What government programs have you benefited from?

[JW Frogen]

My parents have worked hard all their lives, they won't need government hand outs and they certainly don't need my help.

And when you lived with your hard working parents as a child did you accept any hand outs, food, clothing, shelter? I bet you did you socialist bitch!

I would still have sex with you just don't tell your Marine brothers.

 

[Modbert]

And when you lived with your hard working parents as a child did you accept any hand outs, food, clothing, shelter? I bet you did you socialist bitch!

I would still have sex with you just don't tell your Marine brothers.

Poetry from JW.

 

[Ravi]

Are you assuming that a private water company would sell you dirty water?

We already know that prior to the EPA (and even after in certain instances -- hence the Super Fund) corporations don;t care what they do to our groundwater and air... UNLESS government makes sure they fly right.

We also know airlines are required to inspect and repair their planes in accordance with government safety.

If you work in a place where you're not sucking in asbestos, it's because government controls that.

If you eat untainted food, it's because of the FDA...if your pharmaceuticals are safe, it's because of the FDA... if one owner doesn't control all media in your market, it's because government makes sure that there aren't monopolies on information.

if your milk is priced in accordance with market forces and not because of a deal made by a bunch of corporations to price gauge, it's because of federal anti-trust laws.

If you had a government backed student loan like i did.

If you went to a State University like I did, it got help from government.

If you had a disaster happen where you live, like we did here on 9.11, you benefitted from FEMA.

If you have ever driven from NY to California or Maine to Florida or any other configuration, you rode on goverment roads.

If you rode on mass transit, it came from government.

If you were educated in public schools, it came from government.

If you ever worked for a company that had a government contract, you benefitted from our govt.

If you ever worked for the goverment...well, that goes without saying.

If you ever had to sue someone in court, you benefitted from government.

If you have taken a plane at any time since 2001, you have benefitted from the TSA and DHS.

If you live someplace, like I do, where they thwarted a terrorist attack, then you benefitted from government.

And no, the taxes they take from me wouldn't have covered all of that.

GREAT list. I wonder what the life expectancy of the average American would be if we didn't all get together to improve the quality of life?

 

[Ravi]

I recall one or two libertarians...or conservatives (one won't admit to being either one) admitting they took government subsidized student loans, admitting they got back more tax money than they paid in, admitted that as kids they lived off of disability social security from a parents death, admitted they got free lunch because they qualified for it...and various other benefits and it got me wondering.

What government programs have you benefited from?

Here's my list, as far as I recall.

6 years of public school.
Clean water.
Uncontaminated food.
4 years publicly funded school buses.
Military protection.
Clear roads.
$250 from FEMA for hurricane damage.
Federally underwritten flood insurance.4 years of publicly funded school for each of two kids.
1 year of bus services for 1 kid.
Scholarship for 1 kid underwritten by the state.

The highlighted items are ones that seem unusual to me. The rest is the result of minimum performance of a supported infastructure.

For me, I attended a state college with tuition subsidized by taxpayers. As repayment, I and the rest of the student body combined to support athletic teams that made the upper division of the Big Ten possible.

However, following graduation, I've more than paid back anything that I recieved in benefits with the taxes paid. All in all, it's worth it. I don't think there are many that would choose to be less than they could be. Some have missed the turn that would take them there and others never got close to the road they needed.

Some are culturally encouraged to fail or rebel. Some are held down or distracted by circumstance. Some lost out early by not learning to read, as an example, or making one disastrous decision that changed all that followed. Some won early by equally unlikely good fortune.

Most of us go with the flow and if we're lucky, can affect our course at critical moments.

In my red state we have something called Bright Futures scholarships. They are open to all, awarded on merit (GPA) and usable at any state college or university.

 

[Ravi]

Retard 1(Dude):: GUBMINT IST BAD! ALL GUBMINT IST BAD! ONLY RICH FOLKS SHOULD HAVE SKOOL AND CLEAN WATER!! NAZICOMMUNISTHIPPIESOCIALISTDEMOCRAT!!!!

Retard 2::Government is God. It can manage everything better than the private sector or corporation$. Surrender to the Staat.


All of you whoss posts resemble either of the above should kill yourselves.

Government is a necessity. There are certain things only the Fed can coordinate, there are certain things the States can best manage, and there are some things the government should stay the fuck out of. All of you extremist partisan hacks are fucking morons.

Good point... The government should be as small as possible while at the same time allowing us all the freedom to thrive. Because really, that is the point of government.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I recall one or two libertarians...or conservatives (one won't admit to being either one) admitting they took government subsidized student loans, admitting they got back more tax money than they paid in, admitted that as kids they lived off of disability social security from a parents death, admitted they got free lunch because they qualified for it...and various other benefits and it got me wondering.

What government programs have you benefited from?

Here's my list, as far as I recall.

6 years of public school.
Clean water.
Uncontaminated food.
4 years publicly funded school buses.
Military protection.
Clear roads.
$250 from FEMA for hurricane damage.
Federally underwritten flood insurance.
4 years of publicly funded school for each of two kids.
1 year of bus services for 1 kid.
Scholarship for 1 kid underwritten by the state.

You make it sound like we don't pay for all that.

We do.

 

[Ravi]

what do we need military protection from.....you can make your own clean water.....we had clear roads before taxes....

other than city infrastructure not much that i can think of....i am a rich white dude that is a "partner" in a corportation....i pay for other peoples shit....

Make that "rich skinny lil white dude"...

lol.....6-2 220......

Returning to this point...so what? I am a comparatively well off white woman that is a partner in a corporation and I am not delusional enough to believe that without America's under lying social structure our company would be doing as well...and no doubt the same can be said of your company...

 

[chanel]

In NJ, we have the highest in-state tuition in the country. I believe Rutgers is now $22K for residents. There are no merit scholarships that I am aware of without income limits. The Rutgers football coach makes over a $1 million a year, courtesy of the NJ taxpayers. I used to contribute to the Alumni Assoc. until I read that. They are now in the process of building a $100 million football stadium. It's a real eye-opener to see where our money goes.

I think it's bullshit that every parent must fill out a FAFSA form even when the kids won't get a dime. I could've sworn when I hit that submit button, the computer started laughing and said "ha ha sucka".

 

[Ravi]

Show me one government that has succeeded without collecting taxes?

At least you know who is REALLY paying. The government isn't paying for anything. In fact the governement is stealing from us.

Move then! I bet in Haiti you don't have to pay high taxes, and they don't have socialized medicine.

Good point. That's another benefit...building codes.

I wonder if these "self-made" doofuses would thrive in Haiti, Somalia, Cuba, or China?

 

[Ravi]

I recall one or two libertarians...or conservatives (one won't admit to being either one) admitting they took government subsidized student loans, admitting they got back more tax money than they paid in, admitted that as kids they lived off of disability social security from a parents death, admitted they got free lunch because they qualified for it...and various other benefits and it got me wondering.

What government programs have you benefited from?

Here's my list, as far as I recall.

6 years of public school.
Clean water.
Uncontaminated food.
4 years publicly funded school buses.
Military protection.
Clear roads.
$250 from FEMA for hurricane damage.
Federally underwritten flood insurance.
4 years of publicly funded school for each of two kids.
1 year of bus services for 1 kid.
Scholarship for 1 kid underwritten by the state.

You make it sound like we don't pay for all that.

We do.

I'm sorry...I forgot Libertarians consider the Government to be some mythical organization instead of the will and money of the people.

 

[chanel]

The "will" of what people? Let's see if they force this boondoggle of a health care bill down our throats and revisit that statement later, shall we?

 

[Dis]

Retard 1(Dude):: GUBMINT IST BAD! ALL GUBMINT IST BAD! ONLY RICH FOLKS SHOULD HAVE SKOOL AND CLEAN WATER!! NAZICOMMUNISTHIPPIESOCIALISTDEMOCRAT!!!!

Retard 2::Government is God. It can manage everything better than the private sector or corporation$. Surrender to the Staat.


All of you whoss posts resemble either of the above should kill yourselves.

Government is a necessity. There are certain things only the Fed can coordinate, there are certain things the States can best manage, and there are some things the government should stay the fuck out of. All of you extremist partisan hacks are fucking morons.

Reverting right back to true form, huh...

 

[froggy]

I'm not here illegal, so my answer is none.

so you didn't go to school.

don't use public roads or transportion.

suck asbestos in at work.

and have lead in your paint.




want to re-think your answer?

Those i paid for nothing free there.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I recall one or two libertarians...or conservatives (one won't admit to being either one) admitting they took government subsidized student loans, admitting they got back more tax money than they paid in, admitted that as kids they lived off of disability social security from a parents death, admitted they got free lunch because they qualified for it...and various other benefits and it got me wondering.

What government programs have you benefited from?

Here's my list, as far as I recall.

6 years of public school.
Clean water.
Uncontaminated food.
4 years publicly funded school buses.
Military protection.
Clear roads.
$250 from FEMA for hurricane damage.
Federally underwritten flood insurance.
4 years of publicly funded school for each of two kids.
1 year of bus services for 1 kid.
Scholarship for 1 kid underwritten by the state.

Public School is paid by your taxes , as is local clean water , the Bus , clear roads , those are LOCAL taxes voted on and approved LOCALLY. They also are directly the responsibility of Local Government. Hardly the supposed handouts you are trying to portray them as.

Food is a job of the Federal Government, again hardly a hand out, nor is the military a hand out either. But then you are pretty damn stupid when it comes to this shit, you still claim that retired pay from the Government to the military is a social program.

 

[chanel]

I think that's the fundamental difference between liberal/socialists and normal people. They don't understand the concept of "TNFL" - there's no such thing as a free lunch. Dude hit the nail on the head. It cones from the leprachauns.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I recall one or two libertarians...or conservatives (one won't admit to being either one) admitting they took government subsidized student loans, admitting they got back more tax money than they paid in, admitted that as kids they lived off of disability social security from a parents death, admitted they got free lunch because they qualified for it...and various other benefits and it got me wondering.

What government programs have you benefited from?

Here's my list, as far as I recall.

6 years of public school.
Clean water.
Uncontaminated food.
4 years publicly funded school buses.
Military protection.
Clear roads.
$250 from FEMA for hurricane damage.
Federally underwritten flood insurance.
4 years of publicly funded school for each of two kids.
1 year of bus services for 1 kid.
Scholarship for 1 kid underwritten by the state.

You make it sound like we don't pay for all that.

We do.

I'm sorry...I forgot Libertarians consider the Government to be some mythical organization instead of the will and money of the people.

The government ain't no myth or else I wouldn't pay the tens of thousands to it that I do.

But really you are being extremely naive if you think that with the exception of very few of those things you listed that we as people could not get better services for less than the government provides them.

And a few things I don't understand.

Do you think a person should pay substantially less in taxes merely because they chose to have a gaggle of kids while others pay substantially more because they chose to have no or fewer kids?

Do you believe that people who avail themselves of government services more than others should pay more or less in taxes?

The founding fathers realized that there are some things that need to be done as a nation and no libertarian I know objects to those things. A lot of the stuff on your list is better off being done locally but we have a system now where the federal government has basically taken states hostage.

For example, if a state does not teach certain unnecessary crap in its schools, it will receive no federal education money. The problem here is the federal government has no constitutional authority to do that.

I especially love how you like to use roads as an example yet you then complain that roads are falling apart. Well the reason roads are falling apart is that the government doesn't spend the billions collected annually in federal and state gas taxes, excise taxes and tolls that are supposed to pay for roads on roads. What does it spend the money on you ask?

Beats the fuck out of me and I've tried to find out.

Our tax system is backwards. Federal taxes should be less than local and state taxes because our government was designed to leave more power with the states and therefore more directly in the hands of the people rather than having a behemoth of a federal government that rides rough shod over the country. And even town and city government routinely fuck things up.

For example, in my town we built a multi million dollar waste treatment plant that is only running at 20% capacity. Why only 20%? Well the town has decided that digging up the roads to reach all residents isn't worth it.

Now tell me, why should i have to pay any taxes to fund that debacle and have to pay for my private septic system?

Yeah government does a lot of shit but in general they do a shitty job.

We could do a lot better if government stuck to only those things people cannot do individually.

 

[Ravi]

I recall one or two libertarians...or conservatives (one won't admit to being either one) admitting they took government subsidized student loans, admitting they got back more tax money than they paid in, admitted that as kids they lived off of disability social security from a parents death, admitted they got free lunch because they qualified for it...and various other benefits and it got me wondering.

What government programs have you benefited from?

Here's my list, as far as I recall.

6 years of public school.
Clean water.
Uncontaminated food.
4 years publicly funded school buses.
Military protection.
Clear roads.
$250 from FEMA for hurricane damage.
Federally underwritten flood insurance.
4 years of publicly funded school for each of two kids.
1 year of bus services for 1 kid.
Scholarship for 1 kid underwritten by the state.

Public School is paid by your taxes , as is local clean water , the Bus , clear roads , those are LOCAL taxes voted on and approved LOCALLY. They also are directly the responsibility of Local Government. Hardly the supposed handouts you are trying to portray them as.

Food is a job of the Federal Government, again hardly a hand out, nor is the military a hand out either. But then you are pretty damn stupid when it comes to this shit, you still claim that retired pay from the Government to the military is a social program.

You're the stupid one to claim I portrayed them as handouts.

 

[Ravi]

I think that's the fundamental difference between liberal/socialists and normal people. They don't understand the concept of "TNFL" - there's no such thing as a free lunch. Dude hit the nail on the head. It cones from the leprachauns.

Normal people?

No one on this thread believes that we don't pay for our own social structure.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

The "will" of what people? Let's see if they force this boondoggle of a health care bill down our throats and revisit that statement later, shall we?

People keep voting for them, it seems. Clearly, they're not really all that upset with the way they're running things.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Dude hit the nail on the head. It cones from the leprachauns.