ear-marked for infrastructure actually go there. Didn;t ZERO have a big stimulus bill that was supposed to go to infrastructure that ended up going to green fantasies instead??

I dunno how much of that billion dollars went to infrastructure --- but not much!!!

 

[Star]

...and what happened to accountability and personal responsibility??

Well, Doc???

That's what I thought....

What happened to the government staying out of women's business?

I'm all for that, keep taxpayer money out of the contraceptive and abortion business.

Dr. Doug Cox (R-OK) has it right, just not crazy right -- "Until quite recently, Planned Parenthood wasn’t controversial among Republicans. It had a long history of conservative backing—Dwight Eisenhower once co-chaired the Planned Parenthood Federation along with Harry Truman, and Barry Goldwater championed it. It’s not surprising that Ann Romney once donated to the organization; lots of Republican women did. And pro-choice Republican women like [Nancy] Brinker were fairly common—even Laura Bush said she backed Roe v. Wade.


In recent years, though, Republicans have become much more absolutist in their opposition to abortion, which has bled over into family planning..."


.

 

[Obamanation]

What happened to the government staying out of women's business?

I'm all for that, keep taxpayer money out of the contraceptive and abortion business.

Dr. Doug Cox (R-OK) has it right, just not crazy right -- "Until quite recently, Planned Parenthood wasn’t controversial among Republicans. It had a long history of conservative backing—Dwight Eisenhower once co-chaired the Planned Parenthood Federation along with Harry Truman, and Barry Goldwater championed it. It’s not surprising that Ann Romney once donated to the organization; lots of Republican women did. And pro-choice Republican women like [Nancy] Brinker were fairly common—even Laura Bush said she backed Roe v. Wade.


In recent years, though, Republicans have become much more absolutist in their opposition to abortion, which has bled over into family planning..."


.

Family planning? I hate that disingenuous bull crap...

Tax sponsored baby murders... Call it what it is!

I hate the liberal - lets come up with an alternative way to say something evil so it almost sounds like we are doing a good thing!

 

[Star]

I'm all for that, keep taxpayer money out of the contraceptive and abortion business.

Dr. Doug Cox (R-OK) has it right, just not crazy right -- "Until quite recently, Planned Parenthood wasn’t controversial among Republicans. It had a long history of conservative backing—Dwight Eisenhower once co-chaired the Planned Parenthood Federation along with Harry Truman, and Barry Goldwater championed it. It’s not surprising that Ann Romney once donated to the organization; lots of Republican women did. And pro-choice Republican women like [Nancy] Brinker were fairly common—even Laura Bush said she backed Roe v. Wade.


In recent years, though, Republicans have become much more absolutist in their opposition to abortion, which has bled over into family planning..."


.

Family planning? I hate that disingenuous bull crap...

Tax sponsored baby murders... Call it what it is!

I hate the liberal - lets come up with an alternative way to say something evil so it almost sounds like we are doing a good thing!

Look up!
Not surprisingly, the point of the thread just went right over your head. Dr. Doug Cox (R-OK) and-----and I might add, Governor Lincoln Chafee and others, like Bob Dole etc, are firing warning shots over the bow of the Republican ship to warn people like yourself that unless you change your ways, the Republican Party will continue it's decline in popularity.

Personally? -- I'd like to encourage you and other rightwing fringies to keep on keepin' on.
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[Obamanation]

Dr. Doug Cox (R-OK) has it right, just not crazy right -- "Until quite recently, Planned Parenthood wasn’t controversial among Republicans. It had a long history of conservative backing—Dwight Eisenhower once co-chaired the Planned Parenthood Federation along with Harry Truman, and Barry Goldwater championed it. It’s not surprising that Ann Romney once donated to the organization; lots of Republican women did. And pro-choice Republican women like [Nancy] Brinker were fairly common—even Laura Bush said she backed Roe v. Wade.


In recent years, though, Republicans have become much more absolutist in their opposition to abortion, which has bled over into family planning..."


.

Family planning? I hate that disingenuous bull crap...

Tax sponsored baby murders... Call it what it is!

I hate the liberal - lets come up with an alternative way to say something evil so it almost sounds like we are doing a good thing!

Look up!
Not surprisingly, the point of the thread just went right over your head. Dr. Doug Cox (R-OK) and-----and I might add, Governor Lincoln Chafee and others, like Bob Dole etc, are firing warning shots over the bow of the Republican ship to warn people like yourself that unless you change your ways, the Republican Party will continue it's decline in popularity.

Personally? -- I'd like to encourage you and other rightwing fringies to keep on keepin' on.
.

I'm sure you believe that --- but the GOP is only unpopular according to kids and wackjobs-- once you grow up you will start to think like an adult or fade into being just another liberal wacko...