What happened to liberals pushing gun control?

[rightwinger]

Show me a recent one if you think it is a strawman

The strawman is -your- choice of words.

The discussion isn't liberals wanting to necessarily "take away 2A rights", the discussion is about liberals wanting to place further restriction on 2A rights.

So... stating that "Take away 2nd Amendment rights" never appears on a Liberal platform" is a strawman, because that's not the point of contention.

You have still not shown a recent case where it is a significant part of the Liberal/Democratic platform

Its your thread.....show where Liberals consider gun control to be a major issue

 

[Jarhead]

What happened to liberals pushing gun control?

At one point, they pushed it rather strongly. Nowadays its hardly ever brought up.

If the anti-gun crowd is so right, if their argument is so sound – why pull back from the issue?

For proper gun control you need the right grip and proper trigger control.

And those dam targets need to hold still a little.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Its your thread.....show where Liberals consider gun control to be a major issue

You mean where they USED to consider it a major issue, sufficently so that they expended considerable effort to pass federal laws that would further restrict 2A rights.

Bracy Act, 1994
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Asssault weapon ban, 1994
Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
These were both major issues at the time, with considerable effort on both sides to pass/defeat the measure.

Since 1994, there's been no major federal initiative by liberals for increased gun control.
Why do you suppose that is?

 

[AllieBaba]

Liberals moved to big cities where we have control. Connies want to shoot it out..fine.

Have at it.

40,000 Americans die of gun shot wounds every year.

Roughly the same number of deaths in auto accidents.
How many die from diet related coronary heart disease or diabetes, or alcohol related diseases?

The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay...

How strange it is that there are more deaths by guns in the cities, where there is "control" than in the rest of the US, where we keep guns.

Isn't "control" supposed to make people less likely to be shot? It doesn't seem to work that way...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Show me a recent one if you think it is a strawman

The strawman is -your- choice of words.

The discussion isn't liberals wanting to necessarily "take away 2A rights", the discussion is about liberals wanting to place further restriction on 2A rights.

So... stating that "Take away 2nd Amendment rights" never appears on a Liberal platform" is a strawman, because that's not the point of contention.

You have still not shown a recent case where it is a significant part of the Liberal/Democratic platform

Its your thread.....show where Liberals consider gun control to be a major issue

There's no recent case you say?Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : Home

The Brady Center, joined by several national law enforcement groups, had filed a friend of the court brief urging the Court to interpret the Second Amendment to allow for “reasonable” gun laws.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Take the guns away from the criminals first, and i'll gladly give up mine.

Oh wait, NO I WON'T!.......nevermind!

 

[M14 Shooter]

Isn't "control" supposed to make people less likely to be shot? It doesn't seem to work that way...

The impetus behind gun control isn't in any way related to crime.

 

[AllieBaba]

Gun crime generally enjoys a huge upswing when stiffer gun control is put into place.

 

[M14 Shooter]

There's no recent case you say?

Of a significant liberal effort to further restrict 2A rights?
Nope. Court briefs don't compare to the efforts put forth in the Brady Act and 1994 AWB.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Take the guns away from the criminals first, and i'll gladly give up mine.

Oh wait, NO I WON'T!.......nevermind!

Jester that would be crazy, you still have elected criminals with access to guns.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Isn't "control" supposed to make people less likely to be shot? It doesn't seem to work that way...

The impetus behind gun control isn't in any way related to crime.

The origins of American gun control was a racist one. It was an attempt to keep guns out of the hands of blacks. And it was democrats that were the big pushers.

 

[Vast LWC]

"Repeal the 2nd amendment"

"Fifteen unambiguous words are all that would be required to quell the American-as-apple-pie cycle of gun violence that has now tearfully enshrined Virginia Tech in the record book of mass murder. Here are the 15 words that would deliver a mortal wound to our bang-bang culture of death: "The second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed."
Repeal the Second Amendment - Walter Shapiro - Salon.com

"The 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is evidence that, while the founding fathers were brilliant men, they could have used an editor.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

If the founders had limited themselves to the final 14 words, the amendment would have been an unambiguous declaration of the right to possess firearms. But they didn’t and it isn’t. The amendment was intended to protect the authority of the states to organize militias. The inartful wording has left the amendment open to public debate for more than 200 years. But in its last major decision on gun rights, in 1939, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously found that that was the correct interpretation."
Vox Pop: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

"How about rewriting it to say guns belong within a militia and not for individuals. Then states can issue licenses for guns for hunting, nothing more. If folks don't use them for hunting, check them out and check them back in, than they shouldn't have them. There are too many accidents and far too many killings."
Should We Repeal the Second Amendment? - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com

"The right to bear arms made sense in the 18th Century to provide for the common defense and afford citizens a guarantee against the encroachment of absolute monarchs. But today we don't rely on a militia to defend the country, and tyranny would involve a monopoly of media, not muskets. Born as a bulwark of democracy, the Second Amendment is the last refuge of gun fundamentalists and their well-financed lobbyists indifferent to the tragedies their liberal gun laws produce. Who will be the first politician to stand up and shout: ``Repeal!'' (The Miami Herald)
It's Time To Repeal The Second Amendment

Crazy radicals. Every philosophy has 'em. Think Westboro Baptist Church, but on the left.

 

[Vast LWC]

Roughly the same number of deaths in auto accidents.
How many die from diet related coronary heart disease or diabetes, or alcohol related diseases?

The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay...

All good points.

Of course, this brings up another good point...

How many people die from terrorist attacks each year?

And since more people get struck by lightning annually, what is the deal with all the terrorism hype?

 

[Vast LWC]

For proper gun control you need the right grip and proper trigger control.

Don't forget a working safety.

Oh, and trigger guards around the kiddies!

 

[Vast LWC]

Its your thread.....show where Liberals consider gun control to be a major issue

You mean where they USED to consider it a major issue, sufficently so that they expended considerable effort to pass federal laws that would further restrict 2A rights.

Bracy Act, 1994
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Asssault weapon ban, 1994
Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
These were both major issues at the time, with considerable effort on both sides to pass/defeat the measure.

Since 1994, there's been no major federal initiative by liberals for increased gun control.
Why do you suppose that is?

Not for nothing, but Brady was in the Reagan administration. Not a Liberal.

 

[Vast LWC]

The origins of American gun control was a racist one. It was an attempt to keep guns out of the hands of blacks. And it was democrats that were the big pushers.

Well, that would have been:

1. Before the racists switched over to the Republican party after the Civil Rights act, when the Republican party was made up of "Liberals" like Teddy Roosevelt.

and

2. a loooong loooong time ago.

 

[Intense]

The origins of American gun control was a racist one. It was an attempt to keep guns out of the hands of blacks. And it was democrats that were the big pushers.

Well, that would have been:

1. Before the racists switched over to the Republican party after the Civil Rights act, when the Republican party was made up of "Liberals" like Teddy Roosevelt.

and

2. a loooong loooong time ago.

Like Byrd! Sure, just keep believing.

No Racists in the DNC. Every Conservative Black is an Uncle Tom, right??? That's just fact, not Racism!!! Fucking good one there!!!

Keep those Brothers away from the Tea Party. Pressure them and discourage them from going to Rallies. I get it. Clear as a bell.

 

[Common Sense]

M14, i think you need to look at the original intent of a gun in why it was developed and manufactured.

take for example the Savage Model 110 (Savage Arms > Firearms) this was developed for hunting in comparison to the AR-15, which is the civilian version of military M16. The M16 / AR15 was developed by the military to kill people. is this really a weapon that needs to be available to the general public? (please try to use an argument other than its might right, if i want one, i should be able to have one)

we can also look at shotguns

the Remington SurShot vs. Benelli M4 Semi-Automatic

The Remington Surshot was also developed for deer hunting.

The Benelli M4 Semi-Automatic is the shotgun of choice for the US Marines, and had been tested in the most extreme conditions and has proven to be a solid performer under any circumstance. (yet another military weapon)


i am left of center and do not agree that the 2nd amendment should be repealed, but i dont see how allowing certain weapons to be sold to general public is good things? in many cases these weapons end up on the streets or in the hands of gangs. (case in point, although this was a military problem as well: Marines sold military assault weapons to L.A. gang members, authorities allege [Updated] | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times) another here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/19/us/19guns.html and another here: DPS seizes $1 million in cash from Texas drug gang | Dallas - Fort Worth News | wfaa.com | Crime

is there any agreement here that "some" guns should be more regulated than others, and that some should not be sold to the public? im obviously not talking about all of them.

 

[Sallow]

Liberals moved to big cities where we have [gun] control...

...and most of the crime involving guns. GO figure.

40,000 Americans die of gun shot wounds every year.

So why arent you pushing for more gun control?

NYC crime has gone way down. Gun control seems to be working out fine here.

And why?

Why? The current configuration of the Supreme Court makes it almost impossible for rational laws to survive a "Constitutional" challenge. They are in the pocket of the NRA and seem to like the crazy notion that it's an "indivdual" right..which it isn't. Scalia, Roberts, Alito and Thomas are ideologues and pretty poor judges. They have no trouble whatsoever with activism and legislating from the bench.

 

[CMike]

Almost all effective firearms can kill people