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Almost all effective firearms can kill people
all cars can kill people too, and we regulate those
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Almost all effective firearms can kill people
First of all, i'll use the old sayin', guns don't people, people kill people.M14, i think you need to look at the original intent of a gun in why it was developed and manufactured.
take for example the Savage Model 110 (Savage Arms > Firearms) this was developed for hunting in comparison to the AR-15, which is the civilian version of military M16. The M16 / AR15 was developed by the military to kill people. is this really a weapon that needs to be available to the general public? (please try to use an argument other than its might right, if i want one, i should be able to have one)
we can also look at shotguns
the Remington SurShot vs. Benelli M4 Semi-Automatic
The Remington Surshot was also developed for deer hunting.
The Benelli M4 Semi-Automatic is the shotgun of choice for the US Marines, and had been tested in the most extreme conditions and has proven to be a solid performer under any circumstance. (yet another military weapon)
i am left of center and do not agree that the 2nd amendment should be repealed, but i dont see how allowing certain weapons to be sold to general public is good things? in many cases these weapons end up on the streets or in the hands of gangs. (case in point, although this was a military problem as well: Marines sold military assault weapons to L.A. gang members, authorities allege [Updated] | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times) another here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/19/us/19guns.html and another here: DPS seizes $1 million in cash from Texas drug gang | Dallas - Fort Worth News | wfaa.com | Crime
is there any agreement here that "some" guns should be more regulated than others, and that some should not be sold to the public? im obviously not talking about all of them.
What happened to liberals pushing gun control?
At one point, they pushed it rather strongly. Nowadays its hardly ever brought up.
If the anti-gun crowd is so right, if their argument is so sound why pull back from the issue?
"Repeal the 2nd amendment"
"Fifteen unambiguous words are all that would be required to quell the American-as-apple-pie cycle of gun violence that has now tearfully enshrined Virginia Tech in the record book of mass murder. Here are the 15 words that would deliver a mortal wound to our bang-bang culture of death: "The second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed."
Repeal the Second Amendment - Walter Shapiro - Salon.com
"The 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is evidence that, while the founding fathers were brilliant men, they could have used an editor.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
If the founders had limited themselves to the final 14 words, the amendment would have been an unambiguous declaration of the right to possess firearms. But they didnt and it isnt. The amendment was intended to protect the authority of the states to organize militias. The inartful wording has left the amendment open to public debate for more than 200 years. But in its last major decision on gun rights, in 1939, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously found that that was the correct interpretation."
Vox Pop: Repeal the 2nd Amendment
"How about rewriting it to say guns belong within a militia and not for individuals. Then states can issue licenses for guns for hunting, nothing more. If folks don't use them for hunting, check them out and check them back in, than they shouldn't have them. There are too many accidents and far too many killings."
Should We Repeal the Second Amendment? - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com
"The right to bear arms made sense in the 18th Century to provide for the common defense and afford citizens a guarantee against the encroachment of absolute monarchs. But today we don't rely on a militia to defend the country, and tyranny would involve a monopoly of media, not muskets. Born as a bulwark of democracy, the Second Amendment is the last refuge of gun fundamentalists and their well-financed lobbyists indifferent to the tragedies their liberal gun laws produce. Who will be the first politician to stand up and shout: ``Repeal!'' (The Miami Herald)
It's Time To Repeal The Second Amendment
Crazy radicals. Every philosophy has 'em. Think Westboro Baptist Church, but on the left.
You mean where they USED to consider it a major issue, sufficently so that they expended considerable effort to pass federal laws that would further restrict 2A rights.Its your thread.....show where Liberals consider gun control to be a major issue
Bracy Act, 1994
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Asssault weapon ban, 1994
Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
These were both major issues at the time, with considerable effort on both sides to pass/defeat the measure.
Since 1994, there's been no major federal initiative by liberals for increased gun control.
Why do you suppose that is?
You mean where they USED to consider it a major issue, sufficently so that they expended considerable effort to pass federal laws that would further restrict 2A rights.Its your thread.....show where Liberals consider gun control to be a major issue
Bracy Act, 1994
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Asssault weapon ban, 1994
Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
These were both major issues at the time, with considerable effort on both sides to pass/defeat the measure.
Since 1994, there's been no major federal initiative by liberals for increased gun control.
Why do you suppose that is?
16 years?
We are talking about today. No liberals are pushing major gun legislation. Why is the NRA still stirring up the gun nuts about liberals taking your guns away?
It is only an issue to get gun nuts to throw their childrens college education fund to the NRA
You mean where they USED to consider it a major issue, sufficently so that they expended considerable effort to pass federal laws that would further restrict 2A rights.Its your thread.....show where Liberals consider gun control to be a major issue
Bracy Act, 1994
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Asssault weapon ban, 1994
Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
These were both major issues at the time, with considerable effort on both sides to pass/defeat the measure.
Since 1994, there's been no major federal initiative by liberals for increased gun control.
Why do you suppose that is?
16 years?
We are talking about today. No liberals are pushing major gun legislation. Why is the NRA still stirring up the gun nuts about liberals taking your guns away?
It is only an issue to get gun nuts to throw their childrens college education fund to the NRA
Some of my nicer guns.
Kimber Pro Raptor II. 45 acp
Best revolver ever made a 1966 Colt Python .357 mag
The origins of American gun control was a racist one. It was an attempt to keep guns out of the hands of blacks. And it was democrats that were the big pushers.
Well, that would have been:
1. Before the racists switched over to the Republican party after the Civil Rights act, when the Republican party was made up of "Liberals" like Teddy Roosevelt.
and
2. a loooong loooong time ago.
And, you might want to update your talking points.40,000 Americans die of gun shot wounds every year.
Gun related deaths per year:
2007 31224 (last available)
2006 30896
2005 30694
2004 29569
etc...
WONDER Message
Why do we have so many gun related deaths, when nations like Switzerland and Canada, with more guns in the general population, have far fewer per capita?
We need to address that question.
Some of my nicer guns.
Kimber Pro Raptor II. 45 acp
Best revolver ever made a 1966 Colt Python .357 mag
And, you might want to update your talking points.
Gun related deaths per year:
2007 31224 (last available)
2006 30896
2005 30694
2004 29569
etc...
WONDER Message
Why do we have so many gun related deaths, when nations like Switzerland and Canada, with more guns in the general population, have far fewer per capita?
We need to address that question.
ahh the swiss myth.
I wil not waste the time to go thru that again.
Perhaps the swiss are just more advanced humans than most Americans?
Not sure how much water this holds, especially if you don't apply it to everything else.Because he lived in Chicago. It's different when you are president. What you want in one city doesn't mean you want that for the entire country.
If the argument for the positions he stated is sound, then it is sound, period.
What happened to liberals pushing gun control?
At one point, they pushed it rather strongly. Nowadays its hardly ever brought up.
If the anti-gun crowd is so right, if their argument is so sound why pull back from the issue?