What happened to liberals pushing gun control?

[Common Sense]

Almost all effective firearms can kill people

all cars can kill people too, and we regulate those

 

[Wicked Jester]

M14, i think you need to look at the original intent of a gun in why it was developed and manufactured.

take for example the Savage Model 110 (Savage Arms > Firearms) this was developed for hunting in comparison to the AR-15, which is the civilian version of military M16. The M16 / AR15 was developed by the military to kill people. is this really a weapon that needs to be available to the general public? (please try to use an argument other than its might right, if i want one, i should be able to have one)

we can also look at shotguns

the Remington SurShot vs. Benelli M4 Semi-Automatic

The Remington Surshot was also developed for deer hunting.

The Benelli M4 Semi-Automatic is the shotgun of choice for the US Marines, and had been tested in the most extreme conditions and has proven to be a solid performer under any circumstance. (yet another military weapon)


i am left of center and do not agree that the 2nd amendment should be repealed, but i dont see how allowing certain weapons to be sold to general public is good things? in many cases these weapons end up on the streets or in the hands of gangs. (case in point, although this was a military problem as well: Marines sold military assault weapons to L.A. gang members, authorities allege [Updated] | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times) another here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/19/us/19guns.html and another here: DPS seizes $1 million in cash from Texas drug gang | Dallas - Fort Worth News | wfaa.com | Crime

is there any agreement here that "some" guns should be more regulated than others, and that some should not be sold to the public? im obviously not talking about all of them.

First of all, i'll use the old sayin', guns don't people, people kill people.

How about we start turning our prisons into real prisons?....Enough with appeasing the lil' criminal motherfuckers....No more cable TV......No more holiday meals......No more recreation time.....No more phones........No more laying their asses in their bunk all day.....Bring back the chain gangs.....Bring back the big rocks and sledge hammers..... Do away with life with the possibility of parole. You get life?, you're there for life.

How about a 50 state dealth penalty that is actually used?......You're found guilty and sentenced to die, you get maximum two appeals and it's lights out upon denial of the second.

How about people realize that if they step on their dicks, the consequences will be severe. No more slaps on the wrist.......They do hard, very miserable, unpleasant time.

How about we arm every cop in this country to conicide with what they are facing?...Auto 'em all up.......Put an M-4, right next to that shotgun in every car.

 

[Lasher]

What happened to liberals pushing gun control?

At one point, they pushed it rather strongly. Nowadays its hardly ever brought up.

If the anti-gun crowd is so right, if their argument is so sound – why pull back from the issue?

They must have too many other issues they are losing to concern themselves with this one.

 

[AllieBaba]

"Repeal the 2nd amendment"

"Fifteen unambiguous words are all that would be required to quell the American-as-apple-pie cycle of gun violence that has now tearfully enshrined Virginia Tech in the record book of mass murder. Here are the 15 words that would deliver a mortal wound to our bang-bang culture of death: "The second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed."
Repeal the Second Amendment - Walter Shapiro - Salon.com

"The 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is evidence that, while the founding fathers were brilliant men, they could have used an editor.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

If the founders had limited themselves to the final 14 words, the amendment would have been an unambiguous declaration of the right to possess firearms. But they didn’t and it isn’t. The amendment was intended to protect the authority of the states to organize militias. The inartful wording has left the amendment open to public debate for more than 200 years. But in its last major decision on gun rights, in 1939, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously found that that was the correct interpretation."
Vox Pop: Repeal the 2nd Amendment

"How about rewriting it to say guns belong within a militia and not for individuals. Then states can issue licenses for guns for hunting, nothing more. If folks don't use them for hunting, check them out and check them back in, than they shouldn't have them. There are too many accidents and far too many killings."
Should We Repeal the Second Amendment? - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com

"The right to bear arms made sense in the 18th Century to provide for the common defense and afford citizens a guarantee against the encroachment of absolute monarchs. But today we don't rely on a militia to defend the country, and tyranny would involve a monopoly of media, not muskets. Born as a bulwark of democracy, the Second Amendment is the last refuge of gun fundamentalists and their well-financed lobbyists indifferent to the tragedies their liberal gun laws produce. Who will be the first politician to stand up and shout: ``Repeal!'' (The Miami Herald)
It's Time To Repeal The Second Amendment

Crazy radicals. Every philosophy has 'em. Think Westboro Baptist Church, but on the left.

If they were that radical, there wouldn't be so many of them.

The Westboro Baptist church is one church. I have multiple sources.

 

[Lasher]

Almost all effective firearms can kill people

all cars can kill people too, and we regulate those

There is nothing in the Constitution about the right to keep and bear cars.

 

[Lasher]

Anyone who doesn't like what the Constitution says should take his or her sorry, no-good ass to some back-water, socialist country like Cuba or North Korea and complain there about how we are oppressed here in the Land of the Free.

 

[rightwinger]

Its your thread.....show where Liberals consider gun control to be a major issue

You mean where they USED to consider it a major issue, sufficently so that they expended considerable effort to pass federal laws that would further restrict 2A rights.

Bracy Act, 1994
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Asssault weapon ban, 1994
Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
These were both major issues at the time, with considerable effort on both sides to pass/defeat the measure.

Since 1994, there's been no major federal initiative by liberals for increased gun control.
Why do you suppose that is?

16 years?

We are talking about today. No liberals are pushing major gun legislation. Why is the NRA still stirring up the gun nuts about liberals taking your guns away?

It is only an issue to get gun nuts to throw their childrens college education fund to the NRA

 

[CMike]

Americans use a gun in self defense every 13 seconds - National self-defense | Examiner.com

Americans use a gun in self defense once every 13 seconds, according to a peer-reviewed study.
•The National Self Defense Survey, as conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994, indicates that Americans use guns in self defense 2,500,000 times per year, which is once every 13 seconds.•In about 30% of the defensive gun uses, the would-be victim believes that the gun “almost certainly” or “probably” saved a life.
•In more than 1/2 of the self defense gun uses, the would-be victim was under attack by 2 or more criminals, making a firearm the only viable means of self defense for most people.
•The overwhelming majority of these defensive gun uses were never reported by the news media.
•Gun ownership protects 65 lives for every 2 lives lost, and the overwhelming majority of of those lives lost are due to criminals who ignore gun bans anyway.

 

[CMike]

Its your thread.....show where Liberals consider gun control to be a major issue

You mean where they USED to consider it a major issue, sufficently so that they expended considerable effort to pass federal laws that would further restrict 2A rights.

Bracy Act, 1994
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Asssault weapon ban, 1994
Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
These were both major issues at the time, with considerable effort on both sides to pass/defeat the measure.

Since 1994, there's been no major federal initiative by liberals for increased gun control.
Why do you suppose that is?

16 years?

We are talking about today. No liberals are pushing major gun legislation. Why is the NRA still stirring up the gun nuts about liberals taking your guns away?

It is only an issue to get gun nuts to throw their childrens college education fund to the NRA

Try getting a handgun and getting one for concealed purposes in Maryland, NY, or Washington D.C.

 

[Sallow]

Its your thread.....show where Liberals consider gun control to be a major issue

You mean where they USED to consider it a major issue, sufficently so that they expended considerable effort to pass federal laws that would further restrict 2A rights.

Bracy Act, 1994
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Asssault weapon ban, 1994
Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
These were both major issues at the time, with considerable effort on both sides to pass/defeat the measure.

Since 1994, there's been no major federal initiative by liberals for increased gun control.
Why do you suppose that is?

16 years?

We are talking about today. No liberals are pushing major gun legislation. Why is the NRA still stirring up the gun nuts about liberals taking your guns away?

It is only an issue to get gun nuts to throw their childrens college education fund to the NRA

Yep.

And that's the funny thing. Sane gun control is not looking to take guns away. Personally I have no problem with guns for personal protection. Heck..Alaskans may well need guns to keep polar bears out of their yards. But I don't want to see people with their guns in bars drinking.

 

[CMike]

Some of my nicer guns.

Kimber Pro Raptor II. 45 acp

Best revolver ever made a 1966 Colt Python .357 mag

 

[rightwinger]

Some of my nicer guns.

Kimber Pro Raptor II. 45 acp

Best revolver ever made a 1966 Colt Python .357 mag

Some of my nicer guns....It'll take your eye out

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The origins of American gun control was a racist one. It was an attempt to keep guns out of the hands of blacks. And it was democrats that were the big pushers.

Well, that would have been:

1. Before the racists switched over to the Republican party after the Civil Rights act, when the Republican party was made up of "Liberals" like Teddy Roosevelt.

and

2. a loooong loooong time ago.

You have racist in the DNC right now. don't make me bust a gut laughing at you


I just found these two videos
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[uscitizen]

40,000 Americans die of gun shot wounds every year.

And, you might want to update your talking points.
Gun related deaths per year:
2007 31224 (last available)
2006 30896
2005 30694
2004 29569
etc...
WONDER Message

Why do we have so many gun related deaths, when nations like Switzerland and Canada, with more guns in the general population, have far fewer per capita?

We need to address that question.

ahh the swiss myth.
I wil not waste the time to go thru that again.
Perhaps the swiss are just more advanced humans than most Americans?

 

[JWBooth]

Some of my nicer guns.

Kimber Pro Raptor II. 45 acp



Best revolver ever made a 1966 Colt Python .357 mag

My guns were lost in a tragic boating accident.
I'd suggest that yours be lost in a similar fashion rather than posting pictures of them on the internet.

 

[Sallow]

And, you might want to update your talking points.
Gun related deaths per year:
2007 31224 (last available)
2006 30896
2005 30694
2004 29569
etc...
WONDER Message

Why do we have so many gun related deaths, when nations like Switzerland and Canada, with more guns in the general population, have far fewer per capita?

We need to address that question.

ahh the swiss myth.
I wil not waste the time to go thru that again.
Perhaps the swiss are just more advanced humans than most Americans?

It's the chocolate.

 

[uscitizen]

I just read up some on the swiss and guns and my conclusion is that they are just better behaved people than US citizens overall.

And you do have to get a permit for a handgun and pass a background check and not be mentally infirm.
Various firearms regulations vary from Canton to canton.

 

[rdean]

Because he lived in Chicago. It's different when you are president. What you want in one city doesn't mean you want that for the entire country.

Not sure how much water this holds, especially if you don't apply it to everything else.
If the argument for the positions he stated is sound, then it is sound, period.

Only if you are talking about the Republican Party. They are 90% white, mostly the same religion and march in lockstep. What is good for one is good for all.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way in the rest of the country. The only reason to make a handgun is to kill someone. When was the last time you heard about someone being killed by a rifle. Think about where most people would carry rifles and most would carry hand guns. Why someone would use a rifle and someone would use a handgun. Then his position becomes pretty clear. Hey, know when dear hunting season starts? I could use some venison.

 

[QUENTIN]

What happened to liberals pushing gun control?

At one point, they pushed it rather strongly. Nowadays its hardly ever brought up.

If the anti-gun crowd is so right, if their argument is so sound – why pull back from the issue?

I can't speak for others but I'm a leftist and I think a lot of us just became pretty strict Constitutionalists over the last decade or so.

I wish there were less guns on the street, but I also wish there wasn't heroin or gas guzzlers or anything else that causes harm.

But as far as I'm concerned, all of those things should be legal and the government has no right to dictate what private property adults can own and use so long as they're not infringing on the rights of anyone else. Wishing for better shouldn't equal prohibition because individual liberty as a principle is more important than trying to protect everything and everyone from the potential for harm when harm is not inevitable.

The anti-gun crowd is right is their aims - it would be better if access to guns wasn't so easy and gun crime wasn't so prevalent - but wrong to try to legislate them out of existence, particularly when the right is enshrined in the Constitution.

 

[westwall]

If it's numbers that you want here are a few.

300,000,000 firearms in the US kill on average 32,000 per year. This includes suicide, cops killing bad guys, bad guys killing bad guys (the majority of killings), bad guys killing good guys and good guys killing bad guys, which they do about twice as often as the police.
And also a conservative estimate says that guns are used by civilians around 2 million times a year to prevent crime and the vast majority of the time they are not fired.


There are 6.5 million cars and they kill on average 40,000 per year.

There are 800,000 doctors and according to the AMA they are responsible for killing over 100,000 people per year due to mis-diagnosis, malpractice, and drug errors.

So on a strictly number basis you are for more likely to die at the hands of a doctor than from either cars or guns.