What fuels the hate.

[Sixties Fan]

Thank you. Good question.

An immigrant moves to a country to become a part of the existing community.

Settler colonialists move into settlements to live separate from and eventually replace the existing community.

Wouldn't that make returning Arab Palestinians and their descendants settler colonialists?

Not really. Immigration is normal. There are always people looking for a better life. These were individual choices. And, of course, these people would move into neighborhoods where they would feel comfortable with the locals. That is why there is a Little Italy, Chinatown, Slavic Village, etc. here.

Zionism, however, was (is) quite different. It was (is) a well planned, funded, and orchestrated takeover of Palestine to convert it to an exclusive Jewish state. It was a settler colonial project from the get go. To do this they had to violate all of the Palestinian's rights and many international laws.

What in the world is WRONG with the Jews returning to their ancient homeland and recreating their Nation on that ancient land?

It is called return to one's homeland, and not invasion or colonialism.

They violated no Palestinian rights, from 1897 on, as there were no "Palestinians". And it violated no International laws, only in your mind.

All people in Palestine, once the Mandate for Palestine was created became known as Palestinians, and ceased to be known as that once Jordan and then Israel became Sovereign states.

The Hashemites being the only colonizers in this whole story as they were foreigners from Arabia and received land designated for the Jewish State from a foreign power, the British.

Indeed, Britain fucked over the entire region. Jordan was one of the better ones. The biggest disasters were Cashmere, the Kurds, and Palestine. These are still festering wounds.

Uhmmmm......Jordan was one of the better ones. Foreigners who were kicked out of Arabia and then took over 77% of the land designated for the Jewish Homeland.........no wonder you are happy with them
(Jordan was not even supposed to be in the equation, but what does it matter. One more failed Arab/Muslim state, one less)

You do tend to forget about the French. The French had two Mandates, the British had two Mandates.

Only the British did wrong, according to you.

No wounds in Lebanon or Syria.

 

[P F Tinmore]

known as Palestinians, and ceased to be known as that once Jordan and then Israel became Sovereign states.

More Israeli bullshit, of course.

 

[MJB12741]

known as Palestinians, and ceased to be known as that once Jordan and then Israel became Sovereign states.

More Israeli bullshit, of course.

Typical. Palestinians & their supporters always rioting. Thanks for sharing the truth with us.

 

[P F Tinmore]

known as Palestinians, and ceased to be known as that once Jordan and then Israel became Sovereign states.

More Israeli bullshit, of course.

Typical. Palestinians & their supporters always rioting. Thanks for sharing the truth with us.

Nobody was rioting. Well, except in France. France sent in the riot police to start a riot. The more intelligent countries were peaceful.

 

[Shusha]

Not really. Immigration is normal. There are always people looking for a better life. These were individual choices. And, of course, these people would move into neighborhoods where they would feel comfortable with the locals. That is why there is a Little Italy, Chinatown, Slavic Village, etc. here.

Which demonstrates the very thing which you said makes them settler colonialists -- they lived separately and didn't integrate. So your definition doesn't work.

Zionism, however, was (is) quite different. It was (is) a well planned, funded, and orchestrated takeover of Palestine to convert it to an exclusive Jewish state. It was a settler colonial project from the get go.

I agree Zionism (Jewish nationalism) is different than immigration. But so is Arab Palestinian nationalism. Neither Jewish nationalism nor Arab Palestinian nationalism is settler colonialism. They are entirely different ideas. Why? Because nationalism is the assertion of an historical claim.

Jewish nationalism and Arab Palestinian nationalism are equivalent. The problem is that you support nationalism for one and pretend it is something else with the other and you can't give me a satisfactory definition which explains your position.

It appears arbitrary for you to reject nationalism for the Jewish people. This is especially true since you seem to support nationalism for nearly all people. (Though you also seem reject it for the First Nations people of the Americas.)

 

[Shusha]

Settler colonialists move into settlements to live separate from and eventually replace the existing community.

The return of the Arab Palestinians to "Palestine" certainly intends to replace the existing community. By your definition, that makes them settler colonialists. And yet you will say that they are not. So this definition is not adequate.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not really. Immigration is normal. There are always people looking for a better life. These were individual choices. And, of course, these people would move into neighborhoods where they would feel comfortable with the locals. That is why there is a Little Italy, Chinatown, Slavic Village, etc. here.

Which demonstrates the very thing which you said makes them settler colonialists -- they lived separately and didn't integrate. So your definition doesn't work.

Zionism, however, was (is) quite different. It was (is) a well planned, funded, and orchestrated takeover of Palestine to convert it to an exclusive Jewish state. It was a settler colonial project from the get go.

I agree Zionism (Jewish nationalism) is different than immigration. But so is Arab Palestinian nationalism. Neither Jewish nationalism nor Arab Palestinian nationalism is settler colonialism. They are entirely different ideas. Why? Because nationalism is the assertion of an historical claim.

Jewish nationalism and Arab Palestinian nationalism are equivalent. The problem is that you support nationalism for one and pretend it is something else with the other and you can't give me a satisfactory definition which explains your position.

It appears arbitrary for you to reject nationalism for the Jewish people. This is especially true since you seem to support nationalism for nearly all people. (Though you also seem reject it for the First Nations people of the Americas.)

You misread the entire paragraph.

Zionism, however, was (is) quite different. It was (is) a well planned, funded, and orchestrated takeover of Palestine to convert it to an exclusive Jewish state. It was a settler colonial project from the get go.​

 

[Sixties Fan]

Not really. Immigration is normal. There are always people looking for a better life. These were individual choices. And, of course, these people would move into neighborhoods where they would feel comfortable with the locals. That is why there is a Little Italy, Chinatown, Slavic Village, etc. here.

Which demonstrates the very thing which you said makes them settler colonialists -- they lived separately and didn't integrate. So your definition doesn't work.

Zionism, however, was (is) quite different. It was (is) a well planned, funded, and orchestrated takeover of Palestine to convert it to an exclusive Jewish state. It was a settler colonial project from the get go.

I agree Zionism (Jewish nationalism) is different than immigration. But so is Arab Palestinian nationalism. Neither Jewish nationalism nor Arab Palestinian nationalism is settler colonialism. They are entirely different ideas. Why? Because nationalism is the assertion of an historical claim.

Jewish nationalism and Arab Palestinian nationalism are equivalent. The problem is that you support nationalism for one and pretend it is something else with the other and you can't give me a satisfactory definition which explains your position.

It appears arbitrary for you to reject nationalism for the Jewish people. This is especially true since you seem to support nationalism for nearly all people. (Though you also seem reject it for the First Nations people of the Americas.)

You misread the entire paragraph.

Zionism, however, was (is) quite different. It was (is) a well planned, funded, and orchestrated takeover of Palestine to convert it to an exclusive Jewish state. It was a settler colonial project from the get go.​

Israel is not an "exclusively" Jewish State. But it is a Jewish State, because it is the ancient homeland of the Jewish People, the same way as Kurdistan is the homeland of the Kurdish People.

Returning to one's ancestral home is NEVER colonialism, whichever way sick people want to make it into.

Muslim countries can call themselves Muslim countries.
Christian countries can call themselves Christian countries.
India can call itself a Hindu country.

Israel will call itself a Jewish Country, one likes any sovereign country being Jewish or not.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not really. Immigration is normal. There are always people looking for a better life. These were individual choices. And, of course, these people would move into neighborhoods where they would feel comfortable with the locals. That is why there is a Little Italy, Chinatown, Slavic Village, etc. here.

Which demonstrates the very thing which you said makes them settler colonialists -- they lived separately and didn't integrate. So your definition doesn't work.

Zionism, however, was (is) quite different. It was (is) a well planned, funded, and orchestrated takeover of Palestine to convert it to an exclusive Jewish state. It was a settler colonial project from the get go.

I agree Zionism (Jewish nationalism) is different than immigration. But so is Arab Palestinian nationalism. Neither Jewish nationalism nor Arab Palestinian nationalism is settler colonialism. They are entirely different ideas. Why? Because nationalism is the assertion of an historical claim.

Jewish nationalism and Arab Palestinian nationalism are equivalent. The problem is that you support nationalism for one and pretend it is something else with the other and you can't give me a satisfactory definition which explains your position.

It appears arbitrary for you to reject nationalism for the Jewish people. This is especially true since you seem to support nationalism for nearly all people. (Though you also seem reject it for the First Nations people of the Americas.)

You misread the entire paragraph.

Zionism, however, was (is) quite different. It was (is) a well planned, funded, and orchestrated takeover of Palestine to convert it to an exclusive Jewish state. It was a settler colonial project from the get go.​

Israel is not an "exclusively" Jewish State. But it is a Jewish State, because it is the ancient homeland of the Jewish People, the same way as Kurdistan is the homeland of the Kurdish People.

Returning to one's ancestral home is NEVER colonialism, whichever way sick people want to make it into.

Muslim countries can call themselves Muslim countries.
Christian countries can call themselves Christian countries.
India can call itself a Hindu country.

Israel will call itself a Jewish Country, one likes any sovereign country being Jewish or not.

This should be in the "Israel does not exist" thread, but...

Israel is a premeditated crime against the Palestinians.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Not really. Immigration is normal. There are always people looking for a better life. These were individual choices. And, of course, these people would move into neighborhoods where they would feel comfortable with the locals. That is why there is a Little Italy, Chinatown, Slavic Village, etc. here.

Which demonstrates the very thing which you said makes them settler colonialists -- they lived separately and didn't integrate. So your definition doesn't work.

Zionism, however, was (is) quite different. It was (is) a well planned, funded, and orchestrated takeover of Palestine to convert it to an exclusive Jewish state. It was a settler colonial project from the get go.

I agree Zionism (Jewish nationalism) is different than immigration. But so is Arab Palestinian nationalism. Neither Jewish nationalism nor Arab Palestinian nationalism is settler colonialism. They are entirely different ideas. Why? Because nationalism is the assertion of an historical claim.

Jewish nationalism and Arab Palestinian nationalism are equivalent. The problem is that you support nationalism for one and pretend it is something else with the other and you can't give me a satisfactory definition which explains your position.

It appears arbitrary for you to reject nationalism for the Jewish people. This is especially true since you seem to support nationalism for nearly all people. (Though you also seem reject it for the First Nations people of the Americas.)

You misread the entire paragraph.

Zionism, however, was (is) quite different. It was (is) a well planned, funded, and orchestrated takeover of Palestine to convert it to an exclusive Jewish state. It was a settler colonial project from the get go.​

Israel is not an "exclusively" Jewish State. But it is a Jewish State, because it is the ancient homeland of the Jewish People, the same way as Kurdistan is the homeland of the Kurdish People.

Returning to one's ancestral home is NEVER colonialism, whichever way sick people want to make it into.

Muslim countries can call themselves Muslim countries.
Christian countries can call themselves Christian countries.
India can call itself a Hindu country.

Israel will call itself a Jewish Country, one likes any sovereign country being Jewish or not.

This should be in the "Israel does not exist" thread, but...

Israel is a premeditated crime against the Palestinians.

Muslim, Jewish, Bahai, Druze and Beduine Palestinians.

ALL of them PALESTINIANS.

Your hatred is towards Jewish Palestinians only.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not really. Immigration is normal. There are always people looking for a better life. These were individual choices. And, of course, these people would move into neighborhoods where they would feel comfortable with the locals. That is why there is a Little Italy, Chinatown, Slavic Village, etc. here.

Which demonstrates the very thing which you said makes them settler colonialists -- they lived separately and didn't integrate. So your definition doesn't work.

Zionism, however, was (is) quite different. It was (is) a well planned, funded, and orchestrated takeover of Palestine to convert it to an exclusive Jewish state. It was a settler colonial project from the get go.

I agree Zionism (Jewish nationalism) is different than immigration. But so is Arab Palestinian nationalism. Neither Jewish nationalism nor Arab Palestinian nationalism is settler colonialism. They are entirely different ideas. Why? Because nationalism is the assertion of an historical claim.

Jewish nationalism and Arab Palestinian nationalism are equivalent. The problem is that you support nationalism for one and pretend it is something else with the other and you can't give me a satisfactory definition which explains your position.

It appears arbitrary for you to reject nationalism for the Jewish people. This is especially true since you seem to support nationalism for nearly all people. (Though you also seem reject it for the First Nations people of the Americas.)

You misread the entire paragraph.

Zionism, however, was (is) quite different. It was (is) a well planned, funded, and orchestrated takeover of Palestine to convert it to an exclusive Jewish state. It was a settler colonial project from the get go.​

Israel is not an "exclusively" Jewish State. But it is a Jewish State, because it is the ancient homeland of the Jewish People, the same way as Kurdistan is the homeland of the Kurdish People.

Returning to one's ancestral home is NEVER colonialism, whichever way sick people want to make it into.

Muslim countries can call themselves Muslim countries.
Christian countries can call themselves Christian countries.
India can call itself a Hindu country.

Israel will call itself a Jewish Country, one likes any sovereign country being Jewish or not.

This should be in the "Israel does not exist" thread, but...

Israel is a premeditated crime against the Palestinians.

Muslim, Jewish, Bahai, Druze and Beduine Palestinians.

ALL of them PALESTINIANS.

Your hatred is towards Jewish Palestinians only.

Not true. I have always supported the native Jews.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Which demonstrates the very thing which you said makes them settler colonialists -- they lived separately and didn't integrate. So your definition doesn't work.

I agree Zionism (Jewish nationalism) is different than immigration. But so is Arab Palestinian nationalism. Neither Jewish nationalism nor Arab Palestinian nationalism is settler colonialism. They are entirely different ideas. Why? Because nationalism is the assertion of an historical claim.

Jewish nationalism and Arab Palestinian nationalism are equivalent. The problem is that you support nationalism for one and pretend it is something else with the other and you can't give me a satisfactory definition which explains your position.

It appears arbitrary for you to reject nationalism for the Jewish people. This is especially true since you seem to support nationalism for nearly all people. (Though you also seem reject it for the First Nations people of the Americas.)

You misread the entire paragraph.

Zionism, however, was (is) quite different. It was (is) a well planned, funded, and orchestrated takeover of Palestine to convert it to an exclusive Jewish state. It was a settler colonial project from the get go.​

Israel is not an "exclusively" Jewish State. But it is a Jewish State, because it is the ancient homeland of the Jewish People, the same way as Kurdistan is the homeland of the Kurdish People.

Returning to one's ancestral home is NEVER colonialism, whichever way sick people want to make it into.

Muslim countries can call themselves Muslim countries.
Christian countries can call themselves Christian countries.
India can call itself a Hindu country.

Israel will call itself a Jewish Country, one likes any sovereign country being Jewish or not.

This should be in the "Israel does not exist" thread, but...

Israel is a premeditated crime against the Palestinians.

Muslim, Jewish, Bahai, Druze and Beduine Palestinians.

ALL of them PALESTINIANS.

Your hatred is towards Jewish Palestinians only.

Not true. I have always supported the native Jews.

And your native Jews are the ones who converted to Christianity or Islam, right?

 

[Shusha]

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You misread the entire paragraph.

Zionism, however, was (is) quite different. It was (is) a well planned, funded, and orchestrated takeover of Palestine to convert it to an exclusive Jewish state. It was a settler colonial project from the get go.​

No, I didn't misread the entire paragraph. I intentionally ignored your blatant attempt to demonize the Jewish people using emotional language, half-truths and blatant falsehoods.

Your claim is the Palestinian nationalism (also very well planned and funded, btw) is legitimate while Jewish nationalism is "settler colonialism". You have yet to offer a definition which provides a distinction between them.

 

[Shusha]

This should be in the "Israel does not exist" thread, but...

Israel is a premeditated crime against the Palestinians.

Nope. I think this is on the right thread. Viewing Jewish people as criminals for being present on their ancestral and historical homeland definitely fuels hate.

 

[montelatici]

This should be in the "Israel does not exist" thread, but...

Israel is a premeditated crime against the Palestinians.

Nope. I think this is on the right thread. Viewing Jewish people as criminals for being present on their ancestral and historical homeland definitely fuels hate.

Invading and colinizung a land, removing a large part of the native inhabitants and then oppressing their remaining numbers, is a crime. Europeans don't have a historical homeland in the Middle East. It would be like the European Rom claiming a part of India and colonizing and expelling the current inhabitants.

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[montelatici]

Just a fact.

 

[Shusha]

It would be like the European Rom claiming a part of India and colonizing and expelling the current inhabitants.

Or the Chilean Palestinians claiming Israel and colonizing and expelling the current inhabitants? Where is the difference?

 

[Shusha]

Invading and colinizung a land, removing a large part of the native inhabitants and then oppressing their remaining numbers, is a crime.

The Jewish people being present on their ancestral and historical homeland is not a crime. Its a ridiculous charge.

But if you want to insist that it is a crime -- then a crime has ALSO been committed against the Jewish people.

 

[rylah]

Which demonstrates the very thing which you said makes them settler colonialists -- they lived separately and didn't integrate. So your definition doesn't work.

I agree Zionism (Jewish nationalism) is different than immigration. But so is Arab Palestinian nationalism. Neither Jewish nationalism nor Arab Palestinian nationalism is settler colonialism. They are entirely different ideas. Why? Because nationalism is the assertion of an historical claim.

Jewish nationalism and Arab Palestinian nationalism are equivalent. The problem is that you support nationalism for one and pretend it is something else with the other and you can't give me a satisfactory definition which explains your position.

It appears arbitrary for you to reject nationalism for the Jewish people. This is especially true since you seem to support nationalism for nearly all people. (Though you also seem reject it for the First Nations people of the Americas.)

You misread the entire paragraph.

Zionism, however, was (is) quite different. It was (is) a well planned, funded, and orchestrated takeover of Palestine to convert it to an exclusive Jewish state. It was a settler colonial project from the get go.​

Israel is not an "exclusively" Jewish State. But it is a Jewish State, because it is the ancient homeland of the Jewish People, the same way as Kurdistan is the homeland of the Kurdish People.

Returning to one's ancestral home is NEVER colonialism, whichever way sick people want to make it into.

Muslim countries can call themselves Muslim countries.
Christian countries can call themselves Christian countries.
India can call itself a Hindu country.

Israel will call itself a Jewish Country, one likes any sovereign country being Jewish or not.

This should be in the "Israel does not exist" thread, but...

Israel is a premeditated crime against the Palestinians.

Muslim, Jewish, Bahai, Druze and Beduine Palestinians.

ALL of them PALESTINIANS.

Your hatred is towards Jewish Palestinians only.

Not true. I have always supported the native Jews.

Laughing at the massacres of Palestinian Jews by their Arab neighbors is "SUPPORT"??!

This is Doublespeak at its' best.